Speaker 1: The Flex and Rooms daily podcast.
Speaker 2: It's Flex and Rooms back for your daily podcast catch up.
Speaker 2: I almost wish it was seven days because sometimes on
Speaker 2: the weekend, I know, for me personally, I run out
Speaker 2: of content to consume on the weekend. So I've done
Speaker 2: all my daily potties. I've done them. There's nothing fresh
Speaker 2: coming out. I'm just rinsing and repeating, hoping TikTok showing
Speaker 2: something fresh, new and fun. And YouTube has been dry.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you on YouTube I am. It's
Speaker 2: not much there.
Speaker 1: But I've been listening to the same song unlock It,
Speaker 1: unlock it, better off alone. It's the mix of lock it,
Speaker 1: lock it, lock lock, lock it. Oh, she's locked. The iPad,
Speaker 1: the bootleg iPad that Caita has given us, has been
Speaker 1: shut to rooms down on the floor.
Speaker 2: I told you that because of COVID, I got clumsy.
Speaker 2: Like you'll know that. I'm constantly dropping things. That's not me.
Speaker 1: It is though, Bixby Brain, Bixby Brain.
Speaker 2: I've done. I've leveled up, got XP. This is the
Speaker 2: new breed of Flex. He's clumsy. I think it makes
Speaker 2: me feel more human. Actually, it's like a software fault. Yes,
Speaker 2: need an upgrade. I think I had it. I think
Speaker 2: this is like I'm creating parts of my identity that
Speaker 2: are endearing. Clumsiness, it's endearing. Not just a robot. This
Speaker 2: is flex and frooms on Kada. Do you know Jared
Speaker 2: Ley though I do. For those who might not know him,
Speaker 2: I guess he's been in what was that movie Harley
Speaker 2: Quinn Suicide Squad and he was complaining that he wanted
Speaker 2: the longer roll. He didn't get the longer role. He
Speaker 2: was like freaking out. Oh he thought he was gonna
Speaker 2: have like a big part in it and it was
Speaker 2: like a minor part. He hated that he was also
Speaker 2: in a band called thirty Seconds to Mars.
Speaker 1: Do they still make music? Maybe that was a real
Speaker 1: moment in the mid.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he's famous, you know, and you don't even need
Speaker 2: to know him to care about what I'm going to
Speaker 2: say about him. But Jared leto Liedo either or I
Speaker 2: think it's the accent that's confusing us. Has a cult.
Speaker 2: He is a cult leader. See how I just pop
Speaker 2: that in there a bit of surprise. He fully has
Speaker 2: a cult. And this is not one of those things
Speaker 2: where people have observed him and have been like I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's no. He said, point blank, period, this
Speaker 2: is a cult. Let me find the information for you first.
Speaker 2: What I think is really awesome is have you seen
Speaker 2: the pictures of him the all white We'll get into
Speaker 2: that later. It was August twenty nineteen, roughly three years ago,
Speaker 2: where these photos emerge on Twitter of Jared Leto standing
Speaker 2: in a sea of hundreds of people wearing all white
Speaker 2: on some remote island in Croatia. He captioned it, Yes,
Speaker 2: this is a cult. I'm confused, what does he mean anyway?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: So basically he has this name for his cult. They
Speaker 2: called Eschalon. They hang out on Camp Mars on Mars
Speaker 2: Island in Croatia. Super Fans of the band pay, like
Speaker 2: I think it's like seven thousand dollars a ticket for
Speaker 2: a three day weekend pass to go to this thing.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they were on Mars Island when COVID
Speaker 2: was announced for the first time something like that. I
Speaker 2: would fact check it further, but there's no need. Just
Speaker 2: run with it. Run with it, which makes me think, Right,
Speaker 2: a lot of weird stuff, cook stuff happens in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and I feel like because Hollywood by nature sells us fantasy.
Speaker 2: We're not really clocking when things are on a new
Speaker 2: scale of unbelievable and very dangerous and weird on this retreat,
Speaker 2: this this cult retreat. They all get matching tattoos. It
Speaker 2: is deep in it, and nobody's saying anything about it.
Speaker 2: We had a whole episode theorizing whether or not Leam
Speaker 2: Michelle is illiterate. Whole members of Hollywood have cults. Oh,
Speaker 2: we've just not talked about it. Would you would you
Speaker 2: not join? I'd go, you'd go, but you're not going
Speaker 2: to join. I mean, I think it's attending counts as
Speaker 2: joining that I've joined. I would it not go?
Speaker 1: You would not go if you got a free ticket?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm posting?
Speaker 1: Uh really absolutely?
Speaker 2: Why would you not go?
