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Speaker 1: Mom always always said be careful. Love those alum boys.

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Speaker 2: Little well, use your head.

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Speaker 1: They will tear you up like a paper too. Oh

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Speaker 1: no no no yeah yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no,

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Speaker 1: then it's knowledge you darling. Anyway, it's a lethal thoughts

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Speaker 1: that'll bring you down, shouting to get your tipsy like

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Speaker 1: God drinks love drunk girls.

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Speaker 2: Oh hi, I'm Amanda and I'm rom Be.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to.

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Speaker 4: It is Lay.

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Speaker 5: We're in a long distance friendship that started nearly twenty

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Speaker 5: years ago when we were in high school.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything.

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Speaker 3: And everything else under the sun.

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Speaker 5: Dell's deeper with us because in life, you know, Jeanette, Jeanette, my.

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Speaker 2: Layers, Yes, upon layers.

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Speaker 3: How are you girls since you last spoke?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you? What's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: As I sip on my tea, I was just thinking,

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Speaker 2: I just did my hair, so I've got a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a headache.

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Speaker 4: I am not my hair.

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Speaker 2: I am a I know that is a good hype man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you really are a ratchet behavior Like I can

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Speaker 4: think the most.

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Speaker 5: And you're just like yeah, yeah, no, no, you're not

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Speaker 5: a hype woman.

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Speaker 4: For a ratchetness, that's for sure. But you know, uh huh,

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Speaker 4: I feel you on that hair thing. Man, hair hair.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we need to dive deeper into your hair.

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Speaker 3: How was your hair journey being.

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Speaker 4: Being It's been interesting. I think it's evolved from pain.

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Speaker 4: I just remember being a kid sitting in hair salons,

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Speaker 4: which it dawns well.

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Speaker 5: Like being pulled like side to side and relaxed getting

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Speaker 5: burnt and like yeah. So it's been like it's been

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Speaker 5: a love hate relationship of like what is good hair?

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Speaker 4: What is bad hair?

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Speaker 5: But I've been fortunate to have pretty great hair, like genetically,

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Speaker 5: so that's been a plus side. But I think every

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Speaker 5: black girl knows that the journey of hair is just

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Speaker 5: it's not an easy one.

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Speaker 4: It's layer like see it's laid, like we what about

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Speaker 4: your journey?

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Speaker 2: I'm just as you, like, I feel like I've done

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Speaker 2: it all, okay maybe the only Yeah, Like I had short,

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Speaker 3: When I got tired of it, like in school, I think.

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Speaker 2: My mom was just like, ash, go get a zuda

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Speaker 2: and I was like get I like, because I was tired,

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Speaker 3: And then she just went I just cut it all.

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Speaker 2: So I rocked very short hair for a while because

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I was tired of every Sunday

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Speaker 2: or every second Sunday getting my hair threaded or corn roaded,

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Speaker 2: and it was just painful. And then in high school

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Speaker 2: it was very like primitive in terms of the choices

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Speaker 2: we had. You either had to have it, and you

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Speaker 2: either had to have it in a corn rolls neat

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Speaker 2: corn rolls, or you actually have it relaxed and then

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Speaker 2: try to manage it in a high school setting, swimming

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Speaker 2: with putting oil on a sculp, like it doesn't even work.

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Speaker 3: And they didn't really.

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Speaker 2: Allow us to have our hair and natural states like

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Speaker 2: short short, almost zula to do that is such a

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Speaker 2: vibe we weren't allowed to do.

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Speaker 3: And so then allowed.

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Speaker 4: To like singles like at some point without hair, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly singles, yes, And that was like a big thing

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Speaker 2: because when you're order and obviously getting raided, and it

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Speaker 2: had to be the normal colors. You couldn't do any

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Speaker 2: funky colors. So I think that also kind of became

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Speaker 2: a problematic time because it was like I was trying

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Speaker 2: to know my hair, but everything else was pushing against

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Speaker 2: getting to know it. You need liberation I got time

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Speaker 2: to try and do all these things and I've never done.

