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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yor the

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Speaker 2: Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we

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Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of

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Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging

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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through

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Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. My name is beck

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Speaker 4: Syed and with me is Victoria Devine. Happy nato Q Weekfidi,

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 5: I am very excited about this Happy naydoc Queak nato

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Speaker 5: Week celebrates and recognizes the history, culture, and achievements of

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Speaker 5: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and we thought it

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Speaker 5: was a wonderful opportunity to welcome back friends of the

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Speaker 5: show and two very special women, the two directors of

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Speaker 5: evolved Communities. Auntie Manya Andrews and Carla Rodgers friends, welcome back.

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Speaker 6: Great to be here, so gad to see you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you. We love the show. We're number one fans.

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Speaker 1: Oh you suer cute.

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Speaker 5: We are also so excited to have you guys back,

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Speaker 5: because today we're going to be chatting about the challenges

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Speaker 5: faced by black businesses in Australia, how we can actually

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Speaker 5: show up as our lives, and how businesses can be

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Speaker 5: more inclusive and honestly so much more. But to start off, guys,

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Speaker 5: what does this year's NADOC theme, keep the Fire Burning Black,

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Speaker 5: Loud and Proud mean to you?

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Speaker 6: Keep the fires burning It's about keeping the spirit alive,

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Speaker 6: spirit of country, spirit of ancestors, and spirit of culture.

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Speaker 6: Keep that burning because that's what guards us through life.

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Speaker 6: And long as the fires are maintained, then we're maintained

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Speaker 6: and sustained. So for me, on that very larger level,

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Speaker 8: A non indigenous ally, it's very much keeping the fire

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Speaker 8: also the fire alive of us as non Indigenous Austrains

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Speaker 8: learning from First Nations wisdom learning from the oldest continuous culture.

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Speaker 7: In the world.

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Speaker 8: There's so many ways that we can grow and heal

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Speaker 8: as a country if we were to open our hearts

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Speaker 8: and minds to First Nations people and their wisdom and

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Speaker 8: always I have found First Nations people so generous and

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Speaker 4: That's really really beautifully said. Now, evolved communities exist to

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Speaker 4: build awareness of Aboriginal terres Strait islander culture and encourage

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Speaker 4: reconciliation and allyship. I can see literally that you guys

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Speaker 4: have such a nice and close connection and comfort between

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Speaker 8: Always a story and I'm not a quick storytellerself, I'm

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Speaker 8: trying to I actually found it evolved in two thousand

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Speaker 8: Called a Churchill Fellowship, which enables you to go overseas

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Speaker 7: So I was looking at the involvement of.

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Speaker 7: The pace of change in government. So I started evolved

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Speaker 8: Fast forward about five or six years and we had

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Speaker 8: team and who should be recommended but Anti Monia, Yes.

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Speaker 6: And then so I came on board and really then

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Speaker 6: Color and I got chatting about lots of things, but

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is a pretty lofty vision.

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Speaker 8: You know, it sounds very nice, a kind of more

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Speaker 8: And that's when we thought, well, it's non indigenous people

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Speaker 7: And what is it. What do we need to know?

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Speaker 8: What skills do we need to have, What understandings do

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Speaker 8: from this invitation. And that's when we developed what we

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Speaker 8: call the Seven Steps to Practical Reconciliation, which underpins all

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Speaker 8: our programs. It was actually sitting on a dock. I

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Speaker 8: can remember where we were. We were sitting on.

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Speaker 6: A wharf and all the kids, you jumping off the

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and beautiful blue water and the genesis. I guess

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Speaker 5: So not in a fancy boardroom, in a dock or

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Speaker 5: the way that we come up with ideas.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think we do play that song in the background.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it sounds good, but I want

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Speaker 1: It's just getting more people across what you guys.

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Speaker 5: Do, and I feel like you are popping up more

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Speaker 5: and more, Like Auntie Manya see you on TikTok all

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things ever. I feel like you.

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Speaker 5: Are one of the warmest souls, like you answer questions

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite. But I want to know a.

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Speaker 5: Bit more about the I guess idea that is so

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Speaker 5: central to what evolved do allyship for all of us?

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Speaker 5: How are we working towards that and achieving that? And

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Speaker 8: And just you having us on the show today and

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Speaker 7: So you're doing it right now. Anyone listening is doing

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Speaker 8: And what we emphasize that Evolve is that the first

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Speaker 7: But it doesn't have to be complex things.

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Speaker 8: Welcome can only be done by a traditional owner from

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Speaker 7: If you go for a walk, or if you're looking

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Speaker 8: It's about acknowledging the wisdom and feeling deeply grateful for

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Speaker 5: I think so many times when people are first introduced

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Speaker 1: Like I just feel so grateful to be.

