1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie Kate 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: and Amy Torba. Coming up on today's episode, the evolution 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: of YouTuber Michael Finch, the bizarre Instagram feud between Abby 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: Chatfield and math Stein Wells, and the breath of fresh 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: air that is Master Chef. Well. We're sitting here, it's 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: a Thursday afternoon, and to be honest, we're kind of 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: all feeling a little bit over it. It might sound 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: a bit privileged, but I'm sitting here in a shirt 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: that I water bed and I've worn again and again. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know if any of our other listeners 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: are feeling the same. I definitely am. Like, this is 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: the hoodie I'm wearing a hoodie, sorry, that I've worn 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: for the last six days. It's got I was wondering 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: what that smell was in here. Oh, you can see 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: what I've eaten as well, different stains from my smoothie, 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: from my dinner, from everything delicious. Well, I can beat you. 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with loose clothes on because I have 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: a stress rash all over my body, all over my face. 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: So that's been very pleasant this week. I didn't know 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: that it's the first time I've ever heard of it, joking. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Sophie woke me up at one am on was it 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning or Wednesday? I've lost track of days. Are 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: all merging together to let me know that she had 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: a rash and she might be scared that she might 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: have to go to the hospital. Well, I think everyone's 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: falling apart during obsolution. Well, I'm just distraught tonight that 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: I can't do my fake tan. Well that's what I'm 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: going to do next week. I've decided I've got to 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: do a fake tan because I cannot stand looking like 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: a ghost anymore. This makes you feel like shit. I 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: think it's the best way to give yourself a bit 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: of a spruce up in this time. Like, you know, 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: you're obviously not gonna be wearing nice clothes, but if 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: you can be tanned, it makes everything look better. But 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: there's so many people talking about that they're wearing extra 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: makeup during isolation. I'm certainly not one of those people, 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: but I feel like I need to be because I 38 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: feel like for your own mental health, it feels so 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: much better when you are dressed a bit nicer. You 40 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: feel a bit more productive. Yeah, I know that I would, 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: but I'm still going to stay in my tracksuit pants. 42 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: I think, what about the Sicico's wearing the jeans? Oh 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: I got I you know, one of the things I 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: wore dressed up to my work was jeans. I mean 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: my work was pretty relaxed. I was working at a 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: sporting club. So I find it insane anyone actually relaxing 47 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: in genes. The only thing is, though, I kind of 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: miss wearing nice clothes because there is that element when 49 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you get home and you get in your comfy clothes 50 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: and you really appreciate it, Like I don't appreciate it 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: at the moment. Well, that's when you get in your pajamas. 52 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: That's how I feel like sort of break up the 53 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: night after dinner, I'll get into my pajamas and that 54 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: way my lounging around watching television. Well, we should probably 55 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: move on to our first topic, which is all about 56 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: makeup influenza Michael Finch, who is a course massive on YouTube. 57 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: But for those who don't know, so, can you tell 58 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: us a little bit more about Michael Finch. Yeah, Well, 59 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Michael started up his YouTube channel Makeup by Michael Finch 60 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, and he produces a lot of makeup 61 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: tutorials as well as makeup reviews, and he really got 62 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: everyone's attention when he started vlogging a lot with YouTuber 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Shiny grimm And, who we of course could write an 64 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: essay on. We spoke a lot about her on Wednesday's episode, 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: and he is just hilarious. I love him. I have 66 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: watched all of his videos. Well, actually not the recent ones, 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: but I watched all of his old school videos and 68 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: he is so funny. I love seeing him go to Bali. 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: It was his first time he traveled overseason. He asked 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: shiny Grimman, who he was traveling with, if he was 71 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: outside of the blue ball, meaning the world. Well, he 72 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: definitely has a lot of catchphrases that he seems to 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: have marketed. Well, what are some of your favorites? I'd 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: have to say, obviously literally, yeah, so you' I love 75 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: that one. Believe it seems like they were really trying 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: to capitalize on those catchphrases, though I know they There 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: was like one vlog when they're in the US where 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: they kept saying some catchphrase. I can't remember what it was, 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: but apparently everyone was complaining about it when they were 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: talking in that stupid voice. Well that that kind of 81 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: that's when they kind of lost me a little bit. 