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Speaker 2: But then Australia, of course there's not as many salons

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Speaker 2: black people, so that also was limiting, but it was

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Speaker 2: still I still got to know all about weeds and

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Speaker 2: wigs and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Career. I think it's just a mixed nown. I just

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Speaker 3: do what I want. Do you want to get what

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Speaker 4: Bad? Yeah? What I feel like I'm with you?

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Speaker 5: And yeah, Similarly, I think for me, like university, though

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Speaker 5: I started off with relaxed, then heavily into braids, and

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Speaker 5: then I went natural and as you can see it, well,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you can see now I am

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Speaker 5: a locked queen or.

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Speaker 4: As Zimbabwe and Windy will call me. Yes, Rasta Braska.

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Speaker 2: Mara, Marasta, you belying Marasta.

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Speaker 5: Literally like the first day I got my locks like done,

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Speaker 5: I stepped out the hair selon trying to catch my

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Speaker 5: combe home and then there's literally they're like hey Rasta

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Speaker 5: and I'm just like brah so quick that change?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Even for me, like when I when I go home,

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Speaker 3: but I appreciate you. Boom, thank you. So Zimbab is this.

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Speaker 2: Thing being quite comical when it comes to hair and

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Speaker 2: the interpretation of hair.

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Speaker 4: I was dead, I did so you you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: How your hair is always genetically you're blessed. So what

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Speaker 2: type of hair would you say? Like, it's soft, easy

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't know if everyone knows, but there

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Speaker 5: are different scales of hair typed deperent in this girl

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Speaker 5: depending on how coily it is. It's either straight or like,

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Speaker 4: It's like more forcy. So I'm definitely forcey.

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Speaker 5: But my hair is quite soft, like my edges are

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Speaker 5: sensitive and like, but you know, all hair is sensitive.

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Speaker 5: It's relatively soft, but it's a lot and before I

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Speaker 5: when I would relax it.

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Speaker 4: And then the growth part, you know that I with growth.

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Speaker 2: And when you're transitioning as well, like you said you

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Speaker 2: went to natural. It's an awkward face. I have half

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Speaker 4: Something it was terrible.

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Speaker 5: they have pretty good hair, so it grows like pretty

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Speaker 5: well and you know so yeah, and what about you?

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Speaker 5: On what scale you are?

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Speaker 2: You were blessed, my love, because I have true for

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Speaker 2: sea hair more for squat like they like you know

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Speaker 2: that movie The Gods must be crazy and the quite

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Speaker 2: side people have that little little round that is me,

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Speaker 2: my bum two people be feeling me because.

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Speaker 4: That is me, like you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my hair is not.

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Speaker 2: Easy to manage, funny enough. It is soft, but it's

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Speaker 2: just very coarse like in terms of it gets very dry. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you cut it in soft, but it's so dry so

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Speaker 2: and then to top it all off, it's very thin

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Speaker 2: and very fast like shuomo ponies. For those who don't

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Speaker 2: know what shomo pony is, it's when you're really shumo

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Speaker 2: means hope, you're really hoping that this pony is like

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Speaker 3: Luscious, tossing the the fun, forcing it.

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Speaker 2: So that is me. But I love it the way

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Speaker 2: it is. I've learned to love it. I'm even losing,

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Speaker 2: like learning to leaving a hairdresser. Like in Perth, I

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Speaker 2: had a very loyal hairdresser went she was really good.

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Speaker 2: But then when I moved here, I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: and people were listening in And that's what I would know.

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Speaker 2: When you find that good hairdresser, you just.

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Speaker 3: Issu, you hold on. You know, she never used to.

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Speaker 2: Like cancel appointments, does an overchire, Yeah, those kinds of

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Speaker 2: when I came here, I just made a vow to

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Speaker 2: myself to start learning my own and doing my own hair.

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Speaker 3: And thank you YouTube.

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Speaker 2: This journey has been lovely and all the tutorials and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's easy to manage?

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you're killing it.

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Speaker 5: Like I was asking you earlier about the how you

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Speaker 4: Ashame Girl.

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Speaker 3: Back, maybe I'll do. You know, it's layered podcast here

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Speaker 4: It's layered, it's literal, it's layered.