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Speaker 5: Walking on the land that you know, people have looked

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Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of years before me, this land was

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Speaker 5: They just kill it every single time I want to

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Speaker 7: The first step is always self education.

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Speaker 8: And it's interesting what you say about self reflection and

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Speaker 4: Manya joining us. I just wanted to jump into Evolve.

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Speaker 8: It's who you are as a business, so it's your

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Speaker 7: The thing that's less scary is we talk.

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Speaker 8: A lot about what we have to learn from First

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Speaker 7: There's a model there for us to learn from.

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Speaker 5: The beauty that they bring to your culture, to your

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Speaker 8: There's two big things here we're talking about. One goes

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Speaker 7: Like what is it? And it's so true, Victoria.

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Speaker 7: That's the reality.

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Speaker 8: You know, ninety seven percent of our population is non indigenous,

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Speaker 7: You know, we've got something that superior First Nations people.

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Speaker 8: That's their reality that they're always expected to step in

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Speaker 7: But you're learning skills.

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Speaker 8: These skills are generic to all humans and to creating

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Speaker 1: I guess I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 5: I feel like so many people just miss the point,

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Speaker 5: I want to know, now, how can businesses actually attract, develop,

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Speaker 5: only adds so much to our culture and so much

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Speaker 8: We've just literally finished writing a program on this, haven't

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Speaker 7: We're specifically addressing that question.

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Speaker 8: Yes, the first answer is about creating cultural safety in

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Speaker 8: do this, but just celebrating in how much we can

443
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Speaker 8: grow as businesses as a country. You know, when we

444
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Speaker 8: get all these benefits of learning from First Nations people

445
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 8: and wisdom. So the first thing is looking at, well,

446
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 8: what is the culture of our company? How inclusive and

447
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 8: safe is it for a First Nations person to come

448
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 8: and work here. We find that the retention rates can

449
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 8: be so low for First Nations people because those foundations

450
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 8: aren't in place.

451
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 7: The workplace is very culturally unsafe.

452
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 8: So that's the first place to start if you're really

453
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 8: serious about this, is to looking at doing an audit

454
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Speaker 8: of existing cultural safety. Now that organization that I refer

455
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 8: to before our longest partner, they actually came to us

456
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 8: evolved to help them do exactly this attract and retain traineeships.

457
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 7: Now that was like eight years ago.

458
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Speaker 8: What we ended up doing with them was the first

459
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Speaker 8: six years was focused on building cultural safety and competency

460
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Speaker 8: in the organization because they realized that their trainee ships

461
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Speaker 8: were failing because there just wasn't that level of cultural

462
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Speaker 8: safety in the workplace.

463
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Speaker 1: And that's hard for them.

464
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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that's hard in terms of oh,

465
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Speaker 5: they've got to do some work. That would be a

466
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Speaker 5: hard realization to come to that you are not a

467
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Speaker 5: safe space right now. That would be challenging, but the

468
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Speaker 5: idea that they've stuck to it and said, no, we're

469
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Speaker 5: going to continue this. We're going to get you guys in.

470
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Speaker 5: We are changing. That's big, that's impressive.

471
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Speaker 7: It's massive, and they've just been so genuine about it.

472
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Speaker 8: We've mentioned cultural change, but on an individual level, we're

473
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Speaker 8: talking about behavioral change.

474
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Speaker 7: And that's why everything that.

475
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Speaker 8: We do is called practical reconciliation, practical ourship because Auntie

476
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 8: and I we are very practical. So anything you do

477
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 8: with us at Evolve will focus on the practical outcomes.

478
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 8: What are the behaviors that we need to change, What

479
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 8: are the practical.

480
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 7: Things that we can do.

481
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Speaker 8: You know, anything that you do with us is experiential,

482
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 8: so it's a journey of growth. So like we've got

483
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Speaker 8: lots of case studies of organizations doing this, there's some

484
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Speaker 8: organizations that we choose not to work with because we

485
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 8: can see that it is a ticker box exercise.

486
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Speaker 1: Oh God.

487
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Speaker 8: Where we start with the normally is we've only got

488
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Speaker 8: three values at Evolve. One is kindness and kindredness, and

489
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Speaker 8: another one is we are living our allies. And what

490
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 8: that means is that we walk our talk. And that's

491
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Speaker 8: what we ask of organizations, so we usually ask for

492
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Speaker 8: senior leaders the executive to go through our programs first.

493
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, as it should. Yeah, completely agree. I just

494
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Speaker 4: want to know through your work in community, do you

495
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Speaker 4: have a sense of the challenges faced by black owned

496
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Speaker 4: businesses in a Tralia.