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: But they did seem to be making a bit of 83 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: money as in him and Shiny on the back of 84 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: saying those quotes, because remember they brought out there was 85 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: a T shirt SG the label that Taki rangh. Yeah, 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that was all Jonathan Soer was the master of my mind? 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Did you guys know that? He used to create a 88 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: lot of celebrity inspired looks and that's initially what gained 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: him a lot of traction online. But then of course 90 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: it was his gay a famous influence of friends that 91 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: seemed to really grow that. I do remember seeing him. 92 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: He did a video where he dressed as I think 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: it was Courtney no sorry, Chloe Kardashian and he had 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: a wig on and he looked like a woman. He 95 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: used to do all of them. Well, I think he 96 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: was taking a lot of inspiration from James Charles, who's 97 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of like the og YouTuber male makeup artist. Yeah. Well, 98 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: and for those who don't know, Michael Finch is gay 99 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: and he has spoken a lot about his sexuality online. 100 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: He did a video with his father which attracted a 101 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: lot of attention where he openly spoke about being gay 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: and his father's reaction to it. And in the past, 103 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: that's what really did get him a lot of attention 104 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: online was the fact that he was very real and 105 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: somewhat relatable. But I think I started to change when 106 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: he started to make more money and he started to 107 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: wear a lot of designer clothes and very much caught 108 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: up in that lifestyle. Or he's admitted that he's run. 109 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: He's you know, recently put up a lot of YouTube 110 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: where he's talked about how he thinks that fame got 111 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: to his head a little bit and he started buying 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: all designer gear, and now he says that all he 113 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: wears is stuff from Rebel Sport or just you know, 114 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: like Nike and added or stuff. And he actually ended 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: up selling a lot of his branded items because he 116 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: just didn't want it in the house anymore. But remember 117 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: that video, and he was I think we might have 118 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: even mentioned on one of the older podcasts where he 119 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: was talking about all the things he'd bought that were 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: just a complete waste of money, like it was a 121 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a such. He told I did want 122 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: to go through that with you guys. What are some 123 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: of the craziest things you can remember him doing from 124 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, because one that stood out to me 125 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: is paying someone about three hundred dollars to get rid 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: of a spider in his house. I think in that 127 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: the vlog Amy mentioned he said he bought a some 128 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: branded high fashion brand taw to barley and then lost it. 129 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: And the tower's worth like two grand or something. That 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: it shows you how much they're all actually earning though, 131 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: just to spend whatever, you know, a couple grand on 132 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: a towel. Yeah, but I think also there's probably a 133 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: lot that live a more frugal, frugal lifestyle, but then 134 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: they're actually investing in shares or in property. I do 135 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: think he bought a house for a memory, but yeah, 136 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money seems to have spent on his wardrobe. Well. 137 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: I think if talking about the evolution of Michael Finch, 138 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I think it all started to change when he started 139 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: doing those makeup courses all around Australia. Remember he was touring. Yeah, 140 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: that was like his peak, I feel it, and that's 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: when he had the blonde hair and he was earning 142 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: so much money. I think people were paying three hundred 143 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: dollars to go to his master class, and I think 144 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: that's when it all sort of got to his head 145 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: a little bit. I also feel like when Shanni moved 146 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: to Brisbane, sorry he moved away from Brisbane to Melbourne 147 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: to be with Tommy Bug, because they were doing a 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: lot of content that together, and I think they were 149 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: bouncing off each other's audiences and that's how his audience 150 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: was growing. But I think we also have to remember 151 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he was seventeen when he started his 152 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, so I feel like we've all really seen 153 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: him grow up and for someone of that age to 154 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: be thrown that much money and him have no education 155 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: on how he should you know, how he can foster 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: that money, Like he got a manager at one point, 157 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: didn't he Yeah, I don't know if she did that 158 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: much for him. Well. Also, he was originally living in 159 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: the country and then moved away from his family to 160 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Brisbane to be with Shani and their group of friends, 161 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: and I think shany moving away really did make have 162 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: a big impact on him. Should we talk about that 163 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: cool group of Instagram because I feel like he was 164 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: very much a part of it. So within that was 165 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: influencer Lily Brown, Ronnie I don't even know Ronne's last name. 166 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Ronnie never posts anymore. I feel like she's I don't 167 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: know what she's doing with her life. And then Bransbury 168 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: or Bransby. Yeah, and then Sky Wheatley was kind of 169 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: a floater of that. She was a very fringe person. 