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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer and health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise

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Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me, your friends, Let's rise and conquer.

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to another episode of the Rise

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Speaker 1: and Conker Podcast. Today, I have another health and wellness

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Speaker 1: guest for you and we are chatting with Marika day So.

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Speaker 1: Marika's personal diagnosis of Celiac disease led her into a

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Speaker 1: career as an accredited practicing dietitian and nutritionness. She has

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Speaker 1: a special interest in IBS and gut health and a

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Speaker 1: passion for empowering others to live healthier lives through nutrition education.

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Speaker 1: Marika runs an IBS clinic in Bondai is the dietitian

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Speaker 1: for Keep It Cleaner and when she is in the

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Speaker 1: kitchen cooking up a storm, she can be found online

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Speaker 1: providing factual nutrition information and dispelling common miss and misconceptions.

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Speaker 1: Today she is helping us bust some health miss. We

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Speaker 1: chat about the miss around soy, dairy, binge, eating kito,

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Speaker 1: and gut health. Marika takes us through navigating nutritional messages

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Speaker 1: online and on social media, plus how we can balance

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Speaker 1: nutrition and health. I just know you guys are going

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Speaker 1: to love this episode. Let's get straight into it. Hi, Marika,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. So as this is the Rise and

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Speaker 1: Conquer podcast, what is one thing big or small that

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Speaker 1: you are rising up and conquering this week?

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Speaker 2: So this week my rise up and conquer is with

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Speaker 2: my rehab. So I've injured my hip at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and I've been under strict instructions to do rehab every

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Speaker 2: single day. So I'm actually doing it, which is not

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Speaker 2: something that I used to do in the past. Whenever

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Speaker 1: Oh you poor thing, how did you do that?

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Speaker 2: And it's just, yeah, it's got a bit unmanageable.

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Speaker 1: It's given out. Oh you poor thing, Well, good luck

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Speaker 1: with that. Could you give the audience a quick snapshot

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I am a dietitian and nutritionist, and I

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Speaker 2: nutrition in a really simple manner. I think that there's

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Speaker 1: Amazing, And I was telling Marika off air that I

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Speaker 2: But it's not specific to the celery juice per se.

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Speaker 2: So essentially, you can absolutely lose weight doing a keto diet,

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Speaker 1: Amazing, that's so interesting. I remember I am a big

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Speaker 1: rather than you know, getting this wishy washy stuff of

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Speaker 1: social media.

435
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Speaker 2: It's really hard because there is and that's the thing

436
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Speaker 2: with the nutrition and science is that nutrition science is

437
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: ever evolving, So what is true today won't be true

438
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: in two years time, in five years time, in ten

439
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: years time, and that really frustrates people. And I can

440
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: understand the frustration, but that's just the nature of it,

441
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: and we need to sort of understand that it's ever

442
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: evolving and we never will have black and white when

443
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: it comes to nutrition science. So I think that the

444
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: big thing then is to be careful of people who

445
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 2: are saying that it's black and white, because it's not.

446
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: And if somebody's saying if somebody's saying that this is

447
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: a miracle cure or you know, this is the only

448
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: way to do something, then they are actually incorrect because

449
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: there are so many ways to eat healthy. There are

450
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: so many ways to eat for certain conditions. Maybe with

451
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: the exception of Celiac disease, it's only way one way

452
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Speaker 2: to eat for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, agree. Something that I kind of steer away

454
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Speaker 1: from when I'm looking at, you know, health people to

455
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: follow and that sort of thing is if they are

456
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Speaker 1: I guess the best way can describe is like, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: if they're dogma about if they have dogma about a

458
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: certain way, like they're like, no, you can only use

459
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: keto to lose weight, and keto, you know, cures all

460
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: these things. And if they're like very headstrong and they

461
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: only think one way, that's when I'm like, yeah, no,

462
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: this is not my person.

