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Speaker 1: Hello, it's me Artsimone.

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Speaker 2: I had this grand idea to speak with the most regular,

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Speaker 2: very normal, and painfully ordinary people. Boring that's what they

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Speaker 2: seem like from first glance or first listen. But really

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Speaker 2: they are concealing something from us. It might be a

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Speaker 2: naughty secret, the most bizarre profession you've ever heard of,

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Speaker 2: or a hobby that will make you go, how the

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Speaker 2: bloody hell did they get into that? And it gets

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Speaker 2: even better because I have no idea who these people

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Speaker 2: are or what they're keeping concealed. I've got to do

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Speaker 2: a bit of detective work to figure it out for us.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Concealed with Art Simone. Oh that's the guest,

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Speaker 2: get that type rolling.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Anthony. I am from the Gold Coast and

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Speaker 3: I used to be a carpenter, so outside of my work,

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Speaker 3: I am a very keen surfer. Keen not necessarily good,

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Speaker 3: but I am keening and also proud father to two wonderful,

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Speaker 3: wonderful little girls. But there is a secret that I

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Speaker 3: don't think Art Simone's going to get about me because

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Speaker 3: it's not the kind of thing that you would hear

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Speaker 3: in everyday conversation.

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Speaker 1: How are you going, Anthony, very good.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. That would love you to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Where are you streaming in from today?

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Speaker 3: I am on the sunny Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so jealous.

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Speaker 2: I love the Gold Coast only because it's just so

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Speaker 2: disgustingly tacky and so am I.

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Speaker 1: I love every single bit of it.

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Speaker 2: Get me down Cavil Avenue with all the drunk bitches

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Speaker 2: hanging out in front of the McDonald's, or you know,

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Speaker 2: just Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I've got a star casino, spend lots

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Speaker 1: of money.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty humid. Now that's gonna play havoc with your hair.

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Speaker 2: Well, the good news for you is my hair is plastic,

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Speaker 2: so it'll survive. I'm going to describe you are very

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Speaker 2: clean cut, good looking guy. You're in a nice at

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Speaker 2: the moment. You're well kept, but slightly generic.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I've done this on purpose. Maybe I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: throw you off the same.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just I'm just trying to say there's nothing

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Speaker 2: like strange or like interesting to describe about you. You're

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Speaker 2: just like a nice looking person. Let me throw the

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Speaker 2: ball back in your court. There's a lot more to

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Speaker 2: describe on your screen. What you're looking at, isn't this?

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Speaker 3: There's glits and glamour and shiny stuff and hair and makeup.

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Speaker 2: Everywhere exactly, so please, I'm not being rude. I'm just

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Speaker 2: calling it as I sees it, all right, all right,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, surfing.

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Speaker 1: You'd like to say, so you'd like to keep fit?

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Speaker 1: Is that your like exercise?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That is my main form of back side be

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Speaker 3: a very active person, like to be like to be

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Speaker 2: I'm running busy bee down all right, busy bee. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, you've got two kids. That's lovely. And you

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Speaker 2: used to be a carpenter, so you're good with wood.

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Speaker 3: I I am good with the wood.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just checking, okay. And how long did

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Speaker 2: you carpenter for the carp and teer?

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Speaker 1: What's the word?

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Speaker 3: How long did I mess around with wood for? Is

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Speaker 3: the question? Yes? Ask So I started my own business

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Speaker 3: when I was twenty one back in the UK. So

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Speaker 3: then then that I went belly up.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it didn't go well, Okay, failed business.

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Speaker 1: Writing that down as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to ask you three questions, and from

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Speaker 2: the answers to those three questions, I have to try

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Speaker 2: and work out what it is you're concealing from me.

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Speaker 2: So question number one, do you speak any other languages?

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Speaker 3: So? I kind of do so. When I was at school,

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Speaker 3: of German. If you know any German, don't start speaking

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Speaker 3: interpret what you say. There is another language that I understand. However,

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Speaker 2: I reckon you can talk Simlish. I reckon, that's what

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Speaker 2: it is. That's what you're hiding from me. Simlish. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's what they speak on the sims the video game.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh what Similish, no idea, But secretly you're

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Speaker 2: like habadu badabad sababat okay. Question number two are you

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am skeptical about some things, one of them

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Speaker 3: But I like to say I'm curiously skeptical, So I'm

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Speaker 2: Your psychic world, okay, well, I've met a lot of

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Speaker 3: With them, So slightly different world. But the.

