Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yor the
Speaker 2: Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we
Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would
Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of
Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging
Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through
Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and
Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today
Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. My name is beck
Speaker 4: Syed and with me is Victoria Devine. Happy nato Q Weekfidi,
Speaker 4: Oh thank you.
Speaker 5: I am very excited about this Happy naydoc Queak nato
Speaker 5: Week celebrates and recognizes the history, culture, and achievements of
Speaker 5: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and we thought it
Speaker 5: was a wonderful opportunity to welcome back friends of the
Speaker 5: show and two very special women, the two directors of
Speaker 5: evolved Communities. Auntie Manya Andrews and Carla Rodgers friends, welcome back.
Speaker 6: Great to be here, so gad to see you.
Speaker 7: Thank you. We love the show. We're number one fans.
Speaker 1: Oh you suer cute.
Speaker 5: We are also so excited to have you guys back,
Speaker 5: because today we're going to be chatting about the challenges
Speaker 5: faced by black businesses in Australia, how we can actually
Speaker 5: show up as our lives, and how businesses can be
Speaker 5: more inclusive and honestly so much more. But to start off, guys,
Speaker 5: what does this year's NADOC theme, keep the Fire Burning Black,
Speaker 5: Loud and Proud mean to you?
Speaker 6: Keep the fires burning It's about keeping the spirit alive,
Speaker 6: spirit of country, spirit of ancestors, and spirit of culture.
Speaker 6: Keep that burning because that's what guards us through life.
Speaker 6: And long as the fires are maintained, then we're maintained
Speaker 6: and sustained. So for me, on that very larger level,
Speaker 6: what about you color, Yeah, So.
Speaker 7: A non indigenous ally, it's very much keeping the fire
Speaker 7: alive in the belly of supporting First Nations people and
Speaker 7: also the fire alive of us as non Indigenous Austrains
Speaker 7: learning from First Nations wisdom learning from the oldest continuous
Speaker 7: culture in the world. There's so many ways that we
Speaker 7: can grow and heal as a country if we were
Speaker 7: to open our hearts and minds to First Nations people
Speaker 7: and their wisdom and always I have found First Nations
Speaker 7: people so generous and receptive and opening up their hands
Speaker 7: inviting us to come in on that journey with them.
Speaker 4: That's really really beautifully said. Now, evolved communities exist to
Speaker 4: build awareness of Aboriginal terres Strait islander culture and encourage
Speaker 4: reconciliation and allyship. I can see literally that you guys
Speaker 4: have such a nice and close connection and comfort between
Speaker 4: you both. How did you come to the place of
Speaker 4: creating this organization and how did you to meet?
Speaker 7: Always a story and I'm not a quick storytellerself, I'm
Speaker 7: trying to I actually found it evolved in two thousand
Speaker 7: and five. I was lucky to get this thing called
Speaker 7: a Churchill Fellowship, which enables you to go overseas and
Speaker 7: study something. We've exhausted all your study options in Australia.
Speaker 7: So I was looking at the involvement of First Nations
Speaker 7: people in looking after country and when I came back,
Speaker 7: I was working in protected area management, and I was
Speaker 7: getting a little bit frustrated at the pace of change
Speaker 7: in government. So I started evolved to do this work.
Speaker 7: Fast forward about five or six years and we had
Speaker 7: a very large project up in the Gulf of Carpenteria,
Speaker 7: working in remote Aboriginal communities, helping them come up with
Speaker 7: their own solutions to some pretty tricky, hard yarns. We
Speaker 7: call them things like suicide and alcohol and violence. And
Speaker 7: so I was a non indigenous person leading a team
Speaker 7: of Indigenous people and we needed a leader for that
Speaker 7: team and who should be recommended but Anti Monia, Yes.
Speaker 6: And then so I came on board and really then
Speaker 6: Color and I got chatting about lots of things, but
Speaker 6: we discovered we had a similar vision, and that's to
Speaker 6: create a kind of more inclusive Australia. And so we
Speaker 6: got talking about things and realized we wanted to be
Speaker 6: out there educating people. So we decided to combine our
Speaker 6: skills where we've developed this business and allyship programs in particular.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is a pretty lofty vision. You know,
Speaker 7: it sounds very nice, a kind of more inclusive Australia,
Speaker 7: but it was very much well, how do we do that?
Speaker 7: And that's when we thought, well, it's non indigenous people
Speaker 7: like me. Let's turn the lens on people like myself,
Speaker 7: the ninety seven percent of the population in Australia, and
Speaker 7: what is it. What do we need to know? What
Speaker 7: skills do we need to have, What understandings do we
Speaker 7: need to have to be confident allies? And also to
Speaker 7: realize how much we have to learn and grow from
Speaker 7: this invitation. And that's when we developed what we call
Speaker 7: the Seven Steps to Practical Reconciliation, which underpins all our programs.
Speaker 7: It was actually sitting on a dock. I can remember
Speaker 7: where we were. We were sitting on.
Speaker 6: A wharf and all the kids you jumping off them, yeah,
Speaker 6: and everything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and beautiful blue water and the genesis. I guess
Speaker 7: of a lot of these thoughts and frameworks and program.
Speaker 5: So not in a fancy boardroom, in a dock or
Speaker 5: on a dock. I should say, that's much cooler than
Speaker 5: the way that we come up with ideas.
Speaker 2: Back.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think we do play that song in the background.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it sounds good, but I want
Speaker 5: to know more because I feel like something that I
Speaker 5: have been really passionate about since having you on the
Speaker 5: show a couple of years ago. It's just getting more
Speaker 5: people across what you guys do, and I feel like
Speaker 5: you are popping up more and more, Like Auntie Manya
Speaker 5: see you on TikTok all the time.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things ever. I feel like you.
Speaker 5: Are one of the warmest souls, like you answer questions
Speaker 5: so beautifully and it just feels, honestly like a little
Speaker 5: wholesome corner of the Internet.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
Speaker 5: But I want to know a bit more about the
Speaker 5: I guess idea that is so central to what evolved
Speaker 5: do allyship for all of us? How are we working
Speaker 5: towards that and achieving that? And you know, what can
Speaker 5: we do as that she's on the money community to
Speaker 5: more actively work towards that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, really beautiful question. And just you having us on
Speaker 7: the show today and everyone in your community that we're
Speaker 7: reaching out to now, this is an act of ollyship.
Speaker 7: So you're doing it right now. Anyone listening is doing
Speaker 7: it right now. And what we emphasize that Evolve is
Speaker 7: that the first step in our yship is self education.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't have to be complex things. It can
Speaker 7: be things you can incorporate into your every day finding
Speaker 7: out more about who the traditional owners are where you live,
Speaker 7: or people might be familiar with the cultural protocol and
Speaker 7: acknowledgment of country, and some people often aren't familiar with
Speaker 7: that protocol and may not know the difference, for example,
Speaker 7: between a welcome to country and acknowledgment of country. It's
Speaker 7: such an important protocol. Welcome can only be done by
Speaker 7: a traditional owner from their land on which you're meeting
Speaker 7: or speaking. An acknowledgment can be done by anybody. So
Speaker 7: it's just such a practical step that we can all take.