463
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I think that's definitely one thing everyone

464
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: really should be doing. The other thing is just to

465
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: start to question, you know, who is telling them the

466
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Speaker 2: information as well, because there's so many people out there

467
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Speaker 2: that are like everyone eats essentially, so everybody has an

468
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Speaker 2: opinion on food. Doesn't mean that everybody is qualified to

469
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Speaker 2: do so. And I think that where it sort of

470
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: comes down to is that, like, everyone knows their own

471
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: body really well, which is amazing, and you know, they

472
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Speaker 2: might find a way that works for them, but that

473
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that that that works for them is going

474
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Speaker 2: to work for everyone else. And a lot of people

475
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: sort of do that when they come to like their

476
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: own nutrition journeys and everything, is that they find a

477
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: way that works for them and then think, oh, great,

478
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: this is what's going to work for everyone. And I

479
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: think that's where hopefully health professionals differ is that we

480
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: can sort of go, Okay, well, you know, maybe this

481
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: one way works for us, but we recognize that there

482
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: is all of these different ways that might work for

483
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Speaker 2: different people and try not to push one certain way.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, that's amazing. I want to switch

485
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Speaker 1: gears and I want to chat to you about gut

486
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Speaker 1: and digestion health because I know you're a bit of

487
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Speaker 1: an expert in this field, which is very interesting because

488
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, this is quite a big

489
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Speaker 1: subject that we have in the health industry. So what

490
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Speaker 1: first comes to mind to me when we think digestive

491
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Speaker 1: health and gut health is leaky gut? Could you tell

492
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Speaker 1: us what is leaky gut? And you know, how do

493
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Speaker 1: we treat it? How do we know if we have

494
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Speaker 1: leaky gut?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so leaky gut is it's a bit of a

496
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Speaker 2: term that's been made up by sort of like the

497
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what industry, but it's a bit

498
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: of a marketing term. Essentially, the sort of correct term

499
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: for leaky gut is intestinal permeability. I mean again, it

500
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: sort of means the same thing, but it's not a

501
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: medical term, although it's been thrown around as a medical term.

502
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Speaker 2: Now what it is is in our intestine we have

503
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: essentially there is gaps between the cells in our intestines

504
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: because things need to get through. We need to absorb

505
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: nutrients and those sorts of things. But what those gaps

506
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: are there are called tight junctions, so they're quite small

507
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: gaps and they don't allow bigger particles of things to

508
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: get through. When we get leaky gut or intestinal permeability, essentially,

509
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: there's been some sort of damage that's happened to the

510
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: gut lining, which has meant that those type junctions have

511
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: become a little bit more loose or a little bit

512
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Speaker 2: more leaky, which can then allow any thing that can

513
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: come through. So whether it be like you know, different

514
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: parts of bacteria, different food particles, things that are not

515
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: supposed to get through the gut lining can come through

516
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: the gut lining and into the bloodstream. And obviously then

517
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: when you've got things that are not supposed to be

518
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: coming through the gut lining, it can trigger like an

519
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: inflammatory response because our immune system will kick off and

520
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: therefore like an inflammatory response because we are getting particles

521
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: coming through.

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Speaker 1: And so what sort of responses are we talking about here,

523
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Speaker 1: like what are the symptoms?

524
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing with leaky gut is essentially

525
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: leaky gut is a symptom itself. So when you are

526
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: diagnosed with like intestinal permeability or leaky gut, essentially it's

527
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: like being diagnosed with nausea. It's a symptom itself. It's

528
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: not the reason why, if that makes sense. So for example,

529
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Speaker 2: when you get nausea, it's like, okay, well this sucks,

530
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Speaker 2: but what's called in the nausea there's a reason why

531
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: you're nauseous, and so you know, it can be things

532
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: that cause intestinal permeanbility, and it can be as simple

533
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Speaker 2: as like if you have a big night on the alcohol,

534
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: then that can cause a leakiness in your gut and

535
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: it will come back. It will sort of repair itself

536
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: just naturally once you know your alcohol has been metabolized

537
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: and you sort of had that time to get it

538
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: out of your system and everything like that. So there

539
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: is certain like environmental things that can just acutely change

540
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: the permeability of the gut lining. But there are other conditions,

541
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Speaker 2: so things like inflammatory bol disease, long term poor diet, obesity,

542
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: and those sorts of things are looking like they might

543
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: be sort of underlying causes for this intestinal permeability. It's

544
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: not typically like a food that somebody's eaten that is

545
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: causing this leakiness of the gut. Which is something that's

546
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Speaker 2: really common to hear in the sort of wellness industry,

547
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: is that you know, gluten is causing my leaky gut,

548
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: and that would only be the case in like Celiac disease,

549
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: where there's a condition where the gluten is doing damage

550
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: to the gut lining.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so true. That's so interesting. Like I've heard about

552
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: leaky gut a lot, and I haven't heard it from

553
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: that perspective. So that is very enlightening. And so how

554
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: do we treat leaky gut? Or is that correct me?

