WEBVTT - Getting nailed 🔩 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.240 Hello, it's me Artsimone. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.480 I had this grand idea to speak with the most regular, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:18.960 very normal, and painfully ordinary people. Boring that's what they 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.680 seem like from first glance or first listen. But really 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.040 they are concealing something from us. It might be a 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.800 naughty secret, the most bizarre profession you've ever heard of, 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.319 or a hobby that will make you go, how the 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.160 bloody hell did they get into that? And it gets 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.600 even better because I have no idea who these people 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.199 are or what they're keeping concealed. I've got to do 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.200 a bit of detective work to figure it out for us. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.880 Welcome to Concealed with Art Simone. Oh that's the guest, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:46.400 get that type rolling. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.639 Hey, I'm Anthony. I am from the Gold Coast and 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.000 I used to be a carpenter, so outside of my work, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.360 I am a very keen surfer. Keen not necessarily good, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:04.040 but I am keening and also proud father to two wonderful, 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.560 wonderful little girls. But there is a secret that I 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.080 don't think Art Simone's going to get about me because 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.200 it's not the kind of thing that you would hear 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:14.760 in everyday conversation. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.280 How are you going, Anthony, very good. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:21.720 How are you. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.280 I'm doing very well. That would love you to meet you. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.440 Where are you streaming in from today? 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.119 I am on the sunny Gold Coast. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:29.600 Oh, I'm so jealous. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.120 I love the Gold Coast only because it's just so 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.440 disgustingly tacky and so am I. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:35.840 I love every single bit of it. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.760 Get me down Cavil Avenue with all the drunk bitches 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.200 hanging out in front of the McDonald's, or you know, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.160 just Oh, I love it. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.200 I love it. I've got a star casino, spend lots 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:45.679 of money. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.960 That's pretty humid. Now that's gonna play havoc with your hair. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.640 Well, the good news for you is my hair is plastic, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.360 so it'll survive. I'm going to describe you are very 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.280 clean cut, good looking guy. You're in a nice at 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.840 the moment. You're well kept, but slightly generic. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.040 Maybe I've done this on purpose. Maybe I'm trying to 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.160 throw you off the same. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.280 Well, I'm just I'm just trying to say there's nothing 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.880 like strange or like interesting to describe about you. You're 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.280 just like a nice looking person. Let me throw the 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.360 ball back in your court. There's a lot more to 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.600 describe on your screen. What you're looking at, isn't this? 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.040 There's glits and glamour and shiny stuff and hair and makeup. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.040 Everywhere exactly, so please, I'm not being rude. I'm just 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.560 calling it as I sees it, all right, all right, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:38.280 So yeah, surfing. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.320 You'd like to say, so you'd like to keep fit? 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:41.680 Is that your like exercise? 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.440 Yeah? That is my main form of back side be 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.840 a very active person, like to be like to be 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.200 out and about, like to be doing stuff. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.240 I'm running busy bee down all right, busy bee. Okay, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.799 all right, you've got two kids. That's lovely. And you 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.640 used to be a carpenter, so you're good with wood. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.280 I I am good with the wood. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.760 I'm just I'm just checking, okay. And how long did 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.000 you carpenter for the carp and teer? 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:07.520 What's the word? 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.560 How long did I mess around with wood for? Is 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.280 the question? Yes? Ask So I started my own business 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.760 when I was twenty one back in the UK. So 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.560 had the business for about six or seven years, and 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.560 then then that I went belly up. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.959 Oh okay, so it didn't go well, Okay, failed business. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.079 Writing that down as well. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:31.239 Okay, I'm going to ask you three questions, and from 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.880 the answers to those three questions, I have to try 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.040 and work out what it is you're concealing from me. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.440 So question number one, do you speak any other languages? 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.960 So? I kind of do so. When I was at school, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.080 I learned German, so I speak a very small amount 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.040 of German. If you know any German, don't start speaking 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.480 to me in German because I won't be able to 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.520 interpret what you say. There is another language that I understand. However, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.840 if I tell you, it might give a little bit 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.320 too much away, so I'm still going to keep it 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:00.960 a secret. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.760 I reckon you can talk Simlish. I reckon, that's what 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.520 it is. That's what you're hiding from me. Simlish. Yeah, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.520 it's what they speak on the sims the video game. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.160 I reckon. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.920 You're like, oh what Similish, no idea, But secretly you're 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:17.320 like habadu badabad sababat okay. Question number two are you 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:18.880 skeptical about anything? 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.200 Yes, I am skeptical about some things, one of them 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:28.839 specifically being I'm quite skeptical of I suppose the psychic realm. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.000 But I like to say I'm curiously skeptical, So I'm 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.360 not a hard skeptic, whereas I'm curiously skeptical, so I'd 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.560 say no way, but show me some proof and I 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.000 might go along with it. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.120 Your psychic world, okay, well, I've met a lot of 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.640 psychos in my life so and I've had no problem. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.839 With them, So slightly different world. But the. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.599 Third question I have for you is what would your 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:52.479 superpower be? 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.680 Am I only allowed one? Or can I have two? Yeah? 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:56.920 You can have two, that's all right. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.600 Yeah. One of them would be to be able to 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.440 read people's minds, and then the other one would be 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.440 I reckon, be really cool if you could stop time? 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.360 Stop it? Do you want the day to be any longer? 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:07.320 Can you please? 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.840 You're just going to look older quicker than other people. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.040 We don't want that, all right. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.360 Let's can I let me put a tweak on my superpart. Yes, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.840 I can freeze time and freeze aging without the use 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:19.680 of any botox. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:20.480 That's agreed. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.000 All right, that's fun then, Okay, as long as I'm 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.520 happy to get wiser, just not older visually. Okay, I 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.640 think I've hit my peak and it's all downhill from now. Okay, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:37.880 let's recap failed business. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:44.480 Let's recap nothing interesting about this guy visually wonderful picture 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:45.479 of him on this podcast. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.839 Actually this is the joy of the podcast. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.120 Okay, you just you know, you never know what's going 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:51.760 to come out of my mouth. So no see from 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.920 the Gold Coast former carpenter went tits up. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.279 Two kids like to serve. So you're active, good for you, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:59.720 busybody like that. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.480 You can almost speak a bit of German, but then 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.120 you can also understand another language that you can't tell 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.160 me simlish clearly. Okay, you're skeptical of the psychic realm, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.320 yet you want to read people's minds. I'm just you 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.720 are just really challenging me today, aren't you, Anthony. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:19.880 Okay, so. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.600 I'm going to say that you have actually you've put 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.320 up a few of these things to like throw me 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.760 off the sand. But I reckon you are the inventor 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.320 of the SIMS. I reckon you like work in computer computers. 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.560 That's why, like your setup's really nice today, and you 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.359 you're like actually a secret computer nerd and you invented 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.680 the SIMS and simlish, am I right? 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.360 No? And I'm a friend. You put me down, and 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.480 you've now even referred to me as a. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.640 Nerd computer nerd it's a difference. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:56.840 But you're wrong. I'm a mentalist, which means that I 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.000 read people's minds for a living. So I've been a 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.080 mentalist for or just over twenty years. Got into it 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.679 through doing magic and got more interested in the human 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.520 mind and the way that it works. A mentalist indeed, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:09.600 a mentalist? 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:16.080 What the facts are? Mentalist? Ah? 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.080 So Anthony is not the inventor of simlish. No, he 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.080 is a mentalist, and I have no idea what the 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.040 hell that is. It just sounds like something my mum 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.600 would call me, Mom. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:37.840 Are you listening? All right? We have just met Anthony 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.560 and I found out he is a mentalist. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.040 Anthony, what the fuck is a mentalist? Please tell me? 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:45.920 I want to know. I want to know. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:47.640 I describe it as I lie for a living, and 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.880 I lie by pretending to be psychic. Can'ce the reason 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.280 why I'm skeptical about the psychic industry because I give 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.040 the illusion of being able to possess psychic powers when 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.480 I know that there's a method behind what I'm doing. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.840 The way that I like to say is you've got 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.400 magic and hypnosis, and mentalism sort of lives in the 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.680 middle of those two things. So no one goes to sleep, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.160 and well, at least I hope no one goes to 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.760 sleep in my show. So it's not a hypnosis show, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.560 but it's not so much a sleight of hand show. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.520 It's more of using the people as the props. And 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.720 this is the reason why I say that I'm not psychickers, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.480 because there is a method to everything that I do. Yes, 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.600 it's just the fun that is trying to work out 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.720 what that method is. Is it misdirection, is it some 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.760 sort of linguistic thing that I've said, Is it that 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.040 I'm reading the other person. There's all these different things 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.480 going on, and I think that's what makes it so 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.360 interesting for an audience because they don't ever quite know. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.680 So what do you exactly do? 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.520 So if I'm at a conference and Anthony you come 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.040 out and go, hello, I'm your mentalist today, what happens? 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:43.680 It depends on what I'm doing, So it'd either be 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.200 doing a show or a keynote. So if I'm doing 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.280 a show, I would come out and then perform demonstrations 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.160 of apparently reading people's minds, well while the entire time 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.640 saying I'm not actually reading your mind. If I'm doing 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.880 a keynote, then what I would do is I'll come 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.920 out and I will use my demonstrations of mentalism to 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.880 share one of my other skills, which was the other 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.360 language that I understand, which is body language. Ah. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:09.200 I see, yeah, it almost sounds like a sideshow thing. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.320 Yees. So it's pretty much an act that was very 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.600 popular back in the vaudeville days, where you would have 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.360 the mentalist stand on stage and apparently read the minds 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.240 of everybody in the audience. So it's been around for years. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.959 I think it's made quite popular by the TV show 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.040 The Mentalist with Simon Baker, where he used mentalism powers 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.720 to go around and solve crimes. I don't solve many crimes. 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.520 I just stand on stage and be entertainings. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.040 Yeah, so it's er a performer essentially. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.320 I am former, not a computer nerd. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.000 So why do you like to go like to essentially 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.800 be honest and say I'm a mentalist and I'm actually 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:48.720 not reading your mind? 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.199 Like why do you do that? Instead of being. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.520 Like, ooh, I'm a psychic and look at me, go like, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.920 why did you choose that instead of the other. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.000 For exactly the reason as to the way that you 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.960 you've just described it. Of waving your arms and going, oh, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.640 look at me, now, that's not me as as a performer, 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.600 as you've already pointed out, I'm very I'm very plain. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.880 There is nothing special about me. Wow. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.280 You're really holding on to it now, aren't. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.160 You, Anthony, I've been emotionally scarred. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.160 Oh my goodness, they've got a bruised ego here everyone, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.360 I'm bruis ego. Nah, you're fine. So you like that 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.280 style of it. How did you get into it then? Like, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.960 were you a performer before any of this? No, because 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.360 it's like a big jump to go from being a 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.840 former carpenter to now standing on a stage in front 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:33.160 of people. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.480 I suppose in a way you could look at it 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.280 as I've gone from doing carpentry to performing miracles. It's 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.120 quite biblical in some sort of senses. But I'm not 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:41.840 a natural performer. If you had asked me when I 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.760 was eighteen, if I had stood up on stage in 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.160 front of a group of people, you would have got 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.800 a very quick answer. If not really nervous, really nervous, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.719 socially awkward. When I was younger, it's one of the 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.880 reasons why I got into magic. Having magic was a 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.040 way to cheap, being interesting if you were down the 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.160 pub because it run and have a conversation. It can 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.559 we are to cook card any card. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:10:59.680 No, I totally get it. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.480 It means yeah, you can be like, hey, don't look 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.160 at me, look at the magic trick. I'm doing it 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.040 for the same reason I'm covered in glittering makeup and 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.560 here because it's fun, and it can be like. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.880 Don't look at me, look at this. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.040 So how did you go from doing magic at the 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.199 pub to making it your full time job? 