Speaker 7: And when we're teaching people about how to acknowledge country authentically,
Speaker 7: we take you through a meditation where you put yourself
Speaker 7: in a place that you really feel connected to country.
Speaker 7: So even if you want to think about that now,
Speaker 7: you know, is it at the beach, is it out
Speaker 7: on the lawn? You know, could be anywhere, and then
Speaker 7: going to that place and then we take you through
Speaker 7: a visualization of how do you feel in that place
Speaker 7: and what makes it special for you? And hear the
Speaker 7: wind and what are the sounds you hear around you,
Speaker 7: and then just leaning into that feeling of gratitude because
Speaker 7: we all have a deep connection to country and for
Speaker 7: first nations, people, countries, family. So that's why a lot
Speaker 7: of our best ideas probably do come when we're out
Speaker 7: in country. And what we would encourage your listeners to
Speaker 7: do after listening to this podcast when you can is
Speaker 7: go outside and you know, if you can go into
Speaker 7: a lawn or somewhere and take your shoes off and
Speaker 7: think that where you're standing right now, for tens of
Speaker 7: thousands of years people have walked before you, and think
Speaker 7: of those footprints and the footprints of the people that
Speaker 7: are coming. And then take that sense into when you're
Speaker 7: acknowledging country. You don't have to wait for a formal
Speaker 7: meeting to acknowledge country. How a go when you go
Speaker 7: for your walk today, and I'll even put that to
Speaker 7: both of you after the podcast. If you go for
Speaker 7: a walk, or if you're looking at your beautiful new baby,
Speaker 7: you know, have a think about, well, who the traditional
Speaker 7: owners are and why do you feel grateful for living
Speaker 7: on this country and expressing that gratitude. So this is
Speaker 7: what we emphasize is that allyship is those sort of
Speaker 7: acts that feel genuine to you. It's about acknowledging the
Speaker 7: wisdom and feeling deeply grateful for what we all share
Speaker 7: here now, living on this country in Australia, anti money,
Speaker 7: What would you add to that?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, No. The other thing is that I think
Speaker 6: people may not know is that by acknowledging our ancestors,
Speaker 6: it's also about blessing you or getting protection. Australia is
Speaker 6: such a large country. It's easy to get lost, but
Speaker 6: if you acknowledge the ancestors, they'll guide you and will
Speaker 6: prevent you from being lost. And so it's about protecting
Speaker 6: yourself as well, so you get benefits from that as well.
Speaker 6: You know, you might be about to step on a
Speaker 6: dangerous snake, for instance, but if you've acknowledged their ancestors,
Speaker 6: they'll look after you.
Speaker 1: I adore that so much.
Speaker 5: I think so many times when people are first introduced
Speaker 5: to this concept of allyship, you could draw the assumption
Speaker 5: that allyship is really about doing something for others and
Speaker 5: it is. You forget about how much you get out
Speaker 5: of it personally, like acknowledgment to country and just being
Speaker 5: able to connect, Like who doesn't love the feeling of
Speaker 5: sands between their toes, or you know, fresh cut grass
Speaker 5: under their feet, or just feeling like you got out
Speaker 5: of the office today into the beautiful fresh air, Like
Speaker 5: I feel like it gives you such a deeper sense
Speaker 5: of connection that ultimately impacts your mental health, it impacts
Speaker 5: your physical health, like you become a better, more rounded
Speaker 5: human by connecting in with this. It's like we talk
Speaker 5: about gratitude and how important gratitude is in everyday life,
Speaker 5: but by extending it and understanding where that comes from,
Speaker 5: you just have this deeper understanding of the world. You
Speaker 5: have a deeper connection with gratitude, but also a deeper
Speaker 5: connection with gratefulness.
Speaker 1: Like I just feel so grateful to be.
Speaker 5: Walking on the land that you know, people have looked
Speaker 5: after for years and years and years before me, like
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of years before me, this land was
Speaker 5: walked by other people, And isn't it beautiful to not
Speaker 5: only acknowledge that, but really think about their journeys and
Speaker 5: how they're now guiding us, and that they're decisions really
Speaker 5: paved the way for us and what we're able to
Speaker 5: achieve today.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just.
Speaker 5: Feel like it's selfish, but I get so much out
Speaker 5: of allyship and that's not why we do it.
Speaker 1: But I adore it.
Speaker 6: I completely agree, And you know, it's about acknowledging our ancestors,
Speaker 6: the ones who went before us, and they're not just
Speaker 6: my ancestors, they're your ancestors as well, because you live
Speaker 6: in this country and they're the ones who came before you,
Speaker 6: And so it's getting in touch with them so that
Speaker 6: they're walking beside us at all times.
Speaker 5: And they walked so we could continue walking. And I
Speaker 5: think that that's why it's so important to acknowledge and
Speaker 5: just you know, really deeply connect with that, not just
Speaker 5: because it's important, but because it becomes intrinsic in who
Speaker 5: we are. And if we don't understand who we are
Speaker 5: or where we've come from, how do we understand where
Speaker 5: we're going and actually have a good, beautiful, big impact.
Speaker 5: Like I'm just obviously passionate about this, not nearly as
Speaker 5: wildly passionate as you guys, which is why I was like,
Speaker 5: please get them on the show.
Speaker 1: There's so much better at this.
Speaker 5: They just kill it every single time I want to
Speaker 5: talk about I guess, what do we need to know
Speaker 5: when it comes to being really effective and competent allies?
Speaker 5: Beyond what we've been discussing, where do we begin that
Speaker 5: journey if we've never done it before?
Speaker 1: How do we start?
Speaker 5: And I know color you said before, like get outstanding
Speaker 5: the grass, Like what are some practical tips that I
Speaker 5: could bring to either my friendship circle or my workplace
Speaker 5: or you know, my home and family. That means that
Speaker 5: I can become an allay if it's not something that
Speaker 5: I have considered or really valued before today.
Speaker 7: The first step is always self education. And it's interesting
Speaker 7: what you say about self reflection and learning more about yourself.
Speaker 7: All of our programs are very experiential and immersive and
Speaker 7: they're really about self reflection. It's like anything I guess
Speaker 7: you know that adage that you teach what you most
Speaker 7: need to know. Yes, I'm here because obviously what I
Speaker 7: most need to know in life is how to be
Speaker 7: an ally. So how do I do that is teach others.