555
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong in saying treat.

556
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: That's right, Well, it would be looking at the underlying cause.

557
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: So because you've got like inflammatory bowel disease, or is

558
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: it because you've been drinking excessively or another reason why

559
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: some people get it is if they eat a really

560
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: low fiber diet and their gut microbiome hasn't got much

561
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: fuel to feed on. What can actually happen is that

562
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: the gut microbiots up like essentially feeding on the lining

563
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: of the intestine, which can cause a leakiness. So having

564
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: a high fiber like you know, lots of different plants

565
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: in your diet can be you know, things that are

566
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: really beneficial. So I would say in terms of like

567
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: strategies to help filing a leaky gut would be firstly,

568
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: address the underlying cause of it if there is one,

569
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: so like the inflammatory bowel disease, celiac disease, those sorts

570
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: of big ones. Then look at improving your diet and lifestyle,

571
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: so things like avoiding smoking, avoiding excessive alcohol consumption, and

572
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: having a high fiber plant based diet.

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Speaker 1: Essentially amazing that it's so interesting, and so I wanted

574
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Speaker 1: to also talk about gut and digestive health, and I

575
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Speaker 1: was wondering, if you have any tips for the audience

576
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: if someone isn't regular, if you catch my drift.

577
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: I always thought for that because I see so much

578
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: ibs in my clinic. It's just a natural thing. And

579
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: some people get so awkward about poop chat and I'm like, nah,

580
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: I took that all the time.

581
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's chat poop Okay.

582
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So not being regular can be it can be

583
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: down to medical conditions, but it can also just be

584
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: down to poor diet and lifestyle. So if you not regular,

585
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 2: and I guess we should define what that is. What

586
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: would consider normal in terms of bowel movements is anything

587
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: from three times per day to three times per week.

588
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: So if is that normal, that's normal. So huge range

589
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: in normal. A lot of people are under the impression

590
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: that you need to go once a day or even

591
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: twice a day, and if you're not going every single day,

592
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: then there's a problem. But it's not necessarily provided that

593
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: you know you're not straining or having any difficulties when

594
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: you do go. As long as you're going at least

595
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: three times per week, then that can actually be considered

596
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: normal interesting, But if you are going less than that,

597
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: or if you're having trouble when you do open your bow,

598
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: so like I said, if you're straining, or if you're

599
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: feeling like you're not fully evacuating for lack of a

600
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: better word. If that's the case, then one of the

601
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: most important things is firstly to make sure that you're

602
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: getting adequate fluid in your diet. Because our large bow

603
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: reabsorbs fluid out of our stools, So if we're not

604
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: getting enough fluid in then essentially what's happening is we

605
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: can produce a really dry stool, which is really difficult

606
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: to move along and in some extreme cases can actually

607
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: cause blockages of the bow. So fluid absolutely making sure

608
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: you're getting plenty of water in the other thing is

609
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: to look at are you getting in enough fiber in

610
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: your diet, because fiber provides like the roughage for our

611
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: bowel movements. So if you're eating a really low fiber

612
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: so like a highly processed diet, then it can be

613
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: really challenging to be moving your boughs regularly.

614
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: What are some example foods of fiber.

615
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fiber. It comes from plant based foods, So

616
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: really good sources of fiber include our fruits and vegetables,

617
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: whole grains as opposed to like refined grains that comes

618
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: from our legumes lentils, and then things like nuts and

619
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: seeds as well.

620
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Speaker 1: Amazing.

621
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Then you can look at some sort of natural remedies

622
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: for bowel movements, So keeping things regular, so things like

623
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: cilium husk is amazing, chips seeds can be amazing. Or

624
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: the other go too is like prunes or prune juice

625
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: or pear juice as well can be really good to

626
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: get things moving along.

