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Speaker 1: T SPO k En. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. You're

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Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice

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Speaker 1: a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I'm joined by my

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Speaker 1: sisters and journalists Amy and Sophie. On today's show, the

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Speaker 1: disgusting headline, clickbaiting, Molly May's endemitriosis, developments in Villa Tami,

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Speaker 1: and can your teaching career survive being on Maths? But first, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: you have a story that you've been waiting to tell

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Speaker 1: me on Mike, I'm very intrigued. Well, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: funny because Amy and I were filming at the Women

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Speaker 3: Oh he does his thing lately, right, It's called sneaky Nuts.

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Speaker 3: Basically what it is is Knight gets his nuts out

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Speaker 1: This week, Molly Mayheig bravely opened up about her journey

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Speaker 1: rather than commending the twenty two year old for raising

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Speaker 1: the story into clickbait about the influencer's sex life. Now, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: before we get into the horrendous coverage, are you able

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Speaker 1: to fill us in about what Molly said on YouTube? Well,

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Speaker 1: Molly started by explaining that she's been putting off filming

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Speaker 1: March is Endometriosis Awareness Month. Now, Molly told followers about

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Speaker 1: Really surprised at the way this story has been covered.

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Speaker 1: This is a condition that takes years for doctors to recognize.

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Speaker 1: And on a local front, there has been some good

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Speaker 3: What to do?

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Speaker 1: So if I feel like you're becoming the official Barley

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Speaker 1: So to kick us off, Mitch and now on Instagram

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Speaker 1: that he arrived in Villa Tarmi and this is of

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Speaker 1: He also explained that Villa Tarmi has been taken off

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Speaker 1: Mitch shared several Instagram stories at the villa, and it's

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Speaker 1: And if you're listening, Mitch, the King of Bali, please

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're covering a lot of misleading headlines today,

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Speaker 1: The thing is I can actually see where she's coming from,

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Speaker 1: to something that they think is sugary, or people want

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Speaker 1: to take action against something that they think is unfair. Now,

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Speaker 1: as you touched on, so if, Olivia announced that she

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Speaker 1: had lost her job as a teaching assistant, and this

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Speaker 1: comes off the back of another change dot org petition

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Speaker 1: which was entitled remove Olivia Fraser from teaching. So the

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Speaker 1: news of her job loss comes after Olivia was signed

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Speaker 1: by celebrity agent Max Markson. And according to Yahoo, a

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Speaker 1: friend of Olivia's told the publication that Olivia knows she

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Speaker 1: can't go back into teaching for a while, but he's

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Speaker 1: being told she can make much more money going down

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Speaker 1: the influencer route with her new management. Would you guys

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Speaker 1: think of Olivia potentially being a successful influencer because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I can see it working for her. Well.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of reality.

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Speaker 1: TV contestants have made a successful career for themselves off

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Speaker 1: the back of being a villain on a TV show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to look at Abby Chatfield, who

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Speaker 1: has forged an incredible career for herself since she has

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Speaker 1: her own radio show. She's probably one of Australia's biggest influences.

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Speaker 1: She has a successful podcast, then you've got to look

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Speaker 1: at Jessica Pow. She was also a villain on Maths

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Speaker 1: and she's made a very lucrative career for herself on OnlyFans.

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Speaker 1: I think the key difference here, though, is that Olivia

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Speaker 1: has potentially done something that's against the law by circulating

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Speaker 1: this photograph around. She has appeared to slut shame Dominica,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that sort of behavior you can't

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Speaker 1: really return from it.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Bryce's behavior last year on Maths I think was just

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Speaker 1: as appalling as Olivia's, and we haven't really seen him

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Speaker 1: gain much success off the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's got a few thous radio show or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't think radio at all.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably made a little bit of money

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Speaker 1: through New Idea or some of those magazines selling photos

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Speaker 1: of his twins on there, but he really hasn't done

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Speaker 1: that much. I highly doubt that there are going to

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Speaker 1: be any big brands that are jumping to align themselves

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Speaker 1: with Olivia because the backlash has been so severe, and

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Speaker 1: I suppose the fear for brands is we've seen fans

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Speaker 1: of Maths start petitions to get Olivia fired from her job.

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Speaker 1: What would they do to a brand who chooses to

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Speaker 1: align themselves with her. They will go to that inbox.

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Speaker 1: They will slam that brand. So I can't see anybody

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Speaker 1: jumping on board. I would be I would be signing

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Speaker 1: on Dominica.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she will be.

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Speaker 1: Probably the biggest influencer to come from this show. It's

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Speaker 1: also quite interesting because I did read somewhere that Olivia

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Speaker 1: was supposed to have some sort of appearance that she

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Speaker 1: was going to, but that got canceled at the last minute.

