1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Twice a week. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia Rodgers, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Shock Baby News, Sarah's Day's, Black Friday promo drama, Nadia 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Bartell's plans to grow her family, and our Friday Influencer Dump. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: The first Tammy Henbrose antics following show Poe's fifteenth birthday 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: event in Sydney have set tongues wagging cake? 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Can you tell us more? 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: So? Tammy was filmed by paparazzi leaving the event with 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: an older gentleman who appears to be Sean Anderson. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 3: Now. 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Sean is the CEO of the talent management company twenty two, 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: who recently signed Tammy to its books. He's also one 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: of Australia's best known talent managers. He made a name 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: for himself back in the day managing Jennifer Hawkins when 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: she was crowned Miss Universe. And in this vision, they 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: look very cozy, don't they. So Sean's got his arm 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: around Tammy's shoulder and it almost looks like they're holding hands. Yeah, 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: his hand kind of link down to hold hers and 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of awkward because they're around other people waiting 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: for a taxi. 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: Now. 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: The video appeared on Paparazzo Jaden Seagrass TikTok before it 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: was very swiftly taken down, which got people questioning, oh, 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: is he married? Now? I did some digging and it 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: appears Sean is single. Back in twenty twenty one, the 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph reported that he and his wife separated after 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: twenty years of marriage. They have two adult children together. 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: I wonder what they think. It's quite awkward because the 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: search term Tammy hembro old man is currently training on TikTok. 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: Yeah. 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: I must admit when I saw the vision, I was like, 34 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: who the hell is this guy? And what on earth 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: is going on? I mean, playing Devil's advocate. This could 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: just be a friendship that we're seeing. I mean, he 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: is the CEO of the talent management company Tammy works for. 38 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: On Saturday night, Tammy and her sisters attended the company's 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: twenty second birthday event in Sydney, so they've been hanging 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: out a lot recently. I also noticed Tammy showed some 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: love on a post about Sean, so one of the 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: publicists who works for twenty two Management, put up a 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: post in the lead up to the birth praising Sean 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and Tammy. Hembro added love hearts under it. Look to me, 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: this vision looked very flirty. It didn't look like they 46 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: were friends. And to add further intrigue, back in Tammy's 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: hotel room after this event, she shared a video of 48 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: her lying in bed, miming to the infamous mean Girl's line, 49 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: I can't go out. I'm sick, And after she mimes 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: to this, you see a man's mustly arm reach into 51 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: the shot and the anonymous man pulls her into his bicep. 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this really is bicep gate. People are like, 53 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: who the hell is this? Is this the old guy? 54 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, not to aid shame, but I didn't look 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: like an arm of an older gentleman. I mean, if 56 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: it is Sean Anderson, good on him. You've clearly been 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: hitting the gym. It was pretty funny because Tammy was 58 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: hanging out at this event with Indy Clinton. Again, they 59 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: are an iconic duo. They've actually added to their mum's 60 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: group aims. What an inclusion. She is an absolute legend. 61 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: I love seeing the three of them hanging out and 62 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: filming tiktoks and it's pretty funny because Indy Clinton wrote 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: under the video, oh my effing god, I have no 64 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: one to talk about this. We can I call you? 65 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: And Ames added the way I gasped. Other people weren't 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: so happy about it. Another person wrote already, to which 67 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Tammy replied, it's just a by sep. What does she 68 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: mean already? Hasn't she seen the news about Bailey Smith? 69 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Could this be Bailey Smith's bicep? 70 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: Well? 71 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: Talking about Bailey Smith. One of our lovely listeners emailed 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: us to let us know that they spotted Bailey Smith 73 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: on a plane to the Gold Coast, potentially flying out 74 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: to visit Tammy. 75 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: I'm excited for my bump. 76 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 4: Like I said, I've already got this Pinterest folder saved 77 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 4: of all the outfits I want to wear with my bump. 78 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers has announced she's expecting her first child with 79 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend Hugo Brakey. The former Miss Universe contestant, shared the 80 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: news on social media earlier this week and was. 81 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: Inundated with well wishes. 82 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: The reaction online was almost as if people had just 83 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: found out their best friend was pregnant. Everyone was just 84 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: so genuinely happy for Olivia, which was so nice to see. Yeah, 85 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: and it makes a lot of sense because Olivia has 86 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: been so open about how much she wants to be 87 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: a mum. 88 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 89 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: It was only a couple of years ago that she 90 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: documented the process of freeze her eggs, and following her divorce, 91 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: she shared that she was going through fertility treatment during 92 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: her marriage to Justin mckin, which was very brave considering 93 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: She shared that it was actually a part of the 94 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: decision why she decided to break up with him, because 95 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: she was set to undergo a fertility procedure and realized 96 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: the day before going through with it that it just 97 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: wasn't going to work with Justin. 