170 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: I kind of feel got the vibe. She latched onto 171 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: Michael Finch and then the others didn't really like her 172 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: that much. And then there was of course Chloe's that, 173 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: but she didn't really make it in the main group 174 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: because she lives in a different state. But about Louie, 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the other gay guy, the fabulous guy he was on 176 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Chris Fox, of course, I feel like people almost turned 177 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: on that cool group though, I mean, for me, I 178 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: found them quite annoying altogether. I would be interested to 179 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: hear from people who lived in Brisbane who might have 180 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: seen them out and about to how they acted, because 181 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like there's quite a few stories of them, 182 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: I suppose getting special treatment in nightclubs and all of that. 183 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: So whether that affected people's view of that group, Yeah, 184 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: I think they really had their peak, and they went 185 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: on their New York trip and all their big trips 186 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: as a group, and then it kind of felt like 187 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: everyone was making rumors about who wasn't friends anymore. And 188 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: then they started putting out videos at Michael and Shannie 189 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: had had a fight and living. Yeah, it was a 190 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: big blow up, That's what I mean. They put a 191 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: video out about it. I think as a viewer as well, 192 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: the fact that they were all friends, it kind of 193 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: felt like they were only doing it to further their 194 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: own careers. I mean, Lillly Brown had no followers when 195 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: she befriended all of them. I think once viewers start 196 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: to question the validity of the friendships, I think that's 197 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: when it comes crashing down and you see that it 198 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: is just for the dollars. Yeah. And I think once 199 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: that all those friendships seemed to break up, they lost 200 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: their sort of commodity as that group. They were no 201 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: longer that big group. It was kind of like they 202 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: were all then competing against each other. Well, in the 203 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: middle of last year, I think things took a drastic 204 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: turn for Michael Finch when he uploaded a YouTube video 205 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: where he spoke about his drink driving. Did you guys 206 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: see that? Yeah? I was pretty shocked that he put 207 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: this content out. I was brave of him, though, I 208 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: think it was very brave, and I do think it 209 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: was a good move to admit that he had done wrong. 210 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I was sort of thinking maybe he had been blackmailed 211 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: into like putting it out there. Yeah. Well, for those 212 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: who haven't seen it, he wasn't charged with any drink 213 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: driving offenses, but he admitted to the fact that he 214 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: willingly drove knowing he was drunk. And he also spoke 215 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: about how he came home and you know, there was 216 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: a big scene at the house where he's smashing up 217 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: his TV and threatening to kill himself. So it was 218 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: a very very dramatic thing to put out there, and one, 219 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, which was quite brave to do. Well. 220 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: It followed a series of other videos where he kind 221 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: of revealed other shocking details that He've revealed a lot 222 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: about his drug use. So he said that he was 223 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: at one point smoking marijuana a couple times a day, 224 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: which I was a little bit torn about whether he 225 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: should have revealed that. Because he does have a lot 226 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: of young influential followers. I think he really shone a 227 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: light on the impact this new influencer world has on people. 228 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're sort of like the new child stars 229 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: of you know this era and it just shows how 230 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: this huge rise in fame and the inability to manage 231 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: that leads on to sort of mental health issues and 232 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: drug abuse and it's quite sad. Really well, if you 233 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: think about it, they've got all the time in the world. 