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Speaker 1: I think because they were worried about her safety. Well.

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Speaker 1: The other interesting thing is Olivia went on radio and

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Speaker 1: said that she doesn't think she's going to return to

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Speaker 1: social media, So I'm a bit confused how she's going

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Speaker 1: to be making money without a social media account. What's

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Speaker 1: interesting that Max Markson is her new manager, because he

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Speaker 1: is known for taking on controversial characters, so it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: To see what he plans now.

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Speaker 1: Former teacher and Maths contestant Michael Brunelli has taken to

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Speaker 1: TikTok to reveal some juicy details about his experience with

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Speaker 1: the Education Department. Following his stint on maths and whether

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Speaker 1: he thought Olivia had any hopes of getting a teaching

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Speaker 1: job in the future.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, Olivia struggle to get a job in

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Speaker 4: teaching us she comes off Maths. In my own experience,

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Speaker 4: the Department of Education is super super strict. Before I

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Speaker 4: went on Maths, they told me no uncertain terms. If

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Speaker 4: I do anything wrong, anything disrespectful, I'll be bringing the

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Speaker 4: department into disrepute and I would struggle to keep my job. Thankfully,

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Speaker 4: I was fine, but when I came off the show,

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Speaker 4: there was one thing that got me in trouble, and

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Speaker 4: it was this photo that Martha posted in the bath.

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Speaker 4: It has half of my butt check in it. Basically,

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Speaker 4: the Department of Education told my boss's boss and then

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Speaker 4: my boss, and then I had to have a meeting

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Speaker 4: with my principal, and in that meeting, I got a

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Speaker 4: warning and had to write an email apologizing for the

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Speaker 4: photo that Martha posted that I didn't even post, and

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Speaker 4: that it wouldn't happen again. And so for that is

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Speaker 4: what ticks them off. I don't know how Olivia's going

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Speaker 4: to get a job maybe, just maybe she could apologize

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Speaker 4: and this would all blow over.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm not surprised Michael got in trouble

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Speaker 1: for the bum cheek Instagram pos because the Education Department.

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Speaker 2: Has to be so careful.

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Speaker 1: It actually reminds me of all the publicity that was

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Speaker 1: around UK Love Island contestant Hugo Hammond, who was also

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Speaker 1: a teacher, and there was a lot of discussion that

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Speaker 1: he would never be able to get a job following

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Speaker 1: his appearance and also his sex confession on Love Island.

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Speaker 1: And I mean at the moment he hasn't actually returned

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Speaker 1: as a teacher, but he's now become a disability advocate

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Speaker 1: and he's working with some really important causes. So because

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Speaker 1: he actually had quite a good image on the show

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Speaker 1: coming out of it, I think potentially he would be

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Speaker 1: allowed to work as a teacher again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe in ten years.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, everybody forgets about contestants who were on

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Speaker 1: reality TV.

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Speaker 2: Oh I can't even remember from two years ago who

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Speaker 2: was on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do think though, it is a good warning for

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Speaker 1: want to be reality TV contestants that are thinking about

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Speaker 1: going on a show like Maths because it is clear

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Speaker 1: that your actions on these reality shows do have consequences

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Speaker 1: after the show ends. That being said, I'm super confused

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Speaker 1: because I feel like most people go on a reality

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Speaker 1: show so they don't have to go back to their

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Speaker 1: everyday job. So I would have been really interested to

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Speaker 1: hear candidly from Olivia what she actually had planned.

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Speaker 2: To do after the show.

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Speaker 1: I actually think that Olivia may have gone on the

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Speaker 1: show to genuinely meet somebody, because if you think back

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Speaker 1: to episode one, she spoke about how she was her

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Speaker 1: father's care.

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Speaker 2: For years and how she was never able to go

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Speaker 2: out and meet anybody.

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Speaker 1: There has been a lot of talk, however, that Olivia

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Speaker 1: has been engaged twice before.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether this is true or not, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I do actually think that someone like her went on

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Speaker 1: the show to find love, which is rare on the

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Speaker 1: show because most people just go on for a social

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Speaker 1: media following. I can kind of sense the conversation is

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Speaker 1: changing a little bit when it comes to it Alibya,

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Speaker 1: because there are a number of large publications that have

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Speaker 1: been condemning the terrible trolling she's been receiving and also

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Speaker 1: trying to humanize her. A little bit more, which is

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Speaker 1: really important. And I think the fact that she can

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Speaker 1: now come out and speak on radio and give her

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Speaker 1: side of things it definitely does help. So it will

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Speaker 1: be really interesting to see if the public does give

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Speaker 1: her some sort of redemption as the conversation does start

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Speaker 1: to change a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I highly doubt it, but we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.

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