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Speaker 1: Now, we have spoken a lot about some of the

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Speaker 1: issues being experienced in Central Australia right now. Last week

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Speaker 1: we're talking quite extensively about the issues around youth crime.

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Speaker 1: We've also spoken a lot about the issues around alcohol misues.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there'd been concerns raised that we'd

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Speaker 1: see further issues around the issues of alcohol when the

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Speaker 1: Stronger Futures legislation ended. Now, one business operator has been

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Speaker 1: out in the media this morning and said that their

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Speaker 1: concerns about an increase in the consumption of hand sanitizer

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs, amongst other things. Now, Rex Nindorff joins

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Speaker 1: me on the line right now from the Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: Reptile Center. Good morning to you, Rex.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how are you not too bad?

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Speaker 1: Rex? Tell us a little bit more about the concerns

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Speaker 1: that you have raised. Well.

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Speaker 2: And sanitizer has been heavily used, as in wrongly used

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Speaker 2: for at least a couple of years now, simply because

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Speaker 2: it's cheap and it's available. When I say cheap, it's

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Speaker 2: basically all being stolen, and it's rarely available, and it's

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Speaker 2: got about seventy five in alcohol and they just mix

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Speaker 2: it with any other drink and offer goes. But the

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Speaker 2: problem is when they're drinking sanitizer, they go mental after it.

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Speaker 2: But we're still seeing sanitizer being drunk on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: So last night I pulled three empty bottles of sanitizer

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Speaker 2: between myself and the Flying Doctor on the lawns at

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Speaker 2: our place in Our Springs. But they're during a heap

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Speaker 2: of Hannah's hand sanitizer still and also heavy alcohol has

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Speaker 1: And rex morning impact is that having at the moment,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the broader community, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just causing a lot of problems. There's a hell of

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Speaker 2: a lot of drunk drivers just suddenly going around way

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Speaker 2: more than what there was just a month or two ago.

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Speaker 2: We had one crash out in front of our place

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Speaker 2: that only a couple of nights ago. Was Wednesday night,

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Speaker 2: it's barely Fooday morning was twelve thirty and I just

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Speaker 2: And lucky there was no one else around it that time,

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Speaker 2: Otherwise it could have been much worse. But the sheer

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Speaker 2: amount of drunk drivers going around is just astronomical at

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Speaker 2: the moment, Rex.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is terrible to hear and astonishing to hear.

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Speaker 1: You know that it's happening on a regular basis by

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Speaker 1: the sounds of things with the drunk driving talk me

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Speaker 1: through as well, you know, with the issues of the

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Speaker 1: alcohol and the missues of the hand sanitizers, Like how

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Speaker 1: often are you sort of picking up you know, this

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Speaker 1: empty hand sanitizers and that kind of thing around your property.

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Speaker 2: It's a daily, on a nightly basis, So every night

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Speaker 2: I'll go over and pick up just to account it all.

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Speaker 2: And so I've got bags and bags and bags of it.

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Speaker 2: So I've just got shopping bags full of empty bottles,

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Speaker 2: and that's from the last couple of months, but just

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Speaker 2: almost every night. It's at least two, three, four bottles

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Speaker 2: people that's a little bit short on cash of drinking

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Speaker 2: the sanitizer and the other ones that are cashed up

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Speaker 1: Rex. Honestly, you just think to yourself, you know, the

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Speaker 1: impact the health impact of drinking hand sanitizer and that

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Speaker 1: real heavy alcohol is terrible, and then the social impacts

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Speaker 1: is absolutely terrible as well. Do you feel as though

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Speaker 1: this has changed over recent months as a result of

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Speaker 1: the changes to the stronger future legislation and the alcohol restrictions.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely got worse. So the last month or two

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Speaker 2: is way way worse. And the sheer amount of heavy

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Speaker 2: a lot of handsome TiSER and now the thing is

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Speaker 2: But it's really changed in the last month to real

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rex, how are things going from your perspective? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know I've spoken to Daniel Rochford on numerous occasions

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Speaker 2: It certainly is that. I mean town is town, and

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Speaker 2: town is still good. There's really really great people in

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Speaker 2: as far as that goes. But it's pushing a rund

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Speaker 2: It's just going berserk and you just see the stuff

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Speaker 2: people to become more I'd hate to say racist, that

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Speaker 2: people are becoming very very angry at what's going on,

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Speaker 2: and it's just because of the inaction and the government.

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Speaker 2: The government has done zero to help anything, and they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: we've got to look after the kids. Well, by letting

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Speaker 2: these kids go out at nighttime, that's looking after the kids. Either.

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Speaker 2: The kids actually need to be removed and they need

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Speaker 2: So when they're in the little gangs, they're King, and

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Speaker 2: even if they go to Juvie, they're still with their

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Speaker 1: Rex. It sounds as though, you know, people have had enough,

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Speaker 1: the community has had enough. I know you've been there

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Speaker 1: old Malankas and you used to bring the snakes and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen ups and downs of that entire period.

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Speaker 2: And I've been in town for over twenty five years

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Speaker 2: now and had the Reptols Center running for over twenty.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's probably come up to twenty three years

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Speaker 1: Goodness may well, Rex, I really appreciate you having a

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Speaker 1: chat to us this morning. I know it's actually difficult

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Speaker 1: you know, and speak the truth and explain exactly what's

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Speaker 1: and doing that.

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Speaker 2: It has to be said, because otherwise it just doesn't

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Speaker 2: get out there. And it's still not getting out there.

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Speaker 2: People are been quite shocked if they come here. So

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Speaker 2: not one hundred percent sure. I know that she was

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Speaker 2: at the time. I was actually doing a training course.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so that happens on a regular basis. It's

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Speaker 2: really really common. Once they start drinking a hand sanitizer,

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Speaker 2: everything goes out the window, really messes with them.

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Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. It's not unbelievable, unfortunately, Rex. It's gotten

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Speaker 1: to the point where where nothing's real unbelievable that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing or we're hearing. But it's totally unacceptable, and the

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Speaker 1: time has come for the government to deem it unacceptable

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Speaker 1: as well. I know they keep saying it, but until

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dreading when these new laws come in and

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Speaker 2: the kids go up to twelve years of age until

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Speaker 2: become criminally responsible, and if it goes to fourteen it'll

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Speaker 2: be far worse. I know there's all these bleeding do

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Speaker 2: absolute crap. So these kids know exactly what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: and they're flouting every single law to do it so

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Speaker 2: So they're just making use of these laws to their

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Speaker 1: Rex Nindolf, I appreciate you speaking to me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on the show. Everyone, okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you very thank you, Thanks very much,