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Speaker 1: Third question I have for you is what would your

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Speaker 3: Am I only allowed one? Or can I have two? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You can have two, that's all right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. One of them would be to be able to

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Speaker 3: I reckon, be really cool if you could stop time?

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Speaker 1: Stop it? Do you want the day to be any longer?

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Speaker 1: Can you please?

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Speaker 2: You're just going to look older quicker than other people.

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Speaker 2: We don't want that, all right.

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Speaker 3: Let's can I let me put a tweak on my superpart. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I can freeze time and freeze aging without the use

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Speaker 1: That's agreed.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's fun then, Okay, as long as I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to get wiser, just not older visually. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: think I've hit my peak and it's all downhill from now. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's recap failed business.

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Speaker 3: Let's recap nothing interesting about this guy visually wonderful picture

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Speaker 1: Actually this is the joy of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just you know, you never know what's going

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Speaker 2: the Gold Coast former carpenter went tits up.

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Speaker 1: Two kids like to serve. So you're active, good for you,

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Speaker 2: You can almost speak a bit of German, but then

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Speaker 2: me simlish clearly. Okay, you're skeptical of the psychic realm,

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Speaker 2: yet you want to read people's minds. I'm just you

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Speaker 2: are just really challenging me today, aren't you, Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say that you have actually you've put

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Speaker 2: you're like actually a secret computer nerd and you invented

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Speaker 3: No? And I'm a friend. You put me down, and

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Speaker 1: Nerd computer nerd it's a difference.

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Speaker 3: But you're wrong. I'm a mentalist, which means that I

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Speaker 3: read people's minds for a living. So I've been a

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Speaker 3: mentalist for or just over twenty years. Got into it

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Speaker 1: What the facts are? Mentalist? Ah?

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Speaker 2: So Anthony is not the inventor of simlish. No, he

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Speaker 2: hell that is. It just sounds like something my mum

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Speaker 1: Are you listening? All right? We have just met Anthony

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Speaker 1: and I found out he is a mentalist.

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Speaker 2: Anthony, what the fuck is a mentalist? Please tell me?

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Speaker 2: I want to know. I want to know.

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Speaker 3: I describe it as I lie for a living, and

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Speaker 3: I lie by pretending to be psychic. Can'ce the reason

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Speaker 3: why I'm skeptical about the psychic industry because I give

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Speaker 3: I know that there's a method behind what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: The way that I like to say is you've got

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Speaker 3: but it's not so much a sleight of hand show.

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Speaker 3: because there is a method to everything that I do. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's just the fun that is trying to work out

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Speaker 1: So what do you exactly do?

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Speaker 2: So if I'm at a conference and Anthony you come

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Speaker 3: It depends on what I'm doing, So it'd either be

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Speaker 3: language that I understand, which is body language. Ah.

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Speaker 1: I see, yeah, it almost sounds like a sideshow thing.

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Speaker 3: Yees. So it's pretty much an act that was very

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Speaker 3: I think it's made quite popular by the TV show

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Speaker 3: to go around and solve crimes. I don't solve many crimes.

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Speaker 3: I just stand on stage and be entertainings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's er a performer essentially.

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Speaker 3: I am former, not a computer nerd.

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Speaker 2: So why do you like to go like to essentially

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Speaker 2: not reading your mind?

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Speaker 1: Like why do you do that? Instead of being.

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Speaker 2: Like, ooh, I'm a psychic and look at me, go like,

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Speaker 2: why did you choose that instead of the other.

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Speaker 3: For exactly the reason as to the way that you

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Speaker 3: you've just described it. Of waving your arms and going, oh,

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Speaker 3: look at me, now, that's not me as as a performer,

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Speaker 3: as you've already pointed out, I'm very I'm very plain.

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Speaker 3: There is nothing special about me. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You're really holding on to it now, aren't.