Speaker 7: Big part of that teaching is sharing the many mistakes
Speaker 7: I've made over five decades as an ally. So where
Speaker 7: do you start is self learning? And for example, we've
Speaker 7: got loads of resources. We've got a big bold obsession
Speaker 7: to have ten million more or half of Australia as allies,
Speaker 7: so obviously we need lots of touch points for that.
Speaker 7: So that's why we've got things like ask anti ask
Speaker 7: an ally and all sorts of resources on the internet,
Speaker 7: and we actually have this framework of seven steps and
Speaker 7: we can touch on what each of those are.
Speaker 6: But where you.
Speaker 7: Start is self education. There's so many ways you can
Speaker 7: do that. There's watching programs on TV, there's so much
Speaker 7: indigenous content now on mainstream media, reading books, but listening
Speaker 7: to people's stories. So probably where do you start? If
Speaker 7: we had to put it in one word, it would
Speaker 7: be listen.
Speaker 4: I really like that. Start with your and start with listening,
Speaker 4: start with wanting to educate yourself, and start with yet
Speaker 4: just becoming open and exposing yourself to different stories, different experiences,
Speaker 4: different things like that. I think it's a really beautiful
Speaker 4: way to start, and it's really really beautifully worded. I think
Speaker 4: we should go to a really quick break.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because on the flip side, we're going to be
Speaker 5: talking about Evolve and how they've been involved with some
Speaker 5: of Australia's biggest companies, but also how we as individuals
Speaker 5: and how businesses can develop and attract and really champion
Speaker 5: and indigenous talents. So guys don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: Welcome back everyone, and today we have Karl and Auntie
Speaker 4: Manya joining us. I just wanted to jump into Evolve.
Speaker 4: So Evolve has been used by Australia's biggest companies, Adobe, IBM,
Speaker 4: All Words, and the actual government and the literalmental Government,
Speaker 4: just to name a few, to help understand Aboriginal and
Speaker 4: Torres Strait Islander culture and protocols, build allies and create
Speaker 4: more inclusive businesses through their programs. Guys, what are some
Speaker 4: of the biggest challenges you think businesses face when looking
Speaker 4: to be more inclusive?
Speaker 7: Think about inclusivity to do it properly, I guess it's
Speaker 7: the DNA of a business. It's who you are as
Speaker 7: a business, so it's your whole culture. The thing that's
Speaker 7: less scary is we talk a lot about what we
Speaker 7: have to learn from First Nations wisdom. Now, if there's
Speaker 7: anything that we can learn from First Nations people, it's
Speaker 7: about inclusion and belonging. They've been doing it for tens
Speaker 7: of thousands of years. One of our seven steps is
Speaker 7: about Aboriginal kinship and we do an exercise where everyone
Speaker 7: is given a skin name. So Auntie mind, you just
Speaker 7: want to explain what skin is.
Speaker 6: So right, across Australia, all of the nations were divided
Speaker 6: into kinship groups. The term we use in Northern Australia
Speaker 6: is skin ski n There are its equivalents in the
Speaker 6: southern areas. For instance, in New South Wales the term
Speaker 6: used to be meat meat, so when people met up
Speaker 6: with each other they would ask what's your meat, meaning
Speaker 6: what's your skin, So people would say, oh, it's possum
Speaker 6: or kangaroo or koala. So that everybody's divided into skin groups,
Speaker 6: and each skin group, well, we're all related to each other,
Speaker 6: but has a particular relationship with another group in that society.
Speaker 6: It's a bit like having star signs. I suppose that
Speaker 6: there are some star signs that are compatible with others.
Speaker 6: Skin groups determine who you can marry, for instance, and
Speaker 6: so forth, and sets out particular obligations to each other
Speaker 6: right across the country. Now, how many skin groups there were,
Speaker 6: different according to the nations. The one that we teach
Speaker 6: in our Googoes system has eight skin groups, some have four, six, eight, sixteen,
Speaker 6: thirty two and so forth, sixty four or one of
Speaker 6: the highest groups in the Northern territory. So that's what
Speaker 6: skin is.
Speaker 7: In this exercise, everyone's given the skin name. We explain
Speaker 7: all the different relationships. It turns into a lot of
Speaker 7: fun when people have got to run around and find
Speaker 7: all their elos and we explain the different connections, so
Speaker 7: we actually use strings, so there's this beautiful web of connections.
Speaker 7: And then when we talk about the impact of colonization,
Speaker 7: we literally go through and save those connections with scissors,
Speaker 7: and it's just like there's gaps in the room, like
Speaker 7: the grief and the disconnection is palpable. Then after going
Speaker 7: through this whole activity and explaining the extended Aboriginal families
Speaker 7: how inclusive they are, we ask people to think, you know,
Speaker 7: what are their insights from this activity, And the main
Speaker 7: insults are that you know, everyone's connected, you feel valued,
Speaker 7: you belong, you have a role, you're clear on your role,
Speaker 7: and there's this beautiful web of care in this kinship system.
Speaker 7: And then we're like, okay, that's fantastic. So how you're
Speaker 7: going to apply that to your own self and your
Speaker 7: own leadership and the culture in the workplace. So circling
Speaker 7: back to your original question, well, what's one of the
Speaker 7: main challenges I think is that as organizations we don't
Speaker 7: see how holistic this question of inclusivity is. But we
Speaker 7: have this amazing belief system, this amazing reality that's been
Speaker 7: successful for tens of thousands of years about belonging an
Speaker 7: inclusion It's not just a pahr buzzword in this system.
Speaker 7: There's a model there for us to learn from. Now,
Speaker 7: what stands out from that model for me, it's human
Speaker 7: needs that we all share. If this need to feel
Speaker 7: that you belong in the workplaces, you need to be
Speaker 7: able to express yourself in the workplace. So in that sense,
Speaker 7: the needs of creating an inclusive workplace are common, They're
Speaker 7: not that complex. So I think the biggest challenge is
Speaker 7: seeing that it's holy sting, that it's about your whole
Speaker 7: organizational culture and it's not something that can be just
Speaker 7: achieved with one training program tick a box.
Speaker 5: I was going to say that I feel like so
Speaker 5: many times inclusion programs are just.
Speaker 1: Tick box exercises.
Speaker 5: They fill a couoia, they have a number, and they
Speaker 5: meet it and they go great, no worries. You know,
Speaker 5: we have hired the right amount of Indigenous Australians and
Speaker 5: you just go, do you realize how much they.
Speaker 1: Have to offer?
Speaker 5: Do you realize like the beauty that they bring to
Speaker 5: your culture, to your environment? And you're not taking advantage
Speaker 5: of that, like you're not making the most of this situation,
Speaker 5: like it is a privilege.
Speaker 1: And I think that.
