1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get hated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: That is so fat thank you. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a public service announcement for anyone 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: that was planning to get us a gift or whatnot. 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: But it's our birthday in thirteen days, so on March 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: the fourteenth, and we're turning thirty two. It's really sprung up. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like my scary age at the moment 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: is thirty three. Oh I thought it'd be thirty two. 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: That's really serious. I feel like thirty two. One of 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: our friends growing up said thirty two was her optimal 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: year that she was looking forward to, So I don't know. 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: For some reason, thirty two still sounds a bit young 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: to me. Once we start verging into mid thirties, that's 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: when I start freaking out a little bit. It's so 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: funny because I remember when our friend was saying that 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: she really wanted to be thirty two, and this was 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: when we were like twelve. I had this really like 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: image in my head of this sort of homemaker woman 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: wearing like a really colorful like pattern dress. Could not 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: be further from the track. I remember saying, oh, why 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: would she want to be thirty two? That's a terrible 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: age to be. But this is I think you're giving 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: everybody an insight into what I have to put up 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: with working with your Sophie, because I'm like, it's a 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: privilege to be thirty two. It's not even all so 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: I look at it like the people on Friends, and 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: they were, you know, in their thirties and they didn't 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: have their life together and everything wasn't perfect for them. 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: But it's funny. I try and get really philosophical when 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm actually approaching the birth I'm like, oh, it's a 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: privilege to age, you know. When you read all those quotes, 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm it's fantastic, I'm getting older. But then 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't really believe, Oh my god, Sophie's the most 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: annoying person when at birthday comes around. Before our thirties, 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: she was in like the feetal position crying because she was, 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 1: you know, not in her twenties anymore. Oh my gosh, 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: what's hard. My boyfriend's younger than me, so I'm always 42 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: feeling old because of that. Oh, We'll just get an 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: older boyfriend. Then I feel young all the time. I 44 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: was gonna say, though, it is really hard to come 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: up with ideas for stuff to do for a thirty 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: second birthday. Yeah, especially with COVID. I mean last year, 47 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: our birthday was literally the last event for the year 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: because it was, as we said, March fourteenth, and then 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: I think it was two days after I was rung 50 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: up and told that I didn't have to go back 51 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: into the office, which then turned into me being made redundant. 52 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: But anyway, so I feel like we've got to do something, 53 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: but we're at a struggle to know what to do. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: We really want people's input because we want to do 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: something fun, like an activity during the day, and we've 56 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: chucked around, you know, going to bounce or we even through. 57 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: This is probably a really random one, and it's probably 58 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: an indication maybe we need to have kids soon. Is 59 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: I really wanted to go to the Plaster Funhouse and 60 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: just paint something. You know what. The best part is, 61 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: I actually googled the Plaster Funhouse and they have a 62 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: birthday package and it was like, you know, it's eleven 63 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: dollars per person and you get your own little packet 64 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: of chips and cake, and I'm like, can you imagine 65 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: if we come in? Well, for those people might not 66 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: know what the Plasta Funhouse is, it's basically where you 67 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: choose out a plaster item, so it might be a 68 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: penguin or batman or whatever, and you can paint them. 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: I feel very sorry for anyone that doesn't actually know 70 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: what the Plasta fun House was that needed that explanation, 71 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: because it seems that your childhood wasn't that fun? Can 72 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: we can? We would love those and sophisticated suggestions so 73 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: about what that should be doing. They don't have to 74 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: be sophisticated. I just want to do something fun. We 75 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: did throw around paint balling, but I feel like the 76 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: winging that will go on if any of us are 77 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: hit and bruised by it. I bruise very easily, so 78 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good option. And I also 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: can't stand at Zobey's business partner to listen to the 80 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: winging that warns you after this kind of thing. Well, 81 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: I've got to call you out, Zobe. When I got 82 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: here this afternoon, you were like, oh, mate, back is 83 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: so sore, so I feel like you are officially old. Well, 84 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: my back is sore because I have literally changed my 85 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: sleeping position to accommodate for my dog Archie lying on 86 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: my feet. I came more more about him having a 87 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: beautiful night's sleep than me. Don't talk to me about 88 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: dog sleeping on your bed. My dog's thirty five kilos 89 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: and he a Golden Retriever and he sleeps on my bed. 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: Shoot me for wanting to dream, Shoot me for giving 91 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: the kids something to aspire do. I'm bloody resigning. I'm 92 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: so sick of it. Shove it up your ass, Margaret. 93 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm resigning everyone. I'm out of here. That's it. 94 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: I'm gone. 95 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: There's my letter of resignation, and there's some flowers to 96 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: my dead dog. Why don't you stick those that your 97 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: fat ass? Fuck off everyone, I'm gone. 98 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: In the past six months, there's been an influx of 99 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: anonymous hate pages directed solely at influencers. Sarah's Day, the 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: worst of the offenders, is an Instagram account called Saltie's Day, 101 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: which is attracted over eight thousand followers and is allegedly 102 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: run by a school teacher who used to be a 103 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: fan of the YouTuber. Last week, the page revealed private 104 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: details about Sarah's upcoming wedding, including the time, date and location. 