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Speaker 3: You, Anthony, I've been emotionally scarred.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, they've got a bruised ego here everyone,

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Speaker 2: I'm bruis ego. Nah, you're fine. So you like that

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Speaker 2: were you a performer before any of this? No, because

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Speaker 2: it's like a big jump to go from being a

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 2: I've had my fair share of shit gigs where absolutely

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Speaker 3: The other story which I have, there's a picture behind

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Speaker 1: What's this got to do with reading minds? Why are

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Speaker 3: You should know theeter. That's what it's all about. It's

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to just bridge the How do you go

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Speaker 3: So this piece, this Russi Roulette piece, came about because

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Speaker 2: See that's clever though, because if you had started this

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Speaker 1: So you know you should have brought the nail gun.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'm sorry for not bringing her ol guns.

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Speaker 3: So these nail guns, they're all fired into me. Some

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Speaker 3: So the person fired the gun into my stomach, but

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the one with the nail. I haven't flicked

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Speaker 3: I still use a nail gun.

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Speaker 1: How do you even come up with the idea to

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Speaker 2: Do you just sit down and try to work out

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Speaker 3: In a way. Yes, So I would just I would

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Speaker 3: there that the other mentalists have shared, so they could

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Speaker 3: I'll then put into the trick.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, never upset a mentalist. This is this is

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Speaker 2: probably a mentalist game. Now, this is the game now

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Speaker 3: An't you you would drop it? Now I will drop it.

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Speaker 2: I'm still confused how this works. So you don't read

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Speaker 3: There will be some things where I'm using linguistic deception

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Speaker 1: To be honest, what is the magic and mentalism community? Like,

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Speaker 3: It is a strange world. It is a strange world.

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Speaker 3: I do think that a lot of people who get

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Speaker 3: You've also got to remember it's a world of secrets.

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Speaker 3: You've got to show us that you're worthy of having

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Speaker 2: No, I mean that sounds like the drag community too.

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Speaker 2: It's like you start as a drag queen, you go, oh,

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Speaker 2: how do I do my makeup? And everyone's like, you'll

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Speaker 2: work it out. Yourself, go on, get out of here, love,

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Speaker 2: because that's a very secretive thing. You know, we all

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Speaker 3: So is there a lot of rivalry in your world?

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Speaker 1: Dalling.

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Speaker 3: Of course there is in terms of like being accused

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's a scandal at the moment because someone's stolen

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Speaker 2: upset about it. They're going around doing my custom Kylie

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Speaker 3: Ah, So what can you do if somebody is stealing

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Speaker 3: and makeup on and chase them with pitchfork? So what happens?

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Speaker 3: Or did they get outsted on the internet? What happens?

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Speaker 1: No, you just get over it.

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Speaker 2: You just get over it because you know what, you

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Speaker 2: can take my mix, but you can't take my personality.

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Speaker 2: So it's fine, you can have it, Love, I needed

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Speaker 2: a new one anyway.

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Speaker 3: That's what sets you apart. From it from everybody else

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Speaker 3: they do it like you?

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Speaker 1: I think it's time that you did one on me.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do? You want to do? You

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Speaker 1: want to be mental on me? Be mental on me?

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Speaker 3: All right? I have got here four bags. I put

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Speaker 1: Not a fucking nail again, lead have it?

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Speaker 3: You learn aad the dear and a nail.

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Speaker 2: So you've got four paper bags. Each of them are

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Speaker 2: them have blocks of wood in them, but one has

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Speaker 1: I like where this is going.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm going to do is I'm going to

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Speaker 3: take them. I'm going to mix them around a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And one I promise you is I'm not doing any

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Speaker 1: So I'm paying so much attention.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, be honest. You don't actually know where about

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Speaker 1: But I think it's number three.

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Speaker 3: You think it's number three. Yeah, Well, this is either

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Speaker 3: very quickly, or it's gonna be a moment of amazement

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Speaker 3: for you. This is what's gonna happen. Art. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: say any one of these numbers. The number that you say,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna slam my hand as hard as I can

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Speaker 3: onto the bag. So my hand is literally down to.