Speaker 5: Often it is that tick box exercise, tod it's really
Speaker 5: sad and it shouldn't be And you're so right, Karlor.
Speaker 5: It goes beyond that, like we're not making the most
Speaker 5: of a pre existing format and a pre existing framework
Speaker 5: of diversity and inclusion and working together and how to
Speaker 5: exist harm and I just think that's wild that we're
Speaker 5: not doing that. You can see how confronting it would
Speaker 5: be for big organizations who basically have no culture and
Speaker 5: don't do those things.
Speaker 1: It's a big change.
Speaker 7: So we're talking about transformation some of our clients and
Speaker 7: one of those, for example, is a you know, not
Speaker 7: for profit we've worked with for eight years now. They
Speaker 7: do put all of this team through our programs and
Speaker 7: it's very evidence based. They've seen major shifts in the organization.
Speaker 7: There's two big things here we're talking about. One goes
Speaker 7: back to our vision at Evolve, and that's a kind
Speaker 7: of more inclusive Australia that celebrates and learns from First
Speaker 7: Nations wisdom and people's So there's a real emphasis on
Speaker 7: that we don't come from a deficit approach. We come
Speaker 7: from a strength based approach. Like what is it? And
Speaker 7: it's so true, Victoria. Like, we ran a program six
Speaker 7: years ago and it was called Bull by the Horns,
Speaker 7: was about leadership and what we as leaders can learn
Speaker 7: from indigenous wisdom. When we first were promoting that program,
Speaker 7: we had so many people come to us and say, oh, fantastic,
Speaker 7: I've got Aboriginal manager. I really want to put them
Speaker 7: through this program.
Speaker 5: And we're like, wait, what, No, you are point baby,
Speaker 5: it's you that needs to go through the programs.
Speaker 7: That's the reality. You know, ninety seven percent of our
Speaker 7: population is non indigenous, and that's the narrative. You know,
Speaker 7: we've got something that superior First Nations people. That's their
Speaker 7: reality that they're always expected to step in and walk
Speaker 7: in our world. The other piece that's really important to
Speaker 7: all of this is all of our programs we celebrate
Speaker 7: First Nations wisdom and culture and we focus on that.
Speaker 7: But you're learning skills. These skills are generic to all
Speaker 7: humans and to creating an inclusive workplace, no matter which
Speaker 7: cultures we're talking about, their generic skills.
Speaker 5: I guess I couldn't agree more I feel like so
Speaker 5: many people just miss the point, even though the point
Speaker 5: is right there in front of them. I want to know, now,
Speaker 5: how can businesses actually attract, develop, and champion indigenous talent.
Speaker 5: I feel like you were saying something really good before, Carlor.
Speaker 5: You said so many times indigenous people are expected to
Speaker 5: step into our way of living and our way of working,
Speaker 5: when that shouldn't be the expectation. So how can we
Speaker 5: attract talent that not only adds so much to our
Speaker 5: culture and so much to our business, but how can
Speaker 5: we make our environment a place that they want to be.
Speaker 7: We've just literally finished writing a program on this, haven't
Speaker 7: we Antima, which we're filming at the moment. So our
Speaker 7: first program is called the Seven Steps to Practical Reconciliation.
Speaker 7: The second program is Practical Allyship at Work. We're specifically
Speaker 7: addressing that question. Yes, the first answer is about creating
Speaker 7: cultural safety in the workplace, and it's doing all those
Speaker 7: things that we just talked about, and again really encouraging
Speaker 7: people not to come at this from a deficit approach.
Speaker 7: I've got to do this, but just celebrating in how
Speaker 7: much we can grow as businesses as a country. You know,
Speaker 7: when we get all these benefits of learning from First
Speaker 7: Nations people and wisdom. So the first thing is looking at, well,
Speaker 7: what is the culture of our company? How inclusive and
Speaker 7: safe is it for a First Nations person to come
Speaker 7: and work here. We find that the retention rates can
Speaker 7: be so low for First Nations people because those foundations
Speaker 7: aren't in place. The workplace is very culturally unsafe. So
Speaker 7: that's the first place to start if you're really serious
Speaker 7: about this, is to looking at doing an audit of
Speaker 7: existing cultural safety. Now that organization that I refer to
Speaker 7: before our longest partner, they actually came to us evolved
Speaker 7: to help them do exactly this attract and retain traineeships.
Speaker 7: Now that was like eight years ago. What we ended
Speaker 7: up doing with them was the first six years was
Speaker 7: focused on building cultural safety and competency in the organization
Speaker 7: because they realized that their trainee ships were failing because
Speaker 7: there just wasn't that level of cultural safety in the workplace.
Speaker 1: And that's hard for them.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that's hard in terms of, oh,
Speaker 5: they've got to do some work. That would be a
Speaker 5: hard realization to come to that you are not a
Speaker 5: safe space right now. That would be challenging, but the
Speaker 5: idea that they've stuck to it and said, no, we're
Speaker 5: going to continue this. We're going to get you guys in.
Speaker 5: We are changing. That's big, that's impressive.
Speaker 7: It's massive, and they've just been so genuine about it.
Speaker 7: We've mentioned cultural change, but on an individual level, we're
Speaker 7: talking about behavioral change. And that's why everything that we
Speaker 7: do is called practical reconciliation, practical ourship because Auntie and
Speaker 7: I we are very practical. So anything you do with
Speaker 7: us at Evolve will focus on the practical outcomes. What
Speaker 7: are the behaviors that we need to change, What are
Speaker 7: the practical things that we can do. You know, anything
Speaker 7: that you do with us is experiential, so it's a
Speaker 7: journey of growth. So like we've got lots of case
Speaker 7: studies of organizations doing this, there's some organizations that we
Speaker 7: choose not to work with because we can see that
Speaker 7: it is a ticker box exercise.
Speaker 1: Oh God.
Speaker 7: Where we start with the normally is we've only got
Speaker 7: three values at Evolve. One is kindness and kindredness, and
Speaker 7: another one is we are living our liies. And what
Speaker 7: that means is that we walk our talk. And that's
Speaker 7: what we ask of organizations, so we usually ask for
Speaker 7: senior leaders the executive to go through our programs first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, as it should. Yeah, completely agree. I just
Speaker 4: want to know, through your work in community, do you
Speaker 4: have a sense of the challenges faced by black owned
Speaker 4: businesses in a Tralia.
Speaker 7: I mean, we're majority Indigenous owned and our staff small team,
Speaker 7: but it's half half half. So I think stereotypes is
Speaker 7: probably the number one challenge.
Speaker 8: There are incredible Indigenous businesses out there, quite diverse and
Speaker 8: doing amazing things like high complex IT stuff, delivering all
Speaker 8: sorts of things, and I think there's still a perception.