497
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Speaker 8: I mean, we're majority Indigenous owned and our staff small team,

498
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 8: but it's half half half. So I think stereotypes is

499
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Speaker 8: probably the number one challenge. There are incredible Indigenous businesses

500
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 8: out there. Ye're quite diverse and doing amazing things like

501
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 8: high complex IT stuff, delivering all sorts of things, and

502
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Speaker 8: I think there's still a perception that Indigenous businesses only

503
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 8: do Indigenous things, right. It it's brilliant to support allyship,

504
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 8: to support reconciliation, it's bringing to buy black and by

505
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Speaker 8: presence from Indigenous businesses.

506
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Speaker 7: That's only a small thing. Now, if you in your

507
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 7: business need to get your air conditioning done in the building,

508
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 7: or you need the building painted, have a look and

509
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Speaker 7: see if there's an Indigenous business doing that. There's a

510
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Speaker 7: lot of Indigenous businesses in this service industry, in the

511
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Speaker 7: construction industry, facility management, so not just.

512
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Speaker 8: In cultural related things. Yeah, so I'd say that's one

513
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Speaker 8: big challenge Anti money, yeah, absolutely, and supply Nation. It's

514
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Speaker 8: the organization to go to to find out what businesses

515
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Speaker 8: are available. They have a list of providers that they

516
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Speaker 8: can supply to you. Some of the states have indigenous

517
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Speaker 8: Chambers of Commerce, so for instance, we're a member of

518
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Speaker 8: the New South Wales in Bridge, an organization Chamber of

519
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 8: Commerce and they've been absolutely very helpful to us as well.

520
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Speaker 8: We were very excited this year for Evolved when the

521
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Speaker 8: National Telstra Best Business Award for Building Community we were

522
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 8: finalists in two categories, Building Communities and Indigenous Excellence.

523
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Speaker 7: Excellence and we were just so thrilled to win Building

524
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Speaker 7: Communities because it's like.

525
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Speaker 6: That's what we're about.

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Speaker 7: Yes, they got us the winner last year.

527
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Speaker 8: So in the Indigenous Excellence category is a business in

528
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 8: Western Australia that specializes in geographic information systems, so just

529
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 8: like you know, putting it out there that it's different

530
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 8: things and they went on to win.

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Speaker 7: There's the winner of the winners nationally.

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Speaker 6: So for this year, I.

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Speaker 8: Think there was over twenty thousand entrants and it's small

534
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 8: and medium businesses, so medium businesses can have over one

535
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 8: hundred million dollar turnover I can tell you Evolve is not.

536
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Speaker 1: Doing Oh again, no, she's on the money isn't either.

537
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 8: We're on the WAM and they one that being open

538
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 8: to Indigenous businesses doing a whole range of things and

539
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 8: maybe having a look at what's available in indigenous businesses

540
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 8: first when you're buying something.

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Speaker 5: And you mentioned before Andy Vanya supply Nation, So I

542
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: want to just flag that now, put that in the

543
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Speaker 5: show notes. That is a resource that we are able

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Speaker 5: to go to to find indigenous essentially workers across the board.

545
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Speaker 5: So if we need someone to do some work, we

546
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Speaker 5: can go there, check first, and then go outside of that.

547
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Speaker 5: And I think that that's actually really helpful because a

548
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 5: lot of the time we'll say things like oh yeah,

549
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 5: look for this first, but let's be honest. Sometimes we're like, well,

550
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: I don't know where to look. And I mentioned just

551
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: google Indigenous painter, Indigenous you know builder. And I think

552
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 5: that having these resources means that we can actually go

553
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 5: all right, well, I know that I can go there

554
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 5: and find the right resource, And I think that that's

555
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: really practical and helpful. How else can we as consumers

556
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: show up for black businesses?

557
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Speaker 8: So buying black, we put out resources at Evolve each

558
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Speaker 8: you and we'll share with you, you know, the places to

559
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Speaker 8: go to find out certified Indigenous businesses. On social media too,

560
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 8: there's a lot of groups popping up that I find

561
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Speaker 8: quite useful, and you can join those as an ally,

562
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Speaker 8: Like there's one on Facebook that I'm part of now

563
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 8: and it's for Indigenous businesses to promote what they're doing.

564
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 8: The idea of that is that non Indigenous people like

565
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 8: myself can join that and be across. And this is

566
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 8: fairly informal, so it's for new businesses that might not

567
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 8: have gone through all the formal steps yet, but all

568
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 8: sorts of things.

569
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Speaker 7: I think just start with some practical things.

