1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and Kate. On today's show, Sophie Gwiddlin receives backlash for 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: posing with her son in a bikini, Tammy Hembro's passport drama, 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: and Shany Grimman sparks rumors she's moving to the Gold Coast. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: But first, Amy, You've had a rather embarrassing morning I have, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like I need to set the scene 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: for you guys, because, as some of the listeners may know, 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Sophie and I run our own business, so we work 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: from home. And I was at home. The house was 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: an absolute pig star because we've had a busy couple 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: of weeks with Whomer and the podcast, and I was 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: dressed disgustingly. I had the daggiest track pants on, I 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: had no makeup on anyway. I ventured into my room 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: to grab something around nine o'clock in the morning and 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: I hear this voice in my hallway and I was like, 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Oh my God, is somebody in the house. And the 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: person was saying Hello, Hello, And I thought, maybe it's 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: the neighbor or is this Dale's mum, But how the 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: hell did they get into the house because they don't 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: have a key anyway, I PopEd my head out and 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: it was our real estate agent that looks after the property, 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm here for your inspection. And I 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: had never received an email about an inspection, so in 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm just thinking, my whole house is covered 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: in filthy plates, in bloody clothes everywhere. Well, you've also 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: got two bunnies who technically you're not supposed to have 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: at the property, who were running around the eye and 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I may have one more cat than I'm also supposed 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: to have, So let's just hope the landlords do not 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast anyway. Thankfully, she took pity on 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: me and said, oh, that's okay. I'll go and I'll 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: come back in a week's time. It's the worst feeling 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: when people are in your space and you don't know 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: about it. Because I was going to say, if that 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: happened to me, I just assume it was my in laws. 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: They have a key to this house and they're often 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: when these things happen, you start to look at your 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: house with different eyes. You start to realize how disgusting 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: everything is in the house. And I just instantly started 42 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: cleaning up my house. I was so embarrassed, and I 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: feel like trying to clean away the shame. Yeah, and 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this has shocked me into having one 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: of those really really clean houses. I know, Kate, you're 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: trying to do that at the moment. Yeah, it is 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: a big aim of mind this year to be one 48 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: of those people that just has a house that's always 49 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: clean and tidy, so if anyone drops around, it's nice. 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: We've got some pens, We've got cello tape, We've got 51 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: some old pins. 52 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: We've got lots of money in here, lady, We've got dimes, 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: We've got franks you would have done. 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: We just chuck them in the bin. 55 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: I tell you what we need here. We need a 56 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: little piece of furniture doning. We need with little slots 57 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 3: on site you could put everything uniquely down there, and 58 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: then lots and lots of little drools so you can 59 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: put things in the. 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Rumors are true. On Tuesday, Chloe Zepp confirmed she's pregnant 61 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: with baby number two. Chloe shared a heartwarming video where 62 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: she broke the news to her partner, Mitch, Kay, can 63 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: you tell us more? 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: So? 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: The video starts off with Chloe and Mitch holding hands 66 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: doing their daily gratitude and in the video, Chloe says, 67 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I pray that you keep Mitch, myself, Artie, and the 68 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: baby in my belly, and then she paused, Now the 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: look on Mitch's face is just a absolute shock, and 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: he goes no way, and the pair started hugging and 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: crying and it was a really touching video, and Chloe 72 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: exclaimed that she had just done the pregnancy test that morning. 73 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: The video also showed clips of their son Artie, holding 74 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: the pregnancy test and saying Bubba, and also of course 75 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: a bump shot and an ultrasound shot. Now the caption 76 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: of the real red here comes the Sun. We've taken 77 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: some time to just enjoy life as three before it 78 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: comes four. But it's getting real hard to hide this 79 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: little surprise, blessing surprise, bebby number two on its way. Babby. 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Now I really bearst out love you when I said that. 81 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Now it appears Chloe is around the four month pregnancy 82 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: mark because she did share the reel to her story 83 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: and had a little prelude that said, how our year 84 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two began. The Blue Tick Brigade were 85 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: of course out in full force to congratulate Chloe, with 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: messages from Martha Califatitis, the Hembros, Lily Brown, Ashy Byn, 87 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwidlin, M Davies, Sophie Kesha, the list goes on. 88 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Everyone was really thrilled by this news. Now discussion is 89 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: already brewing that this baby announcement could signal their redemption. 