105 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: As of today, the page has been removed from Instagram now. 106 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: So to kick us off for those who haven't come 107 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a across the account, what is Salty's Day, Well, it's 108 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: really a byproduct of Tattle Lives. Salty's Day used to 109 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: be a user on the platform, which is an influencer 110 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: based forum, and she has now started this page to 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: concentrate really on her hatred towards Sarah's Day. And she 112 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: also makes a point that she's holding Sarah's Day to 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: account as well for all of the problematic behaviors she's 114 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: done in the past. What I find most bizarre about 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: this account is it seems that she actually was a 116 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: super fan of Sarah's Day and there's been something that's 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: happened that's obviously turned her to the complete opposite side. 118 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: And like a lot of other anonymous pages, it takes 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: on a gossip girl persona. So in the bio it 120 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: says you're one and only source into the scandalous lives 121 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: of Crinulla's Elite Exo Exo. Well, in terms of what 122 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Salty's Day actually posts, I feel like there's such a 123 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: big discrepancy between content that actually holds Sarah to an 124 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: account that is actually good and then the content that 125 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: has just flat out bullying. And one of those important 126 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: things most recently that she posted was dms that she 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: had received from people who previously followed Sarah's diet. And 128 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: these are people who were once super fans of Sarah's 129 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 1: Day and idolized Sarah so much that they would copy 130 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: wat she ate on YouTube. And these were really heartbreaking 131 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: to read because they were tales of girls who had 132 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: spiraled into eating disorders, and they have blamed Sarah and 133 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: said that she had triggered these eating disorders, and of 134 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: course that is something that is very important to bring 135 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: to the public's attention. And I think what was most 136 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: disappointing about this is that these people said that they 137 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: had sent the messages to Sarah and she had blocked them. 138 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I do feel like when I read these messages, though, 139 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: that there is a bigger picture look that we need 140 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: to take. While it's really easy to blame one influencer, 141 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the influencer that you've watched that might have triggered this 142 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of behavior. I feel like it is really important 143 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: to look at the industry as a whole and how 144 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: YouTube allows this type of content still on their platform, 145 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: Like why are there no regulations around diet culture and 146 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: what you shared? Well, let's get back to what other 147 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: sort of content Salti's day is sharing, because, as you said, 148 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the important messages she's 149 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: putting out there are just being watered down by some 150 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: of the immature, hateful content that she is sharing. So 151 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: one thing she likes to share a lot about is 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: she constantly accuses Sarah of being a bad mother and 153 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: exploiting her son Fox by having her campaigns. She also 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: seems obsessed with trying to prove that Sarah is lying 155 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: about her son watching television. My gosh, I saw this. 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: There was a whole highlight on the page about this, 157 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, this is so ridiculous, Like basically, 158 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: where mum shaming Sarah for allowing her child to watch television, 159 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Like there would be so many parents out there that 160 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: do the exact same thing. She also constantly comments on 161 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: the alleged procedures that Sarah has had done to her face. 162 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: She accuses her of having botox and lip injections. She 163 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: calls out her use of plastic, the way she poses 164 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: her leg She's also accused her of being a cult leader. 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: It's just so many different things. She's also pulls constantly 166 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: pulls apart her products, saying that her recipes look like vomit. 167 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: The list just goes on. I did see one where 168 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: she was pulling apart Sarah's deodorant and saying it wasn't 169 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: a natural deodoran enlisting all the reasons why. And it 170 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: seems like this page has even gone as far as 171 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, banding together with all off friends from tatle 172 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: Life to send sponsors requests not to work with Sarah 173 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: and to kind of spread the word against her. It's 174 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: like this sort of propaganda that they're trying to spread. Well, 175 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: what I find so juvenile is the way that they 176 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: will share screenshots of Sarah's most recent YouTube videos and 177 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: they'll basically just sit there together and watch it and 178 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: tear every single thing she says apart. It's like, if 179 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: you hate someone that much, surely consuming that much content 180 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: about their lives is putting you in a bad mental state. Yeah, 181 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: And I think the fact that the page is dedicated 182 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to one person really makes it feel like it's bullying. 183 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken a lot about Celeb's spellcheck. There's 184 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: also the Aussie Influencer Opinions page, and of course they're 185 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of deconstructing influencer culture and talk and holding influences 186 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: to account. However, it's directed at everyone. This is just 187 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: directed all on one person, and this person is obviously 188 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: trying to drive engagement to her page, so she is 189 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: having to constantly put up Instagram stories picking on things 190 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: that Sarah does. And I feel like no good comes 191 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: from constantly looking at someone with a negative light. Like 192 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: if you're going to watch a video and you're already 193 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: thinking the worst of them, of course that's what you're 194 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: gonna get from the video. You're going to twist and 195 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: turn what people say, so it benefits the hateful messages 196 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: that you're trying to put out. And I just think 197 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: she needs to think about a more meaningful way to 198 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: air her legitimate concerns about her because this definitely isn't it. 199 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: And I feel like she really crossed the line this 200 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: week when she shared a screenshot of where Sarah Stay 201 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: and Kurt's wedding is going to be, the date, the location, 202 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: the time. She basically put that out to a community 203 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: of people who actively dislike her, and it puts her 204 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: family and son in a really dangerous situation. I thought 205 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: that was really scary, and when I saw the post, 206 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: I felt very unsettled because, as he said, these people 207 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: actively dislike Sarah, so who knows what they could be doing. 