WEBVTT - 🎙️ Tom Mitchell & Tom Phillips: Thriving in Sports and Beyond 🏉 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.840 Hell, just welcome back to the Mason Cox Show. Plenty 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.760 plenty of stuff going on here. We've got two special guests, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.920 Tom Phillips and Tom Mitchell. Yes, we've got Tom Mitchell, 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.079 the twenty eighteen Brown Love Medalist who's now playing for 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.960 the Collingwood Football Club and absolutely smashing it at the moment. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.640 We've gone Tom Phillips, who are on that twenty eighteen 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.680 campaign I've been really really good friends with. They've got 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.560 different business businesses from super Boosts to ball Magnet's plenty 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.479 going on in this We also talk about how they 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.800 change passports in the US. There's plenty of off season 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.680 stories in this one, so check it out. It's gonna 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:41.800 be a good one listening. All right, ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.320 we'll get straight into it the two Tom's. This is 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.680 a big pot here, a lot of manpower in here, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.800 and there's a lot happening. And I think a lot 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.919 of people wouldn't really listen to podcasts, right They want 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.760 to hear the stories that no one tells them. They 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.640 want to hear the stores in the off season, you know, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.200 the stuff that happens outside of the media that everyone 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.560 gets into. And I know you two have traveled a 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.520 bit on a bit of traveling in my home country 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.440 in the US. There any great part of the world 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.840 top ten, Yeah, I reckon. We've been three times. Yeah, 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.520 probably go again in this off season. Any any good stories. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.920 I know a few stories, but I think the broader 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:12.880 public needs to know this. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.480 I mean, you know your your mate, and you know 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.240 through your brother and great family connections, our man James Bates, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:19.840 the Beta. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.760 Trent shout out to the Beta Trumpe, great man. That's 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.920 where we know. We stay at Bates's house. Amazing. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.640 He plays for the Austin Crows in the U s 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.600 a f L, which you're obviously an ambassador for. And 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.560 I think they've won like six flags in a row, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:31.440 Like they just don't lose. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.319 I haven't lot when was usime actually lost. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.200 They lost about three or four years ago. I think 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.600 my brother's been like MVP of the tournament, the national 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.800 tournament so many times over. And Yeah, it's an incredible, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.760 incredible place Austin, Texas. Just insane, like just the mans 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.760 of that goes on from a c L to you know, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.280 the F one and everything else. It's a place for 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:52.880 fun for all ages. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.560 Long hans As well, like we got to know Isaac 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:56.360 Pearson who. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.800 Was the part today. Yeah yeah, still going well, still 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.000 got the Aussie flag and on the back of the. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.280 Have you seen facilities like that before? Like it just 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.120 makes the AFL look like, yeah, not great is what 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.359 it makes the IFL look like. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.079 Like. University of Texas, for those listening, is a place 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.079 that is one of the top tier universities in America. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.760 They've got anything and everything. The money they make has 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.760 to go back into the facilities. They can't spend it 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.799 really on anything else, so they end up essentially beefing 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.359 their facilities up to be the best of the best. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.040 So they're the same and pretty much on par with 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.120 a lot of NFL facilities. You've got names above lockers, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.799 you've got you know, all these kind of things where 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.880 you sit inside the locker. I try to explain this 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.640 to a lot of people back home, is like, sorry, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.400 here is where you like sit in a chair inside 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.200 your locker. And then it's like you got drawers either side, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.960 you get the lights and everything else. They've got a 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.880 barber shop inside there. Like there's an arcade, an arcade, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.960 Like it's yeah, it's crazy, like everything whenever you go 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.240 to those places. Do you sit there and go like, oh, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.240 AFL has got a fair way to go. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.480 I feel like we don't need that stuff. I feel 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:59.720 like they don't even use the top of it. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:00.839 It's just looks. It looks good. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.880 I remember we did the facility tour, which we've done 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.080 a few times. We went onto the oval or the 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.040 field as they called it, and we were just having 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.320 a kick around with the NFL ball and our ball 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.200 and teaching a few of their players about AFL. And 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.400 they pointed up to a few of the boxes. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:16.440 In the stadium. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.600 What they said earlier. They were saying, you know, their 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.360 own twenty million bucks for per year. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.200 Yeah, so yeah, I think it's that, which is like, well, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.520 just eight or nine home games, there's ten boxers for 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.280 twelve million dollars. They had to pay twelve million US 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.640 to get the box for the season, So you're paying 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.240 over a million per game per game. Yeah, and there's 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.760 about ten boxes. That is some serious is easy? You 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:48.760 know big operators? Yeah, yeah, even you know famous cow 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:49.680 Let's talk about him. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.880 Bebo is the famous car that they tranquilized the four 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.040 games to make sure he's kind well, he sleeps the 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:55.440 whole game. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.080 He's the mascot and he they tranquilized because he sleeps 0:03:59.080 --> 0:03:59.760 the whole given. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.160 A little bit the horse trangel the fact check that. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.600 But yeah, anyway, the atmosphere in Austin is awesome. We 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.320 like to get to America most years. Obviously a bit 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.160 of business with what we're doing with ball magnets and 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.320 super Boost, and then obviously good to travel around. Last 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.440 year we actually went. Remember when you missed your flight 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.039 to the US, so I was actually one out for 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:19.960 the first part of the leg. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.119 Your esta didn't go through, so you got centered around 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:23.839 at the airport. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.159 Yeah, yeah, I don't know it was. It took a 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:28.520 while to go. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.600 It took a while to go through. It actually ended 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.440 up being ten minutes too late, so I could have 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.279 actually still that it was live and exclusive. I was 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.200 doing that and they Tom Brown, Tommy Brown, and they 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.960 turn it back, So yeah, I had to wait another 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:44.679 twenty four hours. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.919 A bit of silver lining. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.680 That's the night I met Dan mix Stay the first 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.080 night because I'm like, oh, I got to find something 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:55.719 to do something to the Basketball Lakers preseason game, and yeah, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.800 Dann Micstay was in the line buying tickets and he said, hey, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.200 come watch the game with us, and so I got 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:01.680 to know Dan. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.760 We hung out for a couple of nights and Flip 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.360 joined it on the trip, and off we went. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.320 At that point, did you know you were going to Collingwood? 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:08.960 It was just before the trade period. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.120 So we kind of, like, you know, the media had 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:16.120 an idea. Dan and I sort of had a look 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.800 at each other as if we both kind of knew, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.479 but we didn't really know. I said, is your trade 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.320 going through and he said, oh, mine's about to go 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.360 through tonight. I'm like, oh, well, we better we be 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.000 able to get dinner and things like that and celebrate. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.400 I was hopeful obviously that my trade was going to 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.760 go through maybe a week or so later. So yeah, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.680 we hung out for a couple of days until Flip 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.120 got the essay approved. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.400 Yeah. It was amazing, Yeah, because Dan was Dan was 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.600 kind of towted to come to Collingwood for a long time, right, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.560 like you were a bit of a last second, you know, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.919 and I guess as far as the trade goes, like, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.159 so you were sitting there looking at him, going, I 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.080 know where you're going, but you have no idea that 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.440 I'm about to be your future teammate. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:51.680 Yeah, pretty much. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.880 Mine was obviously probably not as well publicized like Dan. 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.360 I think from the halfway point of the year it 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.560 was known that he was going to go back to 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.200 Victoria and that Collingwood were chatting to him. There were 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.200 some rumors that I was going to Collingwood. But yeah, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.200 it was nothing as far down the line as his trade. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.120 So you're overseas, you're not in Australia. Is there a 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.200 medical that you have to do overseas or is there 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.520 some kind of doctor thing you would think that it 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.200 would have to go through before you kind of get 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.000 signed on, or what's like what's the process of getting traded? 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.880 While internationally, you. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.200 Know, I think in regards to your body, like I'd 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.320 missed a game in about four years, so that's probably 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.479 enough to know that you know you're going to be fine. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.440 You still do catch up with the medical team. So 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.479 I caught up with Fooksi the physio and Sammy Harker 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.560 the doctor. My trade went right down to the wire. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.279 I reckon there was two minutes left. We're in Miami 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.600 when I saw a mate of ours, lou Hedley, who 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.760 University of Miami. Yeah, it was like in the middle 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.159 of the night and Miami were like, well, I couldn't sleep, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.520 so I'm like I got to stay up, and then 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.320 we're all sort of sitting around the phone refresh, refresh, refresh. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.240 My manager actually said it was a good thing that 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.520 I was away and out of the country because he 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.360 didn't want, you know, my head noise to be you know, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:00.880 think about what the met he was saying at things, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.040 He's like, oh, I have a break. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.800 He's like, leaving with me, sort out what needs to 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.040 be sorted and yeah. And then it went through with 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.240 literally a minute ago. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.920 With me and Nanate just jumped on Nank. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.000 I saw us one of my mother mates, Locky Nank Krbis. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.080 They jumped on me and a celebration turned into a 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.760 bit of a wrestle, so me and Nate as boys 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.680 do on footy trips. But it was it was a 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.880 pretty cool moment. I had to have two of your 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.120 best mates that were there to share that with you. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.360 Its pretty cool too, was. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.880 His reaction, like, Tom, you were there on the day. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.040 Well, me and you've both been traded a few times. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.480 They listed you're still going, You're both still going. It's 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.000 it's a weird feeling when you're going from one place 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.560 that you've had, you know, a lot of memories at 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.680 and then going to another place. I couldn't imagine looking 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.320 at the perspective trying to get perspective around it. You 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.600 look at every other sport, the NBA, EPL, you know, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.000 the big global sports, when they trade people, when they 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.560 do that sort of stuff, like it's it's amazing, like 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.720 how it can be like a weird feeling for us. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.520 But least there's like a bit of a lead time 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.600 with like I reckon, you sort of know things are 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.120 going to happen, and then when it does happen, it's 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.600 shit okay. But then sometimes you know in these other 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.760 sports man like they can be traded within a few hours. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.320 Sometimes they find out through the media, the communications poor 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:17.440 and through the athletes. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.560 We've got to know through. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.360 Business like you hear stories and I'm like, wow, we've 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.200 actually got a pretty good here. Like the transparency and 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.120 you're involvement and saying where you want to go and 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.080 what you want to do is much superior in the 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.720 players favor Compared to American sport, it's very different. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.200 AFL is the guaranteed contract part of it is very 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.160 unique to probably any other sport around, Like you don't 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.280 just get moved around. And I'll never forgive. When I 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.520 was growing up, there's a guy that was playing for 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.480 the Dallas Mavericks who got traded while he was in 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.079 the game. They traded during the game, and he's sitting 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.160 on the bench to even realize, and he's there going 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.280 like you need to leave. He's like why, He's like, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.079 you've just been traded to whatever team and they've got 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.440 to go flow over there and you go to live there, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.640 and that's just that's your future. So it is. It 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.760 is quite different and like pretty cool in that sense. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.760 I think there's a bit of a cultural want for 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.000 players to stay the team for a long time, where 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.720 another like overseas markets and stuff, no one expects a 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.640 player to play for the same team their whole career, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:06.840 if that makes sense. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.280 Whole concept, they're out a one club player, which I 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.480 don't know, do as loyalty exist. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:13.600 I don't really know if it's changing. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.040 I think it's changing quite a bit now. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.080 Yeah, like clubs as soon as they're done with the player, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.400 you know that they won't have an issue. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.160 They'll do what's best for the advice. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.400 Mid season trade and that sort of stuff. Yeah, it'd 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.360 be very interesting to see what that goes with. But 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.480 I think on that if the mid season trade happens, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.800 you have to have both parties agreeing that that's okay. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.960 I think. I don't think like the af I can 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.120 go in and say, like you're going to move to 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.319 Queens that next week and you're out to find a 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.760 new place and everything else. If they do do that, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.280 then you have to have some kind of financial renumeration 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:40.680 for that. Like you can't just all of a sudden 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.400 say I see you later. There's not enough money in 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:43.600 AFL to make that okay. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.880 I think, yeah, yeah, it's a good point actually, the 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.319 calling with thing though, like I you know, it's a 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.880 real possibility in the days leading up to the final 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.199 day of the trade week, and obviously had to flip to 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.560 land On because he had a great career calling with himself. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.840 He played in the twenty eight and grand following being there. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.840 How many you just have the finally one hundred games 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:02.920 back when you start. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.440 Yeah, so he'd been there, and yeah, he talked me 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.439 through you know what the club's like. We faced on 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.719 brush one of the other videos as well we got 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:11.800 to brushed over the Farnes. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.240 It just spoke me through. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.080 You know how much of a great club it is 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.760 the fan base, like you know the experience of game 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.960 down the crowds, and you know it was a helpful 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:20.760 selling point as well. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.640 Yeah, and this is I want to ask this question, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.400 this passport question. Now there's a story within this time 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:27.880 frame of this all happening. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:29.480 Stuff that was happening. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.920 He is a bit of parent trap, you know, twin 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.920 swapping of passports. Is that's true? 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.760 Yeah, mistake a few things. We're going from Miami to Austin. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.480 For some reason, we had a separate flight about half 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.160 an hour apart. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.760 There was a tornado coming. It was a hurricane. Yeh, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.760 hurt up to its name. So yeah, that was I 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.439 went early and Tommy and Nank were coming after. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.280 But yeah, somehow my mistake. He grabbed my passport. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.840 I end up with this guy's passport. He's got mine. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.360 To mention, I couldn't check in my big luggage bag 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.959 in time, so I had to leave it at the airport. Anyway, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.760 jump over to Austin with a with a backpack and 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.439 it will carry on. So and then the bag ends 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.240 up being there for fifty two days until I. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.360 Go back fifty two days. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.920 Yeah, but I'll go back six weeks later in surprise. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:19.760 I kept it there for you. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.880 Yeah. Yeah, it was in was in the like oversize, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.360 not over so I it was just like storage I gave. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.240 You when you went back to pick your backage. What 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:29.640 are you doing? 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.400 Yeah, they'll go on, what are you? How are you 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:32.880 back here? 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:33.960 What? 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.320 What do you bother coming back? 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.640 I mean that's yeah, that story in itself, it's pretty rogue. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.440 Good kids and things to be retrieved. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.200 Yeah, yeah, that was worth going back from. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.680 Yeah, I mean it ended up being a bit of 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.160 a bit of a cost, but yeah. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.360 It was the past part of this. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.040 No, no, we we ended up working that out. I 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:54.680 don't know how. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.440 I don't know we said that work you know which 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.480 we are both both names Tom. We're traveling together. Somehow 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.800 my passport was mixed up. I was kind of like, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.000 I had my idea and stuff, and I was like, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.240 this is an honest mistake. I think they checked the 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.760 flight you were on. It's a bit of a. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.559 So I think I think I think I gave him 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.560 my passport. They didn't really look at it and go 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.040 they just like scanned it, let it in and I 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.400 just and they're like, yeah, just going back, and I 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:21.680 keep going, but I don't know how. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.800 He do you have my passport? Because I got yours? 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.720 And then I looked like, oh, I've got yours. But 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.559 then my guy who I went. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.000 Through the security, he looked at mine, yes, and he's 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:38.840 just going this is not. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.000 I might look, I can explain this. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.920 You're already you're sitting there at. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.280 The pretty quick. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.760 But yeah, obviously I had all my ideas and cars 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.280 and explained what happened. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.000 Did he put you in like the box? And I 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.640 anyone's ever been there in the airport where if you 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.800 get in trouble, you're putting this like a little box area. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.760 And it was pretty crazy, to be honest. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.440 It was more we just laughed about the fact that 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.079 obviously there was the missed international flight and then with 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.600 something our changed identities for about and now. But we 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.640 got to Austin, our favorite city in America, and I 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.240 never looked back. I had a great trip there, went 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.120 to Springs Spot. Yeah, but do you love button? 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:13.480 Yeah? 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.000 I love but love the button Springs. What do you 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.440 call the big meathouse? Places you can eat what are 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:23.560 they called barbecue barbecue smokehouses? Yea great smokehouse. Yeah, Franklins. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.520 If everyone's been to Franklin's out there, they know that's 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.520 one of the best in the world down there in Austin. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:34.800 We'll get we'll get We'll get into another one, the 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.240 Vegas to Phoenix trip. Now a bit of petrol, Tom, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.280 I have to tell this story. This is actually a 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.600 story I wasn't planning to bring up here. You know, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.440 exactly at one point in my life, I was going 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.760 down to the Peninsula run. I'm going to Tom's house, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.920 and Tom's I'm pretty much the twenty seventeen eighteen right, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.440 and you got a beautiful place down there, shout out 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.280 to the fam. And I get this call from Tom 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.320 like where are you at? He's GoF had a bit 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.800 of a bundle. Was like, what is it, Tom? What 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.320 could possibly issue? He's run out of petrol on the highway. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.040 This is like the main highway. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.520 For kremera road East Link or Peninsula Link. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.199 And he's called me up like a dog with his 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.920 tail bedween the layers, going can you can you come 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.120 bring me a kettle or a can with petrol? 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.360 Can go to the petrol station to the petrol s. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.200 I was already there, and he said, drive back to 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.920 get the jerry can filled up with you know, petrol, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.920 and then come find me on the side of the 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.480 highway somewhere then drop it off so I can fill 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.920 my car up. This is this describes you pretty well? 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah it does. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.480 And this is not the first time you've almost run 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.360 out of petrol apparently in Phoenix a lot. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.320 Yeah, yeah, we nearly before that. So we went. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.360 We went to Vegas because the Lakers were playing a 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.320 preseason game and we've got to know the head of security, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.440 Johnston Lakers quite well, he's a friend of ours. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:55.000 Johnny. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.200 Get out to Johnny and yeah, we we got to 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.920 the game. We just made it in time for the game. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.480 We paid a silly amount for seats because that. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.040 Was very last noticing until the third quarters. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.680 Yeah, because we didn't organized prior because we're hoping it 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:10.720 might be able to meet Lebron. 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.200 That was the sort of big ticket item. We were like, well, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.760 we can't, we can't want it. We can't pass this 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.960 peace that was there, right, So we got on. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.480 We met Joe, we met a few of the players, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.400 we got on the court in the stadium in Vegas 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.920 was cool. We didn't meet Lebron, which planning, but you 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.800 know it was a preseason game. You had to get 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.280 out of there. And yeah, so we were only in 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.880 Vegas for a night for the basketball and the next 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.200 day we went. We heard Phoenix was really cool, so 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.280 all it straudes of Phoenix and we thought it'd be 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:34.960 like four hours. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.920 I will kind of measuring on the map, We're like, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.360 it's roughly like kind of I don't know, like Melbourne. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.400 Usually and usually you don't sleep in Vegas coxy, but 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:42.880 we actually slept the full twelve hours. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.680 Yeah, we had great twelve hours in Vegas. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.440 You didn't do Vegas right then. We actually we wanted to. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.120 Do it our way. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.800 Smoothies and things correct, bodies of temple. Yeah, yeah, so 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.800 back back to the. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.080 How good are the internel? Just the thick shakes and 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:08.560 oh they got a big top, introduced me first level 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:09.640 and we also what was the car? 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:10.840 We had a Mustang that was cool. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.080 Yeah, that was you know, you can get really cool 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.600 cars and we had a Mustang which was cool. Anyway, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.800 we drove from Vegas to Phoenix the next day, thinking 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.640 you'd be about four hours and midway through yeah, Greaspice 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.760 there we underestimated the time. It actually ended up taking 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.040 eight hours. We're in the middle of the desert too long, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.160 and we were hitting low on the petrol bas again. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.640 We were in trouble and we pulled over to this 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.120 like parking sleep spot and we ran this guy. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.800 It was top. I had my pink bright pink short. 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:42.400 Yeah. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.760 The guy said, we're like, oh, where's the nearest petrol 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.560 station for you? Man, Like, do you know this place? 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:54.840 And he's like, oh exactly, I think, yeah, yeah, twenty 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.520 five miles away. I don't know what you're going to do. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.160 It's like, oh, yeah, we're I think we got like 0:16:58.600 --> 0:16:59.680 ten fifteen in US. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:00.280 Maybe. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.200 It's like, yeah, you boys are going to me. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.000 And Flip was obviously his name was being thrown around 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.719 in trade discussion as well. When he had he had 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.200 a phone call on with s c N on trade radio. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.879 So we also needed to find reception to get that. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.600 So we got to call in like an hour. We 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.000 need to like either not we need to get some petrol. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:20.920 Somehow. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.359 I found McDonald's in the middle of the desert in 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.000 Phoenix and Flips like standing up on this bench like 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.400 getting reception and then yeah we got to Phoenix. Well 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.360 we somehow made it without losing, like we're on we're 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.240 on empty. Yeah, and we would have been in a 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.800 massive strife. Oh god, somehow you know, the car just 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:39.399 keeps going. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.840 Yeah, I kept going. I saw one thing on Hamish 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.520 Nandy Apparently you can go one hundred k's over the 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.080 empty and you're still good. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.399 Well, we were doing like we I mean what the 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.760 story is told before, right, you know, I've pushed We've 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:53.320 all pushed that. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:59.040 Yeah, we'll let the car roll out like he used 0:17:59.040 --> 0:17:59.600 a bit of petrol. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.879 You let it all out. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.439 Wow, neutral for a bit. We had. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.359 We had a lot of time together discuss all sorts 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:07.880 of topics. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.159 Can we talk about the environment and the landscape, like 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:16.080 the topography and just like the desert and the mountainous area. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.200 It was just beautiful, like there's nowhere else, nowhere else 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.040 in the world. That's like, it's so unique. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.480 That whole you go through like that, you got the 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.600 Grand Canyon, you go out to Arches National Parking of 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.879 Bryce and you've got Zion. That whole area around Utah 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.199 is just beautiful. It's it's like you're there and you 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.399 really feel like you're in a desktop background, which is 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.480 like terrible to say because that's how we envision things 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.960 in our life. But like to sit there and experience 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.280 that is just something that's almost like spiritual around it. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.520 You know, it's a it's an amazing place for being 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.119 ones out there listening. That hasn't been definitely recommend it, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.359 but a lot of times, you know, athletes, you know, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.000 like yourself, myself, everyone like kind of goes over to 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.479 America to experience sport. Right, like what would be the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.920 number one thing either one of you would experience over 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:02.120 they were like bucket list I'm talking about. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.800 Let me just talk about the story around this ice 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.320 hockey rider. So six weeks, six weeks later when I 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.560 go and we go back over to New York do 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.400 some stuff with Paddy Mills with super boosts. I did 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.240 some filming that sort of stuff. But a few days 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.680 before that, we went a little bit earlier, flew in. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.840 This all happened in about twenty four hours, but I 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.960 flew from Melbourne to La Stop over two hours, LA 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:34.720 to JFK, JFK, straight to Madison Square Gardens, walked in 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:42.119 with two bags of luggage, sat in the crowd. I 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.840 was meeting a few other mates there they were sitting 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:49.480 in the opposite side. Watched the ice hockey. Awesome, awesome, fun, great, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.200 then had some dinner. After that, dropped the bags back 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.080 of the hotel, had a few drinks, and then the 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.840 next morning at ten to six am, took a flight 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.399 from New York to Miami to get my bag. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.320 Got my bag, freaking flowers. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.960 Two hour stopover back to New York. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.600 That afternoon, two hour stop over Miami's You went to 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.080 Miami just to pick up your bags and go back. Yeah, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.760 that's I don't know what was in that mark that 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.359 you so desperately, but it had to be worth something 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.320 that's worked right, always turn us. Yeah, it's a great 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.679 piece of the story. Yeah. Wow, there's a few pieces, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.480 isn't there. Yeah, so you do the ice hockey is 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:32.119 what you go for. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.320 No, it's not what I go for. But I think 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:36.719 I think au, I think a Super Bowl. We've got 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.760 all NBA final Yeah yeah. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.600 I mean I'm a huge basketball fan, as you know. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.679 NBA Finals would be awesome. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.879 Having said that, the Texas Longhorns home game was incredible. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.040 Like the entertainment side of things, and you know, just 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.640 packing one hundred thousand people into a stadium like that, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.119 like just such a cool feel to it. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.280 I don't know, it's it was so unique. Do you 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:00.400 think there's a way that AFL can do that better entertainment? Sure, 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:05.360 but starting to do it. So halftime shows super well, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.000 we're going to halftime shows though for the AFL Grand Final. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:10.960 I think even whenever we go up, you know, like 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:12.879 through the banner, we've got like fire and all that 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:14.439 kind of stuff. Now it's like a bit of entertainment 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.600 for everyone. You know, the lights go off, they shut 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.639 it down and kind of gets a bit of atmosphere 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.399 going with that. I think they've taken subtly little chunks 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.800 here and there in the progression and becomes something that's 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:24.560 quite spectacular. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.119 It's a mix of a few things I reckon, Like 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.040 it's it's budget and what resource you have. It's it's 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.360 culture and what sort of expected and you know, how 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:37.119 to improve that whole outlook. And then it's yeah, like 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.200 it's it's it's the offering around. Yeah, you just want 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.080 better creativity and energy around that stuff. But like I 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.680 think teams are getting more through their outside of the 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.720 football department stuff, you know, being able to then create 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.120 those sort of things for membership fans, that type of stuff, 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.240 more engagement, like it's I think it's improving, like it's 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.680 on it's and obviously a lot of the American stuff 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.760 is a really good, really good to look at that 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.480 and see that and go, okay, this is sort of 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.360 probably world leading when it comes to entertainment and commercialization 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.000 of these things. But yeah, I think it's budget and 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.720 market like. That's the US is probably a little bithead 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.040 and it's got a bigger population. There's there's a lot happening, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.080 but Ossies have there's a unique sort of feel too, 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.960 especially in AFL. Right, there's there's a unique following with 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.119 that too. And I know a lot of Americans, especially 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.680 you know you would have seen it, are really when 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.000 they first see the sport and they watch it and 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.040 they go what is this? Like I never knew this 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.440 is yesterday? 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.600 People believe it. It's really cool. They can't get the editor. 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.600 I think in terms of travel to America though, like 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.560 in terms of personal development, which is you know a 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.840 lot of our trips to America being based on performance 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.080 now we can improve as athletes, but also learning about 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.040 you know what we can do. So with Flipstom, the 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.680 Superboos and all the athletes that he's mett and who 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.040 have brought into Superverse for example, like obviously Patty Mills 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.919 and Joe Ingles some like, we try and connect with 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.240 you know, a few professional teams over there each season, 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.480 whether it be in the NBA or the college teams 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.600 and connect with athletes and learn. So that's the thing 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.000 I love about American sport is because you know, in 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.560 terms of sports science, Australia is quite advanced and we're 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:23.440 very good, but there's so many things you can still 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:25.360 learn from American sport and just the way they operate. 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.040 And I guess coming back to the athletes themselves is 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.200 a really good starting point. 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.240 With that point is where you make There so many 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.359 Austraian athletes that have gone over there, especially in the 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.360 football space. 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.440 Perne. 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.720 Yeah, so like obviously through Miami, through Austin with Isaac 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.199 and Lou that were there. You know, these individuals that 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.760 there is, there's heaps that there's heaps of guys now 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:48.840 over there that you know. 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.280 Even the NBA like more and more Aussies every season. 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.760 Yeah, Like so I mean that's yeah, that's that's a 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.000 good thing about that. It's good to see. And then 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.960 especially guys that have been on AFL lists as well, 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.040 that might have been delisted or you know, they get 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.760 to a stage and then they actually going Mitch McCarthy 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:12.359 over in Orlando. Everything happen to be Damon Greeves. You know, 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.560 he's going over like these sort of guys that have 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.439 finished up, had a short stint with their their frety 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.480 career here and then they go, I want to try 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:21.720 and do something over there. It's cool. 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.919 I've got asked this because I've known both of you, 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:28.000 two as AFL players, right, and very different pregame routines. 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:30.720 You've probably picked up a few things along the lines, 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.400 probably more Hitch than you. Tom. I hate to say, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.120 but Tom Mitchell is a three hours four hours, five 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.040 hours before a game maybe starting to get ready. Tom, 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:41.919 you just kind of rocked up and just was like, 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:43.000 let's do this thing. 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:44.440 Does he talk to you before the game? 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:49.440 Not time, but like he's so myself and him always 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.359 the last ones out of Like, so we go to 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.720 the facilities before we go to the MCG and we'll 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.159 do all our prop work and everything in that and 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:57.879 we're always like the last ones to kind of leave, 0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:59.959 even training sessions and stuff like, we're always the last one. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.240 We've always see him. You do these like the handball juggle, 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.480 and then you do also the jiu jitsu flips on. 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:07.960 I don't know how to describe it, to. 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.800 Be honest, I do things differently for sure. 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:11.280 I love it. 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.639 Yeah, absolutely cops and flat for Jordy to go. He 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.240 loves giving it to me. But that's just what I 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:19.040 need to do to get the best out of myself. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.000 That's what I like to do as well. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.280 You do you still you still sit out there at 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.000 the end of the training sessions. That's that's how the 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:24.520 best players. 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.679 Yeah, and try to kick goals. Didn't have this week, Unfortunately, 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:30.240 you don't have funny. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.600 As you mentioned, you look around the locker room before 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.920 a game, there's so many different guys doing different things. 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:37.680 Some guys need to be calm. Some guys go to 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:39.800 the choir room lock themselves in they can't be around 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:40.320 any noise. 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.240 Some guys are blasting chun's they love it. They're dancing. 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.639 Other guys are doing jiu jitsu, rolling on the floor to. 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.720 Tommy like would always like throughout the week, we'd just 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.720 be you know, training hard, doing all that sort of stuff, 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.399 but then taking the piss and a lot of banter 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.720 and you know in awful days. But then when it 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.399 gets to games, you just locks in. 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.080 Right. Is there any one piece of advice around prep 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.439 of yourself, your body may be for games, career, it 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.600 may be in that sense that you would want to 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:10.640 pass on to someone else. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.359 Yeah, I think it's got to be individualized, like as 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:19.480 much as it can for people. We've all got different upbringings, 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.640 different coaches and things that make us tick with our 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:26.200 personality and our character in the way that we sort 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.960 of go about our preparation and recovery and trying to 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:33.640 perform in a certain environment that's high pressured and there's 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.800 a lot of strain around that from different areas. So like, 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.760 if you're better at sort of keeping things out, not 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.560 getting too much of information or advice from certain people, 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:49.080 but then you'll take it from one person specifically with 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:50.520 you know, stuff you've got to do with your game 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.840 or whatever it is, then that might work for you. 