Speaker 7: That Indigenous businesses only do Indigenous things, right it it's
Speaker 7: brilliant to support allyship, to support reconciliation, it's brillant to
Speaker 7: buy black and by presence from Indigenous businesses. That's only
Speaker 7: a small thing. Now, if you in your business need
Speaker 7: to get your air conditioning done in the building, or
Speaker 7: you need the building painted, have a look and see
Speaker 7: if there's an Indigenous business doing that. There's a lot
Speaker 7: of Indigenous businesses in this service industry, in the construction industry,
Speaker 7: facility management, so not just in cultural related things. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so I'd say that's one big challenge Anti money, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 7: and supply Nation. It's the organization to go to to
Speaker 7: find out what businesses are available. They have a list
Speaker 7: of providers that they can supply to you. Some of
Speaker 7: the states have indigenous Chambers of Commerce, so for instance,
Speaker 7: we're a member of the New South Wales in Bridge,
Speaker 7: an organization Chamber of Commerce and they've been absolutely very
Speaker 7: helpful to us as well. We were very excited this
Speaker 7: year for Evolved when the National Telstra Best Business Award
Speaker 7: for Building Community we were finalists in two categories, Building
Speaker 7: Communities and Indigenous Excellence Excellence and we were just so
Speaker 7: thrilled to win Building Communities because it's like.
Speaker 6: That's what we're about.
Speaker 7: Yes, they got us the winner last year. So in
Speaker 7: the Indigenous Excellence category is a business in Western Australia
Speaker 7: that specializes in geographic information systems, so just like you know,
Speaker 7: putting it out there that it's different things and they
Speaker 7: went on to win. There's the winner of the winners nationally.
Speaker 6: So for this year, I.
Speaker 7: Think there was over twenty thousand entrants and it's small
Speaker 7: and medium businesses, so medium businesses can have over one
Speaker 7: hundred million dollar turnover I can tell you Evolve is not.
Speaker 1: Doing Oh again, no, she's on the money isn't either.
Speaker 7: We're on the WAM and they one that being open
Speaker 7: to Indigenous businesses doing a whole range of things and
Speaker 7: maybe having a look at what's available in indigenous businesses
Speaker 7: first when you're buying something.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned before Andy Vanya supply Nation, So I
Speaker 5: want to just flag that now, put that in the
Speaker 5: show notes. That is a resource that we are able
Speaker 5: to go to to find indigenous essentially workers across the board.
Speaker 5: So if we need someone to do some work, we
Speaker 5: can go there, check first, and then go outside of that.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's actually really helpful because a
Speaker 5: lot of the time we'll say things like oh yeah,
Speaker 5: look for this first, but let's be honest. Sometimes we're like, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know where to look. And I mentioned just
Speaker 5: google Indigenous painter, Indigenous you know builder. And I think
Speaker 5: that having these resources means that we can actually go
Speaker 5: all right, well, I know that I can go there
Speaker 5: and find the right resource, And I think that that's
Speaker 5: really practical and helpful. How else can we as consumers
Speaker 5: show up for black businesses?
Speaker 7: So buying black, we put out resources at Evolve each
Speaker 7: you and we'll share with you, you know, the places to
Speaker 7: go to find out certified Indigenous businesses. On social media too,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of groups popping up that I find
Speaker 7: quite useful, and you can join those as an ally,
Speaker 7: Like there's one on Facebook that I'm part of now
Speaker 7: and it's for Indigenous businesses to promote what they're doing.
Speaker 7: The idea of that is that non Indigenous people like
Speaker 7: myself can join that and be across. And this is
Speaker 7: fairly informal, so it's for new businesses that might not
Speaker 7: have gone through all the formal steps yet, but all
Speaker 7: sorts of things. I think just start with some practical things.
Speaker 7: I think, well, okay, you know there's ten birthdays I
Speaker 7: buy for. I'm going to have a girl at two
Speaker 7: of those, buying something from an Indigenous business. Start where
Speaker 7: it's a bit easier, Like when I've said that Indigenous
Speaker 7: businesses do all sorts of things, maybe you might want
Speaker 7: to start at some of the things that are a
Speaker 7: bit simpler, like obvious things like gifts. A lot of
Speaker 7: people told us Anti Manya's children's.
Speaker 5: Book, Oh I was telling you that off air like
Speaker 5: Seasons is one of my favorite books. I know my
Speaker 5: son is only ten weeks old at this point in time,
Speaker 5: and yeah, so like he hasn't fully engaged.
Speaker 1: But it's one of my favorite books to read him.
Speaker 5: And you know, if it's my favorite, it's going to
Speaker 5: have to become his favorite. But that is a beautiful
Speaker 5: resource that you can give to children. And I feel
Speaker 5: like kids they connect even deeper than we can as
Speaker 5: adults who you know, are trying to reconnect like kids
Speaker 5: automatically get it. It's crazy how intelligent and smart and
Speaker 5: respectful they are from the get go. I feel like
Speaker 5: a lot of things that they learn and that they
Speaker 5: express as adults are learned behaviors, and that's really sad.
Speaker 5: So I think start from when they're tiny and go
Speaker 5: from there.
Speaker 1: Completely agree exactly.
Speaker 7: So a lot of people did buy that book for
Speaker 7: Christmas as well this year.
Speaker 1: Genius.
Speaker 5: I had yours on pre order for ages Auntie Manya,
Speaker 5: and then when it arrived, I was shocked.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it's here finally.
Speaker 7: The practical thing people can do whenever they buy from
Speaker 7: an indigenous business is to share that we loved when
Speaker 7: we saw people with photos. For example, with Auntie Manya's book,
Speaker 7: and they put it on social media. What's been really
Speaker 7: lovely now is we're getting a lot of preschools. They're
Speaker 7: doing whole projects based on this book. But if you
Speaker 7: were to buy something wearable or even sheets, lately, I've
Speaker 7: been buying all my linen in the indigenous designs. But
Speaker 7: take a photo of that, share it if you're on
Speaker 7: social media, share on social media, or if you really
Speaker 7: liked it, share it with your friends. Hey, I bought this,
Speaker 7: and you know you might want to think about something
Speaker 7: like this, So let's get the message out there. That's
Speaker 7: a really practical way everyone can support indigenous businesses. I
Speaker 7: think that what you do after you've bought it is
Speaker 7: probably as important as it's the act of buying it.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I agree.
Speaker 5: I actually I think that's funny that you say sheets
Speaker 5: color because I recently had a baby. Not to keep
Speaker 5: bringing that up, but Harvey was born. And when you
Speaker 5: have a baby in Victoria, and I'm sure it's the
Speaker 5: same in every other state, they have some type of
Speaker 5: like baby bonus, And so for your first baby, they
Speaker 5: send you home with a baby bag and I'll send
Speaker 5: you a picture. But inside the baby bag was this
Speaker 5: beautiful like Muslim rap for Harvey and like everyone gets
Speaker 5: the same one, and it's got the most beautiful indigenous
Speaker 5: print on there of like kangaroos and little footsteps, and
Speaker 5: I am obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: It's like my favorite wrap.
