WEBVTT - Does Jared Leto Have A Cult? 🛐 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.080 The Flex and Rooms daily podcast. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.920 It's Flex and Rooms back for your daily podcast catch up. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.319 I almost wish it was seven days because sometimes on 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.320 the weekend, I know, for me personally, I run out 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.600 of content to consume on the weekend. So I've done 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.920 all my daily potties. I've done them. There's nothing fresh 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.800 coming out. I'm just rinsing and repeating, hoping TikTok showing 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.080 something fresh, new and fun. And YouTube has been dry. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.760 I don't know if you on YouTube I am. It's 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:37.360 not much there. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.680 But I've been listening to the same song unlock It, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.760 unlock it, better off alone. It's the mix of lock it, 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:48.280 lock it, lock lock, lock it. Oh, she's locked. The iPad, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.440 the bootleg iPad that Caita has given us, has been 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.320 shut to rooms down on the floor. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.520 I told you that because of COVID, I got clumsy. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.360 Like you'll know that. I'm constantly dropping things. That's not me. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.600 It is though, Bixby Brain, Bixby Brain. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.120 I've done. I've leveled up, got XP. This is the 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.440 new breed of Flex. He's clumsy. I think it makes 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.240 me feel more human. Actually, it's like a software fault. Yes, 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.680 need an upgrade. I think I had it. I think 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.280 this is like I'm creating parts of my identity that 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:26.160 are endearing. Clumsiness, it's endearing. Not just a robot. This 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.800 is flex and frooms on Kada. Do you know Jared 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.440 Ley though I do. For those who might not know him, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.080 I guess he's been in what was that movie Harley 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.120 Quinn Suicide Squad and he was complaining that he wanted 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.920 the longer roll. He didn't get the longer role. He 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.920 was like freaking out. Oh he thought he was gonna 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.160 have like a big part in it and it was 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.440 like a minor part. He hated that he was also 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.720 in a band called thirty Seconds to Mars. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.960 Do they still make music? Maybe that was a real 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:53.920 moment in the mid. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.120 Anyway, he's famous, you know, and you don't even need 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.880 to know him to care about what I'm going to 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.080 say about him. But Jared leto Liedo either or I 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.360 think it's the accent that's confusing us. Has a cult. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.440 He is a cult leader. See how I just pop 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.360 that in there a bit of surprise. He fully has 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.080 a cult. And this is not one of those things 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.519 where people have observed him and have been like I 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.880 wonder if that's no. He said, point blank, period, this 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.600 is a cult. Let me find the information for you first. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.200 What I think is really awesome is have you seen 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.160 the pictures of him the all white We'll get into 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.960 that later. It was August twenty nineteen, roughly three years ago, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.160 where these photos emerge on Twitter of Jared Leto standing 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.840 in a sea of hundreds of people wearing all white 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.320 on some remote island in Croatia. He captioned it, Yes, 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:52.880 this is a cult. I'm confused, what does he mean anyway? 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:53.399 Then? 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.560 So basically he has this name for his cult. They 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.720 called Eschalon. They hang out on Camp Mars on Mars 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:06.520 Island in Croatia. Super Fans of the band pay, like 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.840 I think it's like seven thousand dollars a ticket for 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.320 a three day weekend pass to go to this thing. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.440 I'm pretty sure they were on Mars Island when COVID 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.800 was announced for the first time something like that. I 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.560 would fact check it further, but there's no need. Just 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.239 run with it. Run with it, which makes me think, Right, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.680 a lot of weird stuff, cook stuff happens in Hollywood, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.760 and I feel like because Hollywood by nature sells us fantasy. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.000 We're not really clocking when things are on a new 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:45.040 scale of unbelievable and very dangerous and weird on this retreat, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.520 this this cult retreat. They all get matching tattoos. It 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.600 is deep in it, and nobody's saying anything about it. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.040 We had a whole episode theorizing whether or not Leam 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:03.840 Michelle is illiterate. Whole members of Hollywood have cults. Oh, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.720 we've just not talked about it. Would you would you 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.520 not join? I'd go, you'd go, but you're not going 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.760 to join. I mean, I think it's attending counts as 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.240 joining that I've joined. I would it not go? 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.320 You would not go if you got a free ticket? 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:19.560 Oh, I'm posting? 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.479 Uh really absolutely? 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:22.599 Why would you not go? 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.720 Because maybe his beliefs are like, not aligned to mine. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.240 I don't want to be associated with him. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.800 They're learning yoga, babes, they're doing a few few utuls. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.800 They might sing, what's your reason not to go? 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.160 I just want to be contrarian. I don't like him. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.400 I've heard some alleged rumors. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.360 I believe the more so do I. But we'll say 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.359 alleged because we have taken a course with the legal 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.479 team we know what defamation is not interesting, and we 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:53.960 will not be defaming anyone flex and froos. Like we 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.600 always say, the nonsense never ceases. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.240 It's really it's it never stops. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.960 That is the line. Unofficial. I think we can still 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.120 workshop it. But again, the nonsense never ceases. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.600 I was gonna say, nonsense never stops. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.640 I like ceases. Cool, the nonsense never stops. That's quite good. Actually, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.640 I take it back. Here's the thing. I'm really into 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:22.599 self development, but only in like a in a theoretical way, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.080 like I like to learn about it. I don't want 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.600 to apply any of it. There's not enough time on 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.520 earth to be better at everything. Gotta be a little 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:43.440 bit toxic. How do you say? Elas? I was literally googling, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.920 because every now and then I just google self development, news, hacks, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.160 psychology to see what it comes up. I don't know 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.080 what I came across, but whatever article it was was 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.320 referencing the seven Deadly sins. I said, this is a 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.680 concept from back in the days, and we've just come 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.159 off the back of Easter. I feel like it's only 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.160 fair that we take it back. I don't know what 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.160 time it was back anyway, I didn't even remember what 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.480 the seven Deadly sins were, so googled it. Yeah, I 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:12.880 guess them. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:23.040 Lust, yes, greed, umm yes, gluttony yes, pride, pride, wrath, wrath, sloth. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.839 So you've got pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, sloth. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:28.640 Cool. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:29.720 I quite like. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:30.280 All of those. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.960 And so for those of you who don't know, the 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.480 seven Deadly sins are behaviors or habits that are classified 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:43.800 under this category and they allegedly give rise to other immortalities. Basically, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.440 they're a gateweight drug. If you let yourself give into 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.839 these seven deadly sins, you'll be a worldly babe. True, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:54.800 you'll be the problem. Which made me think, which seven 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.120 deadly sin do you think has ruined your life the 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:03.479 most to date? That's a right one, literally, because I 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.600 feel like we struggle with all of them, but the 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.159 most mine. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:12.560 Yeah, for sure, pride, pride. Okay, I say that for you. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.520 Pride will let me do some crazy things, and I've 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.360 been working on it. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.640 But do you reckon? You've always been someone that has 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:21.400 a lot of pride. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.640 No, No, it was stilled into me, told you, babe. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:29.760 I'm Elizabeth's daughter. She gave me birth to me with 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.440 the biggest ego used to come back from school and 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.560 say like, oh, this person was annoying to me. She'd 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.640 be like, if anyone is mean to you, number one, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.040 they're jealous. They want to be you. You are my daughter. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.480 Do you know how rare that is? How many other 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:52.440 people can say hm hm that they're my daughter. If 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:58.320 anyone says anything to you, pay them no mind. Wow, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.000 every day of your life, how can there's no coming 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.320 down from that? Even on my most humble days, I'm 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.160 still fighting demons on the inside. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.320 I think that's a good deadly sin. Pride, Yeah, I 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:13.560 think we need more pride. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:14.440 Yeah. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.520 I think pride is a huge part of your success. Yeah, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.480 it might be it. It might be the reason the undoing. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.080 Could you remind me what they all are against? I 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:23.880 can definitely do that. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:32.199 The seven deadly sins are pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, sloth. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.319 It's giving gluttony, really definitely gluttony. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.440 You're saying gluttony is the one that's ruined your life 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.439 the most. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.560 What happened, I did eat about three Easter eggs pride 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.640 of these big ones you did while we were eating, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.680 I was really trying hard not to consume them while 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.400 we were talking. You did well. It's definitely not last Potentially, pride. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.400 Envy is probably a big one. I'd say envy actually 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.160 get jealous? 