Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Fromes.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 3: Flex and Frooms on cater You know when you have
Speaker 3: those moments in your home where if anyone caught me
Speaker 3: doing this, I don't want to be seen like this.
Speaker 3: I got home from the gym and I was like,
Speaker 3: I want something sweet, So I was huddled at my freezer,
Speaker 3: nibbling at what do you call those life savers?
Speaker 4: No, my freezer, Sorry, but I was at the fridge,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, the life savers were in the freezer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the weirdest shit I've ever heard.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Lifesaver ice blocks? I'm called
Speaker 4: life savers?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought you meant the actual just the lolly version
Speaker 1: in the freezer.
Speaker 4: The ice block.
Speaker 3: But it was too cold for me to like, Oh.
Speaker 1: Who can do the highball thing? We unchoked?
Speaker 4: I'm first aid qualified, babes. Of course you are feel
Speaker 4: free to get injured, Brooks presence.
Speaker 1: I was watching it. Sorry, Dinant, drop your stay. I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna say. I went to speaking duck the
Speaker 1: other night and they're both on the decks and they
Speaker 1: like jump up and down on the decks and it
Speaker 1: like my housemate is a lifesaver, okay. And she was like,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're doing first aid and I couldn't
Speaker 1: did it like it literally boom boom boom.
Speaker 4: But on the decks do you document?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why do you say it like that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I did, but I didn't put it anywhere because I
Speaker 1: already Yeah, I didn't really capture it quite well.
Speaker 4: I was in the.
Speaker 1: Special privileges.
Speaker 3: Why not.
Speaker 1: Maybe a bit of a late minute yeah, last minute invite.
Speaker 1: But I'll take your voice, okay, for all I've done
Speaker 1: for the community, here's the party. Frou meno boom mmmy
Speaker 1: les mom, you're listening to flex and rooms on kata.
Speaker 1: I think we can all be a bit more empathetic
Speaker 1: and caring in this sick, sad world. Perhaps some of
Speaker 1: us have forgotten that peace of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 1: We need to be nice to each other. Let's heal
Speaker 1: the world together. I came across this TikTok from a
Speaker 1: music called Yes Garrett at Yes Garrett, and his TikTok
Speaker 1: made me stop in my tracks and reconsider the way
Speaker 1: that I deal with and treat spiders. Play it Brokee,
Speaker 1: thanks for this question.
Speaker 2: So by spiritual practice. I mean something that moves you
Speaker 2: from wherever you are into greater compassion, piece and presence.
Speaker 2: And this little movement of thought with the spider fits that,
Speaker 2: because you're moving from indifference or more honestly, fear into compassion,
Speaker 2: and you're moving from the past or future into the present.
Speaker 2: This fits with what in Buddhism is called meta meditation,
Speaker 2: which is a practice of compassion where you start with
Speaker 2: yourself and move outward and ever expanding layers like ripples.
Speaker 2: So you hold yourself in compassion, then you hold in
Speaker 2: compassion someone that you love than an acquaintance, than a stranger,
Speaker 2: than someone that you hate have resentment for, and then
Speaker 2: all humans, plants, and animals.
Speaker 1: It goes on.
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to mention that makes this
Speaker 2: a practice is that it's not that the feelings of
Speaker 2: compassion come first and then you act. It's that you
Speaker 2: start to act and then the feelings of compassion come up.
Speaker 1: Wow. My initial thoughts when watching this TikTok was yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually get it. It's like how I started to
Speaker 1: be more mindful about my recycling journey. I've got a
Speaker 1: Fogo food and organic waste bin. I fill it up
Speaker 1: every week, and then I go and put it into
Speaker 1: the communal How do I say, combos bin that I
Speaker 1: seem to be the only person in the twelve part
Speaker 1: apartment block that is using this bin. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: That actually sounds like shade, doesn't it? When I really
Speaker 1: do need to have compassion for the other residents. It
Speaker 1: actually is a bit of a slog creating this smelly
Speaker 1: bin in your kitchen to then take out. But I
Speaker 1: will say since entering this journey of recycling, I have
Speaker 1: become a little bit more compassionate generally, and it's made
Speaker 1: me slow down and actually like sit and sift through
Speaker 1: my bin. Sift through my recycling bin, go down, take
Speaker 1: it out, and it gives me a little sprite in
Speaker 1: my step knowing that I'm contributing in a positive way.
Speaker 1: Will it make a difference? Yeah, to be seen, very
Speaker 1: small percentage of recycling gets recycled apparently, But I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to be making a positive difference in my mind.