627
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: And so I just kind of had this thought right

628
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Speaker 1: then as you were chatting. But my next question is like,

629
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Speaker 1: you know, what's what if it's the opposite where you're

630
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: too regular. But before we get into that, I just

631
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: did want to say I personally, and again this is

632
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: just my personal experience. I'm not a medical professional, but

633
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: back in the day when I was hardcore dieting, I

634
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: noticed I had a lot of issues with being regular

635
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: and you know, passing my bows and all that sort

636
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then I notice and you know, I

637
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: had these gut issues and I'd be you know, certain

638
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: foods were so sensitive and all these kind of like

639
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: gut issues. And then I did notice when my eating

640
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: intake went up or you know, just normal where I

641
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: hrs fall and that sort of thing, rather than under eating,

642
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: I noticed like a lot of my poop, my poop

643
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: issues and gut issues kind of went away. Does that

644
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: make any sense to.

645
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, it does absolutely, because if you're under eating,

646
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: you haven't got much volume moving through your bow. The

647
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: other thing is, like, if you're restricting carbohydrates as well,

648
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: you're restricting a lot of fiber sources, and in particular,

649
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: like some of your statchy veggies and those things like

650
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: potato and like even like rice and those sorts of things,

651
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: they provide like a lot of like bulk and substance

652
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: for creating a vowel motion. So if you're avoiding those

653
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: sorts of foods, then absolutely it can slow down your

654
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: bow motions. The other thing is if you're really stressed,

655
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: and stress might be like a psychological stress from dieting,

656
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: and also in some people slow down their bowel movements

657
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: as well, so reduce the regularity that they go to

658
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: the bathroom. So it could be a combination of those things.

659
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's really common.

660
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: So interesting, I like just thought of that before. And yeah,

661
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: so back to my other question, So what if someone

662
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: is the opposite when they're you know, too regular And

663
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: it is interesting because I didn't realize that up to

664
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: three times a day was normal.

665
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, So again it comes down to what's

666
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: normal for the individual. Like if you are normal for

667
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: you is going once a day, then all of a

668
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: sudden you're going three times a day, then that's obviously

669
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: not normal for you. So you sort of got to

670
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: think about what has been your normal as well, rather

671
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: than just what's considered normal. So there's a couple of

672
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: reasons again why we'll obviously acutely like if you've got

673
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: food poisoning or something like that, but things like ibs

674
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: as well can be a really common reason why people

675
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: are going to the bathroom more frequently. So irritable bow

676
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: syndrome in terms of what we can do about it,

677
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: diarrhea or like going to the bathroom more frequently is

678
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: one that is worthwhile. I mean, both are looking at

679
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: the medical sort of the underpinning medical reason why if

680
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: there has been a rapid change in your bowl movements,

681
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: whether it be to slow down or speed up. It

682
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: is worthwhile going to your GP and just ruling out

683
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: any sort of underlying medical conditions that might be the

684
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: reason behind that. But things that you can do to

685
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: improve it is one is actually to look at your

686
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: stress levels, because a lot of people do get anxiety

687
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: or stress related diarrhea. It's this like dut brain connection

688
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: that we have, and as soon as we initiate our

689
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: fight or flight response, essentially our bows clear out. And

690
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: so a lot of people like nervous poops.

691
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: And this is me. I'm the nervous prooper. I can

692
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: even be like it's not even nervous. I can be

693
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: like excited, and I'm like, oh my gosh.

694
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: So like if that's a reason for you, either just

695
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: accept that that's a reason. Like that you can get

696
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: excited that you're going to go to the bathroom and

697
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: that's totally fine. But more problem than maybe looking at

698
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: you know, meditation and mindfulness and more of those other

699
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: strategies to try and reduce down stress and anxiety. The

700
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: other thing is like there is some common dietary triggers

701
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: that can cause So coffee again is a really common

702
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: oh yeah, dietary trigger people to move their valve. It's

703
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing. Like if coffee helped her

704
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: out in the morning, then fantastic.

705
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: I love coffee, or even like pre workout like me

706
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: and my friends are like, just did a pre worker poop.

707
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's so like if it's in your schedule

708
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: and like it's normal and it's not like you know,

709
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: diary y things like that. Yeah, yeah, necessarily bad.

710
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: But the other thing is it's really interesting is not

711
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: everybody gets that. So I actually don't get that, Like

712
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: I don't get the whole coffee poop. My partner thinks

713
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm really weird because as soon as he has a coffee,

714
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: like I probably shouldn't be disclosing my partner.