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.560 Do you get jealous of what, in particular, things that 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.920 you think you can get that you don't have, or 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.199 things that feel so far out of your reach. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.800 Things that I know I can get if I applied 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.240 myself in different ways, But I don't know the exact 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.560 path there, so I'm just kind of like, oh, why 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.280 are they doing that? I want to do that, but 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.840 it's only ever when I need to do better things myself. Yeah, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.400 I use it as a guide. It's definitely very ugly 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.720 and it has been unhelpful in prior lifetimes for me. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.120 I feel that. Can I tell you something though? I 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.000 read that the seven deadly sins can be overcome defeated 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.680 by the seven deadly virtues. What are they or what 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.880 are they? You're saying I can overcome the bad with 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.160 the good, Yeah, babe, you can. The seven deadly virtues 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:51.280 are humility, hate it, I get rid of that, charity, chastity, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.760 it's too late, Gratitude, Yeah, that's good, temperance. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.240 Yeah, what's the temperance? 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.640 Everything in moderation, I'm not about that, okay. Patience yep, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.720 and diligence, yeah, I relate to that. I feel better already. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.080 They need to change. Just read about changing, and that 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.200 is a gift in itself. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.560 Flex and frooms. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.400 You literally have to ask us a total of zero 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.559 times to talk about love, dating, romance and to give 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.959 you advice on it. Don't even ask us, and we'll 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:24.480 do it anyway. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.079 I told myself it wasn't going to be one of 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.120 those shows. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.520 It always is. We're one trick ponies. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.360 It doesn't get better. Well, today we're doing a love line. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.800 That's where our friends, our viewers. Sometimes we find them 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:37.079 on the. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.760 Internet, fans, frenemies, they foolish people. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.080 They send in their love dilemmas, we discuss and then 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.600 we prescribe them a song that might help them get 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.160 through their woes. Here's one from today. I'm going to 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.040 read it out. I've been seeing a guy as FWB 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.559 Friends with Benefits for about four months now, and I've 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:01.520 caught feelings. I'm just going to there. Yeah, that's friends 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.280 with Benefits. Yeah, I can tell he doesn't feel the 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.160 same way, and I need even worse, and I know 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.000 he still isn't looking for anything serious with you. We 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.600 have amazing sex and a great connection, and he's so 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.440 hot and cold with me. Things are just getting super confusing. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.920 I've lost a lot of interest recently and have tried 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.040 to slowly taper things off, but I feel as if 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.280 he has noticed and has tried to put more effort 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.680 in and plan dates with me. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.080 It's nice for a bit, you're friends with benefits go 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.840 on dates. Yeah, oh, they're friends. They're friends. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.240 It's sounding a bit convoluted. It's nice for a bit, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.200 But then he randomly ghosts me for a few days 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.040 and then comes back like he's playing mind games to 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.839 keep me hooked. Is it ghosting? If it's a few days, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.680 we're going to discuss that. It really just puts me 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.200 off even more. He also moved an hour away. Blah 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.280 blah blah. We have a date planned Tuesday night strong 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.319 He's planning to drive to see me, and I'm ready 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.400 to end things for good now. Ooh, I don't know 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.320 if I should wait until the date or do it 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.319 in person, or wait until after. It'd be nice to 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.800 see him one more time, but I'm not sure if 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.320 that's a good idea. I don't know what to say 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.760 after I've already agreed to the date. Should I text 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.600 him before or should we go on the date? 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:14.760 Shall I go first? 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:15.240 Please? 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.880 I don't mean to be brutal, goes with with a 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.240 hammer of death, kicks you while you're down. I don't 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.160 mean to be brutal, but this person. This woman started 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.600 off the message with, I've been dating this guy, not 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.240 even dating friends with benefits, for four months. I've known 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.440 from the jump he doesn't want anything, but I've caught feelings. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.200 Then goes on to talk about all the ways that 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.679 this guy has affirmed what she knows to be true. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.880 He's hot and cold because he doesn't want anything. He's 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.240 dropping off because he doesn't want anything. He's available to 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.480 root because that's what he wants. And then she's crafted 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.240 this story around should I break up with him? Should 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.760 I not? He's not thinking about you like that, babe, 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.280 Like you would love for it to be more than 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.400 it is, because that validates all that you're feeling. But 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.960 the fact of the matter is you're feeling something for 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.679 someone who doesn't want anything with you. And as the 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.520 final act of the biggest power play, there is. You're 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.200 gonna allow him to drive an hour to see you 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.959 so you can break up with him because it would 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.040 be quote unquote nice to see him one more time. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.839 The devil is moving through you. You are Jigsaw. This 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.600 is a horror movie and you are the star. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.840 That's like, that's perfect. Should he come over or should 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.080 she just text him? 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.160 She's just text him. I this is one of those 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.720 things where people believe honesty is the best policy. Openness 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.240 is good for closure. Closure is a myth, no matter 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.080 how you spin it. I think that she's hoping that 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.679 if she sees him one more time and gives him 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.600 an ultimatum that he'll pick her, he'll choose her, pick me, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.920 choose me, love me. If she were really thinking about 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.840 herself in the situation, it is much better for you, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.640 your ego, your self esteem, and your sense of self 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.840 to let this person know how they've made you feel 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.720 and cut it off. Send them a text. Hey, I 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.240 know we agreed to go on a date, but here's 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.600 the thing. I can't do this anymore. It's been four months. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.520 I really like you. I recognize you don't want anything. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.120 I no longer can do this thing with you. You're trying 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.160 to be an alchemist. You're trying to move all the 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.000 pieces yourself. You're playing god. You think that if I 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.800 do this and do this, he'll do this. It's not 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.560 how it works. People are not rational, and especially in 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.000 these precarious friends with benefit situation, you are trying to 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.880 build on a shaky foundation. It isn't gonna work. It 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.520 was never going to work. Let yourself go, start fresh 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.720 with someone who wants what you want, when you want it. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.880 I tend to agree. I think definitely do the text message, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.680 perhaps end it with like, if you want to catch 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.960 up to clarify that we can, because I think some 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.280 people like don't do stuff over text, but I totally agree. Yeah, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.600 if he's not that into it, a text is wonderful 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.640 for him. And also it gives you time when you 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.000 get a text to let it sink in and formulate 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.040 what you want to say. Because when you're on the spot, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.520 I get it. When we do the show, when you're 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.840 on the spot, the brain beat, little monkey, Yeah, symbols, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.160 clap clap, clap, clut. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.840 This is flex and frooms on kit. You might think 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.080 we're just here running a radio show, but in fact 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:32.040 we've been doing weeks of market research to decipher if 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.920 the world can be split into a binary of sorts, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.920 two types of people, folders and scrunches, dark mode users 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.920 versus lightmode users, ha harvest, loll people. There's plenty of 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.880 stuff to argue about, and we do it well. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.840 We know the hahat and loll was really divisive that 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.200 when I shop into my core. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.760 It was a tricky one, but I think we landed 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:55.480 on the heh. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.680 Yeah, a happy medium. Yeah. You and I post on 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.280 social media constantly at least once a day. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.080 At least once a day. That's not what are you 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:07.880 talking about? 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.320 What are you? 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.080 At least it's at least like fifteen times a day. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.400 If I could do it once a day and be done, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:15.560 could you imagine? 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:16.800 Have you ever done that? 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:18.520 I look off sometimes? 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.800 Yeah? Do you miss it? When you look off? 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.960 It feels rebellious. Yeah, it feels like it's not in 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.120 my best interest. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.920 Right, So you're doing it out of interest? Yeah, that's 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.000 what I want to actually know about you. Are you 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:32.720 someone that cares about likes? 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.200 No? Really, If I cared about likes, do you think 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.600 i'd be shadow band all the time? I'm posting red 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.880 heart content and Zack is like, get it off. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.200 See do you think your shadow band because you're not 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:45.080 getting likes? 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 Nobody I am. People could not search me, I couldn't 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.640 use paid partnership tools. I was ineligible to use the 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.200 ad function. Yeah, babe, really tell you why. Because you 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.840 post much red hot stuff and you keep getting they 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.400 flag it as inappropriate content, so you get. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.280 Reported, get reported. I hate it when people report me. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.320 The thing about shadow banding is people post shit content 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.520 to get shadow band But my Internet strategy is not 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.520 posting what other people post. Like. I have a very 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.240 specific flex Bami brand of doing the Internet, which means 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.240 it's not comparable to other people to the Internet. Therefore 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.159 it's no likes to check. And also fun tip, I 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.760 was getting paid from Instagram, not by Instagram. Way before 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.600 I had followers, I was ten k followers making stacks. 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.520 So really yeah, That's why I'm not big on like 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.720 I need more likes and more followers because I had 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:39.880 opportunities before them. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.280 So if you post a selfie and it doesn't get 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:43.840 many likes, you're cool with that. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.280 Yeah. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.040 I think sometimes when you get a blue ticket feels 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.440 like I need to be blue tick behavior. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.639 When'd you get blue ticked six months ago? Oh, fairly 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.679 regularly recent Yeah, changed me. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.840 How do you feel about blue tick Lifestyle? 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.399 Been a blue ticker for about eight no, six years? Okay, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.720 this is what I'm saying. Okay, so for me, asked 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.760 me if I care about likes. I don't, and that's 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.680 because I was validated by the Internet in a different way, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.359 so likes didn't matter as much. I think when people 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:21.040 are validated likes first, and then success after or coins after, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.879 then the likes become the thing that you're extra focused on. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.760 But I only started the Instagram because I was a DJ. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:30.159 Ah. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.240 I'm like, oh, I'm a DJ, I need to have 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.800 an Instagram. So I made the Instagram, right, I'm already 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.680 a TV presenter at another network. I need to post 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.680 on Instagram because of that. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.240 Ah. I see, so you had a reason to be 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.880 there exactly. So you think the issue why people freak 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:51.400 out about likes is because they're there for to get likes. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.919 Exactly, to get validation, which doesn't make any sense. It 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.920 makes sense in theory. I've always said from the jump, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.439 I wouldn't use Instagram if I wasn't paid to do it. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.520 I used to work in social media then, and I 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.280 didn't really use Instagram. I was like, I don't really 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.920 get it. What is this for? Why would I share 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.800 my life with people who don't even know me? I 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.240 was that person. I was like, what is the point? 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.320 Like they don't even know me? Why does it matter 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.080 what I did or where I'm going or what I'm 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:20.399 wearing because you don't know me. I still carry that mentality, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.520 but I'm incentivized. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.919 But there's something you enjoy about making it and posting it. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.600 You would like the feedback, the community that you build. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.080 Yeah, definitely, but it's a bell curve. There's a point 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.440 in time where like you definitely max out on how 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.360 good the feedback feels because you've been doing it so long. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.400 So like the blue ticking, if you had the blue 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.520 tick for six years, I think you would feel similarly. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.600 You know. It's kind of like this felt really good. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.720 And I got the validation in short bursts really quickly 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.560 that I'm like, oh, I've done it. And this is 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.840 why I go back and forth with Instagram because I've 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.600 already gotten the best of it, Like the coins have 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.119 already come, I've built an engaged following. It's given me 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.600 great opportunities and everything else is fun. I will say. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.040 The tricky thing is, though, I stopped caring about likes 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.600 because I got really frustrated that I built all of 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.240 these skills, right like TV presenter, radio presenter, DJ whatever, 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.680 just to have the basis of my craft be whittled 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.680 down to how many likes I could get for showing 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:26.600 it on Instagram. Wow, so annoying, you know, if like if, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.159 and to be fair, if I knew that I could, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.840 if I could just be an influencer, right, like, no 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.200 particular creative skill, just go on the internet. I would 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.560 definitely do that. I want to learn all these skills 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.320 just for them to be like you just you just 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.960 go on the internet and get followers. Like you know 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.680 how people think the Kardashians haven't done anything. I want 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.159 that the Paris Hilton, like, what do you even do? 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.600 I want that. I don't want to work hard and 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.199