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Speaker 5: No, but I feel you like yeah, definitely learning to

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Speaker 5: to I've learned to love and learn how to take

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Speaker 4: What's good for my hair, what's not? What I like?

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Speaker 5: And the thing is there's a misconception that our here

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Speaker 4: Not the truth. Yeah man, yeah, so what are your

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Speaker 4: thoughts on the fun wig weave movement? So my hot

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Speaker 4: water bottles leaking? Guys, I'm that cold?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are not. Are you okay? I'm okay? Are

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Speaker 3: you okay? Oh no, don't burn yourself.

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Speaker 4: No no, it didn't burn me, Thank goodness. Uh sorry,

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Speaker 4: my bad, um you know, to come back.

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Speaker 2: I I'm obviously wearing weaves and wigs and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I suppose I hate that it's become team this

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Speaker 2: out and be and yeah, because my hair is naturally

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Speaker 2: thin and don't really full on relax it because it

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Speaker 3: So I but.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes because it gets too coarse to really brush, I

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Speaker 2: have to texturalize, which is like the happy medium.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I try obviously, try not to use too much heat,

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Speaker 2: thread ding my bands as we call them, really helps

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Speaker 2: to stretch out and without using heat. But like little

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Speaker 2: things like that I do. But then because of that,

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Speaker 2: I find I don't want to say I'm team Weeds,

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Speaker 2: team Wigs. But at the same time, I also do

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Speaker 2: protective styles, so I feel like I'm I mean every team, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm there, but like I just take it like it's fun.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like nowadays people are so gong ho yeah,

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Speaker 3: About it to the point where it's not inclusive at all.

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Speaker 4: Not at all.

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Speaker 5: And I think my problem with the team's mentality is

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Speaker 5: they seek to define you based on those teams. Like

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Speaker 5: for me, when I went natural or now that I

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Speaker 5: have you know, locks, people will be like, oh so

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Speaker 5: you're like Erica will do Soul Sister, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just like, yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like it kills me.

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Speaker 5: Firstly, I don't listen to Erica, do no hate on her,

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Speaker 5: just don't gel with her music. But like you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, Like people have this automatic assumption. So

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Speaker 5: I think people like teams because it's easier to put

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Speaker 4: A conscious thought about it because again, like they're not

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Speaker 5: The five to find the hair salon that could do

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Speaker 4: So it's just one of those things, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, But as much as I enjoy

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm also team healthy hair, like it has

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Speaker 5: Now it's time to wait for an appointment or like

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Speaker 4: Like whoa girl like I'm okay, or it doesn't get damaged.

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Speaker 5: So that was also why I chose to go for

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Speaker 4: Also it helped me get to learn.

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Speaker 5: Myself more where hare wasn't something other that someone else

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Speaker 2: We could go on because yeah, you're right, like even

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Speaker 2: So I think that's why I love the wigs and

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Speaker 3: Like I see a lot of.

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Speaker 2: They're really hating not going to the cellar. Yeah, all

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Speaker 3: So I do.

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Speaker 2: And I love protective styles like all your box braids,

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Speaker 3: It's just it just adds so much flavor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, box braids on my gem. I miss them.

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Speaker 4: I really do, like they are like they were my

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Speaker 3: I can look cute.

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Speaker 5: Like the the comeback of the box braids was the

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Speaker 3: No poetic justice.

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Speaker 4: He and Janet Jackson there. Yeah. Oh have you tried?

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Speaker 4: Have you you talked about bleaching? Have you ever tried

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Speaker 4: bleaching your hair before?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I've never tried, like from a box, like a bottle

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Speaker 2: like peroxide. Yeah, yeah, I've tried natural bleaching, like when

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Speaker 2: like like in the sun and lighter brown. Yes, yeah eventually,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't really like I couldn't say I have

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, Like sometimes I think if I

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Speaker 2: So now I feel like, you know, if I could

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Speaker 4: All the way I feel you I feel, But.

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Speaker 2: Back then it was just like about easy management and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think also our parents, I got moms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had very beautiful hair in high school and me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah some lot.

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Speaker 5: It's beautiful, thank you, and and I'm grateful for that.