Speaker 5: And the second I got it, I was like, Ani
Speaker 5: Manya would love this, Like this is perfect and it's
Speaker 5: just these beautiful colors and you know when you just go,
Speaker 5: I wish this was something that if I had walked
Speaker 5: into like pure Baby, it was just on the shelves
Speaker 5: for me to purchase because it's just so nice to go.
Speaker 5: This feels connected. But also, let's be honest, the artwork
Speaker 5: is stunning. Why aren't we buying more of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I completely agree.
Speaker 7: Yeah, actually you'll have a field day with little Harvey.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: There's so many beautiful products for babies.
Speaker 4: Now, just shifting kys a little bit. I want to
Speaker 4: know how have things changed for Evolve after last year's referendum.
Speaker 1: Oh, big question? Next going hard.
Speaker 5: We're talking about baby blankets and you're like, yes, but
Speaker 5: I want to know about them.
Speaker 1: Let's schedule the nitty gritty.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the referendum was huge. I think we did like
Speaker 7: fifty online yarning webinars to different organizations about it at
Speaker 7: the time and public it was devastating the result. And
Speaker 7: so what we didn't evolve is we allowed people space
Speaker 7: for grieving. You know, everyone grieves differently. Yeah, and I
Speaker 7: know many Indigenous organizations chose to have a period of
Speaker 7: grieving or sorry business at evolved. We decided to go
Speaker 7: straight to action because that's how we processed it well.
Speaker 6: We particularly didn't want to lose sight of the fact
Speaker 6: that how many people can vote.
Speaker 7: Over six million people voted voltag.
Speaker 6: Yes, and to not lose sight of that, like that
Speaker 6: was goodwill.
Speaker 1: That's special. It's not enough, but that is special.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we thought that's really significant and we don't
Speaker 6: want to lose that. And so we came out with
Speaker 6: a pledge soon after the Allied Pledge asking people to
Speaker 6: take the pledge to continue to show up for First
Speaker 6: Nations Peoples over three people pledge.
Speaker 7: So we will definitely provide the link for that pledge.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, please, We'll put it in the show notes.
Speaker 5: And I think that that is really really important knowing
Speaker 5: our community, maybe we could double that three thousand.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And so in terms of the demand and
Speaker 7: how it's affected things, it's increased demand, if anything, so
Speaker 7: it's highlighted the importance of this conversation to continue and
Speaker 7: the role of allies. It's even further galvanized our allied community. Yes,
Speaker 7: that's why we didn't want to stop, because we knew
Speaker 7: people were going to come to us and say where
Speaker 7: did we go and what's next? We don't want to
Speaker 7: stop here. So it's actually, in an odd way, I
Speaker 7: don't think the desire, the fuel, the momentum for change
Speaker 7: has been stopped. If anything, it's probably increased.
Speaker 4: That's really good to hear, actually, because it really was devastating.
Speaker 4: It just kind of made you realize like you're kind
Speaker 4: of living in your own little bubble. Sometimes you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: everyone around me is an ally, everyone around me supports yes,
Speaker 4: and how many realize it's not the case is really devastating.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I found that very confronting. As somebody who you
Speaker 5: know was the hardest of yes is. I just assumed
Speaker 5: everybody else was too, because like the people that I
Speaker 5: surround myself with were unequivocally yes as well, and so
Speaker 5: it was kind of like, well, obviously it's going to
Speaker 5: be yes. Like you know, Beck and I would talk
Speaker 5: about it I talk about with our producers, I talk
Speaker 5: about with my friends and my family, and not one
Speaker 5: person even expressed that no was even an option, And
Speaker 5: so I think when it came back negatively, I was
Speaker 5: just like, Wow, I am so privileged to live in a.
Speaker 1: Bubble that is a yes bubble, but there are.
Speaker 5: Still so many people who don't understand, so many people
Speaker 5: who don't have that privilege, and there's clearly so much
Speaker 5: work to do that it made me really think about
Speaker 5: how much we need to step up as allies and
Speaker 5: stop speaking just to our bubbles and start speaking outside
Speaker 5: of that and start going wow, like, you know, just
Speaker 5: because it's not a problem that I see every day
Speaker 5: because I'm not experiencing it, and you know, the Indigenous
Speaker 5: friends that I have, you know, one of one, like,
Speaker 5: it's not something that we discussed because we're all just like, well,
Speaker 5: we're on same page, right, Like, how do we expand
Speaker 5: that outside of the conversations that we're having. And I
Speaker 5: guess that's why it's so important that you know, Beck
Speaker 5: and I use She's on the money as a voice
Speaker 5: for hopeful change and as a voice to educate us,
Speaker 5: because the more of us that talk about it the
Speaker 5: more change that can be facilitated. And sadly, it doesn't
Speaker 5: matter how much money is thrown at something like this.
Speaker 5: You can't just put money in people's mouths and hope
Speaker 5: that they're going to change their mindset. There's so much
Speaker 5: of a shift that needs to happen that's mental, and
Speaker 5: so much of a shift that needs to happen that's
Speaker 5: about inclusivity. It's not actually just about you know, buying
Speaker 5: black and that's supportive, but it's not just that.
Speaker 6: And I think it's reinforced by this year's message for
Speaker 6: Reconciliation Week. It's now more than ever we need your
Speaker 6: support and you know, given the results of a referendum
Speaker 6: and moving forward, we would.
Speaker 7: Never be negative about people that voted no at evolved.
Speaker 7: We have a really simple three step approach to allyship, reflect,
Speaker 7: you know, identify what's the heart of the issue, relate,
Speaker 7: put yourself in the other person's shoes, and reconcile, find
Speaker 7: a way forward together. Everything in life is a mutual
Speaker 7: learning opportunity. For example, if someone said something to me
Speaker 7: that I thought was racist, I would never do anything
Speaker 7: to suggest or even think that I know better or
Speaker 7: to make that person feel strong or shame, blame or guilt.
Speaker 7: It's a mutual learning opportunity if the other person's open
Speaker 7: to it. Yes, this is a growth point for the country.
Speaker 7: So we certainly need to have those conversations. We need
Speaker 7: to understand why people voted no, and continue to have
Speaker 7: those conversations, exploring each other's different experiences and perspectives without
Speaker 7: making one right or wrong. I wasn't in a bubble.
Speaker 7: I kept putting up signs and they kept getting vandalone.
Speaker 5: That's disgusting, honestly, Like it's not even just disappointed, it's
Speaker 5: actually disgusting, Like it's such a lack of understanding, the compassion.