Speaker 1: Do you relate to this at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just happy to hear you speak.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, how else did.
Speaker 4: That resonate with you? Only with recycling?
Speaker 1: I get it with small animals, but it where's a
Speaker 1: spider come in, Like, for example, if there's a spider
Speaker 1: in my shower. I did Like the other day, I
Speaker 1: was washing my face in the basin and there was
Speaker 1: a little fly that had like obviously been a little
Speaker 1: bit wet before, so it struggling to get out. And
Speaker 1: it was a real moment of like, I want to
Speaker 1: wash my face and I want to get out of here.
Speaker 1: I have a decision. Do I drown a little bug
Speaker 1: or do I help it out? That's going to take
Speaker 1: maybe a middle or two and I'm going to get
Speaker 1: like the bug juice on my hands. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I did in that moment.
Speaker 3: I can't actually confirm nor deny, but I had the thought,
Speaker 3: and the thought is what counts, and usually there should
Speaker 3: be a corresponding action.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like this.
Speaker 3: I feel like if I'm going to implement this, it's
Speaker 3: not going to be on the small thing, it's going
Speaker 3: to be all the big things, such as like I
Speaker 3: feel like where I can be really good at being
Speaker 3: compassionate in ways people don't expect is that I am opinionated,
Speaker 3: but I'm not that judging and I give people the
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt a lot until they cook it,
Speaker 3: And I think what I struggle with is that rebuilding
Speaker 3: after I've given some of the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3: Like I really struggle with compassion there because I don't
Speaker 3: think that people recognize and none of us do.
Speaker 4: None of us know the lengths that people have to.
Speaker 3: Go through to deal with us, right, Like, how accommodating
Speaker 3: somebody else has to be to deal with us, How
Speaker 3: agreeable they need to be, how open minded they need
Speaker 3: to be, how comforting they need to be, how reassuring.
Speaker 3: We just assume that we're just pleasant people to deal
Speaker 3: with and everybody else is terrible. But I think in
Speaker 3: a lot of instances where you build relationships with people,
Speaker 3: whether it's professional, familiar, or romantic whatever, and you're like,
Speaker 3: this is really hard and I'm trying, and I'm trying,
Speaker 3: and I'm trying, and I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I want to try anymore, and now I'm bitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's where I'm like, oh, so much works for
Speaker 3: me to do that, and I can't be bothered. But
Speaker 3: I would rather start working on that than saving a bug. Wow,
Speaker 3: the bug gotta die.
Speaker 4: The bug gotta die. So I'm not beefing eternally with people.
Speaker 1: I like the idea though, that compassion breeds compassion, and
Speaker 1: that you don't have to feel compassion for the bug
Speaker 1: to start the journey of becoming more compassionate. Full stop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true, flex and frooms.
Speaker 1: That't a best What did you I have come across
Speaker 1: an article on the internet which is peaked my interest
Speaker 1: for multiple reasons. I want to speak it a lot
Speaker 1: today about dating. Seems to come up a bit on
Speaker 1: the show. Obviously it's my brain by requests and demand.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course there's no personal interest. And I
Speaker 1: read this article by the cut. The title is ghosted
Speaker 1: by an app. Dating apps gave us new paths towards love,
Speaker 1: but more and more band users think they've also given
Speaker 1: us new channels for revenge user when you're deleted off
Speaker 1: the app by the app, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You're scaring an article for the first time, she read
Speaker 4: a headline. She read a by a line.
Speaker 1: So apparently certain people are getting kicked off hinge and
Speaker 1: the like, and they're trying to contest why that is.
Speaker 1: And they believe that there've been the victims of a
Speaker 1: revenge report.
Speaker 4: Oh, a great phrase, revenge reports. I'm sure that exists.
Speaker 1: And they're saying that you know, I've obviously dated multiple
Speaker 1: people for the platform. I've broken up with them, I've
Speaker 1: hurt their feelings, They've reported me. And it's a very
Speaker 1: tricky gray area because obviously some people need to be
Speaker 1: taken off the app for behaviors, But what happens when
Speaker 1: you've just pissed off one too many people and they've
Speaker 1: gathered together, they've banned together to dismantle your ability to
Speaker 1: go onto the app.
Speaker 3: We need the AI jury, yeah, but also maybe we
Speaker 3: need a function not like previously dated, because that would
Speaker 3: be cooked. Imagine if you went on someone's profile there's
Speaker 3: like a previously dated section of blurred out images and
Speaker 3: you get like taps unlock, you pay thirty five dollars
Speaker 3: one person, but something.