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Speaker 5: It just made it manageable because even if it started

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Speaker 4: I would have, you know, but I want to. I

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Speaker 5: I just want my locks to grow longer, and then

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Speaker 5: I want to experiment with some color. Not too much,

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Speaker 5: But also locks of hair, well.

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Speaker 2: They have this hair wax you can use as well

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Speaker 3: I'll hook you up.

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Speaker 2: Anyone listening, We'll hook you up with this.

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Speaker 3: I love Everyone's like we've been there and done that.

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Speaker 5: Ye, like, but yeah, what do you think of society's

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Speaker 5: perception and male perception up here? Oh, where it gets

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Speaker 5: go yeah, perspective.

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Speaker 2: So society, I think definitely being a career woman in Australia,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm in that space, I think they

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Speaker 2: I Frican Americans also have it in America, where it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, it might be deceived to be too ghetto

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Speaker 3: And then if you're bold, it's like, oh are you

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Speaker 3: a lesbian?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: So it's like all these things where it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: this is just my hair, like the side whoose. And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of education that's needed in the Australian

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Speaker 2: They love to touch it without without being allowed to,

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Speaker 2: not provoking, but just reach out and touch its like

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Speaker 2: I'm a monkey in a zoo, which I absolutely hate.

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Speaker 2: They don't know all about our protective styles, so when

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Speaker 2: I go with my weave to work, they'll be like, ah,

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Speaker 3: So I feel like for people who don't know all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do their homework twenty You need to educate yoursel Yeah. No,

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Speaker 5: your hair is different, because when I first came, I

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that. I think it's this idea of

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, they're like, oh, you should do that

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Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I'm not going to, you know, or

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Speaker 4: It's like that type of thing because I think the

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Speaker 5: Long braids is something similar enough to maybe what they

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Speaker 3: Makes sense, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just like okay, no. And then I think

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Speaker 5: there's also the element like.

444
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 4: Every time because we can tie our hair in different hairstyles.

445
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 4: Black hair, you can do different things with it.

446
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 5: So they we're like, oh, you have a new haircut. Oh,

447
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 5: you have a new hair I'm like, no, it's not

448
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 5: a haircut. I just stout my hair differently. I just

449
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 5: put curls in, I just left it straight. Like there's

450
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: so many things I can do with my hair. It's

451
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 5: just yeah, it's entertaining because and that's one of the

452
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: blessings of black hair that we can do so much

453
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 5: with it.

454
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: And I think you're never bored. Yeah, you're never bored.

455
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: We don't put enough like praise until it more focused

456
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: on like teams or like oh this that, but like

457
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: the beauty is we can be all of these different

458
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: things if we want to. Yeah, that's that's definitely yeah.

459
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I.

460
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: Feel like even like I remember here when we had

461
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: the model Duky and she's a popular South Sudanise Australian model,

462
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: and she was on the show Australia's Next Top Model,

463
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: and she had to cornrow her own hair on a

464
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: photo shoot, like they just didn't have someone to do

465
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: her hair at that particular photo shoot for that challenge,

466
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: and it brought everyone's heart. Every you know, person washed

467
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: that it was a person of color and then stood

468
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: the hair journey. It was so like, how can this

469
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: top rated show in Australia have this girl do her

470
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: own hair? Like so, I feel like there's a lot

471
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: of education that's needed. There's a lot of normalcy that's

472
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: needed surrounding our hair, and we need to like let

473
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: people come behind the curtain and see what's what's needed

474
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: to protect and to style and to love with our society.

475
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: Depending where you are, bruh, like need because I love

476
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: when I go to zim and I like get my

477
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: hair braided for like so cheap over here, such a luxury.

478
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Yeah for sure. And there's

479
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: so much education that even needs to happen in schools,

480
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 5: and I know, for example, even in South Africa, there

481
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 5: was a huge case of like girls not being allowed

482
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 5: to wear natural hair. And you already spoke about how

483
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: we weren't allowed to wear it in our natural state

484
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: or too short or you know, things like that, and

485
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 5: it's like the message that conveys to a young girl

486
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 5: is like this is not right, this is you know,

487
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 5: and already then are avid from such a young age,

488
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 5: when those are your years of self you know, defining yourself,

489
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: finding who you are, you already grappling with so much

490
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 5: as a young teenager, and then now there's this kind

491
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: of thing of like, oh, this isn't beautiful, you know,

492
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 5: the standard of.