570
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Speaker 8: I think, well, okay, you know there's ten birthdays I

571
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 8: buy for. I'm going to have a girl at two

572
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 8: of those, buying something from an Indigenous business. Start where

573
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 8: it's a bit easier, Like when I've said that Indigenous

574
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 8: businesses do all sorts of things, maybe you might want

575
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Speaker 8: to start at some of the things that are a

576
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Speaker 8: bit simpler, like obvious things like gifts. A lot of

577
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Speaker 8: people told us Anti Manya's children's.

578
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Speaker 5: Book, Oh I was telling you that off air like

579
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Speaker 5: Seasons is one of my favorite books. I know my

580
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: son is only what ten weeks old at this point

581
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 5: in time, and yeah, so like he hasn't fully engaged.

582
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Speaker 1: But it's one of my favorite books to read him.

583
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: And you know, if it's my favorite, it's going to

584
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 5: have to become his favorite. But that is a beautiful

585
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 5: resource that you can give to children. And I feel

586
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 5: like kids they connect even deeper than we can as

587
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: adults who you know, are trying to reconnect like kids

588
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 5: automatically get it. It's crazy how intelligent and smart and

589
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 5: respectful they are from the get go. I feel like

590
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: a lot of things that they learn and that they

591
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: express as adults are learned behaviors, and that's really sad.

592
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Speaker 5: So I think start from when they're tiny and go

593
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Speaker 5: from there.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree exactly.

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Speaker 7: So a lot of people did buy that book for

596
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 7: Christmas as well this year.

597
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Speaker 1: Genius.

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Speaker 5: I had yours on pre order for ages Auntie Manya,

599
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Speaker 5: and then when it arrived, I was shocked.

600
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, it's here finally.

601
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Speaker 8: The practical thing people can do whenever they buy from

602
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 8: an indigenous business is to share that we loved when

603
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Speaker 8: we saw people with photos, for example with Auntie Manya's

604
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 8: book and they put it on social media.

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Speaker 7: What's been really lovely.

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Speaker 8: Now is we're getting a lot of preschools. They're doing

607
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 8: whole projects based on this book. But if you were

608
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Speaker 8: to buy something wearable or even.

609
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Speaker 7: Sheets, lately, I've been buying all my linen in the

610
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 7: indigenous designs. But take a photo of that, share it

611
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 7: if you're on social media, share on social media, or

612
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 7: if you really liked it, share it with your friends. Hey,

613
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 7: I bought this, and you know you might want to

614
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 7: think about something like this, So let's get the message

615
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 7: out there.

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Speaker 8: That's a really practical way everyone can support indigenous businesses.

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Speaker 8: I think that what you do after you've bought it

618
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 8: is probably as important as it's the act of buying it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, I agree.

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Speaker 5: I actually I think that's funny that you say sheets

621
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: color because I recently had a baby. Not to keep

622
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: bringing that up, but Harvey was born. And when you

623
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Speaker 5: have a baby in Victoria, and I'm sure it's the

624
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 5: same in every other state, they have some type of.

625
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Like baby bonus.

626
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: And so for your first baby, they send you home

627
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: with a baby bag and I'll send you a picture.

628
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: But inside the baby bag was this beautiful, like Muslim

629
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: rap for Harvey and like everyone gets the same one,

630
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: and it's got the most beautiful indigenous print on there

631
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Speaker 5: of like kangaroos and little footsteps and I am obsessed

632
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: with it.

633
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: It's like my favorite wrap.

634
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 5: And the second I got it, I was like, Ani

635
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: Manya would love this, Like this is perfect and it's

636
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: just these beautiful colors and you know when you just go,

637
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 5: I wish this was something that if I had walked into,

638
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 5: like pure Baby, it was just on the shelves for

639
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: me to purchase because it's just so nice to go.

640
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: This feels connected. But also, let's be honest, the artwork

641
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: is stunning. Why aren't we buying more of it?

642
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

643
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I completely agree.

644
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually you'll have a field day with little Harvey.

645
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: Now.

646
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 8: There's so many beautiful products for babies.

647
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 7: Now.

648
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: Just shifting kys a little bit. I want to know

649
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: how have things changed for Evolve after last year's referendum.

650
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: Oh, big question? Next going hard.

651
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 5: We're talking about baby blankets and you're like, yes, but

652
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 5: I want to know about them.

653
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: Let's schedule the nitty gritty.

654
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, the referendum was huge.

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Speaker 8: I think we did like fifty online yarning, webinars to

656
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 8: different organizations about it at the time and public.

657
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 7: It was devastating the result.

658
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 8: And so what we didn't evolve is we allowed.

659
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 7: People space for grieving. You know, everyone grieves differently.

660
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I know many Indigenous organizations chose to have

661
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 8: a period of grieving or.

