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Speaker 1: Now, while you're getting ready to hear a little something

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Speaker 1: for my radio show, I wanted to give you something

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Speaker 1: pretty special I've been working on for a while now

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Speaker 2: About to hear.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about doing this podcast for years.

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Speaker 2: It's called Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Of Legends, and there's loads of incredible guests like Ricky Gervais,

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Speaker 1: Celeste Barber, and Hamish Blake. So here's a special bonus

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Speaker 1: just for you. It's the debut episode featuring Russell Brand

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Speaker 1: And if you like what you hear, add it to

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Speaker 1: Legends now in your podcast app.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: So this idea has been going around in my head

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Speaker 1: for years. My favorite conversations are when the person shares

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Speaker 1: something about themselves you don't know. And I noticed that

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Speaker 1: the objects in our lives have so much meaning when

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Speaker 1: you stop and think about them, which got me wondering.

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Speaker 1: What if some of the world's funniest and most interesting

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Speaker 1: people brought in three treasured objects that mean the most

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Speaker 1: to them and share the stories behind them, stories you've

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Speaker 3: When you said the idea, I thought, that's a really

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Speaker 3: good idea. Have you done many of them, Yet you're

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Speaker 3: the first, all right, and the inaugural. What a beautiful

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Speaker 1: Why, I'm Christian O'Connell, and this is the stuff of

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Speaker 1: legends today with Russell Brand. Well, when I first met

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Speaker 1: Russell he was very different to the Russell Brand we

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Speaker 1: know today. This was what the early two thousands. He

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Speaker 1: was wild, crazy, like this super nova and out of control.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize at the time that he was also

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Speaker 1: an addict. And since then what is overcome and transformed

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Speaker 1: is nothing sort of incredible. You don't need me to

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Speaker 1: remind you about Russell Brand. How he started out as

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Speaker 1: a stand up comedian an MTV presenter, then breaks into Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: forgetting Sarah Marshall and get him to the Greek. He's

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Speaker 1: there's still the sweet vulnerability to Russell alongside all that

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Speaker 1: he's genuinely trying to help people, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. And just a side note, this episode does

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Speaker 1: include drug themes that might be difficult for some of you.

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Speaker 1: So here is Russell Brand and the stories behind the

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Speaker 1: three most treasured objects from his life and his first one.

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Speaker 3: They're house key to my NaN's house one four three

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Speaker 3: lily Church Road, Dagenham, Essex. Like it's obviously someone else's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they just want to You had your own key.

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Speaker 3: So that was like a peculiar period. But she my grandmother. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It felt like I could see the deep, essential archetypal

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Speaker 2: But this is his childhood bike. He's for drugs.

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Speaker 3: a sense symbolically to represent I living domesticity. I'm a

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Speaker 3: family man with a family dog. That dog's got all

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Speaker 3: the attributes and traits that I had when I was

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Speaker 3: about twenty. It's just the psychopath lunatic dog that I

439
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Speaker 3: spent all my time negotiating with and send in too

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Speaker 3: high class trying to.

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Speaker 2: Choose a German Shepherd. I've got a German Shepherd. They're

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Speaker 2: great dogs.

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Speaker 3: I like my dad had one, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Always wanted one as a kid, and I had a

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Speaker 1: little springs here. Yeah, brought her out. They'd be part

446
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Speaker 1: of the family. The kids said one thing, Okay, we're

447
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Speaker 1: going to move to Australia really excited Nietzsche the shep

448
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Speaker 1: that she has to come with us. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they wanted that little bit of comfort in a crazy

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Speaker 1: new life.

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Speaker 2: That was really important.

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Speaker 1: They want to come home from new schools, experienced what

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Speaker 1: they were experienced, and they just want to know their

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Speaker 1: dog was still going to be there. And they every

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Speaker 1: sense of animals, the big dogs German shepherd. I surprised

456
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Speaker 1: you went for a dog like that.

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Speaker 3: I love them.

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Speaker 2: They're great, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're yeah, you know, they're a lovely brid. I

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Speaker 3: think they look like a proper dog. He's a laugh

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Does also have eyebrows. Mine has eyebrows. I find it

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Speaker 1: a lot easier to communicate with her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my boy, bear, He's like, there's a man looking

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Speaker 3: at you.

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Speaker 2: Hello, you look back on the acid.

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Speaker 3: Taken a little bit to get through this interview. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: but he He's like. When I came back, I went

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Speaker 3: back to England to see Morrissey because he was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I have the good fortune of being friends

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Speaker 3: with nol Fitzpatrick, supervet Off the Telly who's a brilliant,

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Speaker 3: brilliant and when anything happens to the animals. It seems

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Speaker 3: that something's always happening to the bloody animals. Like I

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Speaker 3: like call him up and go can need help? Right,

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Speaker 3: And so he took our cat, morrisy because Morrissy having

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Speaker 3: kidney failure and one of his colleagues they're operated and

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Speaker 3: fitted a stint. Morris he's like sixteen years old, you know.

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Speaker 3: But they don't see it in that way. They don't

479
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Speaker 3: go like they've treated the same like a human and go, wow,

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Speaker 3: he's had a good life, fucking like no, it s

481
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Speaker 3: you're like you love him, like keep you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: do everything that we can, and like so we like

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Speaker 3: so we've you know, had an operation and I like

484
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Speaker 3: me and my wife talks about it and goes, I

485
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Speaker 3: think I have to go back, you know, this operation.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be really sort of difficult for him.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like out of honor, like I have

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Speaker 3: to acknowledge that this cat means a lot to me.