Speaker 1: Because maybe his beliefs are like, not aligned to mine.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be associated with him.
Speaker 2: They're learning yoga, babes, they're doing a few few utuls.
Speaker 2: They might sing, what's your reason not to go?
Speaker 1: I just want to be contrarian. I don't like him.
Speaker 1: I've heard some alleged rumors.
Speaker 2: I believe the more so do I. But we'll say
Speaker 2: alleged because we have taken a course with the legal
Speaker 2: team we know what defamation is not interesting, and we
Speaker 2: will not be defaming anyone flex and froos. Like we
Speaker 2: always say, the nonsense never ceases.
Speaker 1: It's really it's it never stops.
Speaker 2: That is the line. Unofficial. I think we can still
Speaker 2: workshop it. But again, the nonsense never ceases.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, nonsense never stops.
Speaker 2: I like ceases. Cool, the nonsense never stops. That's quite good. Actually,
Speaker 2: I take it back. Here's the thing. I'm really into
Speaker 2: self development, but only in like a in a theoretical way,
Speaker 2: like I like to learn about it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to apply any of it. There's not enough time on
Speaker 2: earth to be better at everything. Gotta be a little
Speaker 2: bit toxic. How do you say? Elas? I was literally googling,
Speaker 2: because every now and then I just google self development, news, hacks,
Speaker 2: psychology to see what it comes up. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I came across, but whatever article it was was
Speaker 2: referencing the seven Deadly sins. I said, this is a
Speaker 2: concept from back in the days, and we've just come
Speaker 2: off the back of Easter. I feel like it's only
Speaker 2: fair that we take it back. I don't know what
Speaker 2: time it was back anyway, I didn't even remember what
Speaker 2: the seven Deadly sins were, so googled it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess them.
Speaker 1: Lust, yes, greed, umm yes, gluttony yes, pride, pride, wrath, wrath, sloth.
Speaker 2: So you've got pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, sloth.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: I quite like.
Speaker 1: All of those.
Speaker 2: And so for those of you who don't know, the
Speaker 2: seven Deadly sins are behaviors or habits that are classified
Speaker 2: under this category and they allegedly give rise to other immortalities. Basically,
Speaker 2: they're a gateweight drug. If you let yourself give into
Speaker 2: these seven deadly sins, you'll be a worldly babe. True,
Speaker 2: you'll be the problem. Which made me think, which seven
Speaker 2: deadly sin do you think has ruined your life the
Speaker 2: most to date? That's a right one, literally, because I
Speaker 2: feel like we struggle with all of them, but the
Speaker 2: most mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, pride, pride. Okay, I say that for you.
Speaker 2: Pride will let me do some crazy things, and I've
Speaker 2: been working on it.
Speaker 1: But do you reckon? You've always been someone that has
Speaker 1: a lot of pride.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was stilled into me, told you, babe.
Speaker 2: I'm Elizabeth's daughter. She gave me birth to me with
Speaker 2: the biggest ego used to come back from school and
Speaker 2: say like, oh, this person was annoying to me. She'd
Speaker 2: be like, if anyone is mean to you, number one,
Speaker 2: they're jealous. They want to be you. You are my daughter.
Speaker 2: Do you know how rare that is? How many other
Speaker 2: people can say hm hm that they're my daughter. If
Speaker 2: anyone says anything to you, pay them no mind. Wow,
Speaker 2: every day of your life, how can there's no coming
Speaker 2: down from that? Even on my most humble days, I'm
Speaker 2: still fighting demons on the inside.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good deadly sin. Pride, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we need more pride.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think pride is a huge part of your success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be it. It might be the reason the undoing.
Speaker 1: Could you remind me what they all are against? I
Speaker 1: can definitely do that.
Speaker 2: The seven deadly sins are pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, sloth.
Speaker 1: It's giving gluttony, really definitely gluttony.
Speaker 2: You're saying gluttony is the one that's ruined your life
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 1: What happened, I did eat about three Easter eggs pride
Speaker 1: of these big ones you did while we were eating,
Speaker 1: I was really trying hard not to consume them while
Speaker 1: we were talking. You did well. It's definitely not last Potentially, pride.
Speaker 1: Envy is probably a big one. I'd say envy actually
Speaker 1: get jealous?
Speaker 2: Do you get jealous of what, in particular, things that
Speaker 2: you think you can get that you don't have, or
Speaker 2: things that feel so far out of your reach.
Speaker 1: Things that I know I can get if I applied
Speaker 1: myself in different ways, But I don't know the exact
Speaker 1: path there, so I'm just kind of like, oh, why
Speaker 1: are they doing that? I want to do that, but
Speaker 1: it's only ever when I need to do better things myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I use it as a guide. It's definitely very ugly
Speaker 1: and it has been unhelpful in prior lifetimes for me.