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: And I don't think you would have a heart if 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: you watched that video and didn't feel something, because the 92 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: look on Mitch's face was just beautiful. He looked so 93 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: excited and happy, and he just absolutely lit up when 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: he heard the news. And I personally had chills going 95 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: down my spine when I was watching the video. And 96 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: this is the Chloe and Mitch of old that everyone 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: fell in love with, and I think this pregnancy will 98 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: be a big part of their comeback. Well, the video 99 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: really humanized them, didn't it, Because I feel like they 100 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: have been demonized so much on social media, and I 101 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: think a big part of it is that Chloe and 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Mitch garnered so much support and love during their first 103 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: pregnancy with Artie, so I think this second pregnancy is 104 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: going to be no different. And I think, as you said, 105 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: so if it's going to be a big part of 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: their redemption arc. In no way am I saying that 107 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: this pregnancy was planned to redeem their battered profiles. But 108 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I think it's come at a very good time for them, 109 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: particularly because the sentiment around COVID and vaccines is all 110 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: wearing down a little bit. We're all used to living 111 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: with COVID. I also think the fact that Mitch has 112 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: done the right thing and taking himself offline, it seems 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: like he's really working on himself, and the fact that 114 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: he's also gone out and done a conventional job now 115 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: he's running a fast food restaurant. I will be really 116 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: interested to see if this helps the attitude around the 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Zeps and the orvils change, because I'm wondering if the 118 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: Zeps and orvals start to make a bit of a 119 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: redemption and people are nicer to them online, will Mitch 120 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: then put himself back online. Another thing I did notice 121 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: in the announcement video is the continued use of religious terms, 122 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: which I think again shows a big change in the 123 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: couple and a lot of people have spoken about how 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: Mitch has religious tattoos and this religious lane which has 125 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: been creeping in on their posts. In the caption, Chloe 126 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: used the term blessed, and in the video they are 127 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: of course praying. So it's an interesting to see how 128 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: they have changed so much in the last year or so. 129 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: I did find it quite amusing that Chloe made the 130 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: announcement video in the movie room. I mean this is 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I noticed that too. I mean, this is Mitch's favorite spot, 132 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: so I mean, I feel like it's quite fitting. And 133 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: I do wonder if the pregnancy might be one of 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: the reasons why they have moved house. Yeah, I mean 135 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: they did certainly have enough bedrooms in that original house. 136 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: But you know, when you do have a big life change, 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: like having a baby, it does make you rethink everything 138 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: and maybe another house would be better for a newborn. 139 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: And it's clear that Mitch is no longer sleeping in 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: the movie room after the baby announcement. 141 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: Well, I think that's what. 142 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Confused a lot of people, because Mitch was so vocal 143 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of last year about his relationship with 144 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: Chloe not being in a great place, and since he's 145 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: been an offline it seems to have improved. But it's 146 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: just interesting how Chloe hasn't really provided an update, Like 147 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: it didn't even seem like they were actually together at 148 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: this point last year, so obviously things have changed a 149 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: lot in that time. 150 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 5: What you've just said is one of the most insanely 151 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 5: idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything 153 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this 154 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 5: room is now dumber for having listened to it. 155 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwidlin has thrown the Internet into a spin by 156 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: posing in a bikini next to her teenage son Kai. 157 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: The thirty three year old fitness influencer received backlash after 158 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: sharing a series of photos to celebrate her son's fifteenth birthday. Sophie, 159 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? 160 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 161 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, Sophie actually ended up having to write a disclaimer 162 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: on the photo after receiving so many comments saying it 163 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: was inappropriate for her to pose next to her son 164 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: in a bikini. Now, Sophie edited the caption to explain 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: that she lives on the Gold Coast, where it is 166 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: beyond normal to wear a bikini. She then went on 167 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: to say she has no problem wearing a bikini in 168 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: front of her son because she is not and never 169 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: ever will be sexualized to him. She then urged her 170 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: followers to look into why they feel they have to 171 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: sexualize a woman's body instead of it simply being a 172 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: mum and her son at the pool. Sophie also jumped 173 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: on her stories and said this, I think the. 174 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: Good thing to mention here is that I wear bikinis 175 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: in front of my kids. 176 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: Because my body. 177 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: It's normal. Having a body is normal, having body parts 178 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: is normal. It's not sexualized. 