98 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: She didn't want to have a child with him. 99 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she said the thought of having a baby 100 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: with him made her feel really scared when you should 101 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: be feeling really excited and happy. 102 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 103 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: And as you said earlier, Olivia has been so open 104 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: about the fact that she is ready to be a mum. 105 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: She even spoke about the prospect of having a baby 106 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: on her own. So that is why everyone is just 107 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: absolutely thrilled about this news. I suppose it goes to 108 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: show you never know what's actually around the corner because 109 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: it was a year after Olivia made that statement that 110 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: she met Hugo, So they actually met in December of 111 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, when Hugo was at a Bucks show 112 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: and they're set to celebrate their second anniversary in a 113 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: few weeks time. God, time is just going so quickly, 114 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm certain they've only been together 115 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: for a year, but it actually has been too which 116 00:04:59,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: blew my mind. 117 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: How was it two years ago since she was dating 118 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: Morgan Waterhouse? 119 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: Well them, I have something to do with the fact 120 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that she didn't go public with her relationship until June 121 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, six months into it, and that was 122 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: off the back of Olivia wanting to keep her relationships 123 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: private after her divorce from Justin McKeon. As you touched on, Amy, 124 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: she did hook up with Morgan Waterhouse quite quickly after 125 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: her divorce, and quite publicly, But I feel like Morgan 126 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: Waterhouse was the one pushing to make that so public. Yeah, 127 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: he made quite a few public potshots at Olivia that 128 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: I thought were really out. 129 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: Of one and I feel like him being such a 130 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: douchebag during and after their relationship. 131 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: I think It made everyone like Hugo so much, even 132 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: though we'd really only seen a photo of him, like 133 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: for months, all that we knew of him was that 134 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: he kind of looked a bit like Justin McKeehan. It 135 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: wasn't until September that Olivia dropped an interview with Hugo 136 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: and it was really in depth and he seemed lovely. 137 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, kay, I remember you mentioning that he seemed 138 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: like a real private schoolboy. Originally, I think that's perfect 139 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: for Olivia, let's be honest. Yeah, exactly. My math is correct. 140 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: It must have been around this that they actually found 141 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: out they were pregnant. It is interesting timing. I mean, 142 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: from a pr perspective, Olivia probably thought, geez, I really 143 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: need to introduce this guy to my audience, because it's 144 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: going to come as quite a shock if I just 145 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: suddenly say, oh, we're I'm expecting a baby. I mean, 146 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: I've been very open about the fact that I've been 147 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: on engagement watch ever since this interview. I was predicting 148 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: an engagement in December, but this has really thrown me. 149 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: This was not on my bingo card. Well, yeah, I 150 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: thought you were onto something, especially when Olivia announced that 151 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: she and Hugo were moving into a bigger place, but 152 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: this is of course, to accommodate for their baby. 153 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 154 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like this move was put on fast 155 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: track because Olivia said that she didn't want to move 156 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: when she was heavily pregnant, which is obviously a good idea. 157 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: It seems like this was a real shock to Olivia 158 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: and Hugo because Olivia was interviewed on her own podcast 159 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: this week after the news and she said that it 160 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: came as a surprise because they actually weren't trying to conceive, 161 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: and she ended up taking a pregnancy test after her 162 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: period was a couple of days late, so she found 163 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: out of the four weeks, which is very early. You 164 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: actually hear this happening quite often, especially in the influencer world, 165 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: like Sarah's Day. She spoke about all of her fertility 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: issues and then she had this surprise pregnancy with Fox. 167 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that maybe they weren't taking as many precautions 168 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: because they thought, well, this is going to be quite 169 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: difficult for us to conceive, and then they've had this 170 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: amazing news. 171 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 172 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: Olivia actually opened up about the fact that she was 173 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: quite nervous to share the News because, as you said, 174 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: she's been very open about her fertility struggles, and she 175 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: felt like maybe it wouldn't be received that well, particularly 176 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: because she'd also lined up to have her fertility specialist 177 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: on the podcast. 