Speaker 2: I feel that. Can I tell you something though? I
Speaker 2: read that the seven deadly sins can be overcome defeated
Speaker 2: by the seven deadly virtues. What are they or what
Speaker 2: are they? You're saying I can overcome the bad with
Speaker 2: the good, Yeah, babe, you can. The seven deadly virtues
Speaker 2: are humility, hate it, I get rid of that, charity, chastity,
Speaker 2: it's too late, Gratitude, Yeah, that's good, temperance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the temperance?
Speaker 2: Everything in moderation, I'm not about that, okay. Patience yep,
Speaker 2: and diligence, yeah, I relate to that. I feel better already.
Speaker 2: They need to change. Just read about changing, and that
Speaker 2: is a gift in itself.
Speaker 1: Flex and frooms.
Speaker 2: You literally have to ask us a total of zero
Speaker 2: times to talk about love, dating, romance and to give
Speaker 2: you advice on it. Don't even ask us, and we'll
Speaker 2: do it anyway.
Speaker 1: I told myself it wasn't going to be one of
Speaker 1: those shows.
Speaker 2: It always is. We're one trick ponies.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get better. Well, today we're doing a love line.
Speaker 1: That's where our friends, our viewers. Sometimes we find them
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 2: Internet, fans, frenemies, they foolish people.
Speaker 1: They send in their love dilemmas, we discuss and then
Speaker 1: we prescribe them a song that might help them get
Speaker 1: through their woes. Here's one from today. I'm going to
Speaker 1: read it out. I've been seeing a guy as FWB
Speaker 1: Friends with Benefits for about four months now, and I've
Speaker 1: caught feelings. I'm just going to there. Yeah, that's friends
Speaker 1: with Benefits. Yeah, I can tell he doesn't feel the
Speaker 1: same way, and I need even worse, and I know
Speaker 1: he still isn't looking for anything serious with you. We
Speaker 1: have amazing sex and a great connection, and he's so
Speaker 1: hot and cold with me. Things are just getting super confusing.
Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of interest recently and have tried
Speaker 1: to slowly taper things off, but I feel as if
Speaker 1: he has noticed and has tried to put more effort
Speaker 1: in and plan dates with me.
Speaker 2: It's nice for a bit, you're friends with benefits go
Speaker 2: on dates. Yeah, oh, they're friends. They're friends.
Speaker 1: It's sounding a bit convoluted. It's nice for a bit,
Speaker 1: But then he randomly ghosts me for a few days
Speaker 1: and then comes back like he's playing mind games to
Speaker 1: keep me hooked. Is it ghosting? If it's a few days,
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss that. It really just puts me
Speaker 1: off even more. He also moved an hour away. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. We have a date planned Tuesday night strong
Speaker 1: He's planning to drive to see me, and I'm ready
Speaker 1: to end things for good now. Ooh, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I should wait until the date or do it
Speaker 1: in person, or wait until after. It'd be nice to
Speaker 1: see him one more time, but I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. I don't know what to say
Speaker 1: after I've already agreed to the date. Should I text
Speaker 1: him before or should we go on the date?
Speaker 2: Shall I go first?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be brutal, goes with with a
Speaker 2: hammer of death, kicks you while you're down. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to be brutal, but this person. This woman started
Speaker 2: off the message with, I've been dating this guy, not
Speaker 2: even dating friends with benefits, for four months. I've known
Speaker 2: from the jump he doesn't want anything, but I've caught feelings.
Speaker 2: Then goes on to talk about all the ways that
Speaker 2: this guy has affirmed what she knows to be true.
Speaker 2: He's hot and cold because he doesn't want anything. He's
Speaker 2: dropping off because he doesn't want anything. He's available to
Speaker 2: root because that's what he wants. And then she's crafted
Speaker 2: this story around should I break up with him? Should
Speaker 2: I not? He's not thinking about you like that, babe,
Speaker 2: Like you would love for it to be more than
Speaker 2: it is, because that validates all that you're feeling. But
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is you're feeling something for
Speaker 2: someone who doesn't want anything with you. And as the
Speaker 2: final act of the biggest power play, there is. You're
Speaker 2: gonna allow him to drive an hour to see you
Speaker 2: so you can break up with him because it would
Speaker 2: be quote unquote nice to see him one more time.
Speaker 2: The devil is moving through you. You are Jigsaw. This
Speaker 2: is a horror movie and you are the star.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's perfect. Should he come over or should
Speaker 1: she just text him?