662
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 7: Sorry business at evolved.

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 8: We decided to go straight to action because that's how

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Speaker 8: we processed it well.

665
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Speaker 6: We particularly didn't want to lose sight of the fact

666
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 6: that how many people can vote.

667
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 7: Over six million people voted voltag.

668
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 6: Yes, and to not lose sight of that, like that

669
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: was goodwill.

670
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: That's special. It's not enough, but that is special.

671
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we thought that's really significant and we don't

672
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 6: want to lose that. And so we came out with

673
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 6: a pledge soon after the Allied Pledge asking people to

674
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Speaker 6: take the pledge to continue to show up for First

675
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 6: Nations Peoples. Over three thousand people pledge. So we will

676
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 6: definitely provide the link for that pledge.

677
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: Oh yes, please, We'll put it in the show notes.

678
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 5: And I think that that is really really important knowing

679
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 5: our community. Maybe we could double that three thousand.

680
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And so in terms of the demand and

681
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 8: how it's affected things.

682
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 7: It's increased demand if anything.

683
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 8: So it's highlighted the importance of this conversation to continue and.

684
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 7: The role of allies.

685
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 8: It's even further galvanized our allied community. Yes, that's why

686
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 8: we didn't want to stop, because we knew people were

687
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 8: going to come to us and say where did we

688
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 8: go and what's next?

689
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 7: We don't want to stop here.

690
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 8: So it's actually, in an odd way, I don't think

691
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 8: the desire, the fuel, the momentum for change has been stopped.

692
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 8: If anything, it's probably increased.

693
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Speaker 4: That's really good to hear, actually, because it really was devastating.

694
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: It just kind of made you realize like you're kind

695
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: of living in your own little bubble. Sometimes you're like, oh,

696
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: everyone around me is an ally, everyone around me supports yes,

697
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: and how many realize it's not the case is really devastating.

698
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I found that very confronting, as somebody who you

699
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: know was the hardest of yes is. I just assumed

700
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 5: everybody else was too, because like the people that I

701
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 5: surround myself with were unequivocally yes as well, and so

702
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: it was kind of like, well, obviously it's going to

703
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: be yes, Like you know, Beck and I would talk

704
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 5: about it, talk about with our producers, I talk about

705
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: with my friends and my family, and not one person

706
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 5: even expressed that no was even an option, And so

707
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: I think when it came back negatively, I was just like, Wow,

708
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 5: I am so privileged to live in a.

709
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: Bubble that is a yes bubble, but there.

710
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 5: Are still so many people who don't understand, so many

711
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: people who don't have that privilege, and there's clearly so

712
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: much work to do that it made me really think

713
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: about how much we need to step up as allies

714
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: and stop speaking just to our bubbles and start speaking

715
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: outside of that and start going wow, like, you know,

716
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: just because it's not a problem that I see every

717
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: day because I'm not experiencing it, and you know, the

718
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: Indigenous friends that I have, you know, one of one, like,

719
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 5: it's not something that we discussed because we're all just like, well,

720
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 5: we're on same page, right, Like, how do we expand

721
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: that outside of the conversations that we're having. And I

722
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: guess that's why it's so important that you know, Beck

723
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 5: and I use She's on the money as a voice

724
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 5: for hopeful change and as a voice to educate us,

725
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: because the more of us that talk about it, the

726
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 5: more change that can be facilitated. And sadly, it doesn't

727
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: matter how much money is thrown at something like this.

728
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: You can't just put money in people's mouths and hope

729
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 5: that they're going to change their mindset. There's so much

730
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 5: of a shift that needs to happen that's mental, and

731
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: so much of a shift that needs to happen that's

732
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 5: about inclusivity. It's not actually just about you know, buying

733
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 5: black and that's supportive, but it's not just that.

734
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 6: And I think it's reinforced by this year's message for

735
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: Reconciliation Week. It's now more than ever we need your

736
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 6: support and you know, given the results of a referendum

737
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 6: and moving forward, we.

738
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 7: Would never be negative about people that voted no. At evolved.

739
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 8: We have a really simple three step approach to allyship, reflect,

740
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 8: you know, identify what's the heart of the issue, relate,

741
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: put yourself in the other person's shoes, and reconcile, find

742
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 8: a way forward together. Everything in life is a mutual

743
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 8: learning opportunity. For example, if someone said something to me

744
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 8: that I thought was racist, I would never do anything

745
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 8: to suggest or even think that I know better or

746
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 8: to make that person feel strong or shame, blame or guilt.

747
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 8: It's a mutual learning opportunity if the other person's open

748
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 8: to it. Yes, this is a growth point for the country.