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Speaker 3: And he reaches back into a time in my life

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Speaker 3: where I had nothing. I lived in a like a

491
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Speaker 3: not even in one bedroom flat, one room flat when

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Speaker 3: I got that cat. And he's been for all of

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Speaker 3: this stuff. He's witnessed all of these things. He's been

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Speaker 3: present for all of this, and now I feel like

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Speaker 3: he's somehow ferried me to being a father with two children,

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Speaker 3: Like so now thank you. So now that he's sick,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, oh, you can't, like you have to

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Speaker 3: live with honor.

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Speaker 1: And isn't amazing how you just come out of therapy.

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Speaker 1: You're in a very raw what I can only guess,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've been not speaking for you, but

502
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Speaker 1: kind of very embryonic raw. Who am I now? Who

503
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Speaker 1: am I going to be? And you get this lovely

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Speaker 1: little cat that you've got to care for? So she

505
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Speaker 1: came for yourself as well. But that's beautiful. How caring

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Speaker 1: for the cat a sense of caring for yourself as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And it's sort of like a new start.

508
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Speaker 3: It's nice to it's fresh. Yeah, we all escape from

509
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Speaker 3: sort of childhood. I suppose a lot of Like I think,

510
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Speaker 3: addiction is an attempt to sort of get a control

511
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Speaker 3: of your life curiously, even though it is a very

512
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Speaker 3: destructive impulse. So post addiction, when you're entering into the

513
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Speaker 3: world that's really uncertain, You're right, it is very reassuring

514
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Speaker 3: and beautiful. To have a relationship that is reliable or

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Speaker 3: a relationship with an animal, you know, and he's sort

516
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Speaker 3: of really fulfilled that function. It was sad to go

517
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Speaker 3: see him the other day and you know how they

518
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Speaker 3: have to shave him up all dramatically, and he's got

519
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Speaker 3: drips in him and all this kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 3: you see the spirit in them, you know, these animals,

521
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Speaker 3: you know what life wants to carry on. There is

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Speaker 3: this will to live, you know.

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Speaker 2: And how is Mole's now? Can we get an update?

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Speaker 3: He's doing pretty good, that there's some sort of presence

525
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Speaker 3: of there's a word that sounds a bit like creatins

526
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Speaker 3: or something, which is it means that the amount of

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Speaker 3: that is a way of evaluating how well the kidney

528
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Speaker 3: is functioning. It's not dropped as much as they would

529
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Speaker 3: have liked. And the fact is is that kidney failure

530
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Speaker 3: is a prominent thing for older cats anyway. So like

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Speaker 3: he's improving and he's doing he's doing all right, you know, thankfully.

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Speaker 1: What moment in your life has Morrissey witnessed that no

533
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Speaker 1: one else has seen and even knows about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that no one else has seen.

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Speaker 3: But like he's certainly I mean, he's just been there

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Speaker 3: for sixteen years. Like, he's been present in a lot

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Speaker 3: of interesting situations I've seen. Like I remember when I

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Speaker 3: first saw Morrissey with famous people, thinking Wow, there's Morrissey

539
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Speaker 3: on a famous person's legs, Like it was sort of

540
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Speaker 3: really like extraordinary, like reality. He's gone all broken. Now

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Speaker 3: that's the cat Morrissey.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Also even when I do remember when I interviewed ed

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Speaker 3: Milliban before the election fifteen, I've got footage of made

545
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Speaker 3: Millivan coming up the stairs and Morrissey just come from

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Speaker 3: this sort of trapes him by him. So he's been

547
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Speaker 3: there and he's been there for everything. He's just a cat,

548
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Speaker 3: and he doesn't, you know, like any cat care about

549
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Speaker 3: none of it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like one day he's going to have his

551
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Speaker 1: sort of show beause he's going to set his story

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Speaker 1: behind your back up my Life with Russell.

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Speaker 3: Browd and he's got some good yarns, that cat. He's

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Speaker 3: been present for some interesting moments.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to today's legend, Russell Brand. When I asked

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Speaker 1: Russell to do this podcast, he had this wonderful phrase

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Speaker 1: as Russell Wood objects hum with meaning it was a

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Speaker 1: genuine joint to chat with him and to find out

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Speaker 1: more and is a chat made even more special because

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Speaker 1: since we spoke, sadly, Russell's camp Morrissey is no longer

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: However, I still think it.

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Speaker 1: Will go down as one of Russell's greatest loves of

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Speaker 1: his life, of many loves. We had this big hug afterwards,

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Speaker 1: and I thanked him for being so open and honest.

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Speaker 1: Russell sometimes strikes me you'll probably like this too. He's

567
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Speaker 1: almost like superhuman in his shimmering ultra confidence and speed

568
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Speaker 1: of thought. But this chat reminded me of the sweet

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Speaker 1: tenderness that lies within him and all of us. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it too. If this episode has brought

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Speaker 1: to me on. I'm Christian O'Connell and until next time,

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Speaker 1: this is the stuff of legends.

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Speaker 2: That was great, Thank you so much. Lovely feelmis I

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Speaker 2: found it was so interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really good. I'd be really interesting, sir, Oh,

583
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Speaker 3: listen to this podcast? Is that sort of thing I'd like.

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Speaker 3: I like how you do interviews. You're a laugh but

585
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Speaker 3: you're serious and get it into people you always have done.

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm like you and that I want

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Speaker 2: to find out answers. I want to know what do

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Speaker 2: you know that I might be going to make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know