Speaker 4: Like you know on LinkedIn.
Speaker 3: I don't use it often, but you can endorse people
Speaker 3: for things. Perhaps introducing that kind of function when you
Speaker 3: can endorse someone and say like, yeah, that was a
Speaker 3: good conversation, that was a good date, and then we
Speaker 3: can balance the scalust a little bit.
Speaker 4: Or alternatively, if they got a.
Speaker 1: Little strike, I reckon bring in a star system like Uber.
Speaker 1: Oh that means you're not gonna like be mean to
Speaker 1: people given them.
Speaker 3: Maybe you might just be like, muddy, is the process right?
Speaker 3: Because uber like before we found out what the stars
Speaker 3: actually met, people were flippant.
Speaker 4: Fu.
Speaker 3: You know, you didn't like the way the car looked
Speaker 3: it was a one star. The car was silver one star.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Look, our producer Brookie apparently has actually been banned. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us a storybook?
Speaker 5: So I was banned on Tinder and it was for
Speaker 5: making a joint account with my best friend.
Speaker 1: Called Dick and Daddy.
Speaker 5: Oh so it's giving absolute nonsense.
Speaker 4: Of course I's a fight for you. But do you
Speaker 4: know what the interesting thing is?
Speaker 5: Now that I'm single again and I've tried to make
Speaker 5: an account, I put in my mobile number and it's
Speaker 5: coming up that I'm still banned. So every time I
Speaker 5: try to make a new account, I'm currently using one
Speaker 5: of my friend's numbers.
Speaker 1: Babe, shout out to your friend. Same thing happened happened
Speaker 1: with me with de Pop, I'm banned off dat.
Speaker 4: She's a circular economy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, be careful what you do on an app
Speaker 1: and read the terms and conditions.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a threat as well, you know, like
Speaker 3: there's no criteria for banning or reporting someone. You could
Speaker 3: just see your ex you want to mess with their day,
Speaker 3: and then report them and it's game over.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what to heed, but just know
Speaker 4: it's a trend that's popping off.
Speaker 1: Just be wary. This is flex and froomes.
Speaker 3: Are we being punished for trying to improve our consumption habits?
Speaker 3: It's the question we're answering today on flex and frooms. Now,
Speaker 3: we could talk in a thousand different ways about overconsumption
Speaker 3: and it's effecting the environment, but realistically we're just here to.
Speaker 4: Get to just the tip of these topics. Now.
Speaker 3: I saw this TikTok by this creator called Sweet like
Speaker 3: underscore Honey with three wires, who was talking about how
Speaker 3: their account on Asos got banned out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of me.
Speaker 3: When we find out the reason why their account actually
Speaker 3: got banned, I think we're gonna be very confused.
Speaker 4: Or are we listen to this?
Speaker 6: This is a message for a sauce. I literally woke
Speaker 6: up this morning and tried to get into my asous
Speaker 6: account and I couldn't. It had been blocked due to
Speaker 6: suspicious activity. So I actually thought someone's been on my
Speaker 6: account and ordering stuff and basically I went on the
Speaker 6: chat and everything like that, and they basically said that
Speaker 6: they're going to escalate it. And I've just been found
Speaker 6: out that my Asos account has been blocked, but absolutely
Speaker 6: no reason at all, just no reason. They couldn't offer
Speaker 6: me any information. Rang heead office. They told me to
Speaker 6: get back in touch on live chat with a manager.
Speaker 6: Got in touch with a manager and they basically told
Speaker 6: me they'd blocked my account because I'd returned too many items.
Speaker 6: So I return items in pristine condition, like I will
Speaker 6: literally try it on and if it doesn't suit me,
Speaker 6: I will send it back. And I don't do that
Speaker 6: all the time. I literally do that as and when
Speaker 6: like a normal person does. Anyway, there is no way
Speaker 6: to get in touch with any by phone or anything else.
Speaker 6: The managers basically said, the specialist team has made the decision.
Speaker 6: You can't speak to the specialist team. They're just going
Speaker 6: around blocking accounts where they feel that people have made
Speaker 6: too many returns. I pay for premier delivery and I've
Speaker 6: been an Asos customer for years.
Speaker 3: In summary, girl gets account blocked on Asos for having
Speaker 3: returned too many items. Now I understand that when the
Speaker 3: online shopping craze got to this maximum point of saturation.
Speaker 3: A lot of us have to recommend this idea that
Speaker 3: it's someone to have to buy someone for cheap and
Speaker 3: then just donate it if it doesn't work out for us,
Speaker 3: that there are there is a way to return it.