234 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: What they create a few videos once every few weeks, 235 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: and then they've got the rest of the time to 236 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: just sit there and spend their money. I mean, as 237 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: you say, there's not at the moment. It's really really 238 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: the footballers of our generation, I think. But so if 239 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: you with the footballers, at least they have that structure 240 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: around them. They've got people telling them, you know, managers 241 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: and the club. Oh, I understand that. I think we're 242 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: just going to have this new generation of people who suddenly, 243 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: when their lives aren't so interesting, they're going to be 244 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: entering the workforce for the first time and have no 245 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: idea what to do and no background. I also think 246 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: with Michael Finch, I know he did have his makeup tours, 247 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: but he's not like a Shanee who has her own 248 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: fashion brand. He hasn't really branched off into something that 249 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: he's really passionate about. It does sound like he has 250 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: been dealing with a few mental health issues though, which 251 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: is is quite sad. But he has been open about 252 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: it too, which while I think maybe he shouldn't have 253 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: been so open about his drug use, being open about 254 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the struggles he's facing might help a lot of people 255 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: who do follow him. Well, it's kind of sad because 256 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: he was talking about his weight loss journey and seemed 257 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: like he had got his life back on track. But 258 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: just last month, he deleted all of his social media accounts, 259 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: which raised a lot of concern with some fans and 260 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of fans but also speculating. Apparently Shany and 261 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: Lily deleted all of their photos with Michael and themselves, 262 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: which sparked rumors of another feud happening. I would love 263 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: to know what's genuinely going on because they post their 264 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: videos and they these days, they don't reveal anything juicy. 265 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, can they just do a tell all and 266 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: go okay, we were fighting, because that would go absolutely 267 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: off on YouTube. Well, the fact that he hasn't posted 268 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: for a number of months really is having an impact 269 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: on his social media career, because he has dropped over 270 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: eight thousand followers in the space of this month, as 271 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: well as two thousand people unsubscribing to his YouTube channel, 272 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy. That is crazy. I'd love to 273 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: know how much it grows when he actually posts something new, 274 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: like is it the same effect? Well? I just really 275 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: hope for myself that when this COVID nineteen thing is 276 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: over that he goes to Balley and produces some top 277 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: quality content again, because I loved these videos. Flies out 278 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: of the Blue Ball. Yeah. Well, moving on to our 279 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: reality show, Rap and Master Chef Australia is back, and 280 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: to be honest, I haven't watched it for years, but 281 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: I decided to tune in because I thought I kind 282 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: of need that wholesome reality show in my life right now. 283 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: I think everyone else had the same idea because it 284 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: has had its best premiere ratings in five years and 285 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: you called it, Kate Ra, Yeah, I called it, yep. 286 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: And also it is the best rating reality TV premiere 287 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, so it's actually beaten Maths in a episode. 288 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: And I think hats off to Master Chef. I mean, 289 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: I think they are definitely capitalizing on this isolation period. 290 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: But the fact that they have three new judges and 291 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: then they decided to get back the old popular contestants. 292 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I think what a great idea. It has been a 293 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: bit of a master stoke, the fact that they've got 294 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: chefs like Gordon Ramsey, Nigella Loss and all lined up, 295 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: because it gives us an open unity to get to 296 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: know the new judges, but then have these other big 297 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: characters in there. I saw online a lot of people 298 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: were loving They said they were loving the new judges. Originally, 299 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: to be honest, I was quite surprised by the inclusion. 300 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: I think it's Andy, who was on a previous series. 301 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: I actually didn't realize he was such a good chef now. 302 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: But I found it a little bit of a contradiction 303 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: to have the all Star Master Chefs returning, but then 304 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: to have one of their own as a judge. I 305 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: found that a little confusing. And also I found it 306 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: a bit odd the connection with some of the contestants 307 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: to the judges, as in Andy's best friend is one 308 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: of the contestants, and then Jock, the other judge, who's 309 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: an Adelaide chef, he used to have Laura, one of 310 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: the contestants working for him. Yeah, there was a bit 311 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: of conflict of interest going on. I wonder how that 312 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: will impact upon the judging of their dishes, because of 313 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: course Laura was so nervous and excited to present Jock 314 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: the dish, and it's not like he could then be like, oh, 315 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: that was shit, Yeah exactly. I think it is clever 316 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: that they've got Gordon Ramsey on at the moment and 317 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: then he's I think Nigella Lawson's going to replace him. 318 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: But it shows that the producers might not have confidence 319 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: in the current judging panel, because I think they are 320 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: quite weak compared to Matt and George and Gary Gary. Yeah, 321 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: but I mean, for me, the judges aren't a huge 322 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: component of it. Like I don't really care who's tasting 323 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: the food. I think it's more about the competition and 324 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the actual contestants, not so much the judges. I didn't 325 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: really notice it. I didn't notice it, but I thought 326 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: that obviously Jock is taking the role of Gary. He's 327 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: the sort of main host, and Andy's the kind of 328 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: goofy sidekick. And I feel like, I'm sorry, I've forgotten 329 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: the female judge's name, but she seems pretty kluey, but 330 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I feel like she's more of a token person that's 331 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: been added in as the woman judge. Well, it might 332 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: be a bit of tokenism, but I was really happy 333 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: to see a female judge on the show. It was 334 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: interesting about Jock. I think it's old news, but it 335 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: only came to light now that I actually know who 336 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: he is. Apparently he is a recovered, homeless heroin addict. 337 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: Now I would never have guessed that, because most people 338 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: online were going on about how hot he was. Really yeah, 339 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, these are the hottest judges we've ever had. 340 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: He's like, well, it's not hard to beat Gary the 341 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: old judges. He's saying that recovering drug addicts can't be hot. No, 342 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: have you seen what I'm not saying that. No, I 343 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: was just saying that most people were saying he was hot, 344 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: but a lot of people weren't talking about the fact 345 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: that he was recovering drugs, Like older women who were 346 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: just so bored at home. They're like, oh my god, 347 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: well talking about hot. My favorite Sophia and my favorite contestant, 348 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: Hayden Quinn is back and I'm enjoying seeing him back. 349 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't look any different. Well, someone who doesn't look 350 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: different as well as Poe. Isn't she like fifty years old? 351 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: She's near I did a big google of her and yeah, 352 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: she's I think she's like forty seven. And it really 353 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: freaked me out because, you know, Julie Goodwin who beat 354 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: her in the first series, she was only like three 355 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: years older than her. I was like, what, Well, it's 356 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: come out that Poe's ex husband is now dating her 357 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: best friend. There's this weird love triangle that's gone on. Yeah. Well, 358 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: in my deep dive of Poe, which sounds weird, I 359 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: also found out that she used to be a makeup 360 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: artist for like Megan Gaale and other celebrities, and her 361 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: name before I think she turned thirty, she used to 362 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: go by the English name Sharon. What. That's bizarre. Yeah, 363 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: d master Chef told her to go with Poe. No, no, 364 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: it was I think it was well before master Chef. 365 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: That's kind of sad. She felt like she had to 366 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: go with such an Aussie name. Well, it would be 367 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: very hard, you know, being called Poe back nearly fifty 368 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: years ago. It's like a Telly Tubby's name, isn't it. Yeah? 369 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: In the Red One. Yeah, Well, moving on to Big 370 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: Brother News and I'm so excited for this series and 371 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: there's already rumors about who is going to be in 372 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: the house, and they've dropped the name, well, the first 373 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: name of one of the contestants who's a former Carlton player. 374 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: To be honest, I'd never heard of him. He actually 375 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: used to live in Adelaide and play for Norwood and 376 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: he's also played for the Gold Coast. That's a bit 377 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: of a fitzy vibe. Yeah, his names are probably butchering 378 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: this Daniel Gorange go double him. He's been sarcastic so 379 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I thought you were too. So he seems 380 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: like a bit of a character on his Instagram. But 381 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the reason people are assuming he's in the house is 382 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: because the show was filmed. I think it was recently 383 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: they stopped, so it was from March to April, and 384 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: he had no social media activity during that. It's only 385 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: been very frimocious. I think it was ten weeks. Yeah, 386 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: it's usually three months. Oh I suppose that's fourteen weeks, 387 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: so it's not far off. Well, when are they bloody 388 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: gonna put it out a date? That's twelve weeks? I'm sorry, 389 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: when are they putting it out? Is there been any 390 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: date or still coming? It's been nothing announced. Can I 391 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: ask why none of these TV producers jumping on the 392 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: fact that we're all stuck at home with nothing to 393 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: do and we just want to watch good TV. I'm 394 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: wondering if it's got something to do with their not 395 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: being as much advertising money around and people want to 396 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: get the best deals for their show, the best bang 397 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: for their bucks. I don't know. It's on seven, isn't 398 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: it because they might be finding out what's happening with 399 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: the footy rights. Yeah. Well, the other reality show that 400 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: sort of interested me this week is News about Michael Goonan. 