179 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 4: It's not a shameful, and it's something that I really 180 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: really reader wrote and drive. 181 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 3: Home here with my boys, so when they see me 182 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: in a bikini, they don't think anything other than, hm, 183 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: mum's tanning, mum's going to the beach, UM's going for 184 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: a swim. They don't see me and be like, ooh, 185 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: what a sexy bum you've got. So stop sexualizing bodies, 186 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: and bodies will stop being sexualized. 187 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: Sophie then followed up by sharing this video with her son. 188 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 4: Guys, I just sat down with KAYI. He just came 189 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: back from bike riding and I was like, mate, did 190 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: you have a post a problem with my post this 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: morning and he's like, for real, what And I was like, 192 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 4: because I was in a bikini, and what was your response? 193 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 6: You always in a bikini? 194 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: And then he was like, can you show me the post? 195 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: What's wrong with it? And I was like, this is 196 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: the post and he was like, for real, Like there's 197 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 4: no level of like issue. Even the girls were like, hm, 198 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 4: what is the problem? We're a bit confused here. 199 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: Sophie also reminded her followers that her son used to 200 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: cheer her on in her bodybuilding competition days where she 201 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: would be on stage in a bikini. Now, Kate, what 202 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: was your initial reaction to this post. I'm not proud 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: of saying this, but if I'm completely honest, my initial 204 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: reaction to the photo was a feeling of discomfort. And 205 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I feel terrible for saying that, but I just wanted 206 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: to be honest because I know a lot of other 207 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: women had the same reaction, and I think it's important 208 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: to unpack it because, upon reflection, this is a clear 209 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: case of internalized misogyny because for so long women's bodies 210 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: have been sexualized, particularly on platforms like Instagram, and it's 211 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: now just an everyday occurrence to scroll through the app 212 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: and see women posing in sexy bikinis in between pictures 213 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: of your friend's dog and news updates. And while we 214 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: are seeing more and more women take control of the 215 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: narrative and post those sorts of pictures under the framework 216 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: of body positivity and female empowerment, the male gaze still 217 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: plays a big part in those photos. And the male 218 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: gaze has always been a big part of the swimwear 219 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: advertising industry. If you think about the ads you watch 220 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: growing up, men were always surfing in the waves or swimming, 221 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: while women were positioned in sexually alluring poses on the beach. 222 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: And this sort of advertising sends a clear message to 223 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: girls from a young age about their bodies and their values. So, 224 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: with all of this in mind, when I did see 225 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: the photo of Sophie, who often posts sexy bikini photos, 226 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: it took my brain little time to recalibrate and really, 227 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: how bloody disgusting is that this is Sophie's son, who 228 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: doesn't see his mother as anything else but his mum. However, 229 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: the photo posted on a platform where I'm so used 230 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: to seeing female bodies sexualized that it was hard not 231 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: to merge the two messages together and That's why I 232 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: thought it was really important to unpack the reasons why 233 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: so we can begin to challenge ourselves on this ingrained thinking. 234 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to analyze this issue from 235 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: a body positivity perspective. There have been so many think 236 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: pieces written over the years about the importance of women 237 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: wearing bikinis in front of their children, and these articles 238 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: center around the notion that in order to teach children 239 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: how to love and accept their own bodies, mothers need 240 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: to embrace their own. So many women believe it's important 241 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: that their children see real women's bodies in all shapes 242 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: and sizes, not just photoshopped images online and in magazines 243 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: and other deem it important so children understand that bikinis 244 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: aren't about sex and revealing skin is not a trigger 245 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: for inappropriate attention. And in the case of Sophie Gwiddelin, 246 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: she clearly is embracing her body in front of her children, 247 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: and she explains that her body is normal and it's 248 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: not something that should be sexualized and aim She also 249 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: says she wears bikinis in front of her kids all 250 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: the time, that it's just the norm, and I do 251 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: wonder if she would have received the backlash if she 252 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: didn't have what society deem as the ideal body. And 253 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: I do think that the reaction would have been totally 254 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: opposite if Sophie was a plus sized woman, because I 255 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: think we would be celebrating how body positive she was 256 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: and how comfortable she was wearing bathers in front of kids, 257 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and what a fantastic thing it was. So if you 258 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: do make a good point about Sophie Guidolin's looks, and 259 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: I do think women in particular reserve a special kind 260 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: of indignation at women who fall into the milk category. 