Speaker 4: And empathy and all these things like why would you
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 5: And irrespective of what was on your sign, like, let
Speaker 5: people have their opinions, let people have their voice.
Speaker 1: They deserve that.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if you put a sign up that
Speaker 5: said my favorite color is pink, and then I'm jumping
Speaker 5: up and down and being like, but I like green,
Speaker 5: Like you can have your choice.
Speaker 1: But it's all about education, right it is.
Speaker 7: So in that case, I did apply the three hours.
Speaker 7: I did write a piece offering to meet this person.
Speaker 7: I'd love to meet you I'd love to buy you
Speaker 7: some nose signs.
Speaker 5: You can have your little opinion. Absolutely that makes you
Speaker 5: a bigger person than me.
Speaker 7: Color I don't know about that. Then someone commented, which
Speaker 7: I didn't know what it meant to virtue signaling, No,
Speaker 7: which I discovered means that you're just doing something to
Speaker 7: make yourself look good. And that's another big conversation we
Speaker 7: have around work. But you know, calling something work or
Speaker 7: someone virtue signaling, they're just ways of shutting down a conversation.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I would have loved to have talked more about
Speaker 7: how was I virtue signaling? Let me understand that.
Speaker 4: And also I think that usually virtue signaling is when
Speaker 4: you say, for example, you're not actually an ally and
Speaker 4: you're not actually wanting to vote yes, but you just
Speaker 4: say you are to look good.
Speaker 5: This is kind of different, like a misdirected comment. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is absolutely no way someone like you was true Signalingly.
Speaker 4: You're actively putting yourself in a very uncomfortable spot. You're
Speaker 4: probably quite vulnerable and going to have your feelings talking
Speaker 4: to someone who is seemingly aggressively against everything that you
Speaker 4: stand for. And so I think that's really beautiful what
Speaker 4: you're doing. I think that's a really amazing way to
Speaker 4: go about it. So virtue signaling, I absolutely not.
Speaker 5: We'll be like, no, that's not not happened, no sit down.
Speaker 5: I think it's a lack of education on their part.
Speaker 5: Even using the term virtue signaling to somebody like you,
Speaker 5: you'd be like, do you realize what that means? I
Speaker 5: don't think you've directed this in the right way completely.
Speaker 7: It was a mutual learning opportunity. Like I said, I
Speaker 7: didn't actually know what that meant.
Speaker 1: You're too kind.
Speaker 5: You accepted it and said wow, okay, well I will
Speaker 5: take that on board, and sometimes you have to say
Speaker 5: absolutely not, well that's right.
Speaker 7: Being an ally, it's so important to learn how to
Speaker 7: be open to feedback, in this case from First Nations people,
Speaker 7: and to learn from your own mistakes. Also important is
Speaker 7: self care. When we're talking about interrupting racism, we don't
Speaker 7: suggest you do it in every situation. You know, it's
Speaker 7: got to be a situation that's safe for you. As
Speaker 7: an ally, You've still got to look after yourself. For us,
Speaker 7: non Indigenous allies at Evolve during the Voice twenty sixth
Speaker 7: of January is saying where can we step up and
Speaker 7: take the cultural load of Auntie Mania and our first
Speaker 7: Nation team members. That's huge. But even through the twenty
Speaker 7: sixth of January this year, even as a non Indigenous
Speaker 7: ally and director of Evolve, I had to step back
Speaker 7: a bit too, you know, I had to realize my
Speaker 7: limits around self care. Some of the commentary on the
Speaker 7: social media on our posts around the twenty sixth January
Speaker 7: was really bad. It was really hurtful. So I didn't
Speaker 7: engage in that either. Fortunately we've got team members that did.
Speaker 5: I was about to ask, how are you guys managing that?
Speaker 5: Because you need to keep your cups full so you
Speaker 5: can continue to pour from them, and stuff like that
Speaker 5: just eats away at you. And you know, you and
Speaker 5: I could sit down and talk about how, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously hurt people, hurt people, and not kind people make
Speaker 5: comments like that online. I mean, I don't think any
Speaker 5: one of us in this conversation right now would ever
Speaker 5: comment on anybody's appearance or what they're doing or how.
Speaker 1: They're doing it.
Speaker 5: We just go, that's absolutely gross, Like that's just not
Speaker 5: who we are or the types of people that we are,
Speaker 5: and the type of person that would past comment like
Speaker 5: that online you go, there must be something more going on.
Speaker 1: But that's such a level of emotional.
Speaker 5: Energy that you just don't have when our cause is
Speaker 5: so much bigger. So I was about to ask, do
Speaker 5: you have a team that takes that away and hides
Speaker 5: that from you so that you don't have to deal
Speaker 5: with that burden.
Speaker 6: My team actually goes through my TikTok and removes all
Speaker 6: the negative comments before I can even get to look
Speaker 6: at them. That's one great thing. Yeah, we do.
Speaker 7: And also, you know with the team too, going back
Speaker 7: to our three core values you know about kindness, is
Speaker 7: we also look at ways that we support each other
Speaker 7: as well. But they really stepped up. They always step
Speaker 7: up our team in terms of trying to decrease the
Speaker 7: impact of that cultural load and cultural burden. And that's
Speaker 7: another whole module that we teach around. When you're talking
Speaker 7: about attraction and retention in the workplace, we talk a
Speaker 7: lot about what this thing is called cultural load. You know,
Speaker 7: that's a really important part of cultural safety in a
Speaker 7: workplace is knowing what cultural load is and addressing it.
Speaker 7: So an example of cultural load would be always going
Speaker 7: to your first nation staff member and asking them to
Speaker 7: organize something for NATOP week, for example, they might be.
Speaker 1: The accountant, completely unrelated.
Speaker 7: That's an example of what we mean by cultural loads.
Speaker 7: You know, it's not enumerated, it's just assumed. So something
Speaker 7: to be aware as an ally where we always start
Speaker 7: the journey of our lies. Well, I started in two places.
Speaker 7: One is craving for a connection with the First Nations
Speaker 7: person and this was at a very young age, at
Speaker 7: a young age, being very confused about the absence of
Speaker 7: Aboriginal people and culture in everything in my schooling, in
Speaker 7: my community. This is back in the seventies. And then
Speaker 7: as I got older, realizing oh, there's more people like me,
Speaker 7: and also I feel quite scared about saying or doing
Speaker 7: the wrong thing. I don't know where to start. And
Speaker 7: then we've discovered, you know, there's so many more people
Speaker 7: like this in life, and that's why we make our
Speaker 7: learning environments free of blame, shame or guilt, and we
Speaker 7: do focus on the practical, simple things places you can start.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: I feel like your community is very much there's no
Speaker 5: such thing as a silly question community. And that might
Speaker 5: seem very funny to say, but you really do walk
Speaker 5: the walk in that aspect. Like I mentioned earlier that
Speaker 5: you know, obviously Auntie Manya. I'm friends with you on
Speaker 5: TikTok and I love seeing your content. But I feel
Speaker 5: like I've seen a shift in the way people ask questions,
Speaker 5: and they're now saying, oh, actually, I've always.