715
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm disclosing mine, so come on a free for

716
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: all now. No, I'm like I know this. I'm probably

717
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: the people probably like things really gross. But no, I

718
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: can sometimes and it's lucky little the other day, tim

719
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: but I can sometimes smell coffee and it makes I'm like, oh,

720
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: I've got to It's like ridiculous. I'm so sensitive to

721
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: cafe and I can't have more than two coffees a

722
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: day because yeah, I know, I think that's.

723
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: Where you've got to draw the line is you've got

724
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: to work out with those sorts of triggers. Is what's

725
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: it worth to you. It's not doing damage to your

726
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: gut by having them, but if it's causing you upset

727
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: and you know, if it's explosive or you know, coming

728
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: problem and I'll wine back on it. Sorry, stop laughing now,

729
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: I just got.

730
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: To disclosed Mine is an explosive and it's just normal,

731
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: a great poop in the morning.

732
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Just put the picture back in everyone's mine.

733
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Yes, So we should probably move on from the.

734
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: Other common trigger for that is like spicy foods even

735
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: can be quite a trigger. Now, things that you can

736
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: do about it, like I said, is obviously avoid those

737
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: common triggers. But the other thing, if you're having too

738
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: much fiber in your diet, you can also have this problem.

739
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: And the definition of too much fiber is there's not

740
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: really one, but essentially if you are eating the other

741
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: the other one can explain this is I've seen clients

742
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: who are mostly they're typically like vegetarian or vegan people

743
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: who are eating so much veggies and plants that that's

744
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: essentially like their entire diet, like every single every single

745
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: snack is veggies, and they're just getting in so much

746
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: fiber that they've got so much going through them that

747
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: it's causing them digestive upset. So having a look, and

748
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: I'd suggest if you think it's that, then it'd probably

749
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: be worth while working with a health professional just to

750
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: make sure you don't want to, you know, go low

751
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: in your fiber, but you might not need as much

752
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: as what you are having.

753
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really interesting. It's kind of a basis

754
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: for a lot of stuff that like there's sometimes is

755
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: too much of a good thing, Yes, exactly, Really about

756
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: finding that balance for your body and what work with

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: your body.

758
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. On that note, I always say there's everything's poison

759
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: that it depends on the dose. So like even water

760
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: will kill you if you drink ten liters of one sitting,

761
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's obviously a very healthy thing that we

762
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: need in our life.

763
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so true. And so lastly, I wanted to end

764
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: on a subject that I personally have dealt with. I

765
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: have friends who have dealt with it, and it's a

766
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: question that I often get DMS about. Oh, you know,

767
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: when I do a Q and a thing on you know,

768
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Instagram or something like that, or YouTube. It's a question

769
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: that constantly gets asked and so obviously I have personal

770
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: experience from it. But that's it. So I did want

771
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: to talk to you as you are a health professional,

772
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: and so let's chat about binge eating. So, like I said,

773
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: I do have some personal experience with it, to be

774
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: completely honest, mine was a lot when I was dieting

775
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. I had a lot of kind

776
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: of binge eating scenarios and issues. But I did find

777
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: as soon as I and also I know people call

778
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: it like binge eating and emotional eating, and I definitely

779
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: experienced that a lot. But I noticed as soon as

780
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: I stopped dieting, it just completely went away and I

781
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: didn't experience it anymore. But obviously that is my personal opinion.

782
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Let's have a chat about that. What are your thoughts

783
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: and do you have any tips for breaking free from

784
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: binge eating?

785
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think what your use sort of experience

786
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: is really really common, and one really great analogy I

787
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: use to explain that sort of phenomenon is that if

788
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: you were to hold your breath for a period of time,

789
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: or another way to think about it is if you

790
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: were to block your nose and breathe only through a straw,

791
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: so you had like restricted input. Essentially, when you eventually

792
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: got or if you had spent you know, five minutes

793
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: breathing through a straw and blocked your nose and you

794
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: only had this really narrow pathway of breathing where you're

795
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: restricted with your air intake, Eventually your entire thoughts would

796
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: become consumed by getting a bigger amount of air because

797
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: you are restricting something that's so important to survival. Air

798
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: is so important. And then eventually when you do take

799
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: out that straw, and you're going to want to take

800
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: it out at some point otherwise you're just going to die.