261 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: So just in case you've been living under a rock, 262 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: milk stands for mum, I'd like to f and there 263 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: are some women out there that wear the name as 264 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: a badge of honor. However, it really is a term 265 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: that is loaded with perplexing hypocrisy. And I read a 266 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: really great article in Harper's Bazaarre called It's Time to 267 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: Retire the title of Milf written by journalist Sarah Hassan, 268 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: and in the article she talks about how new mums 269 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: a desectized and hyper sexualized simultaneously, so at the same 270 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: time as trying to keep a small human alive and 271 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: dealing with arguably the most emotionally vulnerable time in their lives. 272 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: New mums are often expected to look hot. However, they 273 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: can't be too hot because that means that they're selfish, 274 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: but hot enough that they don't look frumpy. And in 275 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: the article, Hassan interviews duller and childbirth educator Dina Blumfield, 276 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and she said, it's the triconomy of virgin wore mother 277 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: and the three shouldn't meet except where they should. We 278 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: can't all be three at once, but we have to 279 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: be all three at different times. So the pressure is 280 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: just huge on new mums because they're expected to balance 281 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: their career with motherhood, all while looking young and in shape, 282 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: and also while denying the impact of having a child 283 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: on their bodies. And it's easy to see how this 284 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: milk ideology pits women against each other. It's essentially just 285 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: another area for women to compare themselves and fail in. 286 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: So perhaps this competitive nature is playing into women's reactions. 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Because Sophie Gwiedlin is renowned for her tone physique, which 288 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: is seen as particularly impressive considering she has two teenage 289 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: sons plus young twin daughters, so her physique is not 290 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: normally what we associate with a mother of four, So 291 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: perhaps our minds just can't compute this bikini image that 292 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: we saw. And I also feel like the porn industry 293 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: has a lot to answer for in terms of sexualizing mums. 294 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys remember this, but 295 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: it was actually American Pie back in nineteen ninety nine 296 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: that put the term milf out into the mainstream, and 297 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: it was Stifler's mum who was the original milf, and 298 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: so the porn industry quickly jumped on this genre, and 299 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: the term milf is now one of the most searched 300 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: terms in the world. And I think it's this fixation 301 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: on MILFs and sexy mums that is part of the 302 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: reason why we have such a strange reaction to seeing 303 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: an attractive mum in bikinis with their teenage son. And 304 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: there were a lot of comments on Sophie's post around 305 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: imagine what his friends must think and I wouldn't want 306 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: my son coming over for a swim. And I think 307 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: it is movies like American Pie and also the porn 308 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: industry which have conditioned us into sexualizing teenage boys and 309 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: attractive mums. There is clearly a lot of mum shaming 310 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: going on here and also this overwhelming assumption that mums 311 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: can't be sexy. And in an article written for Mum 312 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: and Mia by Danniel Kampa Amore back in twenty fifteen, 313 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: she spoke about how she overheard young men commenting that 314 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: she was attractive for a mum, and this experience made 315 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: her consider how her decision to have a child somehow 316 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: meant she lost a certain sexual law. She went on 317 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: to say, culture demands that women present themselves in a 318 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: certain way, always displaying a saturated a law of sex 319 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: and desire and wanting, while never actually having sex or 320 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: a particular desire or consuming want. A woman must put 321 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: forth a conscious effort to appear attractive, but loses her 322 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: law if she admits that she had put forth said 323 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: effort to actually appear attractive. She must enjoy sex, but 324 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: only with you, and only when you decide it's appropriate 325 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: for her to do so. At the end of the day, 326 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: it appears to come down to a simple fact. Women 327 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: cannot win mums in particular in this case, and sadly 328 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: it's often women and other mums putting this pressure on mums. 329 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: Due to this ridiculous internalized misogyny, and as women, we 330 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: really need to stop contributing to sexualizing women's bodies without 331 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: their permission. A woman in a bikini is not an object. 