Speaker 1: Wondered, is this okay for me to say?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I allowed to call you auntie Manya? And you're like,
Speaker 1: of course you are, Like are you allowed to do this?
Speaker 1: What does that look?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How does this work? And I think that sometimes we.
Speaker 5: Actually have to strip it back to really bear basics
Speaker 5: and go, well, why do we call you Aunti manya?
Speaker 1: How does that work?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: What cultural significance does that have? I'm not indigenous? Am
Speaker 5: I allowed to refer to you that way? And I
Speaker 5: think that it's just broken down in such a beautiful
Speaker 5: way that it becomes part of our language and it
Speaker 5: becomes second nature. And I think that that's what you know,
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for, and I'm assuming you guys are hoping
Speaker 5: for that. It just becomes oh, yeah, of course we
Speaker 5: know what that means. But right now we don't live
Speaker 5: in that privileged world of knowing, and you're extending that
Speaker 5: privilege to us to teach us, and I think that
Speaker 5: that deserves a lot more respect than it gets because
Speaker 5: that would be another massive cultural load being asked the
Speaker 5: same questions over and over being us. You know, when
Speaker 5: reconciliation happened fifty webinars, like.
Speaker 1: My gosh, you would have been exhausted.
Speaker 5: And I see why you're the gold standard of why
Speaker 5: people want to learn from you, but my gosh, you
Speaker 5: would have been so tired.
Speaker 7: We're doing a lot and we have a great team,
Speaker 7: and we're expanding that team, so we actually have a
Speaker 7: whole pathway that people become a credited ally US and
Speaker 7: from that, we also have a select group of people
Speaker 7: that become accredited facilitators, so we have facilitators in each
Speaker 7: state and also facilitators doing online. So Auntie and I
Speaker 7: are pretty much only these days doing keynote speaking and
Speaker 7: the larger webinars. So we have a really great, sustainable,
Speaker 7: growing family of people that can do this work.
Speaker 1: I adore it.
Speaker 5: I know I have taken up a lot of your
Speaker 5: time today and I am very very grateful for it.
Speaker 5: To be able to share you guys with our community
Speaker 5: is an absolute privilege. So last question, I promise, but
Speaker 5: what kinds of resources can we as a community engage
Speaker 5: you guys in on. We know that you do keynotes speaking,
Speaker 5: we know that you go into organizations, but what else
Speaker 5: I guess what can we engage with you on?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: So many ways and this bold obsession for ten million
Speaker 7: more allies. There's so many ways that you can engage
Speaker 7: with us, so many free resources on our website, which
Speaker 7: the link.
Speaker 1: Will be there, absolutely it will be.
Speaker 7: We've talked about ask any question. That is our philosophy evolved.
Speaker 7: There's no such thing as a silly question. So jump online.
Speaker 7: You can ask anything on Ask Auntie or ask an
Speaker 7: ally and we do a short video response. There's our books.
Speaker 7: They're in all the formats. There's practical reconciliation which takes
Speaker 7: you through those seven steps we talked about. There's Auntie's
Speaker 7: children's book series, Ask Auntie. There's Auntie's book Journey into
Speaker 7: dream Time. You can listen to them on audible or
Speaker 7: get the e book. They're in libraries. Apparently you can
Speaker 7: borrow them for free at libraries as well as an individual.
Speaker 7: You can become an accredited ally.
Speaker 4: That's really cool.
Speaker 7: I think we've got over five hundred accredited allies since
Speaker 7: we've launched that, and that's not just learning about these
Speaker 7: competencies and you need to demonstrate competencies. That's quite a
Speaker 7: longer deeper program. Any touch point you have with us,
Speaker 7: you're also joining a community. So our vision is of
Speaker 7: striving communities of allies across Australia. You can jump online
Speaker 7: and do our adapted privileged walk activity. That's a really
Speaker 7: important activity to do as allyship is understanding your own privilege.
Speaker 7: There's a diversity quiz. We have a downloadable calendar with
Speaker 7: significant dates. We collaborate with Soiretta and incredible indigenous artists,
Speaker 7: beautiful artwork on that. So we just love yarning with people,
Speaker 7: don't we yourself? Please reach out to us.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: I don't for our listeners and also for myself even
Speaker 4: because I've really had the privilege of meeting you both
Speaker 4: today and it's been just genuinely really amazing.
Speaker 1: Where can we find to you? Like, what do you
Speaker 1: have like TikTok TikTok? No you know I have you
Speaker 1: have anti monus?
Speaker 4: So where can we find you?
Speaker 7: Probably the main ways through our website so evolves with
Speaker 7: then s on the end dot com dot are you otherwise,
Speaker 7: we're on social LinkedIn. We do a lot on We
Speaker 7: have a lot of connections on LinkedIn. Auntie Manya is
Speaker 7: a leading voice on LinkedIn. In our organizational structure, they've
Speaker 7: got these co director and general manager. And Anti Manya
Speaker 7: is talent.
Speaker 1: Oh, nobody is surprised she's the talent.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 5: How does that make you feel, Anti Manya or are
Speaker 5: you just like obviously anyway here I am, I adore it.
Speaker 1: We can find you literally on any social switch. I love.
Speaker 5: Will put obviously a whole heap of resources into the
Speaker 5: show notes where you can find Karla and Anti Manya.
Speaker 5: We're also going to put some links to Supply Nation
Speaker 5: and the Indigenous Chamber of Commerce. You know, I want
Speaker 5: to pop in a link to the ally prilege. Obviously
Speaker 5: you've had over three thousand people sign up to that,
Speaker 5: but I.
Speaker 1: Think it can be way more than that, and.
Speaker 5: You know, information on how to become an accredited ally
Speaker 5: as well. There's just so much of you guys to share,
Speaker 5: and I'm so grateful that we got the opportunity to
Speaker 5: have you on the podcast again. It won't be the
Speaker 5: last time, but unfortunately we have run out of time
Speaker 5: today so again, really appreciate it. I know that our
Speaker 5: community gets a lot out of you know, our yarn's
Speaker 5: on the pod.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite things. So thank you and
Speaker 5: I can't wait to cross paths with you again very soon.
Speaker 7: We say go. Well, you did mention about potentially doubling
Speaker 7: our pledge through your allied community, so that's very exciting.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to work on it. We're going to
Speaker 1: be across it, especially this week. Thank you guys so much.
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