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.520 If you're more jovial and you've got to feed off 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.359 everyone else's energy and get around everyone else you know, 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.760 we know guys are like that, some that just are 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.080 into their shell. Like I don't think it's a one 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:03.920 size fits all. 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.080 I think our club does really well. 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.600 Yeah, I think both during the week in terms of 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.600 guys know what they need to do, and we've got 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.199 a pretty experienced list, so that obviously helps. But I 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.080 think the club are very good at like you know, 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:16.679 you know what you need to do, like even in 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.679 our warm up, like you'll see, guys, it's not a 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:20.520 one size fits all. 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.119 I think that's just such an old school. 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.000 Approach, Like it's very individualized during the week, on game 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:26.919 day what you need to do. 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.640 Then we come together as a unit and it comes 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:29.119 all together. 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:30.920 It's so true. I think a lot of people think 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:32.920 that you have the two hours you play a game 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.080 every single week and that's all it happens, which people 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.280 don't even realize, Like there's probably maybe four to five 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.879 hours of prep work before you know that even happens 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.040 on the day, right, so like you know, you've got 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:43.920 all the stuff from sleep and diet and everything else 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:45.640 that goes into it. That's a twenty four to seven job. 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:47.600 And then like even in our club and you're a 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.879 part of this with Pola, like we have a ballerina 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.600 that essentially sets an individual program for each person to 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.879 prep yourself for training for game days in different muscles 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.520 you want to activate in different things that might take 0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.000 you an hour to go through just to be able 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.399 to train. Like it's there's so many little meticulous things 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.400 along the way that people don't see that they only 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.080 see the outcome of and then they only see this 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.880 small amount of time that you're actually out on the ground, 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.800 which is probably, you know, maybe a tenth of the 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.280 actual time you put in through the week. It's such 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.040 an interesting thing and it's been insane, but I want 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.159 to I want to ask this because I was just 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.000 thinking about Buddy Franklin, players met what might be the 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:21.919 last game right at the MCG and things like that, 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.000 like do you have any favorite memories on the MCG time? 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.160 I want to say, I'm hoping it's not the time 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:28.520 you got knocked out and kicked a goal at the 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.119 same time, because I was sitting there right next to you. 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.840 Whenever that happened. That happened scary times for me. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.000 You have somehow just laugh. 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.720 It's unconscious, so you ru an autopilot. 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.120 Autopilot Yeah, he's got to you know, he's got a 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.680 sixth sense for the goals. Yeah, game, how did you 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:43.280 get knocked out? 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:43.719 Chris Main? 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.600 Need me in the head? Yeah right? 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:52.680 Friendly fire Round eight, twenty eighteen Rember some like that 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.120 against you Long? Yeah, what's your best what's your best memory? 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:55.760 Outside of that? 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.760 Ah? Man? I think I remember like we had a 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.560 run similar to what you know watching the Pies now, 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.360 Like just a run where you just win those close 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:08.200 games and you're just you know, at twenty seventeen, I 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.000 remember we would been a lot of games, but we 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:14.440 would sort of lose by maybe one, two, three goals, 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.920 and we just the group almost hadn't connected and matured 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.320 and meshed as well as it could have. And then 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.480 it's almost like that we went through a stage where 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.360 we would then win those tight arm wrestled games the 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.680 following year and just knowing that, all right, we're onto 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.600 something here, and like it's it's probably similar to what 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.440 you guys are feeling now, where like there's just so 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.600 much confidence and energy running through the group where like 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.680 you just back yourself in and you know you'll win 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.960 those tight games against other teams across four quarters. So 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.360 like that Final Series twenty eight em was pretty it 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:51.080 was pretty cool. Yeah, those big, big crowds and that 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:51.719 sort of stuff. 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.680 I asked you a touch was it whenever you got 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.760 fifty four dispellers against us in twenty eighteen or so? 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.680 Obviously last night Pendles broke the all time disposal record 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.880 and that raw around the stadium was like wow, it 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.000 was like some like it was like a team he'd 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.840 won a final, a grand find like it was so loud. 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.120 I'm not sure whether it was because the roof and 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.080 was in closed, but that was loud. I remember that game. 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.360 It was it round one, say yeah, anyway, I remember 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.640 like it was late in the last quarter and the 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:26.240 crowd started clapping, and like later on I learned why 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.000 because because of that record. But during the game, I 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:30.520 was like, what are they clapping for? Like as someone 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.200 done something hilarious in the crowd. So I was actually 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.920 thinking about it, and then it made sense. I got 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.760 interviewed after the game, I think by Abby Home. Yeah actually, 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.480 and then it made more sense then, but I didn't 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.040 realize it at the time. No no idea, wow, no idea, 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:44.480 but just. 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.760 Getting balk Pill gone like yeah, his. 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.560 Preparation recovery, Like he just is so strict and he 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.240 just's so sure of what he does and it works, 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:55.840 you know, and he's been doing it. 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.120 Because Frus shredded it. 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.480 Also, like like you guys have obviously played with him longer. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.200 Than I have, other than known him for six months. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.400 But he's just like such a good guy, such a 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:11.160 good teammates, so selfless, like sometimes you know with superstar 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:11.760 players like that. 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.280 Yeah, I had no idea he was like that. 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.440 He's all just about the team, genuine excitement about making 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:16.920 others better. 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:18.479 I'm making the team better. He's all about that. 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.440 That's and it's like he's one of my favorite teammates 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.560 I've ever played with and known him for six months. 