493
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it becomes a bit. Yeah, it's it's it's

494
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 4: a lot, it's a lot, a lot.

495
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: But I'm grateful that there's this movement towards like owning

496
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 5: our hair and celebrating it as it is.

497
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, But don't.

498
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: You think like that education also permeates to our male species. Yeah,

499
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: all these all these things are talking about also like

500
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: for the boys when they look at us, they feel

501
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: that way too, Like when they see a girl with

502
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: natural hair, is she not as pretty as the girl

503
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: who's tea weave or does much of a social standing

504
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: as Yeah?

505
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so layer it I'm yet to see like it.

506
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: It's a rising movement, for sure, but more and more

507
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: guys appreciating and loving our natural hair and they know

508
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: it's natural like they know when they see how we've

509
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: what a haircut, it's not a they know what's a

510
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: weave where they want us to they want us to

511
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: be celebrated when we're not really fully us us.

512
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think it's a whole thing. I think there's,

513
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 5: like you're saying, layers to it. I think too in

514
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 5: addition to that, they know our natural state. But I

515
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: think also there's a.

516
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: You are kept or you are well groomed or wow,

517
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: if you have.

518
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: This hair that's done and spend money on you know,

519
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 5: because in a lot of places spending money on weave

520
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 5: and wig and whatever, it's it's an expense.

521
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: It's not cheap.

522
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 5: So you look like, ay, you're a kept girl or

523
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: you really take care of yourself.

524
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 4: And it's like it's not the same anymore. There's just

525
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: so many ways to it. But I don't know if

526
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: if if if males want to know or want to.

527
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 6: Learn the the the hair journey or respect that or

528
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 6: it's going to take some time because we're only just

529
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 6: really embracing it as women ourselves.

530
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the guys let us know. Listen, Yeah, how

531
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: do you prefer your girls?

532
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: Do you like it?

533
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: Like supset or.

534
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: Take some feedback from the guys, because it's such a

535
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: valid point to make. Like, as you said, it might

536
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: also be tied to like social standing, but I feel

537
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: like it's also tied to what people define as beautiful. Sure,

538
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: And I think because we've gone for this Eurocentric ideal

539
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: of beauty for so long, we just think, as you said,

540
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: even if it is a protective style.

541
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: It's going to be long. You know, it's not going

542
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 3: to be short, not going to get the little short

543
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: eight inch grades.

544
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: They're going to get long, flow, flowing, as flowing as

545
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 2: you can get, you know, twists. They're very nice and

546
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: thin and long, so you can as if you have

547
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: that long fine hair.

548
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

549
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: So it's it's so layered because it's like, Okay, when

550
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: did we get this idea that this is this is

551
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: the best thing to do.

552
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is beautiful, this is the best.

553
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 5: This is I just feel like as a people, as

554
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: black people, we have so many of these issues.

555
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: That we have to unpack and deal with, like all.

556
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: These little cultural and things that were ingrained that we have.

557
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: To unlearn or unprocessed from our brains. Because yeah, it's exhausting, bro.

558
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: Like so it's like flip, Yeah, that's why we say

559
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 5: it's layer.

560
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: Because it's late.

561
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: It's not black and white. Yes, what do you.

562
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Think about like other cultures taking or taking.

563
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: Our hairstyles so.

564
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Like corn rows, you know, being called boxer braids or

565
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: like all these things.

566
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: What what are you? What's what's your thoughts around that?

567
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: H Have you heard of the term cultural appropriation? That's

568
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: my thought on that.

569
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I feel a way because

570
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 5: I see here a lot of here in the Czech Republic,

571
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: they're quite a lot of white people, not.

572
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: A lot, but I see a number with like lynks, right,

573
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: and then they the like the thing I hate most.

574
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: It's like a sort of like you know, unkept like

575
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 5: kind of like.

576
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: Has no folk, you know.

577
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: Then they they kind of represent a particular person. It's like,

578
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: do you know that this is the natural state of

579
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 4: our hair if we just don't like combit like, do

580
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: you get that? That's where it stems from.