801
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: But when you do take out that straw, you were

802
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: going to take some bigger gasps of air because you've

803
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: restricted yourself for a period of time. The same goes

804
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: with sleep. If you were to only sleep for two

805
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: hours a night for a week, by the end of

806
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: the week, you're going to start thinking about sleep the

807
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: entire time. You're not going to be able to think

808
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: about anything else. And as soon as you get the

809
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: opportunity to get more than two hours sleep at night,

810
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: you're going to probably sleep for like twelve hours. You're

811
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: going to make up for some of it and against

812
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Sleep and air are some like two of the most

813
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: basic sort of needs that we have as a human,

814
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: But one of the other ones is food. And I

815
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: think that when I put those analogies in there, people

816
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: are like, oh wow, I just never thought about food

817
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: in that sense that if we restrict out take so

818
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: extreme extremely that we feel that sense of deprivation, we

819
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: can't stop thinking about food. It's all our thoughts are

820
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: consumed by it because we're restricting it so much that

821
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: it's only like a fit natural physiological response to want

822
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: to over consume at some point when you do give

823
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: yourself a break to do that. And like I said before,

824
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: with those analogies, it's exactly what would happen when you

825
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: restrict another essential human need. Really, So that's why that

826
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: dieting sort of thing makes sense, is that when you

827
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: are restricting yourself, there is actually a physiological want and

828
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: need to increase energy intake. So it's not just about

829
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: willpower in that sense, it's about you are restricting something

830
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: that's so basic. Such a basic need of a human

831
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: is adequate energy intake. So I completely agree with you

832
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: on that and moving away from restrictive dieting is a

833
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 2: really great way to combat and obviously that is quite

834
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: challenging in itself, as you will know. The other thing

835
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: is if it is coming from more of like emotional

836
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: and emotional standpoint is getting to understand then why what

837
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: is it that you're trying to satiate when it comes

838
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: to food, Because typically it's not a hunger if it's

839
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: that emotional stuff. So, like I said, if it was

840
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: like they binge eating where you've been restricting and it

841
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: really is that like physiological need for food. If it's

842
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: not that and it's more a psychological need, then starting

843
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: to understand why am I eating is a really great

844
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: starting point. And that's actually like one really practical tip

845
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: that I get, like a lot of my clients to

846
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: do is start to even just journal around when they're eating.

847
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: What is the reason why for eating? And it's not

848
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: about like creating judgment or anything like that. It's about curiosity.

849
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: So for example, lunch did I why did I have lunch?

850
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: Was it because I was hungry? Was it because I

851
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: wanted to take a break from my work? Was it

852
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: because you know, my partner brought me lunch into the office.

853
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: What was the reason. And like I said, it's not

854
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: about creating judgment, it's just about understanding why. Because if

855
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: you start to see like a pattern of that why,

856
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: then you can start to address it. Whereas if you

857
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: don't even have awareness to what the why is behind

858
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: you're eating, then you really can't get to the bottom,

859
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: like the root cause of the emotional eating or the

860
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: binge eating.

861
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. So you're saying being more aware

862
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: and kind of getting to the trigger or the underlying reason.

863
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like, for example, a lot of people

864
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: find that, you know, one of the reasons why they

865
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: emotionally eat is because they are stressed, is a really

866
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: common one. So when they're stressed. This is me. Actually,

867
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Speaker 2: I emotionally eat when I'm stressed. I like, it's it's

868
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Speaker 2: something for me to do that's pleasurable. And so I've

869
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Speaker 2: had to work through this whole why thing for myself

870
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: with my stress when I'm stressing. And so what I

871
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: did was I would find myself in the kitchen, like

872
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: I came RecA like why are you here? Like are

873
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: you hungry? And I'm like, okay, no, I'm not hungry,

874
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Speaker 2: So then why am I here? And what I found

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Speaker 2: by doing that on a regular basis. It was when

876
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: I was feeling stressed or overwhelmed, or that I couldn't

877
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: like control something with my work that I would always

878
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: like And I'm such a foodie that food has always

879
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: given me pleasure and so when essentially I was finding

880
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: that I was lacking pleasure in other aspects of my life. So,

881
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: for example, with if work was becoming stressful and I

882
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: needed some sort of like hit of pleasure, food was

883
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: a really great thing for me to go to for

884
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: a hit of pleasure. Now, obviously if you do that

885
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: on a regular basis great because you end up you know,

886
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: over consuming or you're not managing the actual underlying problem,

887
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: which is just that I was stressed and needed to

888
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: come up with other strategies for managing my stress. So

889
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Speaker 2: I think that it's really important to get to know

890
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: that why. And it might take you know, weeks or

891
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: months even to really start to get to the bottom

892
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: of that why, but it's such an important project to

893
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: work on understanding why you do the things that you do, because,

894
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: like I said, you can't make a change to something

895
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: if you don't even understand why you're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I resonate with that so much. I actually, back

897
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: when I used to work corporate, I actually had a

898
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: similar situation where I realized that it was either stress

899
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: overwhelm or more like anxiety. I remember I used to work.

