1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: once answers. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: Now, Okay, school holidays continue, first week of January done. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if we should be counting down the 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: year already. Maybe maybe let's just enjoy the holidays and 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: stop counting. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's my. 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: I've created a habit over the years of just counting 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: the weeks and the days, the months as our life 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: disappears before our eyes, and it happens faster and faster 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 3: as you get. 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Older and older. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: Families dot com, do a You, and the host of 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 3: Oh Sorry, the co host and parenting expert on Channel 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: nine's Parental Guidance Season two coming soon. 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm here with Kylie, my wife mo to our six kids. 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: Kylie, the idea with our summer series is to keep 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: our podcast under five minutes. We've been doing a terrible 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: job of it all week because we're pretty pumped about 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: making this year the best year ever and being the 23 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: best parents we can be this year. So we've been 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: talking about all kinds of things related to goals and 25 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: systems and journaling and doing all the things that make 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: life great Today, we just want to talk about one 27 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: simple thing, and. 28 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: That is the power of habit. Charles Dewi wrote a 29 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: book called that a few years ago. 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: James Clear followed that up with Atomic Habits, which is 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 3: one of your favorites and. 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: One of mine as well. 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 3: So there's a handful of things to talk about when 34 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: it comes to habits. Ultimately, if you want your family 35 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 3: to be happier, if you want to be a better parent, 36 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: it's about establishing better habits. So what's your habit when 37 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: your children tick you off? 38 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Is it to sigh? Is it to roll your eyes? 39 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Is it to yell and shout and scream? Is it 40 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: to threaten them? Is it to take something off them? 41 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Or is your habit to pause, to take a beat, water, 42 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: and whatever else you need as well to pull it together? 43 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: Is your habit to lean in, to explore rather than explode, 44 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: to understand, not reprimand to get curious not furious. If 45 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: you can do those things, then you're probably well on 46 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 3: the path to a happier family and better parenting. 47 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: But how do you create the habit? 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: That's what we want to talk about over the next 49 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: couple of minutes of this podcast, and we're going to 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: keep it really brief. 51 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: When I was reading Atomic Habits last year, one of 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: the things that stood out to me was just how 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: minuscule the changes need to be. 54 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: To create change over time. 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So for me, when I look at where the 56 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: gaps are in my life, the things that I want 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: to change, I feel like I have to do a 58 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: whole revolution. I have to change everything to you know, 59 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: create the lifestyle that I want. And the reason James 60 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: calls this book Atomic Habits is because he's suggesting that 61 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: the changes that we actually need to make are like 62 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: these tiny little tweaks. 63 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: So that ties in with Darren Hardy's book The Compound Effect, 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: the idea that if you do that small, that tiny 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: little thing, that tiny little tweak consistently day in and 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: day out, that over time the results compound. 67 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: And if you look not. 68 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: Three minutes or three hours or three days down the track, 69 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: but three years or even three decades down the track, 70 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: that's where you see the change. 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: The biggest challenge for most of us, I think, is 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: that it's so hard to keep doing what we're doing 73 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: when we don't feel like we're getting the change that 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: we want. 75 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Right the instant reward. I've been to the gym three 76 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: days in a row, Why haven't I lost the twelve killers? 77 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: Really really hard? 78 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're telling me I have to wait three 79 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: years before I'm going to actually see the results that 80 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: I want. 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Delayed gratification. It's a killer. 82 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: It's hard. 83 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 84 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: So that reminds me, as you say that, of a 85 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: couple of things that I think are really worth emphasizing. 86 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: The first is something that I share when I'm talking 87 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: to high performance teams in corporations and in schools, when 88 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm talking to adults about well being sort of stuff, 89 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: and I'll highlight that dieting for a day won't change 90 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: your life, going to the gym for a day won't 91 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: change your life. Telling your wife a husband that you 92 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: love them for a day won't change your marriage. 93 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: But if you do this stuff every single day. 94 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: So I guess when I think about your marriage, our 95 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: marriage together, I was going to say your marriage to me, 96 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 3: but it's our marriage to one another. The marriage that 97 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: we have isn't what it is because one day I 98 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: got it right or one day you got it right. 99 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: It's because consistently for twenty four years, now twenty five years, 100 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: is it twenty it's twenty five years. This, No, it's 101 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: twenty four years. Hang on, I always get the year 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: mixed up. Nineteen ninety eight, it's nineteen ninety eight. Twenty 103 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: five years, twenty five years. I can't believe it. 104 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: This year. 105 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: It's a big milestone. 106 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: That's a big one. Wow. 107 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: For twenty five years, we have been consistent in doing 108 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: the small things, reaching out and touching each other when 109 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: we walk past, looking one another in the eyes, giving 110 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: each other kisses regularly. It's about making the consistent investment 111 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: in I think it was nineteen eleven, nineteen eleven. 112 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: We haven't been married that long. 113 00:04:59,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. 114 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: In nineteen eleven, Robert Falcon Scott and Roald Amerson were 115 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: essentially in a race to the South Pole, and they 116 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: had different strategies, different tactics, different ways of getting there. 117 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: Scott was the Englishman trying to do a whole lot of. 118 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: Things for science foundations and sponsors, and he had a 119 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: really tough agenda, and so he was right under the 120 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: pump and when the weather was good, they would go 121 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: on million miles an hour, do as much as they could, 122 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: and then they'd just collapse. And if the weather was bad. 123 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: Then obviously they just hunkered down. But Roald Aminson, the Norwegian, 124 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: what he would do is do twenty miles every single day, 125 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: so it's a three thousand kilometer round trip. And what 126 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: Amonson did was every day he did his thirty K's 127 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: took him one hundred days, ninety nine days in fact 128 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 3: to do it, because he got up and he just 129 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: did the work every single day. So as a as 130 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: a parent, what is the work? What's the habit? What's 131 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: the system that you can create? What's your twenty mile march? 