208 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: They could be planning. The thing is it seems like 209 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: Tattle Life. Well, the group on Tattle Life and Salty's 210 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: Day were spurred on by the fact that Sarah released 211 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: a vlog about her wedding which is coming up, and 212 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: she visited Byron and she had planned to hold the 213 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: wedding at Elements. However, at the end of her vlog, 214 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: she announced that she actually is going to announce something 215 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: that changes everything, which is clearly the location. The location 216 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: has changed. So instead of allowing Sarah to share that 217 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: information on her vlog, these people thought, oh no, we're 218 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: going to ruin her kind of click baity moment and 219 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: we're going to find out where the location is. So 220 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: they've googled her name and it's come up with this 221 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: wedding invite, so it seems like the information was very 222 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: easy to find, which is I know it brings up 223 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: a lot of question marks about Sarah's safety and the 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: need for her to actually start taking it seriously. They 225 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: seem to use this as an excuse just because they 226 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: could find on Google. It doesn't mean they have the 227 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: right to then share it to their community. No, definitely not. 228 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: And they were also urging people to enter fake guest 229 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: names into the accounts to screw around with their plans. 230 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: I haven't been a bride before, but I could imagine 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: it's an incredibly stressful time and with people doing these 232 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: sort of things, it just ruins the lead up to 233 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: your big day. Yeah, exactly. And the issue is that 234 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't think the person running this account actually realizes 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: how damaging the account is to Sarah's mental health. This 236 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: person reached out to us in our DMS and was 237 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: talking to us the account owner, and they couldn't actually 238 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: comprehend that them sharing Sarah's invite could put her at risk. So, 239 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: as told the owner of the page, I said, don't 240 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: you realize Sarah's day would get a number of death 241 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: threats per day? She could be scared for her life 242 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: at her own wedding, and they responded and said, oh no, 243 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: she wouldn't. No one ever dies. You've made a hate 244 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: page for it. What I found most hypocritical was in 245 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: the messages that we received from Salti's Day is the 246 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: fact that she seemed concerned by the notion that her 247 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: identity might be revealed. So apparently it seems like someone 248 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: told her that there was a discussion happening in our 249 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: community page about Salty's Day, and she was like, oh 250 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: my gosh, I want you to know that that person 251 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: that everyone thinks it isn't her. And I've actually taken 252 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: over the account and all this sort of stuff. And 253 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: it's like these people think they're untouchable because they run 254 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: an anonymous account. However, the room has it that she's 255 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: a school teacher. I mean, can you imagine how much 256 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: this would ruin this person's career, And she put her 257 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: own image during a live Instagram. She put her own 258 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: face up and is now saying, oh no, no, that 259 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: wasn't me, that was somebody else. I just find it 260 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: so troubling that the person that runs this bullying account 261 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: potentially as a school teacher like I would be so 262 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: upset if my child was in this woman or this 263 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: man's class. I just don't understand, because when you look 264 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: at it objectively and remove the fact that it is 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Sarah's day, and remove whatever people's feelings are towards her, 266 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: what was the point of sharing her private details? What 267 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: did it achieve apart from violating her privacy? I don't 268 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: quite understand. I feel like they're focused, like as Amy 269 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: said that this person that runs the account couldn't comprehend 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: that this was actually a total breach of Sarah's privacy. 271 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: For them, I think it was all about the joy 272 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: of ruining Sarah's next YouTube video, and they didn't actually 273 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: think of the over arching consequences. Well, what I found 274 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: so interesting is that Sarah and her family, they have 275 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: remained pretty tight lipped about the increasing hate she's been receiving. 276 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: But that wasn't until last week when Sarah's sister Talia 277 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: spoke on her Instagram story about the ongoing hate directed 278 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: at her sister, and she entitled her inst story cyberbulling 279 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: is not a joke. Let's have a listen to some 280 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: of what she said. 281 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: My sister Sarah has been getting a lot of hate lately, 282 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: and it's really starting to affect her, and it's starting 283 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: to affect my family. I am here now on my 284 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: own will speaking about this because I want to, because 285 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: I love my sister and I want to protect her 286 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: and I want my family. Certain things that have been 287 00:13:53,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: said lately have been ridiculous, Like there are horror threats 288 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: to not only Sarah, but to my family and to 289 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: the people close to us, and that's just not okay. 290 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: Would these things to us in person? Would you say 291 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: these things to Sarah in person? I highly doubt it, 292 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: because you're too scared. So why do you think it's 293 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: okay to hide behind your screens and do it. I 294 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: think sometimes people forget that people who have maybe a 295 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: greater following or who are a little bit more well 296 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: known in the world are human, Like they have real 297 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: emotions and they have real feelings as well lack Sometimes 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: people forget and they think it's okay that they can 299 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: target them or bully them. But it's not okay, Like 300 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: I can't believe this is even a conversation we still 301 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: have to have. 302 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: I found this really interesting and because it was an actual, 303 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: real insight into Sarah and her family's life, because we've 304 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: got to remember what Sarah puts out on Instagram and 305 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: YouTube is a highlight reel of her life. She obviously 306 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: focuses on wanting to be very bubbly and happy in 307 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: the videos, But how could you not be unhappy and 308 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: feel sad when people are going out of their way 309 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: to hate on you in such a public forum. Well, 310 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: I feel like they also haven't commented on it because 311 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: they haven't wanted to give these people any oxygen and 312 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: the satisfaction of talking about them. And I do think 313 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: it is evident in her YouTube videos, the fact that 314 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: there aren't as many as they used to be, that 315 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: she is second guessing what she want to share it 316 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: and second guessing herself. Well. Sarah went on to her 317 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: own Instagram story a day later after tylieav released her video, 318 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: and she actually addressed the issues and she explained, how, 319 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: as you said, Sophie, she hasn't wanted to acknowledge these 320 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: pages because she doesn't want to give them the attention 321 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: when she could be giving positive, fancy attention. So let's 322 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: have a listen to what she said. 323 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: Look, I've filmed this story section like five times. 324 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: Here come I be come on. 325 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: Because I have such anxiety of getting taken out of context. 326 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: It's just like I don't know social media these days. 327 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: It's like people forget you're a real person with like 328 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: a real family, real friends, you know what I mean. 329 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: And I just like I'm really kind of sick of 330 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: doing myself or. 331 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Like being twisted, you know. 332 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: In saying all of this, I needed to take a 333 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: little mental health break. I guess one thing I really 334 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: struggle with is like I want to be open and honest, 335 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: and when people say why don't you yourself on stories 336 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: or why aren't you on stories? I want to tell you. 337 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: I want to tell you everything, But I don't want 338 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: to condone the type of behavior that that five percent. 339 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to promote the things they do or 340 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: promote the things they say. I don't want to highlight that, 341 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: because why would I big note that when there's so 342 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: many other nice comments. I'm trying to have a serious conversation, 343 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 4: letting me have it come on coming in, And it's 344 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: just when it starts involving my family and like personal 345 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: events and personal things and like where we live, like 346 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: it's not funny anymore, and it's not just like cyberbullying. 347 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: It's like dangerous, you know. So when it reaches that point, 348 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: I'm like, it's beyond me. But yeah, just some things 349 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: have happened this week. Then I'm like, what is wrong world? 350 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: I kind of like call out anyone or shout out anyone. 351 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: I don't want it to be someone who's being mean 352 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 4: and being nasty. I'd rather it be someone who's doing 353 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: good in the world, or being supportive or even making 354 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: me happy. I don't want to call out someone who's 355 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 4: an online bully and like, yeah, some of the stuff 356 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 4: that's going on at. 357 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: The moment, it's just not okay, is it. 358 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: I'm just not okay. 359 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: It's making mom me very sad. 360 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: It came across how drained Sarah's day is from the 361 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: whole experience, and I've got to say, I feel like 362 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: we've all witnessed a small part of what it would 363 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: be like to be Sarah's day. Because, to be honest, 364 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: every time we talk about Sarah's day on this podcast, 365 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: regardless of how hard we are on Sarah for some 366 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: of their problematic behavior, our whole days end up being ruined. 367 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: It's never good enough. Like, even if you know we 368 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: did a top on Sabian Soul, and we said that 369 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: Sarah was completely in the wrong for that, but apparently 370 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't hard enough. And I think some people seem 371 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: to forget that we are three separate people sitting on 372 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: this podcast with three varing opinions on a topic, which 373 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: I think makes the topic more objective. As journalists, we 374 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: look at all different sides. We don't just look at 375 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: the one side. Yeah, exactly, Well, we're not a hate podcast. 376 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: We don't come in here to slam influencers. And at 377 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: the end of the day, yes we do like holding 378 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: influencers behavior to her account, but we actually also love 379 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: influencer culture. We love following people that we love watching YouTube, 380 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: and we just wanted a place where we can talk 381 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: about it. Can I just say as well? It was 382 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: really interesting because she then later shared two instant stories 383 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: where she pointed out the fact that she said thank 384 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: you to those fans who do you know, go up 385 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: and greet her in the street. But it's getting a 386 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: little bit much because some people are turning up to 387 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: her doorstep and peering over her fence expecting to speak 388 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: to them and see her son. And people still had 389 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: an issue with that saying, oh, she's making it up. 390 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: I think no. Apparently they said that she doesn't have 391 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: a leg to stand on because she promoted the fact 392 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: that if you attend her trip coming up, that you 393 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: can exercise with her her boot. Yeah, you know, she said, oh, 394 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: you can celebrate Fox's birthday with him and stuff. It's like, 395 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: that's very different. That's in a controlled setting. So you're 396 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: comparing that someone paying to be a part of this 397 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: retreat and meeting her in her family. You're comparing that 398 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: to someone stalking her essentially, Like what And just for 399 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: those people who said she's making it up, I can 400 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: say I did share this in our Facebook community that 401 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: when we set up an interview with her partner, Kurt, 402 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: he was very secretive about his address because he explained 403 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: that in the previous two apartments that they've lived at, 404 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: people have gone out of their way to find them 405 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: and wait outside their door. Will salt his day? And 406 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: her sort of group actually had an answer to this, 407 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: and they said that Sarah publicly shares where she is 408 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: all the time and doesn't really care about her own safety. 