Speaker 2: She's just text him. I this is one of those
Speaker 2: things where people believe honesty is the best policy. Openness
Speaker 2: is good for closure. Closure is a myth, no matter
Speaker 2: how you spin it. I think that she's hoping that
Speaker 2: if she sees him one more time and gives him
Speaker 2: an ultimatum that he'll pick her, he'll choose her, pick me,
Speaker 2: choose me, love me. If she were really thinking about
Speaker 2: herself in the situation, it is much better for you,
Speaker 2: your ego, your self esteem, and your sense of self
Speaker 2: to let this person know how they've made you feel
Speaker 2: and cut it off. Send them a text. Hey, I
Speaker 2: know we agreed to go on a date, but here's
Speaker 2: the thing. I can't do this anymore. It's been four months.
Speaker 2: I really like you. I recognize you don't want anything.
Speaker 2: I no longer can do this thing with you. You're trying
Speaker 2: to be an alchemist. You're trying to move all the
Speaker 2: pieces yourself. You're playing god. You think that if I
Speaker 2: do this and do this, he'll do this. It's not
Speaker 2: how it works. People are not rational, and especially in
Speaker 2: these precarious friends with benefit situation, you are trying to
Speaker 2: build on a shaky foundation. It isn't gonna work. It
Speaker 2: was never going to work. Let yourself go, start fresh
Speaker 2: with someone who wants what you want, when you want it.
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. I think definitely do the text message,
Speaker 1: perhaps end it with like, if you want to catch
Speaker 1: up to clarify that we can, because I think some
Speaker 1: people like don't do stuff over text, but I totally agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's not that into it, a text is wonderful
Speaker 1: for him. And also it gives you time when you
Speaker 1: get a text to let it sink in and formulate
Speaker 1: what you want to say. Because when you're on the spot,
Speaker 1: I get it. When we do the show, when you're
Speaker 1: on the spot, the brain beat, little monkey, Yeah, symbols,
Speaker 1: clap clap, clap, clut.
Speaker 2: This is flex and frooms on kit. You might think
Speaker 2: we're just here running a radio show, but in fact
Speaker 2: we've been doing weeks of market research to decipher if
Speaker 2: the world can be split into a binary of sorts,
Speaker 2: two types of people, folders and scrunches, dark mode users
Speaker 2: versus lightmode users, ha harvest, loll people. There's plenty of
Speaker 2: stuff to argue about, and we do it well.
Speaker 1: We know the hahat and loll was really divisive that
Speaker 1: when I shop into my core.
Speaker 2: It was a tricky one, but I think we landed
Speaker 2: on the heh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a happy medium. Yeah. You and I post on
Speaker 1: social media constantly at least once a day.
Speaker 2: At least once a day. That's not what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 2: At least it's at least like fifteen times a day.
Speaker 2: If I could do it once a day and be done,
Speaker 2: could you imagine?
Speaker 1: Have you ever done that?
Speaker 2: I look off sometimes?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you miss it? When you look off?
Speaker 2: It feels rebellious. Yeah, it feels like it's not in
Speaker 2: my best interest.
Speaker 1: Right, So you're doing it out of interest? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I want to actually know about you. Are you
Speaker 1: someone that cares about likes?
Speaker 2: No? Really, If I cared about likes, do you think
Speaker 2: i'd be shadow band all the time? I'm posting red
Speaker 2: heart content and Zack is like, get it off.
Speaker 1: See do you think your shadow band because you're not
Speaker 1: getting likes?
Speaker 2: Nobody I am. People could not search me, I couldn't
Speaker 2: use paid partnership tools. I was ineligible to use the
Speaker 2: ad function. Yeah, babe, really tell you why. Because you
Speaker 2: post much red hot stuff and you keep getting they
Speaker 2: flag it as inappropriate content, so you get.
Speaker 1: Reported, get reported. I hate it when people report me.
Speaker 2: The thing about shadow banding is people post shit content
Speaker 2: to get shadow band But my Internet strategy is not
Speaker 2: posting what other people post. Like. I have a very
Speaker 2: specific flex Bami brand of doing the Internet, which means
Speaker 2: it's not comparable to other people to the Internet. Therefore
Speaker 2: it's no likes to check. And also fun tip, I
Speaker 2: was getting paid from Instagram, not by Instagram. Way before
Speaker 2: I had followers, I was ten k followers making stacks.
Speaker 2: So really yeah, That's why I'm not big on like
Speaker 2: I need more likes and more followers because I had
Speaker 2: opportunities before them.