581
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 5: Of course I understand things like you know, Bob Marley popularized.

582
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: The Rasafarian you.

583
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: Know move men and things like that, but it's just

584
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: it's like they don't I don't.

585
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: Know, you know what I mean?

586
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 5: And then at the same time, it's like are they

587
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: celebrating are they happy you know about us and our hair?

588
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: And should we be happy.

589
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: To see it?

590
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 7: And it's tough, it's layered, ladis it needs to come

591
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 7: from a good place.

592
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 5: But I feel away, especially when people I feel a

593
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 5: way when people commercialize it for their benefit, when black

594
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 5: girls and black women are not celebrated for the same thing.

595
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: That's where I feel yes about that, Yes, And you

596
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: can't call me ghetto corners at work and then go

597
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: oh kloi ka dash and looks fortunate about the brades

598
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: like it can't does not can't come from the same mouth.

599
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: It just can't happen.

600
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: So either be for it or be again like cheos

601
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: like but don't make it.

602
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: And also I find with a lot of these celebrities

603
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: who are not of color and they do take these hairstyles,

604
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: they don't get appropriate credit, so then renamed them. But

605
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: it's like no, no, no, Actually, if you actually said

606
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: I got band two knots in my hair, we would be.

607
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: Like, okay, you look about that.

608
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like exactly whereas like I think there's

609
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: a time when when these celebrities have long corn rows

610
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh farah faced towards these and like

611
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: one of the Bond movies she had like corn rows and.

612
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: Beads at the end. It's like, no, but you can't

613
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: then credit it to pharaforce it.

614
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, occasion lady, like think of the

615
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: actual orange, like really for research and give credit where

616
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: to and treat us equally as you said. You know,

617
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: you can't say I'm ghetto. Then they have it.

618
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: It's cool.

619
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're like, that's just it. When when we have it,

620
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: it's not so good. When white culture has it, it's

621
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: the coolest thing.

622
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 5: Amazing, And so yeah, it felt its filtered into so

623
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 5: many things like you know, body shape and oh my gosh,

624
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: it's like the.

625
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: List doesn't end.

626
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: It tortures me and we in another whole episode cultural appropriation.

627
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. But you know what I was gonna

628
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: ask you because.

629
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: I got asked this and work I was talking about

630
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: this and like you know, corn rows and all that,

631
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, but what about you guys with

632
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: your weeds? Are you not appropriating from you know, because

633
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: you are also like pretending to have sulky fine hair.

634
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Please.

635
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: I was finished, But.

636
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: But people need to let us know what they feel

637
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: about cultural appropriation. Do they think people are both exaggerating

638
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: too sensitive or do they think, you know, we should

639
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: actually get credit for some of these hair styles and

640
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: people are recycling and pretending they've created.

641
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Please let us know.

642
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: Be very keen to find out getting upsellings.

643
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: I'm upset here, That's how I feel.

644
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: I feel upset.

645
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm upset.

646
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 7: Yes, let us.

647
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we do, we do.

648
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: But it's such a beautiful thing and just it's a

649
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: crowning glory for sure.

650
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, we can go on and on and send

651
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: through your responses to Amanda's question, your own questions and thoughts,

652
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: like on what like you feel about some of the

653
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 5: things we've covered, because ma'am, and we can only delve.

654
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: Deeper into some of these things.

655
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Speaker 5: So yeah, thank you so much for joining us for

656
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Speaker 5: another episode of It's Layered. We appreciate you, We appreciate

657
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658
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,320
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661
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Speaker 4: to chatting with us.

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Speaker 2: Let us know what it is, what to do, and

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Speaker 2: so then we can delve deeper, delve deeper.

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Speaker 4: Girl. We chune on some heavy topics out here. It's heavy,

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Speaker 4: it ain't light.

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Speaker 2: Here is just here's just too late kind of one episode.

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Speaker 4: No you can't. We definitely need to come back.

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Speaker 5: But thank you everybody, have a great rec of your

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Speaker 5: day and bye, see you bye.

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Speaker 1: I'm always always

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Speaker 2: Be careful