178 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: To be interviewed. 179 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, I'm kind of not surprised at that thought went 180 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: through Olivia's mind because other influences have spoken in the 181 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: past about how they've been on a fertility journey and 182 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: when they fall pregnant, suddenly their audience doesn't relate to 183 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: them anymore and they almost turn on them. Yeah. Well, 184 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: there are a lot of emotions involved in a topic 185 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: like fertility, so it is understandable that things can get 186 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: emotional in that space. Well, on the day of this interview, 187 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Olivia shared video on Instagram of her finding out that 188 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. 189 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: So she had hit. 190 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Record on her phone because she thought that this pregnancy 191 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: test was going to be one of many negative tests, 192 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: so she was very. 193 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: Shocked to actually discover that she was pregnant. 194 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was one pregnancy video that you knew was 195 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: one hundred percent genuine, like there was no hamming it up. 196 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: She was completely shocked, like her eyes were so wide. 197 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Apparently Hugo was in the other bathroom and she had 198 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: to call him in and he was just not expecting it. 199 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: But I loved his reaction. You can tell he just 200 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: has such a calming effect on Olivia. He's like, this 201 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: is good news. Well, even though Olivia and Hugo were 202 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: obviously thrilled by the news, she did admit on the 203 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: podcast that they were both rattled for a couple of 204 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: weeks after, and apparently when Olivia told her sister, her 205 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: first reaction was to ask how Hugo was because she 206 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: knows exactly what he's like. Yeah, Olivia spoke about how 207 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: Hugo is a real planner, and that was very evident 208 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: in the podcast interview he did with her because he 209 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: works as a management consultant and has a backgrounding chemical engineering. 210 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: His job is literally coming into businesses and making them 211 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: function better, and you can see he's really structured in 212 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: his approach. So Olivia said, it's really thrown him that 213 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: this pregnancy wasn't planned. Apparently he's taken it in a 214 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: stride and has been listening to a parenting book to 215 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: prepare himself, which I thought was really sweet. There is 216 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: I think you did the word you see your husband 217 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: reading a parenting book. I remember seeing Dale read Doctor 218 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: Golly and I was like, Okay, this is good. I 219 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: do want to commend Olivia on being so real when 220 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: she was talking about having mixed emotions when she found 221 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: out she was pregnant, because it's something a lot of 222 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: us go through. So she said that during the first 223 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: two weeks she felt so scared about her life changing 224 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: because she loves her life. And she also spoke about 225 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: how she was worried that having a baby would change 226 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: her relationship with Hugo. 227 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. 228 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 4: Nervousness also around. I love my relationship with Hugo, and 229 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 4: I have been like, oh my god, I'm I going 230 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: to burst the bubble with this. But I do think 231 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: from all of my close friends who have kids, they 232 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: have said, if you've got any little niggles or things 233 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: that annoy you about the other person, it's like pouring 234 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: fuel on them. 235 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: So they will be exacerbated. 236 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: But equally, if you're in a good relationship, it makes 237 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: you feel stronger and it gives you this bond that 238 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: is like nothing else. So I'm excited about that. I 239 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: think it's normal to feel nervous like I talked to 240 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: my cycle a lot about it, Nervous about whether or 241 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: not I'm going to be good at it. 242 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: You know, being a good parent. 243 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 4: I think there's so much to learn. 244 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a hard emotion for people to admit, 245 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: especially ones who've struggled to conceive, because you would have 246 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: running you through your mind. I have to be so 247 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: grateful that this is such exciting news. But it doesn't 248 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: mean that Olivia isn't going to experience all of those things, 249 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: like she will feel resentful at some stage, that maybe 250 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: she is looking after the baby more, or she will have, 251 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, those pangs of missing her old life. It's 252 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: just normal, well, particularly when it wasn't something that was planned. 253 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: We heard Nikki Westcott shares a similar sentiment on her podcast. 