401 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: Can you believe that's his last name? He's a goon Yeah, 402 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: and Casey Osborne. They were spotted the other day traveling 403 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: in a private jet in Sydney to Melbourne. Are these 404 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: mass people? Yes? OK, so if you need to get education, 405 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: or just for anyone else who might not know who 406 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: they are. Sorry, I thought all unessential travel was banned. Well, 407 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: it was apparently a business trip with a side of fun. 408 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: They said on Insta this flight cost them nine thousand dollars. 409 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I think they wanted to give 410 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: off the illusion that they just catch private jets all day, 411 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't come across like that. On Instagram 412 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: because you know, when you want to be cool, like 413 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: they think they're so cool. But all they did was 414 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: litter posts of them sitting on the you know, sitting 415 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: on the private jet on the same chair together. And 416 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: did the Daily Mail get any pap shots? Did they 417 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: die off? They just posted video and photo all over 418 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: and stuff, so they didn't need to be there he 419 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: got at all. Wow, gosh, I you can really see 420 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: where Drew was coming from, couldn't you. No. I think 421 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: she just likes him for his oh yeah jokes and 422 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: his appearance and everything. He seems like a really cool 423 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: guy on the show who does well. The other thing 424 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: that's been making up the reality TV news is, of course, 425 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: the feud between The Bachelor's Abby Chatfield and Married at 426 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: First Sight's Dean wells, Okay, what actually happened, because I'm 427 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of confused by the whole thing. Well, firstly, I've 428 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: gotta say I have been living for Abby Chatfield's podcast. 429 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: She has been my best friend in isolation. I've been 430 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: listening to her NonStop and also interviews with her. And 431 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: Abby has teamed up on her podcast for one episode 432 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: with Clementine Ford, who is of course a Adelaide born 433 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: feminist writer. Now Abby was posting about some tweets that 434 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: Clementine had written, and Dean Wells comes up into her 435 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: comment box, of course, and starts making ridiculous comparisons between 436 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: feminist writers and the clue Klux Klan. Now, Like, what 437 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: the actual hell? Like, how can you even compare the two? 438 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I think he's just trying to continue his fifteen minutes 439 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: of fame and he's trying to use Abby to sort 440 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: of get in the press, which he's achieved, yes, but 441 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: he's obviously still trying to stay relevant. Anyway, there was 442 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: a bit of back and forth, and the both of 443 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: them shared the private messages between each other, and what 444 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: it came down to was the fact that Dean Wells 445 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: can't understand sarcasm. He completely took a comment that Clementine 446 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: said out of context and then tried to hammer Abby 447 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: on it, and she completely owned him and I've loved it. 448 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: You know what's even more bizarre about this whole argument 449 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: was do you remember that guy who was on the 450 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: Bachelorette in Angie's series. I think he's called Jamie. It 451 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: was Jamie, Yeah, Jamie Dorin. He's popped up somewhere on 452 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Instagram and then started slagging Abby off, saying, Oh, this 453 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: is typical. She's like slagged me off before bullying. Yeah. 454 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: He said that Abby had trolled him because there was 455 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: a thread on the Shameless podcast group sort of community, 456 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: and she had used a gift to sort of make 457 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: fun of the fact that there was a rumor that 458 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: he was dating Chelsea. But there were rumors that he 459 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: and Abby were dating as well, and that they hook 460 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: up in Bachelor and Paradise, So maybe he's pretty angry 461 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: at her after being dumped by her or something. Who 462 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: knows what's going on. It just shits me that these 463 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: guys come out and they're obviously so threatened by these 464 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: two feminists that they then have to like try and 465 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: be like, nah, you did this. It's like pissed. They're 466 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: also just using them for their for fifteen more minutes 467 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: of fame, like because they realize that they're irrelevant at 468 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the moment, so they've got to jump on the back 469 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: of people who are relevant. It's very tone deaf because 470 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: it just makes them look very dumb. Do you reckon? 471 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Everyone's just pissed off about being in isolation, so everyone's 472 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: just getting on everyone wants to take an argument at 473 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: the moment, I know what I do. No. Yeah, well, 474 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: I think that's probably all we've got time for today. 475 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you did enjoy it, 476 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: we'd love you to share on your Insta story where 477 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: you were listening from, and be sure to tag us 478 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: so we can reshare it. It'd be also great if 479 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: you could leave a comment on the review section and 480 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: leave potentially a five star rating. 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