Speaker 3: And do you know what happens when things get returned.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't Some companies burn them, some companies put them
Speaker 3: in tkmax, TJ max.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that. But here's the thing, right, I can
Speaker 4: see both perspectives.
Speaker 3: From the corporations perspective, it might look like she's doing
Speaker 3: the classic buy it where return it win win, you
Speaker 3: get your outfit, picky, you save a bit of money,
Speaker 3: everybody wins. And from her perspective, she's thinking, okay, I
Speaker 3: do buy a lot, but because of how much I buy,
Speaker 3: I'm now returning what I'm not wearing so it can
Speaker 3: go on sale again. I don't know how it works,
Speaker 3: or so it avoids ending up in land film in
Speaker 3: this instance. Do you think it was the right approach
Speaker 3: for me? Is she being punished for habits? Or is
Speaker 3: this should there be a wake up call for her?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what happens to the clothes when you
Speaker 1: return them, because I have a feeling maybe they're burnt.
Speaker 1: As you say, I get what it's like. It's annoying.
Speaker 1: I must be annoying when someone returns something. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of admin for said brand.
Speaker 4: But it's an option that they provide exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's why I would shop on aesos is because
Speaker 1: I like to return things because often they don't fit properly.
Speaker 4: And now you're at risk of having your account banned.
Speaker 1: I would hate that.
Speaker 4: Because you use the service they provided.
Speaker 1: And like a sauce, you know you you know when
Speaker 1: you're getting it, like it's got They've got good communications.
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised by this all element. I'm banned off
Speaker 1: deepop and I've escalated this because I accidentally bought something
Speaker 1: off platform. I didn't know that was illegal, but of
Speaker 1: course it is, because that's.
Speaker 3: Not the classic oh here, let me bank transfer you
Speaker 3: literally criminal.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that wasn't allowed. And yeah, I've reached
Speaker 1: out to multiple sources.
Speaker 3: But I have provided an email also no reply, no reply,
Speaker 3: and that's okay. What I will say is I think
Speaker 3: it would be nice to know if we can talk
Speaker 3: to a few Australian retailers, a little iconic, a little
Speaker 3: chowpo maybe a little bit beginning at boutique Princess Polly,
Speaker 3: what do you do with the returns?
Speaker 1: Yeah, please get in touch. You're listening to flex and
Speaker 1: Rooms on kater as a do I Say follower told
Speaker 1: me the other day after posting a video inside my
Speaker 1: house I am living in Scholar.
Speaker 3: The Sydney and also a comment from someone who likes you.
Speaker 3: I know it just has to stop.
Speaker 1: The boundaries are very unclear and yeah, as we know,
Speaker 1: there is a rental crisis. Am I letting it affects me? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a regular person. I do regular person things and
Speaker 1: if that includes having a house without a balcony in
Speaker 1: a high density suburb near the beach, I'm living in
Speaker 1: the heartends and suffer.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just like you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the other day I was posting about bins
Speaker 1: on my story. I was talking about how I didn't
Speaker 1: think my apartment had a compost bin.
Speaker 4: I remember this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I then went into the backyard for the first time
Speaker 1: ever and I saw there was a compost bin. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've been living in the house for a few months.
Speaker 1: I put the compost spin on my story, right. And
Speaker 1: then a chick messages me and says, I live in
Speaker 1: that same apartment.
Speaker 4: No, this is already too close to home.
Speaker 1: I hate there, And I said, turns out we live
Speaker 1: opposite each other across the hall. I haven't once seen her.
Speaker 1: The apartment has about.
Speaker 3: She follows you like she knows frooms loves in my
Speaker 3: building exactly.
Speaker 1: I think it dawned on her that I live in
Speaker 1: the building because we hadn't seen each other. So she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's in Squalor mansion.
Speaker 3: She's a resident of Squall Capital, paying one grubby growth.
Speaker 4: If you turn right.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm potentially putting our neighborly arrangement into disrepute. It
Speaker 1: is sorry, but unfortunately this is what happens when you
Speaker 1: have a radio show. I get home the other night
Speaker 1: at eleven pm, I had been out with friends, opened
Speaker 1: my apartment and not to dock myself, but the apartment
Speaker 1: stairs are carpeted, right, it's giving nineteen seventies. The carpet
Speaker 1: stings of cigarettes at the best ways I always always
Speaker 1: I walk in, I think, oh, that smells a little
Speaker 1: a little more than usual, right, And I immediately pinned
Speaker 1: it on one of the apartments below.