409 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: So what was the issue with them sharing her wedding details? 410 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: And look, I've got I mean, I can see both 411 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: sides of it. I can see the fact that, you know, 412 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: she does really need to be more protective of her 413 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: privacy and of her security. However, like we're just sort 414 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: of victim blaming him. We're excusing people and saying, oh, well, 415 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: if I puts up where they live, then they're open 416 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: to being in a store. Do we really believe that 417 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: when Sarah puts up Insta stories that that's in real time. 418 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: She probably does what a lot of influencers do and 419 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: what we've seen people like the Kardashians do. They post 420 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: their Insta stories and they have their phone on aeroplane 421 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: load and when they're home they share them. Do you 422 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: know what, I actually think she does share them live 423 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: because her typos are bloody horrendous, and she says that 424 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: she just puts them up straight away. So I actually 425 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: do think she does it live. I bet she probably 426 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: puts up the caption later you can video and then 427 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: put them. I don't know, I think she does. I 428 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: actually do think she does it live. A few people 429 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: have said they've seen her out doing it live and 430 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: it goes up straight away. I just really think, and 431 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: I really hope this happens she needs a better management team, 432 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: she needs someone that's actually looking after her safety, because 433 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: it's quite scary. I mean, everyone can talk about the 434 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: fact like, oh, you know, it's just Sarah's day, who 435 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: cares what happens if something happens to her or her son? 436 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: Like it's not going to be a joke anymore. And 437 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: we've had celebrities like Taylor Swift has been stalked, Kendall 438 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Jennet has been stalked. And while you might say, oh, well, 439 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day is not on their level, the amount of 440 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: hate and obsessive behavior that is surrounding this YouTuber is massive. 441 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: Exactly as you said, there's eight thousand people who are 442 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: following everything this account says. They've put details to where 443 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: she's going to be on her wedding day. Who's to 444 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: say that one rogue fan fan wouldn't come, Oh and 445 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: an egger, you know exactly. Well, I read this really 446 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: fascinating article entitled when fans Become Haters, and it was 447 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: discussing when idolizing someone turns negative. So the first there's 448 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: two different theories about how this happens. So the first 449 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: theory is that when you idolize someone you're actually more 450 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: attached to what they represent to you. So you're attached 451 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: to this image that you have in your mind because 452 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: it somehow fulfills something inside you. And this is actually 453 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: called the Santa Claus complex. So, for example, when you 454 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: idolize someone, you were imagine them to always be loving, 455 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: they're never angry, they have a perfect house, or they 456 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: eat certain foods. However, the second that their image deviates 457 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: away from the image that you have in your mind, 458 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: you decide that they're not what you thought that they were. 459 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: So perhaps in some certain way, they have shattered your 460 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: hope in humanity. I know that sounds really like out 461 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: there that this makes sense to me, because I watch 462 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of YouTubers, and there are certain YouTubers you 463 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: watch for certain reasons. It might be like relaxing content. 464 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: You might really like their fashion, and you do really 465 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: put them in this box of what they present to you. 466 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: And when that illusion is shattered, because you feel like 467 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: you've got this real personal connection to them, but you 468 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: feel like you know these people you're watching, Like these people, 469 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: you're viewing them every day on your phone screen. You're 470 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: then watching them on YouTube. There's a real personal connection there. 471 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you have a crush on 472 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: somebody and then you think that they're wonderful and then 473 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: you realize they're just an asshole. 474 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 475 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: The other theory is really interesting because it has to 476 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: do with human ego and I need to compare so 477 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: our ten see. To compare ourselves to other people makes 478 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: idolizing someone really dangerous. So when we idolize something, we 479 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: very quickly compare ourselves to whatever we idolize, and then 480 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: we begin to feel inferior to it. So the human 481 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: ego cannot handle this and we begin a very subconscious 482 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: strategy to try and gain equality. Basically, we start to 483 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: tear this person that we feel inferior toy, so like 484 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: bring them down to your level because they're making you 485 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like you're not good enough. That's right. 486 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: I just want my life back instead of playing fucking 487 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: streep task all day for two hundrepan shopping budget. 488 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: I realized this week how sad my life actually is 489 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: because I feel like it was improved by Maths being back. See, 490 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: I was the opposite. I found that I didn't have 491 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: enough time during the week to keep up on all 492 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: of the episodes, so I've got two waiting for me tonight. 493 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: I just I love that it's back. I was a 494 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: little bit like you, Sophie. I know, I said, I 495 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: realized I don't have a life, but I did have 496 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: to cram in three episodes last night. It was quite 497 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: hilarious because how did you watch three episodes in one night? 