132 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: Honestly, when you say it, it seemed it's like it's 133 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: too easy. It actually seems like it's too easy, and 134 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: therefore it's not going to work. 135 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like writing a book, though. 136 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: If I get up every day and I write a 137 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: certain number of words, within a couple of months, the 138 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 3: book is written. I've got to do all the research, 139 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: I've got to do all the planning, but just writing 140 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: those words every day and suddenly you've written a book, an. 141 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: Entire book that you've written. It's phenomenal. How that works. 142 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 3: Parenting's the same, It's just that the metrics aren't quite 143 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: as obvious, Like you can't get up and run five 144 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: k's every day and say, all right, I'm going to 145 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: be a good parent because I ran my five k's. 146 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: But that five k run, metaphorically is when the kids 147 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: are angry, I don't shout, or when I need to 148 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: talk to my children, I walk into the room and 149 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: I meet their eyes, or I mean, pick your thing. 150 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: Whatever it is that you want to change, it's about 151 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: getting it right today, but also tomorrow and also the 152 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: day after, and getting it right every single flipping day 153 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: for twenty years until they finally are adults and you've 154 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 3: gotten to write consistently. Is that ongoing investment, creating the habit. 155 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: That's how we make our families function. That's how we 156 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: become better parents. 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: I guess at the heart of all of that is 158 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: just it's it's the discipline that it takes us to 159 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: do that. Because some days it's easy, okay, well it's 160 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: really easy to show up, and other days it's not. 161 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: And on those days, a rule that I love to 162 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: remember is to not miss two days in a row. 163 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: Great, well, I was going to say, give me some strategies. 164 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: I've got a handful as well, But that's that's a 165 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: perfect one. So if I've made a commitment and I'll 166 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: just stick with the don't yell at the kid's idea 167 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: as the or don't smack the kids, or don't whatever 168 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: it is, I'm going to stop doing this thing. What 169 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: you want to do is make that the commitment and 170 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: if you blow it, just don't blow it. Two days 171 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: in a row, reinstate the commitment. The other thing that 172 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: you can do, though, is you can have a commitment device. 173 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: This is one of my favorites. So commitment device is 174 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: essentially that thing that makes things happen for me. If 175 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: I want to exercise, my commitment device is my friends. 176 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: I don't exercise otherwise, I want that social thing for 177 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: our daughters. As we mentioned on the podcast yesterday, they're 178 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: not going to run unless they've got me running alongside them, 179 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: my involvement. That's the commitment device. Now, sometimes it's people. 180 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a thing. It's a decision that you've made 181 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: that if I do this, I get that, or whatever 182 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: it might be. But absolutely essential. There's probably a couple 183 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: of other things that we could do though, to really 184 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: make these habits stick. 185 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: James clear talks about stacking habits. Oh yeah, and this 186 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: was actually really useful for me. So if there is 187 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: something that I'm already doing and it's just habitual that 188 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: I do, I don't even have to think about it. 189 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: So you're already brushing your teeth, you might as well 190 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: add flossing to the. 191 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: You add something else to it, so it has to 192 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: kind of make sense that you do it. So for me, 193 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: during winter time, I actually forget to drink right, Like, 194 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: I just stopped drinking, and I get to the end 195 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: of the day and I've got the worst headache in 196 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: the world. And so I decided to stack the habit 197 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: of walking into the kitchen. How many times do you 198 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: walk into the kitchen every day? 199 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: A lot? 200 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: Yes, if you're working from home or you live, you 201 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: know you're at home during the day. And so I 202 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: just decided that every time I walked into the kitchen, 203 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: I would take a drink of water. I didn't tell 204 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: myself that I had to drink a whole cup or whatever. 205 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: It was, just every time I came into the kitchen, 206 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: I would have water. And I went from pretty much 207 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: drinking no water during the day to doing two and 208 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: a half liters without even thinking about it. 209 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: So an easy parenting corollary is to say, every time 210 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: I walk into a room that one of my children 211 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: are in, I'm going to call out their name and 212 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 3: smile at them and tell them that I love them, 213 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: or I'm going to reach out and squeeze their elbow 214 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,239 Speaker 3: or acknowledge them in some positive and kind way. That's 215 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: the idea. That's that idea of habit stacking. The child 216 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: becomes the commitment device as well. You've got those things, 217 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: you know, at the very core of it, and we 218 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: need to wrap this up. But at the very core 219 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: of it, I think that if we want to create 220 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: better habits, better systems, it's one thing to come up 221 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: with all these techniques and strategies and to have your 222 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 3: twenty mile march and make sure you're doing that thing 223 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: day and day out consistently. But what you really want 224 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: is to have a sense of identity around. 225 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: This is the kind of person I am. 226 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: Because fit people exercise every day or most days, they 227 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: very rarely missed two in a row. They might miss 228 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: one now and then, And it's the same with parents 229 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: who are really striving to build that great relationship with 230 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: their kids. They're going to get it wrong every now 231 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: and again. 232 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: We all do. 233 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: But if we get it wrong now, we don't get 234 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: it wrong again tomorrow. We make sure we pull it 235 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: together for tomorrow, and we maintain that intention because it's 236 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: because we are that kind of person. 237 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: We really hope this has been helpful. Thanks so much 238 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: for listening. 239 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: To our Happy Families Summer series on the Happy Families Podcast. 240 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: Back again on Monday. We're going to be focusing on 241 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: how to get the most out of summer and holidays 242 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: with the kids. That's on the Happy Families Podcast.