Speaker 4: Immediately there's just immediately I found the culprit.
Speaker 1: There's an apartment in my block that sometimes gives off
Speaker 1: a weird vibe, and I thought maybe they've been cooking
Speaker 1: something strange. It then dawned on me perhaps somebody has died.
Speaker 1: That is the level of logical conclusion, the level of
Speaker 1: stench coming from this apartment block. Then I think, maybe
Speaker 1: someone's died and they've chopped them up and put them
Speaker 1: into a pot and they're boiling them, and that is
Speaker 1: the scent. I continue up the stairs.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's like hot.
Speaker 1: It was a hot, rancid stench. And I thought of myself,
Speaker 1: is this what human bodies smell like? Because I've heard
Speaker 1: that there's a smell that here. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: giving that. I then walk up to my level and
Speaker 1: I do a little cursory scam.
Speaker 3: What do I see on the floor? A bin bag
Speaker 3: full of rubbish? Is a plastic bin bag? Is this
Speaker 3: like a repurposed grocery store bin bag? Is it a
Speaker 3: fifty two liter black one with the yellow tie straps?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 1: This is a fifty two liter okay, but not black?
Speaker 1: So I can see through it. It's a rancid mess.
Speaker 1: This thing is full and it seems almost a bit wet.
Speaker 1: It is outside their door at eleven PM on a Saturday. Okay,
Speaker 1: I cannot actually properly describe the smell. It was so
Speaker 1: bad that it was permeating down two levels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they got it out of their apartment, and
Speaker 3: then I can't go to the bin right now.
Speaker 4: But I can't have the smell in my house.
Speaker 1: And it was a hot day. It's really hot. I
Speaker 1: walk into my apartment. Why can I still smell it?
Speaker 4: And it's glued onto the walls. Then you can't wash
Speaker 4: that off.
Speaker 1: In that moment, the frustration that I felt was too
Speaker 1: was like offset by the fact that I have a
Speaker 1: relationship with this one on the internet parasocially. Parasocially, I
Speaker 1: actually don't know. I couldn't tell you what she looks like.
Speaker 1: But she's a follower, so she's a friend of mine. Okay,
Speaker 1: potentially I'm going to lose the follow with this story.
Speaker 1: But literally, so I'm thinking, oh my god, like that
Speaker 1: was crazy. Obviously maybe that no, okay, but I just
Speaker 1: thought that's super scary. Anyway, Why do I get a
Speaker 1: message from my housemate right now. It is a photo
Speaker 1: of their rubbish yet again outside the door.
Speaker 4: Well this is a bit better though. It looks like
Speaker 4: is this it's a box of like Hello Fresh, just
Speaker 4: a box.
Speaker 1: But my housemate says, so smelly, sad face smelly. So
Speaker 1: there's something in the bin that they've put outside. What's
Speaker 1: going on? Guys? Respectfully, we all living in an apartment.
Speaker 1: Considered taking the bin out and just putting it on
Speaker 1: the doorstep before you go out the next day. I've
Speaker 1: considered that. Okay, of course, maybe I've done it in
Speaker 1: apartment that is an open air block with tiles. I
Speaker 1: would never do it in a carpeted, closed in environment.
Speaker 1: What do I do?
Speaker 3: I damn stressful feeling violated in your own home because
Speaker 3: I can imagine from their perspective they pay rent to
Speaker 3: be there as well, and I'm sure the rent covers
Speaker 3: a few of those common areas. Yeah, so if it
Speaker 3: is their prerogative to leave their bins there for twelve
Speaker 3: hours and move them, then perhaps it is. I think
Speaker 3: that what can happen if you start to put a
Speaker 3: lot of jurisdiction around what they can and can't do,
Speaker 3: You get yourself a nipicky neighbor facts and you do
Speaker 3: you want that vibe?
Speaker 4: I don't think you want that vibabe.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to bring the Karen into the
Speaker 1: home environment.
Speaker 4: So I'm sorry that's happening to you. That's so frustrated.
Speaker 1: Rip my nose and the noses of my fellow tenants.
Speaker 4: Leave a note, hey, babe.
Speaker 1: I mean if I wasn't doing this segment, I'd leave
Speaker 1: a note then I just different, like writing chicken scratch
Speaker 1: put her off the scent. But yeah, we'll see. Maybe
Speaker 1: you should listen to this and change your ways. Either way,
Speaker 1: love having you Their women redacted, but yeah, common courtesy.
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