749
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 8: So we certainly need to have those conversations. We need

750
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 8: to understand why people voted no, and continue to have

751
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 8: those conversations, exploring each other's different experiences and perspectives.

752
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 7: Without making one right or wrong.

753
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 8: I wasn't in a bubble. I kept putting up signs and.

754
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 6: They kept getting vandalone.

755
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 5: That's disgusting, honestly, Like it's not even just disappointed, it's

756
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 5: actually disgusting, Like it's such a lack of understanding, the compassion.

757
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: And empathy and all these things like why would you

758
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: do that?

759
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 5: And irrespective of what was on your sign, like, let

760
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: people have their opinions, let people have their voice.

761
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: They deserve that.

762
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if you put a sign up that

763
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: said my favorite color is pink, and then I'm jumping

764
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 5: up and down and being like, but I like green,

765
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 5: Like you can have your choice.

766
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: But it's all about education, right it is.

767
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 8: So in that case, I did apply the three hours.

768
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 8: I did write a piece offering to meet this person.

769
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 8: I'd love to meet you. I'd love to buy you

770
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 8: some nose signs.

771
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: You can have your little opinion. Absolutely that makes you

772
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: a bigger person than me.

773
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 7: Color I don't know about that.

774
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 8: Then someone commented, which I didn't know what it meant

775
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 8: to virtue signaling, No, which I discovered means that you're

776
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 8: just doing something to make yourself look good. And that's

777
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 8: another big conversation we have around work. But you know,

778
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 8: calling something work or someone virtue signaling, they're just ways

779
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 8: of shutting down a conversation.

780
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you.

781
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 8: Know, I would have loved to have talked more about

782
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 8: how was I virtue signaling?

783
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 7: Let me understand that.

784
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: And also I think that usually virtue signaling is when

785
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: you say, for example, you're not actually an ally and

786
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: you're not actually wanting to vote yes, but you just

787
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: say you are to look good.

788
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: This is kind of different, like a misdirected comment. Yeah,

789
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: this is absolutely no way someone like you was too Signalingly.

790
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: You're actively putting yourself in a very uncomfortable spot. You're

791
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 4: probably quite vulnerable and going to have your feelings talking

792
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: to someone who is seemingly aggressively against everything that you

793
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: stand for. And so I think that's really beautiful what

794
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: you're doing. I think that's a really amazing way to

795
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: go about it. So virtue signaling, I absolutely not.

796
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 5: We'll be like, no, that's not not happened, no sit down.

797
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 5: I think it's a lack of education on their part.

798
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: Even using the term virtue signaling to somebody like you,

799
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: you'd be like, do you realize what that means? I

800
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: don't think you've directed this in the right way completely.

801
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 8: It was a mutual learning opportunity. Like I said, I

802
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 8: didn't actually know what that meant.

803
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: You're too kind.

804
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 5: You accepted it and said wow, okay, well I will

805
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 5: take that on board, and sometimes you have to say

806
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: absolutely not, well that's right.

807
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 8: Being an ally, it's so important to learn how to

808
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 8: be open to feedback, in this case from First Nations people,

809
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 8: and to learn from your own mistakes. Also important is

810
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 8: self care. When we're talking about interrupting racism, we don't

811
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 8: suggest you do it in every situation. You know, it's

812
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 8: got to be a situation that's safe for you.

813
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 7: As an ally. You've still got to look after yourself.

814
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 8: For us, non Indigenous Allies at Evolve during the Voice

815
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 8: twenty sixth of January is saying where can we step

816
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 8: up and take the cultural load of Auntie Mania and

817
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 8: our first Nation team members.

818
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 7: That's huge. But even through the twenty sixth of January

819
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 7: this year, even as.

820
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 8: A non Indigenous ally and director of Evolve, I had

821
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 8: to step back a bit too, you know, I had

822
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 8: to realize my limits around self care. Some of the

823
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 8: commentary on the social media on our posts around the

824
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 8: twenty sixth January was really bad. It was really hurtful.

825
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 8: So I didn't engage in that either. Fortunately we've got

826
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 8: team members that did.

827
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 5: I was about to ask, how are you guys managing that?

828
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 5: Because you need to keep your cups full so you

829
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 5: can continue to pour from them, and stuff like that

830
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 5: just eats away at you. And you know, you and

831
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 5: I could sit down and talk about how, you know,

832
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 5: obviously hurt people, hurt people, and not kind people make

833
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 5: comments like that online. I mean, I don't think any

834
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 5: one of us in this conversation right now would ever

835
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: comment on anybody's appearance or what they're doing or how.

836
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: They're doing it.