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Speaker 2: Your choices, all right, Jesus if it goes wrong, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I will feel a bit of a prick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an applaud to that one. I like that one.

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Speaker 3: That was good. So choose one of the bags one, two, three,

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Speaker 3: or four. We're gonna slam my hand on whichever one

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Speaker 3: you say, which one you want.

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Speaker 1: To go for?

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Speaker 3: Art Three, Number three. That's when you thought that the

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Speaker 3: nail was in though, wasn't it. Yeah? Okay, I thought

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Speaker 3: that you and I had built some rapport. I thought

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Speaker 3: that we had almost become friends. However, you're now asking

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Speaker 3: me to slam my hand down on the very bag

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Speaker 3: that you think has a nail in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you put the block in there, you

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Speaker 2: could have taken the nail. Lad I didn't say what

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Speaker 2: happened on the inside.

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Speaker 3: You are so skeptical. Here we go, number three, There

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Speaker 3: we go, one, two go. That is one out of

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Speaker 3: the way. We left with three dogs. Were left with

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Speaker 3: three bags.

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Speaker 2: So you've just smashed your hand against it. You don't

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Speaker 2: have a hole in your hand. The nail wasn't your fire.

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Speaker 1: No blood.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've got three bags left. Okay, forget the numbers

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Speaker 2: of the bags. Now the brown bags now have colors

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Speaker 2: assigned to them.

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Speaker 3: We've got red, blue, yellow, red, blue, yellow. I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to influence your choices. This is red, this is blue,

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Speaker 3: this is yellow. Which color would you like me to squash? Red?

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Speaker 3: Blue or yellow?

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Speaker 1: Yellow?

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Speaker 3: Red? Blue? Yellow? This one here? One, two, three?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you bleeding?

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Speaker 3: No? No, no blood, trust me, blood no blood. If

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Speaker 3: that goes wrong, you will know audibly because I will screen.

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Speaker 1: You should do a Halloween version where everything goes wrong?

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Speaker 1: Would that be fun?

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Speaker 3: Well, because I could probably only do it once a

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Speaker 3: year because for the rest of you I'll be trying

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Speaker 3: to recover.

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Speaker 1: No, it could be fake.

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Speaker 2: You should do like one trick where you've got like

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Speaker 2: blood capsules in one of the bags, Like, oh, trick,

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Speaker 2: char it was just tomato sauce.

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Speaker 1: We could collab, We could collab. I think I feel

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Speaker 1: a collab coming on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're left with two bags. I want you to

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Speaker 3: name two two famous people. Name two famous people for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Sonny and share.

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Speaker 3: A good choice? Good choice. So this one's Sonny, This

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Speaker 3: one's Share.

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Speaker 1: Kill Sonny, kill Sunny. Same share? Keep share, yeah, keep sharing? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so wait, now there's two bags left.

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Speaker 2: You have a fifty to fifty chance of smashing your

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Speaker 2: hand down onto the nail and butchering your hand.

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Speaker 1: Ha ha, do it? Do it?

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Speaker 3: One? Two? There we go? Sonny, is God leaving us

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Speaker 3: just one used before I have taken If I reach

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Speaker 3: in and grab out the nail. There it is, there,

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Speaker 3: the block of wood with Oh you managed to avoid

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Speaker 3: me getting stabbed. Well done you. I'm not covered or

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Speaker 3: surrounded by sandwich bags. There we go. Were you impressed

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Speaker 3: with that one after?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't until the last one. Until the end, I

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Speaker 2: was like, all right, just gonna smash them all. What's

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Speaker 2: the point of that?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: So you've just you didn't smash the last bag.

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Speaker 3: You saved share that would be stupid.

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Speaker 1: And you opened up Share and there was the woodblock

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Speaker 1: with the nail. Indeed, I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened.

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Speaker 3: Now, I just messed with your head, didn't even mess

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Speaker 3: up your hair to do it.

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Speaker 2: So Anthony isn't the inventor of simlish. He is actually

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Speaker 2: a mentalist. Oh wow, that was really impressive actually, but

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Speaker 2: I kind of.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to see him get nailed.

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