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.040 I think he's also a person that you know, he's 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.280 he's almost like a coach on the field, you know, 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.520 you talk about meetings. He knows every single rowle of 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.720 every single player within the team. Even if it's like 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.880 a key forward this position you'll probably never play, he 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.000 knows exactly where that person needs to be at all 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.160 times during the game. Like you'll be sitting there looking 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:39.680 at him. I'm like, I've been playing for nine years 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.280 and he's gone. You need to be five meters to 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.400 the left, and I'm like, shit, you're right, damn it, 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:48.840 it's just insane. But another thing, I'll say, Tom and Titch, 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.520 one of these things over eyed and you've been here 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.000 for six months, right, and it's I think about you know, 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.800 people are listening. Maybe something that can take out of 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.479 the podcast, right, Like you came into the club very quickly, 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:00.640 was able to joel with the team team and then 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.000 learn the game plan, be confident in speaking up and 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.200 meetings and things like that. Was there any nervousness going 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.160 into the club whenever you were traded? 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.520 So I made a conscious effort that as soon as 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.120 my trade went through, you know, I wasn't going to 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.120 start day one of pre season with everyone. I was 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.800 going to start in the off season and anytime there 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.280 was a group training session, I was going to be 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.000 there every single session. And I didn't miss one starting 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:27.600 from October to our official start of the pre season, 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:28.440 which was December one. 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:28.840 I think. 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.640 So, you know, you talk about great leadership, I think 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.920 it was Pendals actually who as soon as us knew 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.520 guys myself, Billy, Bobby, Dan Leggy. As soon as we 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.719 got traded, Penels added us into the team players WhatsApp 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.520 group made us feel welcome, and then guys were inviting 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:47.280 us to sessions and come here and you know, do 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.120 way to come here and let's have a kick. And 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.720 so by the time the official pre season started, I 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.000 feel like I knew everyone. I was so comfortable already, 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.760 such a great group of guys. We worked really hard 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.680 and then we got to work officially with the staff 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:05.840 on day one. But I guess that's where the confidence 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.600 and the comfort came from, because I felt like I 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:10.800 knew everyone and they gave me the confidence to do that. 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.600 I want to ask you a question because when we 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.880 interviewed you for Yeah, I was going to say, like, 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.280 you've known Fly for you know, since you sort of 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.280 got there a time. How have you seen his development? 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.400 And you know, I guess maturity from development sort of 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.680 coach towards head coach and like his sort of journey 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.360 through Yeah, I guess the. 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.239 Existence of it's because we've all had the experience, right, 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.480 you both played at Hawthorne. Remember he was the development 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.880 coach there and Fly as a person that's probably been 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.360 development coach for what fifteen years of his career or 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.160 something like that. Sorry, assistant coach up but he was 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.200 development coach for that for a long long time. And 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.400 you think of like our list as we do have 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.080 some of the experienced guys on the top end, right, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.880 they've been there for a while, and then we've got 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.280 a lot of young guys on the list that are 0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.120 quite youthful and like to have someone who's been a 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.360 development coach who's been interacting with this that age group 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.600 you know of people like changing and trying to get 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.880 into the AFL system and stuff like that, Like it's 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.399 probably given him the best experience possible to be able 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.680 to handle the personal relationships that he has to deal 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.680 with within our club. But for me, like I've known 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.839 him for a long time obviously, and he's it's kind 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.520 of weird now, like because he's always been a friend 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.359 of mine, but now for him to be a head coach, 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.920 like you kind of have that it's silly, like like 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.799 nervousness around him, but like you know that he's you know, 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.799 he's top level now, like and he's he is where 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.560 the buck stops and like whenever he says something, that's 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.719 how it goes. And he has to be a bit 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.920 more I guess direct sometimes being a head coach, and 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.759 he's really good with being able to people manage. I 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:42.239 think is like one of the hardest things as a 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.480 head coach. You have to obviously tell someone either they're 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.799 playing every single week or they're not playing every week, 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.440 and that's essentially telling someone and like cutting their dreams 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.520 on a weekly basis, knowing you're probably gonna have to 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.600 do that to at least one person every week, and 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.319 for all the head coaches out there, it's a it's 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:57.880 a terrible job, like you never want to be the 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.200 person has to break that news to anyone. And like, well, 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.520 you've experienced it probably a lot more than you Titch 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.600 as far as like getting dropped, and it's really tough 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.399 pill to swallow, like it really is, and like Craig 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.479 is one of those people. I've experienced it the last 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.000 year whenever I was going through it, when I got 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.280 dropped and things like that, and the way you handled 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.120 it was like fantastic and it was able to, you know, 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.600 give me that confidence going forward that I knew I 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.120 would be able to get that short time there to 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.960 hopefully kind of launch pad back into it. But I 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.880 think over the years, knowing Craig it's and you can 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.319 kind of speak to this titch a bit too. It's 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.920 like he doesn't feel like someone you can't go and 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.680 talk to. Like his door's always open. He's always there 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.200 to have a chat and just see how things are. 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.480 And he like cracks a joke. He's not too serious, 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.960 but knows when to be serious. Like there's times where 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.080 he can sit there and say, you know what, we're 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.520 not training at the higher standard. We need to turn 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.960 things around like now, And you know, that kind of 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.520 gets a bit more I guess it's a bit more 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.160 weight to it whenever he says it, because he doesn't 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.480 say it all the time. He's usually quite positive and 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.319 everything that goes on. So whenever he says something like 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.440 gets your shit to we need to actually train harder 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.719 an hour, everyone goes, okay, shit, like we are training 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.200 pretty terrib work. Let's turn this around. So, yeah, he's 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.640 a phenomenal human, like an amazing, amazing person that's growth 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.440 to be able to have this experience with them that 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.480 we're having now. But yeah, it's just been it's been awesome. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.040 Like it's such a back to the people management thing. 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.080 I think that's just like his one would. 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.920 He's very Yeah, he's such a phenomenal person first and 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:25.759 foremost and coach. 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:27.720 You know, it speaks for itself. 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.640 I agree spot on, you know, the way he just 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.480 values every single person in the organization and he leads 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.719 from the front in terms of setting the example. And 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.520 I think that's why everyone follows him. And you know, 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.520 this culture that's been created. 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.280 Is quite amazing. 