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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. As usual, you're joined by

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Speaker 1: journalists Amy Sophie and Kate Torber and today we have

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Speaker 1: our special guest Dr X back in the studio for

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Speaker 1: part two of our very honest chat about what some

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Speaker 1: men are thinking. And just to remind you, of course,

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Speaker 1: this is just some men that are victiing this. So

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Speaker 1: let's get back into our chat and we've got a

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Speaker 1: few more questions of yours to answer. So the next

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Speaker 1: question is from Jess from New South Wales. Dear doctor X,

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Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend broke up with me a few months ago.

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Speaker 1: He said he wasn't ready for a relationship, but continues

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Speaker 1: to message me. We have hooked up a few times

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Speaker 1: since then. Why does he continue to lead me on

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't want a relationship now?

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Speaker 2: It really it depends firstly how old he is. That

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Speaker 2: makes a big difference. Is he twenty five or is

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Speaker 2: he forty? If he's young or maybe again hedging his bets.

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Speaker 2: You know, he wants to see what's out there, and

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Speaker 2: at the same time, I don't want to lose you

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Speaker 2: because I do like you, so he might probably does

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Speaker 2: like you. But at the same time, again it all

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Speaker 2: depends how old he is. He's just walking carefully, doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to lose you. But at the same time, there

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Speaker 2: might be someone out there, or maybe he wants to

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Speaker 2: have sex with other women. Who knows, But Jessica from

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Speaker 2: New South Wales, I really need to know how old

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Speaker 2: this guy is and then I could give you a

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Speaker 2: better estimation of what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, this sounds like a pretty common

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Speaker 1: thing I've heard from a lot of my friends. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they do break up, then there's the hook up,

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Speaker 1: and they think they're going to get back together, and

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Speaker 1: then it just seems to keep going on and on

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Speaker 1: and on until the girl finally gets a new boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty common. Yeah, I reckon he's just

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Speaker 1: keeping her hanging on in case he decides he actually

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Speaker 1: wants a girlfriend, and you know, or as you said,

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Speaker 1: hedging his bets in case anything better comes along. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll keep you close, but not too close, and you.

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Speaker 3: Don't blame him.

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Speaker 2: And if who is it, Jessica, if she's willing to wait, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe you should do the same thing, Jessica.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe hang on to him, but have a

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Speaker 2: look around to see if there's something better.

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Speaker 1: I would recommend, though I wouldn't sleep with I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hook up with him if.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't as she slept with him or not.

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Speaker 1: She said hooked up, So I don't know if that

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Speaker 3: Could be hooked like raising hooked up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think if it's your ex

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Speaker 1: and you really want to get back with them, I

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Speaker 1: think by hooking up with them, it's I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's showing that you're not waiting for commitment, but you're ready,

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Speaker 1: You're fine to just have a fling. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be taken too seriously. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I suppose if they're used to hooking up, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard. Though it also depends if this girl is

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Speaker 1: still in love with the guy, because it'd be quite

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Speaker 3: For her, that makes a big difference, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: And she's getting this you know, false sense that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get back together, it'd be very painful. Well,

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Speaker 1: then she shouldn't be doing it.

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Speaker 2: And if he shouldn't be leading or on like he

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Speaker 2: for him. I think I wouldn't be waiting. I'd still

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Speaker 1: You start, you need to start the jealousy game. That's

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Speaker 1: the game to get them back. Not that I'm going

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Speaker 1: You've got to start playing the field. Look like you're

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Speaker 2: Girl, will The test will be if he sees her

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Speaker 1: Because that sometimes when you actually know you care, when

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Speaker 2: Well, it's normally the case, isn't it if they're on there.

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Speaker 2: If you've got nobody that ain't seem to care. As

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Speaker 2: soon as you get someone like, you start caring. So

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Speaker 2: it's weird, but that's human nature. It's all fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Really, Wishing Jessica all the best. Because it sounds like difficult, Jessica,

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Speaker 1: you're stuffed moving on? Hi, doctor X. My boyfriend has

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Speaker 1: become friends with a new girl at work. I would

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Speaker 1: hate for him to tell me not to have male friends.

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Speaker 1: So I have tried to be cool about the new relationship. However,

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Speaker 1: I can't help but feel jealous and a little suspicious

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Speaker 2: Laura from Sydney, So Laura's her boyfriend is hanging out

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Speaker 2: with friends a girl work after ours?

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Speaker 1: Is that what's I think that's?

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Speaker 2: She's saying, yeah, well, yeah, well that's that's a tough

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Speaker 2: it if they're just hanging out, or depends what the

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Speaker 2: situation is again, like she waited? Is a girlfriend waiting

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Speaker 2: at home for him while he's out with this other girl?

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Speaker 3: I mean, so she hot? Is she hot? Now? She's hot?

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Speaker 2: You've got a problem. You know you've got a problem.

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Speaker 2: But should she set some boundaries?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should set a few boundaries without

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Speaker 3: I think that that will.

