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Speaker 2: Hope you're enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: Ready for a book club?

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Speaker 1: Hello book club friends, High.

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Speaker 2: Book club friends. Today, we thought we'd read bits from

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Speaker 2: our books where we first encountered each other.

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Speaker 3: This is probably the most interesting part of this podcast.

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Speaker 3: You'd probably skip everything else and just have this one.

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Speaker 2: And the reason for that, and we'll get to it,

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Speaker 2: is that there is an incident that could easily have

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Speaker 3: Are you at the time we've moved on, though I'd

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Speaker 3: like to think, well, we haven't moved on.

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Speaker 2: We'll let you start. You read if you read.

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Speaker 1: Yours twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Quite seriously, though, this stuff still cuts me to the quick.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell what my book documents the first time

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Speaker 3: I met you, and of course the inside cident that

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Speaker 2: All Right, you read yours and I'll read the incident

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Speaker 3: This is from chapter eleven of my book Triple Triple,

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Speaker 2: Sure, Triple Am you didn't develop a starter.

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Speaker 3: It was a chilly Monday morning in August of nineteen

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Speaker 3: working at Triple M Sydney. The lift doors opened at

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Speaker 3: I just remember it so well. You know, we were.

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Speaker 2: it's a funny story about Amanda. Hilarious, What in any

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Speaker 2: it had been a devastating day for me and Harley.

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Speaker 3: And it changed my attitude towards it. There used to

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Speaker 1: you know, I look at your boys. I'm so proud

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Speaker 1: There's lovely boys and I'm very lucky. Are you making

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Speaker 2: Well? Okay, till next time, Until next time, goodbye, goodbye.

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Speaker 1: JNS high.

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