254 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: So it's nice that women feel comfortable enough to talk 255 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: about these things. I was keen to hear Olivia's thoughts 256 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: on the privacy around her baby, because this is something 257 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: influences have to really seriously consider, and she seemed to 258 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: be apprehensive about sharing her baby's face online. She said 259 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: she wasn't really sure what she would do, and one 260 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: of her friends actually said to her, well, how would 261 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: you feel if your baby's face was shared on the 262 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: Daily Mail, and she was like, I actually wouldn't like 263 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: that at all. I wonder if that came off the 264 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: back of her ex husband Justin McKean's birth announcement being 265 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: shared in the Daily Maybe there's something about the Daily 266 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: Mail like it's I think it's the comments section that's 267 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: the big issue with it. 268 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 2: The people on the are just so vile. 269 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she did say that she potentially could 270 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: change her mind. I think a lot of people are 271 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: swayed when they see their baby and they're just so 272 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: proud and like, oh, I want to share them. So 273 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: she said she you know, that could change. It's interesting 274 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: because she spoke about how she used to share her 275 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: niece's face online up until she was about two and 276 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: went to daycare. It seems like at the moment, the 277 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: general consensus with influences is you don't show them at all, 278 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: or you show them up to two. Yeah, have you 279 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: noticed that recently? Brooke Hogan did the same thing, And 280 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: obviously Steph cls Smith we've spoken a lot about how 281 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: she stopped showing Harvey's face when he was around three. 282 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: Seems to be the cutoff. 283 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: It's really hard because I'm in that predicament where I've 284 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: shared my son's face on Instagram and it's got to 285 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: that point where I'm like, I don't know if i 286 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: want to continue sharing it because you hear of all 287 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: these horror stories for you know, normal people like it's 288 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: it's And it would be even worse if you had 289 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: this massive following because it would attract weirdos. Like Unfortunately, 290 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: you have to consider like where is this image going 291 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: to turn up? 292 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: What can be done to this image? 293 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Is this safe to be putting these identifiable features out there? Yeah. 294 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I also found it fascinating that Olivia said she was 295 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: apprehensive about sharing about motherhood and pregnancy in general, and 296 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: she mentioned how she was so shocked at the backlash 297 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: that Laura Henshaw received after she shared that she wanted 298 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: to have an elective cesarean. But we actually touched on 299 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: that a few weeks ago, so if anyone wants to 300 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: hear our thoughts on it, we were pretty passionate about 301 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: that topic. Yeah, because I mean a lot of influencers 302 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: once they become that sort of becomes their niche and they. 303 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: Share about that. 304 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how Olivia's content changes, 305 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: and if it just becomes to a point, which I 306 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: think will probably get to where motherhood is so encompassing 307 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: and if your job is an influencer, you are going 308 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: to share about that process. I mean, you can do 309 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: it without sharing your baby's face, but there is a 310 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: lot of judgment I suppose that comes with that that 311 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: she is probably wanting to avoid. 312 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Okay, just back to your prediction. 313 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: You said that you had a feeling that Hugo might 314 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: propose on Christmas Day. Well, it seems like your spider 315 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: senses were tingling for another reason. So this is a 316 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: pivotal date for them. Because Olivia revealed this is the. 317 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: Date they're going to find out the gender of their baby. 318 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: That must have been why I was thrown off. It's 319 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: pretty cute because Olivia said that she always thought she 320 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't find out the gender, but because Hugo is such 321 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: a planner, he wants to know. So they've come up 322 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: with this compromise that they'll find out about the halfway 323 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: mark at twenty weeks, which is Christmas Day. I wonder 324 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: if they'll share the news with all of us on 325 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Christmas Day or they'll keep it under it. Well, wasn't 326 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: a Christmas Day, or maybe it was Boxing Day where 327 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: Olivia a few years ago shared the Olivia edit of 328 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: her wedding video. So I wouldn't be surprised if they 329 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: dropped the news. Can we have a prediction? Do you 330 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: think girl or boy? 331 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go girl. 332 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say everyone seems to be having 333 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: boys that is in our life at the moment, But 334 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: I also have a strong feeling it's gonna be a girl. 335 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: I'm not happy about this. We need a talk. 336 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has been accused of misleading her audience. Following 337 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: the launch of her Black Friday sale, the og fitness 338 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,119 Speaker 1: influencer shared her postpartum transformation in a video. 339 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: That has now gone viral. 