498 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: They go on and I did quite finish. It was 499 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: so funny because I let Race watch the basketball and 500 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: then I said, can we put Maths on? And he 501 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: had a PlayStation update running and it had forty minutes 502 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: to go, and he joked that he was going to 503 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: go watch the screen of the updates rather than Maths. Well, 504 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: this is the first time Dale was actually sat down 505 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: and watched Maths to me, and I've just been enjoying 506 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: watching his reactions because I feel like he wants to 507 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: hate it, but he secretly enjoys it. Yeah, it's great. 508 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: Water call the talk. I mean, we were all talking 509 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: about it family dinner, and I've got to say what 510 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: stands out the most to me is the absolute fuck 511 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: wick guys on there. I'm sorry to swear. Is this 512 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: the representation of the single men in Australia right now? 513 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I have a nice partner, because this 514 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: would make me depress, Like I remember being single and 515 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: everyone like go out, let's go out, and you go 516 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: out and you feel worse because of the absolute dickheads 517 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: that were out and about. Well, I just couldn't get 518 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: over the exchange between Melissa and Bryce on Wednesday's episode. 519 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: So basically the producers set up this truth box, which 520 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: is always going to cause trouble. Yes, of course, and 521 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: in there from Melissa was am I your usual type? 522 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard what he responded? I felt sick 523 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: listening to it because Melissa just seems so lovely and 524 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: for those who aren't keeping up she has had, well, 525 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: it's quite confusing. They when they announced her, they said 526 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: that she hasn't ever been on a date and she's 527 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: thirty one, so your mind's ticking over, like what the fuck? 528 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: And then they say that, then it comes out that 529 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend when she was nineteen, So does 530 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: that mean that he didn't take her on a date. Well, 531 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: maybe he just took her out to McDonald's or something 532 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: like that. I felt like, that's what teenagers do. Is 533 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: that still a date? 534 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: Though? 535 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that classifies as it but what about 536 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: when you're together, like if you go to a dinner, 537 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: is that it like a lot of people call it 538 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: date night. I have no idea. Why don't we throw 539 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: to what he said? Because I listened to this again 540 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: and I couldn't actually fathom how rude it was. Am 541 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: I your usual type? 542 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 5: That's a tough question. I'll be completely honest, not one 543 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 5: hundred percent. I've always gone for the blonde hair, blue eyes, 544 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: tanned kind of girl and someone's like usually taller. I 545 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 5: can't say, hey, I had one hundred ccent come out 546 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 5: you in a bar and like like when can buy 547 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 5: a drink? Because I don't know, but definitely when I 548 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 5: first I was like, Okay, not my type, but you 549 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: have got blond hair, she's not ugly. 550 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to her. Can I 551 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: just say if there are any men who are actually 552 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: with to our podcast, can we reiterate when a woman 553 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: asked do you find me attractive? And why your type? 554 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Just say yes? Especially when you're being filmed on national television. 555 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Couldn't you just say I don't have a type Like 556 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: that is the easiest way to get around the quession, 557 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: saying that you're not ugly is probably the most offensive 558 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: thing you could say. That's basically saying you are ugly. 559 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: You know what I remember? So we were very heavily 560 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: bellied at high school and we were standing at the 561 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: bus stop and this girl, a girl that we didn't like, 562 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: her oldest sister drove past and abused us and called 563 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: us the effing ugly triplets. And I remember we went 564 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: home and we told dad what they said, and he said, 565 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: you're not ugly. So maybe this is something that men 566 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: don't think. Is I think where I'm during a parallel 567 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: between these two stories is that we had very low 568 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: self esteemail, quite insecure, and that's what Melissa seems to be. 569 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: So maybe this is why she ended up apologizing to him. 570 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: Over the whole there's a gas lighting that went on. 571 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: The key point that we're forgetting here is these two 572 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: slept together after the wedding, so he's telling it, oh, 573 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: I didn't think you were ugly, and he slept with 574 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: it how her And the worst bit was before this 575 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: whole truth box came out, she was going on about 576 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: how you comfortable they were together and how good everything 577 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: was going, and you could just tell that she was 578 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: excited that she'd found this really nice guy, and he 579 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: did seem really nice at the wedding were you could 580 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: just see all over her face how offended she was, 581 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: and she didn't even have to say anything. He said, 582 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: what were you hoping I'd say that I thought you 583 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: were the most gorgeous girl in the world, or is 584 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: that the answer you were hoping? Oh my god, that 585 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: just rubbed it in. Actually reminded me of my toxic 586 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: ex relationship some of the things, And I could just 587 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: feel how she felt, like, you know, when you were 588 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: so choked up that you can't even speak. But I 589 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: was really proud of the fact that she came out 590 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: and said that she didn't think he was there for 591 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: the right reasons, because this guy has just gotten out 592 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: of a five year long engagement. Basically, as reported on 593 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: So Dramatic, he's dumped his girlfriend to be on the 594 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: show and to get fain, which is so disappointing. Well, 595 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: did you guys hear him interviewed on kyl and Jackie O, 596 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: because he said that he was horrified to look back 597 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: at the episode and that there was a lot more 598 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: stuff we didn't see in the conversation. He did also 599 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: add in that attraction does grow over time. Well, mate, 600 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you must have been pretty attracted to her to sleep 601 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: with her on the first night. Well, the thing that 602 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: pissed me off the most was Melissa had the guts 603 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: to say this, and then he turned it back on 604 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: her and was saying how offended he was. Like, it 605 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: was gas lighting at its very best, and it made 606 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: me feel sick because she then apologized to him. Well, 607 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: the toxic masculinity exhibited on this show, it's just getting worse. 