332 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I think we also need to stop pushing this idea 333 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: that as soon as a woman has a child, a 334 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: woman suddenly needs to hide her body, because we need 335 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: to understand that the idea that mums should dress modestly 336 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: is another result of misogyny. And finally, if you ask 337 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,239 Speaker 1: yourself this, if this was a picture of an attractive 338 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: dad wearing a speedo hugging his daughter, would we react 339 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: the same way and suddenly jump to sexualize this image? 340 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: These pretzels I'm making, Maasti. 341 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has sparked speculation that her ex fiance, Rhys Hawkins, 342 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: is allegedly refusing to sign their kids passport applications for 343 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: her upcoming baby moon. Sophie, can you tell us what 344 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: has happened? 345 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: Well? 346 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro is currently planning an overseas baby moon with 347 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: her children and fiance Matt Paul. However, on Tuesday, she 348 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: shared that she has been having a stressful time trying 349 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: to get her kids Wolf and Saski's passports renewed, explaining 350 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: she's been dealing with some obstacles. Here's what she. 351 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 6: Said, Also super happy I finally got the kids' passports 352 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 6: renewed for our trip. I had the most stressful week 353 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 6: last week, dealing with some obstacles. 354 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: But yeah that, yeah, it's all good. Now I've got 355 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: the passports done. I booked the flights last night, already 356 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: to go on the trip. The kids are so excited, 357 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: Danie Now. 358 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Tammy's Instagram story has led many to speculate that the 359 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: obstacle she's referring to is an ex partner and the 360 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: kid's baby daddy, Reese Hawkins. Sadly, Reese appears to have 361 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: been out of the kid's lives for quite some time now, 362 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: because he did relocate to the US last July to 363 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: live with his wife London and the young son's stone 364 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: now in a q and A. In November last year, 365 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: Tammy confirmed that she was looking after the kid's full time. Now, 366 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to children's passports, both parents need to 367 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: provide consent, so the law states that those who have 368 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: a parental responsibility for the child have to consent to 369 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: the passport. Now, you may be wondering what exactly parental 370 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: responsibility means. Well, it's whether the parent's name is on 371 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: the child's full birth certificates. So in terms of Tammy situation, 372 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: in order for her to renew the kid's passports, she 373 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: needs Reese to play ball. So therefore, followers are speculating 374 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: that Reese is refusing to provide a signature for Wolf 375 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: and Saski's passport application forms. So it's pretty interesting because 376 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: in a situation where a parent refuses to sign a 377 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: child's passport application, there are two options. So the parents 378 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: seeking the passport can make an application to the Department 379 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs in trade outlining that special circumstances exist 380 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: for the travel. So these can be things like urgent 381 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: travel for a family emergency, the existence of family welfare 382 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: orders regarding the child, or if attempts to contact the 383 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: refusing parent have been unsuccessful, or if there is a 384 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: family violence order against the refusing parent. The other option 385 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: is that the parents seeking to travel can make an 386 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: application to the Family Court of Australia seeking an order 387 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: to approve travel now. In order for their application to 388 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: be successful, the court must be satisfied that the travel 389 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: is within the child's best interest. It's also possible for 390 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: parents to seek sole parental responsibility for a child, so 391 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: in the future they are the only person who has 392 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: to provide consent. So, just to reiterate, Tammy has not 393 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: directly commented on whether or not Reese has consented to 394 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: the trip or what their status as parents is. It 395 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: does appear, though, that there is sadly a communication breakdown 396 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: happening at the moment, because a follower recently wrote to Reese, so, 397 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: why haven't you seen your first two kids? Answer the 398 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: question and shut us all up, to which Reese responded, 399 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: because me and their mum have the most fucked relationship 400 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: on the planet and always have and it's not possible 401 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: for me right now. God, that's so sad. Yeah, this 402 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: whole situation is so sad because it's the kids at 403 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: the end of the day who get punished. And it 404 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: would be so awful for Wolf and Sasky to somehow 405 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: stumble across these comments in the future. And I know 406 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people may be questioning why Reese would 407 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: write such a message, and I'm really not defending him here, 408 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: but I do want to point out that there have 409 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: been a number of hate pages who constantly scrutinize Reese 410 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: and London. So this comment would have come off the 411 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: back of what I'm sure are tens of thousands of 412 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: relentless dms or comments demanding that Reese explained why he 413 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: hasn't seen his kids, and I feel like he would 414 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: have jumped on his phone and reached a breaking point 415 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: where he fired off a really angry response. And despite 416 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: this frustration from Reese, I think that the wording was 417 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: just really off and bad. And if you have people 418 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: demanding answers from you and you get to the point 419 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: where you feel like you've a comment just to shut 420 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: them up, I really think he should have spent a 421 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: bit more time articulating a better response where he didn't 422 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: blame Tammy and his relationship with her for the situation, 423 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: because it's just led to more questions rather than shutting 424 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: the discussion down. 425 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: Hey, this is a very flattering angle or on our 426 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: way to the post office, and don't worry, I'm only 427 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: going through my driveway, so I'm not doing anything illegal. 428 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 5: Okay, so the neighbors are kind of looking at us. 429 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: First awkward vlogging moment Shannie Grimman has spark speculation that 430 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: she's moving to the Gold cost So can you fill 431 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: us in on what's going on? 432 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: Well? 433 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: This week, Sharne shared an Instagram story which was a 434 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: selfie of her and boyfriend Jacob Tompkins pulling funny faces, 435 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: and across the photo she wrote, PSA to all brands, 436 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: I've closed my PO box for now, so anything sent 437 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: to what will be returned to sender. And I feel 438 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: like Shannie Grimman in particular, is an influence that that 439 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: has shared a very special relationship with her PO box. 440 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I know that might sound funny, but in her old 441 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: school vlog she would always show herself as a sixteen 442 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: year old excitedly going to the PO box to pick 443 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: up her first brand deal and also the fan mail 444 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: that she would receive, and she seemed really proud to 445 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: have a PO box because I feel like it's signified 446 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: that she'd made it as an influencer. So as you 447 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: touched on Kate, followers are speculating that Shanny has closed 448 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: down her PO box because she is moving to the 449 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and Shanny has previously shared that she's desperate 450 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: to move to the Gold Coast. Her boyfriend Jacob, on 451 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the other hand, isn't so keen, so she's been unsure 452 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: of what to do. A lot of Shany's old crew 453 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: now reside on the Gold Coast, including Michael Finch, Rannie Bransby, 454 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley and Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orville, so there 455 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: is speculation she's wanting to move back to hang out 456 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: with them. Well, I did see Shanne and Michael hanging 457 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: out this week on Instagram, so maybe she is trying 458 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: to respark those relationships so when she does move to 459 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: the GC, she's got some friends there. I've got to 460 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: admit though, when I initially saw Shanne's post, I thought 461 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: perhaps she was just no longer accepting random per packages 462 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: from brands, because influencers complain a lot in their vlogs 463 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: about getting so much cardboard and how it's really bad 464 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: for the environment and all the waste. So I was 465 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: wondering if it might be that. Yeah, I thought that 466 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: the post might be signaling that she's taking a step 467 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: back from the influencer world to concentrate on a swim brand, 468 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: because I'm sure that she still wants to work as 469 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: an influencer, but a lot of influencers seem to only 470 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: be working with brands that they want to have long 471 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: term relationships with, and although it might sound fun to 472 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: constantly receive free shit, at the end of the day, 473 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: it'll be quite overwhelming to receive the amount of stuff 474 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: that they do on a daily basis. And also the 475 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: fact that she's not going to be posting about it, 476 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: so she's probably given her long term brands a different 477 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: address to get her on than the run of the 478 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: meal po box. I still think it signals that she's 479 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: moving to the Gold Coast. So I think that's all 480 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: we've got time for today. Thank you so much for 481 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: joining us for another episode, and if you want to 482 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: join in on the conversation, head over to our Facebook community, 483 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: which has outspoken of the podcast community also love it 484 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: if you could leave us a five star review.