837
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: We just go, that's absolutely gross, Like that's just not

838
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 5: who we are or the types of people that we are,

839
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: and the type of person that would past comment like

840
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: that online, you go, there must be something more going on.

841
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: But that's such a level of emotional.

842
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 5: Energy that you just don't have when our cause is

843
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 5: so much bigger. So I was about to ask, do

844
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: you have a team that takes that away and hides

845
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: that from you so that you don't have to deal

846
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: with that burden.

847
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: My team actually goes through my TikTok and removes all

848
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 6: the negative comments before I can even get to look

849
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 6: at them. That's one great thing.

850
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, we do.

851
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 8: And also, you know with the team too, going back

852
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 8: to our three core values you know about kindness, is

853
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 8: we also look at ways that we support each other

854
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 8: as well. But they really stepped up. They always step

855
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 8: up our team in terms of trying to decrease the

856
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 8: impact of that cultural load and cultural burden. And that's

857
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 8: another whole module that we teach around. When you're talking

858
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 8: about attraction and retention in the workplace, we talk a

859
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 8: lot about what this thing is called cultural load. You know,

860
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 8: that's a really important part of cultural safety in a

861
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 8: workplace is knowing what cultural load is and addressing it.

862
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 8: So an example of cultural load would be always going

863
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 8: to your first nation staff member and asking them to

864
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 8: organize something for NATOP week, for example, they might.

865
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: Be the accountant, completely unrelated.

866
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 8: That's an example of what we mean by cultural loads.

867
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 8: You know, it's not enumerated, it's just assumed. So something

868
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 8: to be aware as an ally where we always start

869
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 8: the journey of our lies.

870
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 7: Well, I started in two places. One is craving for

871
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 7: a connection.

872
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 8: With the First Nations person and this was at a

873
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 8: very young age, at a young age, being very confused

874
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 8: about the absence of Aboriginal people and culture in everything

875
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 8: in my schooling, in my community. This is back in

876
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 8: the seventies. And then as I got older, realizing oh,

877
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 8: there's more people like me, and also I feel quite

878
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 8: scared about saying or doing the wrong thing. I don't

879
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 8: know where to start. And then we've discovered, you know,

880
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 8: there's so many more people like this in life, and

881
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 8: that's why we make our learning environments free of blame,

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 8: shame or guilt, and we do focus on the practical,

883
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Speaker 8: simple things places you can start.

884
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Speaker 1: I love it.

885
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 5: I feel like your community is very much there's no

886
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 5: such thing as a silly question community. And that might

887
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 5: seem very funny to say, but you really do walk

888
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: the walk in that aspect. Like I mentioned earlier that

889
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: you know, obviously Auntie Manya. I'm friends with you on

890
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 5: TikTok and I love seeing your content. But I feel

891
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: like I've seen a shift in the way people ask questions,

892
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: and they're now saying, oh, actually, I've always.

893
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Wondered, is this okay for me to say?

894
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: Like?

895
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Am I allowed to call you auntie Manya? And you're like,

896
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: of course you are, Like are you allowed to do this?

897
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: What does that look?

898
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: Like?

899
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: How does this work? And I think that sometimes we.

900
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 5: Actually have to strip it back to really bear basics

901
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: and go, well, why do we call you Aunti manya?

902
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: How does that work?

903
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: Like?

904
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 5: What cultural significance does that have? I'm not indigenous? Am

905
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 5: I allowed to refer to you that way? And I

906
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: think that it's just broken down in such a beautiful

907
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 5: way that it becomes part of our language and it

908
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: becomes second nature. And I think that that's what you know,

909
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for, and I'm assuming you guys are hoping

910
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: for that. It just becomes oh, yeah, of course we

911
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 5: know what that means. But right now we don't live

912
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: in that privileged world of knowing, and you're extending that

913
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 5: privilege to us to teach us, and I think that

914
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: that deserves a lot more respect than it gets because

915
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 5: that would be another massive cultural load being asked the

916
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 5: same questions over and over being us. You know, when

917
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 5: reconciliation happened fifty webinars, like.

918
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Speaker 1: My gosh, you would have been exhausted.

919
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: And I see why you're the gold standard of why

920
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: people want to learn from you, but my gosh, you

921
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 5: would have been so tired.

922
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 8: We're doing a lot and we have a great team,

923
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 8: and we're expanding that team, so we actually have a

924
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 8: whole pathway that people become a credited ally US and

925
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 8: from that, we also have a select group of people

926
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Speaker 8: that become a credited facilitators, so we have facilitators in

927
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 8: each state and also facilitators doing online. So Auntie and

928
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 8: I are pretty much only these days doing keynote speaking

929
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 8: and the larger webinars. So we have a really great, sustainable,

930
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 8: growing family of people that can do this work.