608 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Did you guys see Thursday night's episode where Sam told 609 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: his wife Cooco what he needs in a woman, and 610 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: he basically told her that he dumped his ex girlfriend 611 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: because of her breast side. So apparently they weren't quite 612 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: what on me and her bum wasn't big enough as well. 613 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: The thing that I found so vile as well was 614 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: that he said, it's frustrating for me because it's like, 615 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: I need a girl with boobs, and it's like, not 616 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: everyone and has big boobs, so it's frustrating. I'm so 617 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: sorry that you're frustrated, mate, by the lack of big 618 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: boob girls. We're frustrated by your vile bleached hair exactly. Well, 619 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: I love someone in our community. They wrote, what is 620 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: he does he need a breastfeed? Like, well, what is 621 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: the purpose of him having her having big boobs? You 622 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: know what? I love because when because Day has been 623 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: watching the episode with me, I kind of explained to 624 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: him that the experts aren't really experts, and they're there 625 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: just to sort of yeah shitsterras. Basically, we'll add some 626 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: validity to the show that yeah, you know. And you know, 627 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: the girl that was partnered with the footballer, apparently all 628 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: she asked for was somebody with a nice smile, and 629 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: they gave her the guy with the bad teeth. And 630 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: so I'm guessing that this guy has said, oh, boobs 631 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: are so important. So they've gone, okay, this woman is 632 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: flat chested, let's partner that she's not actually flash chested. 633 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: She he said that she had enough boobs for him. 634 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, okay. Can I just say, though, like, what 635 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: message does this send to young women watching at home 636 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: who have smaller boobs? Like, as someone who is rather 637 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: flat chested, I just find it revolting that this is 638 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: all this man seems to care about and look for 639 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: in a woman. It's not like, oh I need a 640 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: great personality, I need someone who's smart. It was pretty 641 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: shocking that this sort of attitude still exists along amongst men. 642 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: It's like, what if she'd come back and said, I'd 643 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: like a big dick. It's really frustrating that men out 644 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: there don't have big dicks, which I been. I'm sure 645 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: if she said that, she would have been slot shamed. 646 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: Oh exactly. 647 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 5: Well. 648 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: I really hope that his fashion line isn't directed at women, 649 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: because I can't imagine he'll be getting too many sales 650 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: after this. I drew the duck blue because I've never 651 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: seen a blue duck before, and to be honest with you, 652 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to see a blue duck. Let's get into 653 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: the influencer rap and as we teased on Friday, Danny 654 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: Mansuti is back in Australia. Now, this sort of came 655 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: out at eight pm on Friday night, so we were 656 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: so annoyed that we couldn't actually break the news on 657 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: Friday's podcast as it was being edited by Sophie at 658 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: the time. We were wondering whether to remove that segment 659 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: from there, but we still thought it was relevant. What 660 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: surprises me is it has just been a little over 661 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: two weeks since she put up her message saying she 662 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: would not be on social media anymore after revealing that 663 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: she couldn't get a ticket back to Australia two weeks 664 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: because obviously she was in quarantine. But what surprises me 665 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: is that she revealed on her YouTube that there's no 666 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: way she can get home. So I found it weird 667 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: because this sort of process, if you're coming home on 668 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: compassionate grounds, it sounds like it does require a lot 669 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: of supporting evidence in order to get home. So I 670 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: don't know how the cogs move so quickly for her. Look, 671 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the post that she put up was 672 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: really touching and I do very much feel sorry for 673 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: her if she is struggling with mental illness. However, it 674 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: did leave a bad taste in my mouth. The fact 675 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: that she then has gone and removed all the highlights 676 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: where she acknowledged her problematic behavior. She removed the post 677 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: where she sort of said her farewell to Instagram, and 678 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: it kind of seems like it was a bit of 679 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: a move to get people off her back and go 680 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: do what she wanted to do, and for people to worry, 681 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, has she done something to herself. I mean, 682 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: I know we felt terrible because a lot of the 683 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: information that she discussed in her sort of farewell to 684 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: Instagram post with things that Weird spoken about on our podcast, 685 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: and I was feeling a bit like, oh my god, 686 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: I hope she's okay. Well, I really do hope that 687 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: she does continue to advocate for expats who are trying 688 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: to return home to Australia. It will be interesting to 689 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: see if she does continue that. And as you guys, 690 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: touched and I do feel sorry for her because I 691 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: do feel like she was genuinely in a very dark place. 692 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: But I do also think about Australians who are stuck 693 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: in the UK at the moment and see her process 694 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: somewhat far stop through. Yeah, moving on. Is it just me? 695 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: Or have these things called little moons been popping up 696 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: in every UK influencers videos. I'm like, are they getting 697 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: sponsored to promote them? Yeah? I've seen them everywhere and 698 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: they're also big on TikTok. So they apparently these little 699 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: moons have been around for ten years and they've only 700 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: just saw it in popularity again due to TikTok. What 701 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: are they are? They like ice cream or something like that. 702 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: Actually watched a bloody forty minute video of Anastasia kings 703 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: North making them at home their little pastries with ice 704 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: cream in the middle, and then their froze pastream pastory. 