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.359 But I think, you know, from what I can gather, 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.759 having done that long apprenticeship and done you know, development 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.440 and VFL, he's been in pretty much every everyone's shoes, 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.680 you know, like he's been there with the guys you 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.319 know who are you know, forty to forty five on 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.439 the list, and he speaks up in meetings and makes 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.360 them feel and talks about the journey of VFL. And 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.600 so we're all in this collective buying together. It's not 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.480 all about the guys that are just playing on game date. 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.960 It's about the club. He brings the staff along, everyone's involved. 0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.120 I was going to say, like you you brought up 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.279 challenges and hardships and like at the elite level, like 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:20.960 there's so many individual circumstances with thee the top player, 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.200 you're in the bottom five, whatever, it is like, you know, 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:29.279 everyone knows Tommy for you or yourself myself for a 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.560 little stint with like good footy that you play right, 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.640 but then they don't see a lot of the hardship 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.960 and when you get dropped and like this stint that 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.000 you play, you know and the reserves level of VFL, 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.640 like you had a fair bit of that. Well, tell 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:47.239 us you know some of the I guess things that 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.959 you learned, coaches that you had and you're taking you. 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.879 Were dominating the need for getting like fifty touches a game, 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:54.759 but couldn't get a game the seniors and then that 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.560 team goes and wins the premiership and you're sitting there 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.920 on the sidelines watching it like that's there, Like how 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.640 you how do you mentally deal with that? 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:02.040 That's tough? 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.200 Like you, everyone faces adversity and they at some point, 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:06.480 whether it's in life, friend footy. 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:08.600 That was really tough. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.120 Like I felt like almost helpless, Like I knew I 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.600 was playing really good footy, and I. 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:13.799 Was just. 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.920 You're still young. You're still right, You're young. You just 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.799 come into it when you get to outed twenty twenty 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.080 eleven eleven, yeah. 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:23.839 Yeah, so twenty tits my first year and. 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.520 Already playing that level of footy though, right, like, yeah, 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.120 you're not. You're trying to break in the sceniors and 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.120 play and you're doing you know, above and beyond in 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.879 the in the in the second still as a eight 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.080 nineteen twenty year old sort of thing, like. 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.719 What's the messaging from the coach at that point and 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:40.560 just saying like, you know, because like there is an 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.080 understanding from a coach's side of you know, you trust 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:44.680 certain players that have been there for a long time, 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.480 and it's tough to bring in a person whenever you're 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.400 making a finals run that's in their first couple of years. 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.719 Whenever you've got someone there that's been there for five, six, seven, eight, 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:53.640 nine years that you trust and you know is going 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.440 to be able to do the job. It's it's not 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.120 ideal for either scenario or either side of the coin, 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.000 Like what's what is the feedback the coach gives you 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:04.000 whenever you're playing well but you're not getting I guess 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.919 the opportunity in the AFL level if. 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.360 I cast my memory, but it was, Yeah, it was 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.160 tough time. It was more around. 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.319 Team balance at the time, like we had a deep 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.400 midfield yeah, but it was it was you know, the 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.120 messaging was you're doing great, just wait for your chance. 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.640 So I don't know, it's kind of a tough thing. 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.560 Frustrate You're like, I just got to persist and keep going. 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.680 I guess it makes you really hungry and motivated. And 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.640 when I eventually did crack in, it was, Yeah, I 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.879 was just just so motivated to to start and grow 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.319 a career. So but yeah, back to the adversity thing 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.080 like happens with everyone. Like you know, you know, had 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.880 a broken leg as well, and that was in my prime, 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:42.360 like after my best footing. 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.320 So it comes at all different stages. 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.919 You guys have experienced it, you know, Flip you've played 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.279 in the Grand Final and and done all sorts of 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:49.759 things as well. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.279 And Cox you've you know, come from American you know, 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:53.040 probably a bigger role. 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.080 So and one thing with with what you're doing in 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.359 the Mason Cox Show. And you know obviously the ball 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.880 Manus podcast. Like the last time we said on a 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:05.880 podcast was about four years ago now, and that was 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:07.960 called The Board. That was the Bordroom podcast. So I 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:09.960 was along with lot, Yeah, I was doing that with 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.680 a few mates out at Collingwood We did that for 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:18.399 about two years, about fifty episodes, and Mason jumped on Yeah, yeah, 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.319 every two or three weeks. Yeah, so it's good to 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.560 see this taken off as well. 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.440 Yeah, it's great to see everyone doing everything. I want 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.040 to say Ball Magnets. A lot of people think it's 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.480 just football. You're also getting into the basketball side of things, correct. 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:33.760 Correct, Yeah, footy and basketball. 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.120 So obviously Josh Kiddy probably Australia's best basketball player at 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.640 the moment at just twenty years of age. He runs 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.200 everything in the basketball aspect of Ball Magnets, so that's 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:48.440 his category. And yeah, we've just filmed a number of 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.080 his sessions at Hoop City has been obviously home for 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.880 the off season, so there'll be a gym sessions at 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:55.719 least by Josh Giddy. How we trained and prepares for 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:59.520 the NBA skills sessions ball handling, shooting, passing. So for 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.759 any athlete out there, no matter what level you're at, 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.080 you know there's there's druels for everyone beginning, intermediate and elite, 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.759 and then no one better learn from than Josh, the 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:10.960 best up and comer in the country. 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:12.400 He's an absolute freak. 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:17.680 He's a freak. Second he's been like Lebron James records. 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.320 You know. The really bad thing though, is Josh Kiddy 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.920 at the moment. It's it's sad that I picture this 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.360 is whenever Lebron broke the scoring record, right, Josh Kitty 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.360 has just missed out on the photo, the iconic photo 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:44.440 Lebron taking the jumper is almost like. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.520 Last You want to be the guy that give Pandles 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.919 that ye kicked it to I think he kicked his eyes. 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.239 You should should have run around for him. 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.880 Yeah, but it's great to see different athletes doing different 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.800 things and be able to to extend their experiences passed 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.879 just a football career, to help them build something that's 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.520 bigger than just what they've done on the football field. 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.520 So it's been absolutely incredible. We'll wrap this up everyone, 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.719 Thank you so much for listening. It's been great having 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:09.920 all three of us get on this podcast together and 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.400 be able to riff a bit of off season stories 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.560 and a few kind of business ideas that we're doing. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.920 But yeah, hopefully everyone got something out of this and 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:18.680 we'll hear from you soon.