900
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: I obviously used to work and not obsolve, but I

901
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: used to work in a law firm and in the afternoon,

902
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I get, you know, this email from my bus or

903
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: something saying, you know, this needs to be done, has

904
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: to be done by today. And I used to instantly

905
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: because I used to have snacks my draw because that's

906
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: my person, and I used to reach for my snacks

907
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: and it would definitely be chocolate or just you know,

908
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: my favorite food, because I'd be so anxious that I

909
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get this done by the end

910
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: of the day, or you know, stress that one hundred

911
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: percent what you said about that was for me. It

912
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: was more about being comforted, Like, you know, I can

913
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: be stressed and have anxiety, but at least I can

914
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: feel better because I love the taste of chocolate. So

915
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: I definitely resonate with that. And it took me, Like

916
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: it sounds so simple that I'm saying it to you,

917
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: but it did take me so long to even realize

918
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: that's what was happening.

919
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: No, it's not silly at all like that, Like that's

920
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: what I mean. It can take months to even realize that,

921
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: like make that connection. And that's why I think it's

922
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: so important for other people to hear like your story

923
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: as well. Is because it's a slow process, but it's

924
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: a process worthwhile.

925
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, one hundred percent. And I absolutely love that.

926
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: And I know that you do have a really good

927
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: blog post on binge eating, which I will put in

928
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: the show notes because if people want to read up

929
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: on that more, I definitely recommend to go check that out.

930
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: And so I know I said that was my last question,

931
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: but I've got more for you know, something new that

932
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: I am doing as I'm asking my interesting speakers if

933
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: they have a recommendation for the Rise and Conquer audience.

934
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I know that my community is really into you know,

935
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: self development and improving themselves and reading and listening to

936
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: podcasts and all that sort of stuff. So do you

937
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: have a recommendation for the audience, whether it's a book

938
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: or a podcast or you know, a documentary, a movie anything.

939
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm actually listening to an audible at the moment,

940
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: Atomic habits and new habits amazing. Yeah, So it's it's

941
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: all about, yeah, obviously habits and creating and breaking and

942
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: forming habits. And I think it's really really good for

943
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: all aspects of life. So whether it's like new wanting

944
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: to create new healthy habits, whether it's creating routines, and

945
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: even like from a business perspective, like creating just a

946
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: business around like other habits as well. So I found

947
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: it really beneficial from a health perspective but also a

948
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: business perspective listening to that book. So I'm about three

949
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: quarters the way through and I've learned so much as well.

950
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: Amazing. And so who's the author?

951
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: Oh, you're gonna get me on that one.

952
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I like, that's all right.

953
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: There is actually another really good habit book that I

954
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: read a couple of years ago, which is called The

955
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: Power of Habit, and that's by Charles or his Dunghill

956
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: or something like that. Yeah, both are very good, amazing.

957
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm actually reading a book at the moment. It's called

958
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself, and it's basically about

959
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: kind of similar in like reprogramming your brain so you can,

960
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, introduce new habits and that sort of side

961
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: of things.

962
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, so that's interesting that you said that. I'll

963
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: definitely have to get that on audible. Yeah, it's so good,

964
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: definitely recommend it. Well. Thank you so much, Marika. You

965
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: are definitely a breath of fresh air. Thank you so

966
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: much for sharing your wisdom and where can the audience

967
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: find you?

968
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I hang out

969
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: mostly on Instagram, probably spend too much time on there,

970
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: and my Instagram handle is just my name, so at Marika.

971
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: Day amazing and I'll make sure I put that in

972
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: the show notes and your website and all that good stuff.

973
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean, have an amazing day.

974
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: Thank you you too.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening into this week's episode. If

976
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985
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