340 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: The ad left people questioning whether the transformation featured was 341 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: a result from her much hyped sixty day challenge. I 342 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: can see why there was some confusion because Sarah has 343 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: spoken a lot about this challenge on her social media 344 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: and she's really been targeting it towards postpartum mums like herself, 345 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: and the video started off with Sarah showing a close 346 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: up of her freshly postpartum stomach, and in the vision 347 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: she squeezed and squished the loose skin together, and text 348 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: then appeared on the screen that said loading transformation. It 349 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: then transitioned to a shot of Sarah showing off her 350 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: very toned abs in the mirror. Now, this was a 351 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: full on body check like she used to do back 352 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: in the day. It looked like she was really sucking 353 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: in and positioning her body in the most flattering angle possible, 354 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: and text appeared on the screen that said up to 355 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: thirty percent off workout programs. Now in the caption, she 356 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: wrote up to thirty percent off workout programs including Body 357 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: and Bump, Pregnancy Guide, Restore, Postpartum Guide, sweat At to 358 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: Shreddit Home Workout Guide, and the entire Sweat series. Now 359 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Sarah's five to sixty challenge is actually the only challenge 360 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: that's not on sale. However, there was a lot of 361 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: confusion around the video. Someone wrote, wow, is this the 362 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: start of your sixty day challenge, to which Sarah responded, 363 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: this is after my third baby. Then another one of 364 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: her followers chimed in saying it almost appears from the 365 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: way it is edited to insinuate it is from the 366 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: start of the challenge. I think transparency is needed telling 367 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: audiences exactly how many days et cetera postpartum those clips 368 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: were taken, as there is some natural looseness and elasticity 369 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: that takes some time to return immediately after birth. There's 370 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: no denying your an absolute machine who works very hard 371 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: and intentionally, but I think that transparency is key. Now 372 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: that comment got fifty four likes and Sarah did not. 373 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: Reply to it. 374 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that that comment is still on there, 375 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: because most of the time comments. 376 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: Like that get swiftly deleted by Sarah. 377 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, for full transparency. There were a lot of 378 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: people who claimed that they were inspired by it, but 379 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, it made me feel a little 380 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: bit sad because these were women who were postpartum and 381 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: looking for it for hope. So someone wrote, wow, so inspiring. 382 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm currently three weeks in with my third baby who 383 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: might be collicky too, and having this loose belly skin 384 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: it gives me hope. Someone else added, man, I wish 385 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: I had as much discipline as you, and someone else wrote, 386 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: please adopt me as your mentor and teach me the 387 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: milk ways. I mean, there's no denying that Sarah looks 388 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: bloody amazing, But I think what people need to remember 389 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: is one, she is a fitness influencer too, she is 390 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: trying to push a guide. And three, everyone's bodies are different, 391 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: so even if you were to do all of these 392 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: workout plans, you may still not have Sarah's abs. And 393 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: the most disturbing thing, as you mentioned, Kay, is this 394 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: has been pushed to really vulnerable postpart and women who 395 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: were feeling shit about themselves. Yeah. 396 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 4: Well. 397 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: There was a Reddit thread about this promotion and some 398 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: women shared how it made them feel. One woman wrote, 399 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I am nine months postpartum and have loose skin, extra weight, 400 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: and a birth injury. I'm still rehabbing. If I wasn't 401 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: in therapy and surrounded by people who were loving, encouraging, 402 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: I would be so torn up if I saw this, 403 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: and another woman wrote, I unfortunately bought the postpartum Workout Guide. 404 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I used to blindly follow her, and then, while trying 405 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: to recover, I was doing these whack exercises that didn't 406 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: slowly increase intensity and cause many issues both physically and mentally. 407 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: In a low time in life, I thought if I 408 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: did the program, I would look like her and be fixed. 409 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: Since getting correct help both physically and mentally. 410 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: I've learned how toxic Sarah is me. 411 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: You are seven months postpartum. How does this type of 412 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: content make you feel? To be honest, when I see 413 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: content like this, I do sometimes look at it and go, wow. 414 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: That is actually very inspiring. 415 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but has it inspired you to do a workout? No, 416 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: but that's more of a time factor. 417 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: But that's the thing. 418 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: It is that you go, oh, I'd love to have 419 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: my body look like that, but actually, in reality. 420 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't have time. I probably am ever going to 421 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: look like it. 422 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: But does that make you think, oh, well, Sarah, she's 423 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: got three children and she looks like that. You know, 424 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: it makes me feel bad that I'm not doing it. 425 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: N It's definitely that. 426 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: Content where you go like, fuck off, like as if 427 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: you look like that, and then it does, in turn 428 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: make you feel pretty shitty. And then the other thing 429 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: is then you think, well should I buy this, because 430 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: it's almost like you're buying a dream. 