931
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Speaker 1: I adore it.

932
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 5: I know I have taken up a lot of your

933
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: time today and I am very very grateful for it.

934
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: To be able to share you guys with our community

935
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: is an absolute privilege. So last question, I promise but

936
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Speaker 5: what kinds of resources can we as a community engage

937
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: you guys in on. We know that you do keynotes speaking,

938
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: we know that you go into organizations, but what else

939
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: I guess what can we engage with you on?

940
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: Oh?

941
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 8: So many ways and this bold obsession for ten million

942
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 8: more allies. There's so many ways that you can engage

943
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 8: with us.

944
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 7: So many free resources on our website, which the link.

945
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Will be there, absolutely it will be.

946
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 8: We've talked about ask any question. That is our philosophy evolved.

947
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 8: There's no such thing as a silly question. So jump online.

948
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 8: You can ask anything on Ask Auntie or ask an

949
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 8: ally and we do a short video response.

950
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 7: There's our books, they're in all the formats.

951
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 8: There's practical reconciliation, which takes you through those seven steps

952
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 8: we talked about. There's Auntie's children's book series Ask Auntie,

953
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 8: there's Auntie's book Journey into dream Time.

954
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 7: You can listen to them on audible or get the

955
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 7: e book. They're in libraries.

956
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 8: Apparently you can borrow them for free at libraries as

957
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 8: well as an individual.

958
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 7: You can become an accredited ally.

959
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: That's really cool.

960
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 7: I think we've got.

961
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Speaker 8: Over five hundred accredited allies since we've launched that, and

962
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 8: that's not just learning about these competencies and you need

963
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 8: to demonstrate competencies. That's quite a longer deeper program. Any

964
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 8: touch point you have with us, you're also joining a community,

965
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 8: So our vision is of striving communities of allies across Australia.

966
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Speaker 8: You can jump online and do our adapted privileged walk activity.

967
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 8: That's a really important activity to do as allyship is

968
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 8: understanding your own privilege.

969
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 7: There's a diversity quiz.

970
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 8: We have a downloadable calendar with significant dates. We collaborate

971
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Speaker 8: with Suretta and incredible indigenous artists, beautiful artwork on that.

972
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Speaker 8: So we just love yarning with people, don't we yourself?

973
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Speaker 8: Please reach out to us.

974
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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

975
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Speaker 4: I don't for our listeners and also for myself even

976
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Speaker 4: because I've really had the privilege of meeting you both

977
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: today and it's been just genuinely really amazing.

978
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Speaker 1: Where can we find to you? Like, what do you

979
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: have like TikTok TikTok?

980
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Speaker 2: No?

981
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Speaker 1: You know I have?

982
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Speaker 4: You have anti monus? So where can we find you?

983
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 8: Probably the main ways through our website so evolves with

984
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Speaker 8: then s on the end dot com dot are you

985
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 8: otherwise we're on social LinkedIn. We do a lot on

986
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 8: We have a lot of connections on LinkedIn. Auntie Manya

987
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 8: is a leading voice on LinkedIn. In our organizational structure,

988
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 8: they've got these co director and general manager.

989
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 7: And Anti Manya is talent.

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00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh, nobody is surprised she's the talent.

991
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 7: I like that.

992
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 5: How does that make you feel, Anti Manya or are

993
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 5: you just like obviously anyway here I am, I adore it.

994
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: We can find you literally on any social switch. I love.

995
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 5: Will put obviously a whole heap of resources into the

996
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 5: show notes where you can find Karla and Anti Manya.

997
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 5: We're also going to put some links to Supply Nation

998
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 5: and the Indigenous Chamber of Commerce. You know, I want

999
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: to pop in a link to the ally prilege. Obviously

1000
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Speaker 5: you've had over three thousand people sign up to that,

1001
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 5: but I think it can be way more than that,

1002
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 5: and you know, information on how to become an accredited

1003
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 5: ally as well. There's just so much of you guys

1004
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 5: to share, and I'm so grateful that we got the

1005
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 5: opportunity to have you on the podcast again. It won't

1006
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 5: be the last time, but unfortunately we have run out

1007
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 5: of time today, so again, really appreciate it. I know

1008
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 5: that our community gets a lot out of you know,

1009
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 5: our yarn's on the pod.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

1011
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite things. So thank you and

1012
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 5: I can't wait to cross paths with you again very soon.

1013
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 7: We say go.

1014
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 8: Well, you did mention about potentially doubling our pledge through

1015
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 8: your allied community, so that's very exciting.

1016
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to work on it. We're going to

1017
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Speaker 1: be across it, especially this week. Thank you guys so much.

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