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Speaker 2: Scare him away from by sending those sort of boundaries.

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Speaker 2: Trust him enough to think that. You know, it's only

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Speaker 2: their only friends, and we all have friends at work

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Speaker 2: So that's just the way it is. So I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of trusts involved here firstly, and boundaries. Well,

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Speaker 2: wants to push it, and then you might want to

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, if this girl is after your boyfriend, Laura,

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Speaker 1: likes it. Moving on to the next question, how soon

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Speaker 1: is too soon to move on from a relationship?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: How long is a piece of string? Some people can

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Speaker 3: And some need a long time.

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Speaker 2: And the sooner you can move on is the better,

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Speaker 2: because it's not a nice feeling, especially if you've been dumped.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's different if you've dumped that person, obviously you

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Speaker 2: can move on a lot quicker. But if you've been dumped,

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the sooner you can move on, and

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Speaker 2: then it's easier said than done, because it's the worst

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Speaker 3: And it's funny.

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Speaker 2: No matter what your friends, your best friends, your close friends,

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Speaker 2: whatever advice they give you, which all makes sense, you

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Speaker 2: still don't listen. You know, it goes in one ear

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Speaker 1: Because the general rule of thumb is that however long

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Speaker 1: you went out with someone, you should take half that

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Speaker 1: time to get over them. That's what I was told.

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Speaker 3: No, that's bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Never heard of that before, to be honest, But I

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Speaker 2: just think if you're strong enough to move on, do

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Speaker 3: But that's not that easy.

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Speaker 1: It also depends if you're checked out of that relationship.

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Speaker 1: So I know a lot of people stay in bad

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Speaker 1: relationships that they might have in their head gone, oh,

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Speaker 1: this has got to end soon, and I'm just waiting

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're right, some relationship and before they end, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know you're already like a year before they're finished,

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Speaker 2: and they've just hung around. Yeah, because you get used

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Speaker 1: See. The final question is from doctor X. Doctor X

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Speaker 1: is from Stacy from Brisbane and she's asked, Dear doctor X,

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Speaker 1: a guy I'm dating has asked me to send through

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Speaker 1: a nude photo. What should I do?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Stacy? Stacy.

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Speaker 2: If he's a football I wouldn't do it because that

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Speaker 2: anything wrong with it. If it's private, just between you

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Speaker 2: on dangerous territory here if you haven't known him very long,

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Speaker 2: or you know you don't want.

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Speaker 3: Him to share it with his mates.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you trust him and you've been with

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Speaker 3: But that's the only reason I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what When I used to work at

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Speaker 1: what is this. I didn't reply because I was on

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Speaker 1: my well I wouldn't. I just left it because I

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Speaker 1: she resent the photo, so I had to write back.

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Speaker 1: I said, I think you've got the wrong number. And

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Speaker 1: then she's like, oh, I'm so sorry, babe, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Well I was like, how embarrassing. At least get the

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Speaker 1: guy's number right. If you can send a nude photo to.

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Speaker 3: Them, well you should have forwarded onto me.

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Speaker 1: I know doctor X is saying, you know, go ahead

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Speaker 1: if you want it, But I think people also have

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Speaker 1: to be wary that there's a lot of apps that

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Speaker 1: can't be trusted, like Snapchat or Instagram or I don't

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Speaker 1: know that you know, even eye cloud.

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Speaker 2: But what about if it's just send on message that's

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Speaker 2: only between you and message.

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Speaker 1: I know you still got to worry that this person

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Speaker 1: might take the photo and use it somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly, That's what I was saying.

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Speaker 2: If it depends how long you've been Look, if you've

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Speaker 2: been going this out with this guy for five years,

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Speaker 2: well it's you know obviously you know him pretty well.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think if it's only between you two,

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Speaker 2: I see it the problem.

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Speaker 1: I personally would never do that. I've watched too many

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Speaker 2: that cheating? Well, kind of it is, but it isn't

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Speaker 3: An emotional give me more information.

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Speaker 3: Is that worse than actually having sex. To you me,

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Speaker 2: It all depends how long it goes for and if

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Speaker 1: Next question, why do guys seem to hate commitment?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if guys hate commitment. I think you only

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Speaker 1: So doctor X, do men really prefer women with no makeup?

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Speaker 2: mean I don't mind. I think it's not if girls

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Speaker 1: We're loving your honesty, Eggs. What are some signs that

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Speaker 3: That a guy really likes the girl touching. There's one

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Speaker 2: Mind you, I'm of Mediterranean background, so we do a

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Speaker 3: Don't give your identity away. Okay, I'm you're a dink.

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Speaker 1: You die.

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Speaker 2: I think touching and just looking at that person in

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Speaker 1: Don't we just got content.

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Speaker 3: I know, we just got guy contacting.

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Speaker 2: And I look at all of you out there, you go,

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Speaker 3: I think I think you can.

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Speaker 2: You can tell the vibe again, you know, with a

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. I don't even know what that actually

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