431 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: You're buying hope that. 432 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: You will actually maybe look at that, and that is 433 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, and that is the problem with this because 434 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: there's no nuance there. It's quite misleading and saying Okay, 435 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: well I look like this and now I look like this, 436 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: so buy my workout guide. And there's no acknowledgment about 437 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: the fact that, well, Sarah is an incredible, wealthy business 438 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: woman who potentially has a nanny. I mean, she's been 439 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: open about the fact that she has a professional babysitter 440 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: there quite often to help her with work. It's also 441 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: a part of her job to look like that in 442 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: order to sell these workout guides. So when she, you know, 443 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: carves out time to do work, it is working out. 444 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of parts to the story 445 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: that are not reflected in this promotion, and I do 446 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: think it's misleading and I feel for impressionable postpartum women 447 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: who are being targeted like this to essentially to at 448 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: the end of the day, make money, and a lot 449 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: of it. 450 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: You know, this. 451 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: Guide has sold over two thousand copies. It's made Sarah 452 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: over three hundred thousand dollars in revenue. That's a lot 453 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: of money we're talking about. I'd love to hear from 454 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: people that have done it. I mean, notice in Sarah's 455 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: marketing she doesn't use before and after photos. That was 456 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: something Kayla Estenez did back in the day. She solely 457 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: just relies on how her body looks. But does this 458 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: actually work for other people's bodies? That's what I would 459 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: like to know. Well, I wonder if Sarah is even 460 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: still taking part in the sixty Day ChIL because a 461 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: big part of the marketing was that you were doing 462 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: this challenge with Sarah, But after doing a couple of workouts, 463 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: it's completely dropped on. 464 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: The sales have gone through. 465 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: The thing I find crazy about some of these influencer 466 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: workout guides is, for example, with this one, Sarah made 467 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: it pretty clear that these exercises aren't what she does 468 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: all the time. So the body she currently has isn't 469 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: from doing these workouts, it's from doing other things like 470 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: pilates and going to the gym. 471 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: Well, and she has a personal training. 472 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then we're being sold like, oh, if you 473 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: do this, you're going to look like Sarah. Well no, 474 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: because Sarah looks like Sarah because she's done X, Y 475 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: and Z. She hasn't just been doing this guide. On 476 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: the topic of Sarah, it's pretty interesting because earlier this week, 477 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: news dot com do au published an article about Hiro, 478 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: which is the electrolyte company that she invested in and 479 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: has been heavily promoting, and it spoke about how Hiro 480 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: is becoming a multimillion dollar company. So, according to the 481 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: co owner Steve Chapman, who was interviewed, the company's collaboration 482 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: with Sarah's Day and others have actually propelled the product 483 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: forward to be on track to do well north of 484 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: ten million dollars in yearly revenue for twenty six now. 485 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: Steve went on to say that when they launched their 486 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: collaboration with Sarah, they did multiple six figure days, which 487 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: were their biggest days by far at the time. However, 488 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: he's expecting to beat it this Black Friday now in 489 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: saying that prior to the Black Friday sales, Sarah's Hiro 490 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: flavor was actually being sold for half the price, despite 491 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: originally the company's sparking fears that it would instantly sell 492 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: out back in August off the back of their campaign. 493 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Whenever I see figures like this mentioned in news articles, 494 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: I always take them with a grain of salt, because 495 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: it's good for Hiro to be quoting these type of figures. 496 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: We haven't actually seen any proof that they've made that money, 497 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: not to say they haven't, but they want to get 498 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: back on their investment with Sarah's Day. So by promoting 499 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: their business as earning x amount, they're going to get 500 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: more investors on board and there's going to be more interested. 501 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: In this business. 502 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: Well, they've been pretty open about the fact that they're 503 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: looking for investors. Their plan over the next five years 504 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: is to build the business into a one hundred million 505 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: dollar company. That's exactly what they're doing with this pr 506 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: But I mean, when you zoom out and look at 507 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: the full picture, and the reality is that they didn't 508 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: sell as well as they thought for Sarah's collaboration because 509 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: they've been flogging it off for fifty percent off before 510 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: Black Friday. Now let's get into our Friday influencer dump 511 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to kick things off with Nadia Bartel, 512 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. So she has opened up about 513 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: plans to grow her family and this is with her 514 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: long term boyfriend Peter dougmore So. The forty year old 515 