705 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: It's a Japanese inspied dessert, so so it was like 706 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: a ice cream bile. So it's pastry with ice cream. 707 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: So it's a combination of traditional Japanese rice cake and 708 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: ice cream. So they're basically a tiny ice cream sandwich. 709 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: And they were created by Howard and Vivian Wong ten 710 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: years ago because they wanted to bring the rice to 711 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: the mainstream. Doesn't this just show how powerful social media 712 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: platforms are. It does? It does because apparently if you 713 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: go on to TikTok, the hashtag little moons has been 714 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: viewed over fifty four million times and it's seen sales 715 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: rise by seven hundred percent. So you can't get these 716 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: little moons in the UK. That's why people like Anastesia 717 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: are making them, and even I checked if you could 718 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: buy them in Australia and they're sold out. You know what, 719 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: when I sit and watch these videos late at night, 720 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: it is so cruel because I just want to try one. Yeah, 721 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: they do look really yummy. I don't know, I feel 722 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: like they don't look that good. I feel like they 723 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: just look you know, when you put ice cream in 724 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: the fridge and it sits out and melts and then 725 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: refreezes again. I feel like I would have that yucky 726 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: count of dast That's what Anna stage has looked like 727 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: hers or a complete fail. We'll moving on to another 728 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: one of our favorite UK influencers and Saffron Barker has 729 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: taken viewers inside her new home in her latest video 730 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: posted to YouTube. What did you guys think about this? 731 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: I was so excited for this YouTube video because she 732 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: teased earlier in the week that we were going to 733 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: get you know, the first glimpse of her house, and 734 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: we saw nothing. This house is absolutely insane. It's basically 735 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: an old school mansion that needs renovation. The rooms are enormous. 736 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: If it doesn't actually need it, like Sarah's Day's house 737 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: needed renovation, it is exactly. It is exactly. That's pretty dated. 738 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah it's dated, but it's not. But if you were 739 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: a normal person, like you know, I've bought a house, 740 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: not a palatial mansion, and there are things like you know, 741 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: the wet areas are all new. However, like you know, 742 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: we've got slate that we want to rip up, but 743 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: we don't come in there and rip it up straight away. Yeah, 744 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: we don't have any money. 745 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 746 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, her videos that you're like, we're going to take 747 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: on this wall and we're going to move it thirty 748 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: centimeters and went even ripping down the staircase and moving 749 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: it somewhere. Did anyone see because her mom, like the 750 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: vlog before she revealed her house, they sort of went 751 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: to the house and her mum gave her some housewoman gives. 752 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: Did anyone see that plate that she gave her? It 753 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: was the most hideous plate I've ever seen. It was like, oh, 754 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful display plate. It probably costs like a 755 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: grand I love her, I love her mum, Wendy. I 756 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: think I like Wendy more than I like I mean, 757 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: I like Saffron, but I feel like i'd watch the 758 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: mom if she had her own YouTube. Well, for those 759 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen the plate, it's this kind of cut off face. 760 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: It goes with all of the bum varses and the 761 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: other weird faces. An I'm going to say, do you 762 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: think Saffron liked it? Because she said to her mom, oh, 763 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: what made you pick this one? Because apparently there's like 764 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: thousands of them in the collection. As she would say, 765 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: this house is absolutely unreal. It is massive. There are 766 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: four bedrooms upstairs. There's also this little nook area that 767 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: she's turning into a studio. There's a room for a 768 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: massive gym. The thing that I find most interesting is 769 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: she's condensing the four bedroom into two, so she's knocking 770 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: down walls to make her bedroom even bigger, and she's 771 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: also creating this massive glam room and wardrobe. I'm so 772 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: surprised that she's actually living through the renovations. That doesn't 773 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: really make a lot of sense to me, because I 774 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: don't know why she doesn't continue living with her parents 775 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: while the Bruno's are going. I reckon she'll move back 776 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: in when they start happening. But what I'm also shocked 777 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: about is the fact that they're in lockdown and these 778 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: renovations can go on. 779 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 780 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's just within their rules. 781 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 5: I think. 782 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 783 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: The thing is it's going to be the most amazing 784 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: YouTube house. That kind of sounds like what she's designed 785 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: it for because it's going to have the gym downstairs, 786 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: it will have the massive glam room, but a lot 787 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: of followers have been saying, how is she going to 788 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: resell this house? Who's going to buy a two bedroom 789 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: mansion like this? Well she did explain apparently, I don't know. 790 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a builder, but somehow the walls are somewhat 791 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: retractable so they can be easily moved back in to 792 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: fit a four bedroom house. If that makes sense. Yeah, Well, 793 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: apparently the house that she's purchased was actually owned by 794 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: a family and lived in Fort. So can you imagine 795 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: if you then go on YouTube and you're watching your 796 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: family home being torn apart and turned into this absolute pallace. Well, 797 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for. Thank 798 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: you for joining us for today's episode. If you could, 799 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: we would absolutely love it if you could subscribe to 800 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: our podcast and also join us in our Facebook community. 801 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: We're outspoken the podcast community.