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.760 So when I had the carpentry business back in the UK, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.960 one of my clients used to run a cabaret night 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.280 once a month and he heard that I did a 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.920 bit of magic and asked if I'd go along and 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.880 do a few tricks at his cabaret night. Now, this 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.560 was the first time that I'd ever been asked to 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.520 do it in what I would call it professional setting, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.200 actually being asked to do magic at an event rather 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:35.760 than doing it at a pub because I'm trying to 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.439 impress somebody. And I was that nervous in the lead 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.040 up to the first gig that I had night sweats 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.920 for about a week and the lead up to the event, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.120 you could run your hands down my body and you 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.400 would got sweat come flying off it. Terrible. It was, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.319 It was terrible. I was really nervous, like that whole 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.440 horrible brain that starts to kick in inside your mind 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.000 that tells you that you don't know what you're doing, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.200 that fight out. This was a thing. On the night 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.679 of the event, I arrived early, and I've been used 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.520 to having a couple of couple of drinks to give 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.719 me a bit of Dutch courage before getting out. I 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.040 drank two bottles of white wine before I got up 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.239 to do the first trip. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:09.960 Ever. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.200 Mother, I'm going to be making this third bottle of 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:15.240 wine disappear. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:17.120 That's what I'd do. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.200 Yeah, but I got pulled back for the next about 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.080 year and a half, so I couldn't have done too 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.520 bad a job in that first one. And then that 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.160 one thing led to another. Obviously, It's like anything in 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.800 this entertainment. Well, do you have to do those really 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:30.480 shit gigs? 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:31.840 Tell me about it. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.040 I've had my fair share of shit gigs where absolutely 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.720 everything goes wrong. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.160 But do you ever get it wrong? What's the worst 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:39.679 thing that's happened? 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.439 I don't know. Okay, this was the worst gig that 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.000 I ever been booked for. So this was back in 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.480 the back in the early days of my performing careers. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.880 This was I wasn't that comfortable on stage At this 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.360 point in tom I used to do a lot of roving, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.040 and an agent had booked me for a wedding in Sydney, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.760 and I did do my due diligence and ask enough questions. Now, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.480 mentalism involves a lot of spoken word. There's a lot 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.880 of you having to understand what it is that I'm saying. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.559 I was booked for a Vietnamese wedding for four hundred people, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:16.720 and only about fifty of them spoke fluent English. It 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.480 was the longest half an hour of my. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.920 That would have seemed like eternity. You'd be like, oh, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.200 do I get out of here. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.199 The other story which I have, there's a picture behind 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.640 me of a routine which I do. It's it's kind 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.320 of the thing that I've been known for, which is 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.920 playing Russian Roulette with nail guns. So four nail guns, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.280 one of them gets loaded, I read the person's mind, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.480 and then three of the nail guns are fired at me. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:40.040 What the fuck? 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.080 What's this got to do with reading minds? Why are 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:48.280 you playing with guns? Now? What is this nail guns on? 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.800 You should know theeter. That's what it's all about. It's 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:51.800 my moment. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.520 I'm trying to just bridge the How do you go 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.560 from reading someone's mind to them being like, actually, I 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.400 could get four nail guns and like almost like stabbed 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.760 myself with one, Like what hell ha. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.800 So this piece, this Russi Roulette piece, came about because 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.280 I was doing a TV piece and I needed something 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.840 big and good and something that would be memorable. So 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.319 I've always liked the idea of Russian Roulette type of effect. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:21.520 Me being a carpenter in my former life obviously lends 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.920 itself to nail guns. The whole thing kind of worked out. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.280 See that's clever though, because if you had started this 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.960 interview with a nail gun next to you, I would 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.120 have thought you were very remarkable, just saying so, I 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.360 can understand why you wouldn't want to use it for 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.000 like a big TV gig, etc. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.800 So you know you should have brought the nail gun. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.240 Maybe I would have had a different opinion. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.640 Well, okay, I'm sorry for not bringing her ol guns. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.520 So these nail guns, they're all fired into me. Some 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.920 of the three of them are empty. One of them 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.400 is loaded. I had one of them fired into me. Now, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.360 these nail guns have gone a little pin that pushes 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.480 the nails. When the nail comes out, it's got a pin. Now, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.880 even the empty ones have still got the pin inside them. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.200 So the person fired the gun into my stomach, but 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.640 the gun had been bent, so the firing pin pierced 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.360 my skin and I started bleeding. On stage. Everyone thought 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.920 I'd been shot. I was no, I haven't been shot. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:08.760 I haven't been shot. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.760 It wasn't the one with the nail. I haven't flicked 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.960 up yet. Don't worry. So have you stopped using a 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:14.800 nail gun or no? 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.040 I still use a nail gun. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.400 How do you even come up with the idea to 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.920 use a nail gun? Like, how do these tricks start? 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.000 Do you just sit down and try to work out 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.600 some tricks and test out to see if they'll work. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.040 In a way. Yes, So I would just I would 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.760 sort of think in my head what would make a 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.880 really good show piece. I would take a collection of 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.320 all the techniques that I know in order to achieve 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:38.440 a certain outcome. Now, there are some mentalism effects out 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.400 there that the other mentalists have shared, so they could 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.120 be their routines. But then then I'll put my spin 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:48.280 on it. I'll put my personality that average nothing extraordinary personality. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:49.320 I'll then put into the trick. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:54.400 Oh really, never upset a mentalist. This is this is 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.440 probably a mentalist game. Now, this is the game now 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.840 trying to wear me down, make me feel guilty. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.680 An't you you would drop it? Now I will drop it. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.400 I'm still confused how this works. So you don't read 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.520 people's minds, but you kind of do. Are you just 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.440 manipulating people? Then it is a mixture of different things. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.640 There will be some things where I'm using linguistic deception 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.280 to make you say certain things. Other times I might 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.720 be using hypnotic suggestion, so the words hypnotist produced but 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.800 without putting you to sleep. Yeah. Other times it's down 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.800 to statistics. It's a blend of all those different techniques 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:33.040 woven together and understanding how humans behave that then allows 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.040 me to create that illusion that I might be in 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.080 control of your thoughts or being able to pluck thoughts 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:41.840 out of your mind, which is the reason why I 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.640 find it's so interesting because makes me quite irritating. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:52.040 To be honest, what is the magic and mentalism community? Like, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.640 are they all right or are they all like a 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.160 bunch of like protective people that are like, no, don't 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.520 talk to me, you might steal my trick. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.760 It is a strange world. It is a strange world. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.880 I do think that a lot of people who get 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.719 into magic were probably similar to me in that they 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.800 might have been slightly socially nervous, socially awkward. So I 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.200 think there's a lot of that in the magic world. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.280 You've also got to remember it's a world of secrets. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.960 We try to hide everything. So as you get into 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.080 the magic world and you start to build a reputation, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.240 that's when you will start to have that really supportive 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.480 community that are helping each other. But at the initial 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.840 stages there is this Yep, you're welcome into the community, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.640 but don't expect to find out lots of secrets straight away. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.120 You've got to show us that you're worthy of having 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.240 the secrets. It is a really strange world. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.320 No, I mean that sounds like the drag community too. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.560 It's like you start as a drag queen, you go, oh, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.840 how do I do my makeup? And everyone's like, you'll 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.160 work it out. Yourself, go on, get out of here, love, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.880 because that's a very secretive thing. You know, we all 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.920 have special application techniques. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.919 So is there a lot of rivalry in your world? 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:54.200 Dalling. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.000 Of course there is in terms of like being accused 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.399 of stealing other people's ideas and pagiarism and all this 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:01.920 kind of thing. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.000 Oh, there's a scandal at the moment because someone's stolen 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.080 my specific mix of a show that I do and 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.480 they're performing it at the moment, and I am very 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.800 upset about it. They're going around doing my custom Kylie 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.800 Minogue Medali and it's mine because I paid for it 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.800 and I organized it. So yes, there's lots of stealing 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:21.440