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: told the Stellar podcast the couple have undergone the process 516 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: of freezing embryos and would like to start trying to 517 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: conceive this year. I can't believe she's forty. It blows 518 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: my mind. When beck Judd turned forty, it kind of 519 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: took me back because I just think of her back 520 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: in the day when she was twenty one on the 521 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: red carpet in that red dress at the Brown Low. 522 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that Nadia and beck have been 523 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: in the public eye for so long now. Yeah, and 524 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: it makes you realize that forty is not old at 525 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: all now. Nadia went on to tell Stella that the 526 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: plan is for them to try and conceive naturally, but 527 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: it is comforting to know that they've got the embryos 528 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: as well. Yea already has two sons with her ex, 529 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Bartel, a seven year old and a ten year old, 530 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: who are very cute. One of them looks exactly like Jimmy. 531 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: Buttell which would. 532 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: Be really I always thought, would that be difficult for 533 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: Nadia to be constantly reminded of her ex husband who 534 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: cheated on her? I mean, poor Kit, it's not his fault. 535 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: No, No, I feel like it would be pretty shit. 536 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw these rumors Kate in September, 537 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: but a lot of people thought that Nadia and Peter 538 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: had got engaged, and this was because she was seen 539 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: leaving a Melbourne bridal store with a big dress bag. 540 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: But the rumors were squashed the next day when she 541 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: appeared a charity event in this designer's outfit. But this 542 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: was off the back of her telling The Daily Mail 543 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: that Peter was the ones. 544 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: A lot of people like, oh my god, they must 545 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: be getting married. 546 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: I would love to see Nadia Bartell get married again. 547 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with her look when she got married 548 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Bartell, but I think from a style sense, 549 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: she's even gone up a notched, particularly since she's launched 550 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: her very successful clothing brand, Henny. So it'd be so 551 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: interesting to see what she did with her look, the bridemaids, 552 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: all of the styling of the events. 553 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: I would definitely love to see it. 554 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: She was actually quizzed by The Daily Emailed this month 555 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: about a potential wedding, and she told them I'd rather 556 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: be with someone that respects me and cares about me 557 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: than get married again, clearly a subtle swipe at Jimmy. 558 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if they're planning on having a baby together, 559 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: I would imagine that a wedding may be on the cars. 560 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Perhaps she's just waiting for Peter to propose. I didn't 561 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: actually know that much about Peter, so I did a 562 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: deep dive and he used to play football and he's 563 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: now a model, so he's actually super hot. And he 564 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: slid into Nadia's DMS in twenty twenty two. And Night 565 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: has said in this interview that she didn't normally respond 566 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: to private messages on Instagram, especially from people she didn't know, 567 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: but she made an exception because Peter looked really nice 568 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: on his Instagram. And he also didn't have too many 569 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: photos of himself. Oh that is always a good sign. 570 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean, no photo with a fish tear, not too 571 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: many selfies a tick. 572 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: Amy. When you mentioned that Peter played football, I was like, 573 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: did he? 574 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: So? I quickly did a live Google while you were talking. 575 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't at an AFL level. It seems more of 576 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: a local level potentially. 577 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: I think that's even more appealing, to be honest. 578 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the VFL players actually have to have jobs 579 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: outside of footy, so they seem to be more well 580 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: ridd than normal, were more normal. Millie Court is reportedly 581 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: set to join the new series of Love Island All 582 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: Stars UK. The twenty nine year old, who won the 583 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season with former boyfriend Liam, is set 584 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: to enter the villa when the show starts in January. 585 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: What makes this extra juicy is the fact that Milly 586 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: and Liam only broke up in September this year, and 587 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: it's not the first time they've broken up. So a 588 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: couple of years ago they broke up and got back together. Now, 589 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: after the most recent breakup, it was widely tipped that 590 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: Liam would join the All Star series. Now that Millie 591 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: has been named as a contestant, people are even more 592 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: certain we're going to see both of them on the show. Well, 593 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: Milli really opened up on her YouTube recently and she 594 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: said that she was keen to settle down and spoke 595 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: about her fears of being left behind. 596 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what she said. 597 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 3: I feel like as you get older, it's only natural 598 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: that you start to feel like your time's running out. 599 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: And I feel like, especially at my age now, I 600 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: have friends who are engaged. I have a friend who 601 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: is married, like my best friends who I've been friends 602 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 3: with for nearly ten years whatever, only actually have one 603 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: other friend who is single. 