Speaker 1: So if you post a selfie and it doesn't get
Speaker 1: many likes, you're cool with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you get a blue ticket feels
Speaker 1: like I need to be blue tick behavior.
Speaker 2: When'd you get blue ticked six months ago? Oh, fairly
Speaker 2: regularly recent Yeah, changed me.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about blue tick Lifestyle?
Speaker 2: Been a blue ticker for about eight no, six years? Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm saying. Okay, so for me, asked
Speaker 2: me if I care about likes. I don't, and that's
Speaker 2: because I was validated by the Internet in a different way,
Speaker 2: so likes didn't matter as much. I think when people
Speaker 2: are validated likes first, and then success after or coins after,
Speaker 2: then the likes become the thing that you're extra focused on.
Speaker 2: But I only started the Instagram because I was a DJ.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm a DJ, I need to have
Speaker 2: an Instagram. So I made the Instagram, right, I'm already
Speaker 2: a TV presenter at another network. I need to post
Speaker 2: on Instagram because of that.
Speaker 1: Ah. I see, so you had a reason to be
Speaker 1: there exactly. So you think the issue why people freak
Speaker 1: out about likes is because they're there for to get likes.
Speaker 2: Exactly, to get validation, which doesn't make any sense. It
Speaker 2: makes sense in theory. I've always said from the jump,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't use Instagram if I wasn't paid to do it.
Speaker 2: I used to work in social media then, and I
Speaker 2: didn't really use Instagram. I was like, I don't really
Speaker 2: get it. What is this for? Why would I share
Speaker 2: my life with people who don't even know me? I
Speaker 2: was that person. I was like, what is the point?
Speaker 2: Like they don't even know me? Why does it matter
Speaker 2: what I did or where I'm going or what I'm
Speaker 2: wearing because you don't know me. I still carry that mentality,
Speaker 2: but I'm incentivized.
Speaker 1: But there's something you enjoy about making it and posting it.
Speaker 1: You would like the feedback, the community that you build.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, but it's a bell curve. There's a point
Speaker 2: in time where like you definitely max out on how
Speaker 2: good the feedback feels because you've been doing it so long.
Speaker 2: So like the blue ticking, if you had the blue
Speaker 2: tick for six years, I think you would feel similarly.
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of like this felt really good.
Speaker 2: And I got the validation in short bursts really quickly
Speaker 2: that I'm like, oh, I've done it. And this is
Speaker 2: why I go back and forth with Instagram because I've
Speaker 2: already gotten the best of it, Like the coins have
Speaker 2: already come, I've built an engaged following. It's given me
Speaker 2: great opportunities and everything else is fun. I will say.
Speaker 2: The tricky thing is, though, I stopped caring about likes
Speaker 2: because I got really frustrated that I built all of
Speaker 2: these skills, right like TV presenter, radio presenter, DJ whatever,
Speaker 2: just to have the basis of my craft be whittled
Speaker 2: down to how many likes I could get for showing
Speaker 2: it on Instagram. Wow, so annoying, you know, if like if,
Speaker 2: and to be fair, if I knew that I could,
Speaker 2: if I could just be an influencer, right, like, no
Speaker 2: particular creative skill, just go on the internet. I would
Speaker 2: definitely do that. I want to learn all these skills
Speaker 2: just for them to be like you just you just
Speaker 2: go on the internet and get followers. Like you know
Speaker 2: how people think the Kardashians haven't done anything. I want
Speaker 2: that the Paris Hilton, like, what do you even do?
Speaker 2: I want that. I don't want to work hard and
Speaker 2: people think I don't do much. I want to not
Speaker 2: do much and how people think I work hard?
Speaker 1: That's powerful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's your solution, Well, you're gonna stop caring
Speaker 2: about likes.
Speaker 1: Well, my solution is to go with the gut and
Speaker 1: train the gut so that no matter what you post,
Speaker 1: you stand by it. Like I've had instances where I've
Speaker 1: been like, need to delete it? Should never be going down.
Speaker 2: I mean, delete it if you don't want it. It's
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Who's meant Like?
Speaker 2: What what do you prove by keeping something up that's
Speaker 2: not receiving the validation you want? Just take it down.
Speaker 2: Instagram is meant for cheap validation. If you're not getting it,
Speaker 2: delete it.
Speaker 1: Okay? Interesting? I don't know really what I gain from
Speaker 1: this segment.
Speaker 2: If you want likes, it's a very easy way to
Speaker 2: get them.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: Think about it, babe, show some skin, start a fight, Yeah,
Speaker 2: call out someone, talk about something topical as soon as
Speaker 2: it happens, Say the thing that everybody's thinking but nobody
Speaker 2: wants to say. You'll get some likes.
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