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Speaker 1: We know they're Alice Springs business owners, and you know

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Speaker 1: In the CBD in the afternoon, we also saw huge

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Speaker 1: is the mayor of Alice Springs, Matt Patterson.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Matt, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 1: How are the people of Alice Springs feeling this morning.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're scared, they're frightened, they're on edge. I think

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Speaker 3: they've got every right to be. Those things they're set up.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. You know me pretty well, Okatie.

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Speaker 3: I talk a lot, but I'm lost for words. I've

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Speaker 3: here before, it was a Todd tavern, which is three

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Speaker 3: it was happened at three o'clock in the afternoon. This

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Speaker 3: isn't alcohol, This isn't you know, This isn't people who

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Speaker 2: It was a dry day yesterday, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's a day where you're not actually able to even

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean there's a few You can read

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Speaker 1: I heard him. I heard it this morning. I actually

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, you know it's a national embarrassment. What's happening.

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Speaker 3: We're we're all too scared to talk about it. And

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Speaker 3: it's easy. If we ignore it, then it hasn't happened it.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I say we need help, I'm not

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Speaker 3: A good sign of leadership is to acknowledge things and

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Speaker 3: And if the MTG can't keep the safe, they need

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Speaker 1: Night, Matt, can you paint a picture for our listeners

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to connect this in particular, but

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Speaker 1: Matt tell us, I mean this morning and well even

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Speaker 1: Look, we spoke to just Enterprise just a short time ago.

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Speaker 3: I've had no conversations with the federal government this morning.

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Speaker 3: It was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: So, Matt, we need additional resources. I eat the police,

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean this is the moronic decision making that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've asked myself that question over the last twelve

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Speaker 2: It was like it was beyond horrible to watch.

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Speaker 1: It was actually really sad, and I felt a level

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I don't really know how I feel either.

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Speaker 3: To be quite frank with your Katie, I really don't

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Speaker 3: But I'll say something to your listeners jump online and

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Speaker 3: picture that footage happening when you're picking up your kids

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Speaker 3: So just imagine that I imagine that happening in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, Mate, we are thinking of you today. I

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Speaker 1: this morning. We're thinking of you. I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister on the show in just a moment's time,

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Speaker 1: and we'll certainly do my best to relay your concerns

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Speaker 1: to her. I know that you're going to be speaking

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Speaker 1: to her, but we'll keep in contact with you.

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Speaker 2: Please stay safe.

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Speaker 1: To the people of Ellice Springs listening this morning, please

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Speaker 1: stay safe.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, keep fighting the good fight. We appreciate obviously

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Speaker 3: getting some coverage up in Darwin, but look, I think

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Speaker 3: that tremendously sad what's happening, and hopefully you know this

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Speaker 2: It has to be, It absolutely has to be.

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Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, thank you. As always, we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: very soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you,