604 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: I think if Milly and Liam enter the Villa this year, 605 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be an unmissible series because neither of 606 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: them will hold back. They've also got the history of 607 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: being on a podcast together where they've had other Love 608 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Island contestants on, so it's going to be even more 609 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: awkward if one starts looking up with one of the 610 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: contestants that they both know. I wonder if Millie has 611 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: spoken to the producers and said, look, I'll be on 612 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: the show off for Liam's not on it, because I 613 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: know that's happened in the past. Eck and Sue had 614 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: it in a contract that David A couldn't be on it. Yeah, 615 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm hoping they haven't agreed to it because it's just 616 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: fucking bored unless they put the X back in. A 617 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: lot of people were actually saying, well, I don't want 618 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: to watch it this year because the show is just 619 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: going to turn into X on the Beach. I mean, 620 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about, like, turn it 621 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: more into X on the Beach, put more of their 622 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: exes in. 623 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. 624 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: One of the appealing things about the All Star series 625 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: is that we know behind the scenes all the contestants 626 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: from different series have hooked up and they all know 627 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: each other and they're all connected somehow, and then we 628 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: get to see how that unfolds on screen. Former Block 629 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: contestants turned business moguls. Alissa and Lessandra were involved in 630 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: an awkward exchange on the You Beauty podcast. So the 631 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: twins were being interviewed about their thirty two million dollar 632 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: business Empire Alive, as well as their time on the Block. 633 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: When mid interviewed, the host confessed she only just realized 634 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: they were twins. 635 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen. When I was four, I reckon, 636 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: it's either she kicked me in mum's womb. 637 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 4: Four. 638 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: You guys have known each Oh you see, Oh my god, 639 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: we're fucking twins. 640 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: That is so funny. That is so funny. 641 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: Do you know I actually you're not. 642 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: Sitting there going oh. They at least looked like sisters. 643 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: I was like, they look very similar. 644 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: And when we were talking about there, I was like, oh, 645 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 3: they've both got such beautiful eyes. 646 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: I just thought, you're really close. 647 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: To my friends. 648 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: You know, I do get that. 649 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: That's true. 650 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: Identical are you here? 651 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: We are? 652 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny. That's why. It's just like best 653 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: friends but just somehow ended up in the same Oh wow, 654 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 2: and you said we're both forty one. 655 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that also I was like, oh, see, besties 656 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: or twets not born from the same room. 657 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: On the same day. 658 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked when I saw this clip on 659 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: social media. I was like, oh my god, it's pretty 660 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: common knowledge that Lessandra and Alyssa are twins. I mean 661 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: they were known as the twins from the block. How 662 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: do you miss that? And the fact they look identical. 663 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I know they've got different hairstyles, but come on, 664 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: and throughout the interview they were finishing one another's sentences. 665 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: They even both said that they were forty one. Yeah, well, 666 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, I just thought you guys were the 667 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: friends you know that, you know, friends are usually the same. 668 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: One of them was like, oh, we're fucking twins. 669 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Well. They actually ended up cutting this segment from the 670 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: podcast episode, but I suppose the producers probably saw how 671 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: hilarious it wasn't thought this is gonna go viral, so 672 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: they kind of threw the host under the bus there. 673 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: But she was getting amongst the comments and laughing at herself. 674 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all you could do because it was 675 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: pretty embarrassed. It reminds me this is like a humble 676 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: brag of when we met Taylor Swift and she was like, so, 677 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: how do you guys know each other? 678 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: And they're like Taylor, they're clearly sisters. 679 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: In saying that, I'm gonna put my hand up and 680 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: say we often get people's names wrong on this podcast. 681 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: I would hope if we were interviewing them we would 682 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: know a bit more about them though, But yeah, we're 683 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: not perfect. I was hoping if I saw them in person, 684 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: i'd realized they were twins. It's pretty obvious anyway. I 685 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. Thank you 686 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If 687 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: you do enjoy the show and want to hear more 688 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday. 689 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: All the details of sign up are in our show notes. 690 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 691 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 692 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: elders past and present.