1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Outspoken, the podcast for strong women with a 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: passion for pushing the boundaries. I'm Sophie Torber, a journalist 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: turned public relations expert, and I'm Amy Torber, a former 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: TV reporter and content creator. We are identical triplet sisters 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: who made the bold decision to quit our jobs and 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: launch our very own public relations business. We'll tackle the 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: real issues facing women today as well as the fun 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: stuff from delving into the influencer world, dissecting reality TV, 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: and giving you the tools to find your feet in 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: the workplace and business world. We're here to help you 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: find your voice and talk about the issues that matter. 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for our first podcast. 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm Amy and we wanted to start the show today 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: with what we think is a really important topic and 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: something that will hopefully help young women everywhere. So a 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: number of years ago, Sophie and I both experienced some 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: of our darkest days. We had both lost our dream jobs, 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: a career that we'd worked so hard for, and we 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: came to a crossroad really where we either had to 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: try and establish new goals and dreams or really we 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: would have been left behind. So today's topic is about 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: rising from the Ashes and How to Overcome Your Darkest Days. Now, 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: for legal reasons, we would like to point out that 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: the clips are about to play our opinions and views 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: expressed by the ABC and Network ten. Sadly, Amy isn't 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: allowed to discuss specific details, but it is hoped her 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: story will inspire other women to speak out. 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: Last night, the ABC broadcast audio of a Channel seven 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: cadet journalist being stood down after accusing an older male 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: colleague of sexual harassment. 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: Every Things started going downhill after Amy Lodge to sexual 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: harassment complain about an older male colleague in twenty sixteen, 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: alleging he made a series of disparaging comments about her appearance, 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: marital status and called. 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 4: Her a lesbian. Eleven days later, she was marched out 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: the door immediately. 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: So how common is it that a sexual harassment claimed 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: backfires on the victim? 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: An extraordinary recording of a human resources meeting when the 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: reporter was suspended has had an enormous reaction from viewers. 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 2: They were disgusted at the network's treatment of the young woman. 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: Throughout the meeting, Amy was denied access to a support person, 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: so to protect herself, she decided to record the meeting while. 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: You are responding to these allegations. We are going to 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: relieve you from GEP. Is this actually through absolutely, I've 46 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: read the allegation. So do I have to leave now? 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: Yes? 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I feel like this is humiliating me and for making 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: a complaint in the first place, and it's really disgusting. 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: This is disgusting. 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 5: Amy was treated absolutely appallingly. She's a young woman. This 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 5: was her first experience in the media and the television media. 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 5: The sad thing is often when women speak out against discrimination, 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 5: you went up with a black mark against your name. 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm just feeling very victimized, to be honest, and I haven't. 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 6: I've worked so hard to get this job, and I 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 6: know people are just trying to get rid of me now, 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 6: and it's just really upsetting because I don't really deserve 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 6: any of this. Standing up and having a problem with 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 6: someone calling me a lesbian, it's just ridiculous. 61 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Just to remind you, these are excerpts from the ABC's 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: seven point thirty report the Project and Triple J. For 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: legal reasons, we need to remind you that Channel seven 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: deny the allegations. Obviously, Amy, We've just outlined that you 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: can't talk about specific details, but we thought it was 66 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: important to talk about workplace harassment as a whole and 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: to give young women the tools to fight back. So, 68 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: for those who don't know our story, it happened right 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: on the cusp of the Me too movement, Amy, can 70 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: you tell us a bit about the me too movement 71 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: for those who might not know. So, the me tuo 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: movements started in October twenty seventeen, and basically it was 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: started because of allegations which were made against a Hollywood 74 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: movie mogul called Harvey Weinstein. And basically, these allegations came 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: out that were disgusting about him, and it prompted actress 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Alyssa Milano to tweet something that had happened to her, 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: and she used the hashtag me too. And I think 78 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: what was amazing was this hashtag resonated with so many 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: women around the world, not just actresses, not just people 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: in the media, but everybody. And this me too hashtag 81 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: basically went viral and is now used as a term 82 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: I supposed to talk about sexual harassment, not just against women, 83 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: but against men as well. It's quite crazy because in 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours the hashtag was shared twelve 85 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: million times, So that just shows what a global epidemic. 86 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 7: This really is. 87 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing to see how many people were 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: tweeting about it. I think that's what's so powerful about 89 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: social media these days, that the me too hashtag has 90 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: prompted so many conversations, so many articles that are so 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: vital that I suppose even twenty years ago never would 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: have been discussed. Yes, that's a very good point you make, 93 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: And as we were talking about before, it is an 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: issue that's affecting so many women around the world, particularly 95 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: in Australia. 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 7: A lot of the stories we've heard. 97 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Recently are about women in the media industry who are 98 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: facing this sexual discrimination. Now, for those who who haven't 99 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: worked in the media industry before, amy just how difficult 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: it is it to get your big break. It is 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: extremely difficult to get a break in the media industry, 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: as I'm sure you're aware. I mean, when we went 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: to university, it's about ninety percent of the journalism students 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: are women, so one it's already hard to stand out 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: from the crowd. 106 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 7: There. 107 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: What we faced as well, being triplets who all wanted 108 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: to do journalism, was we became each other's competition. I 109 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: don't think we actually thought about that when we first 110 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: started journalism. But just for an example, when I went 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: for the cadet ship, I had actually worked for three 112 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: years prior in the media to becoming a cadet, and 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: then I had to beat out one hundred or so. 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: I think it was more than one hundred people to 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: actually get my cadet ship position. So you can see 116 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: how popular these positions are. And Amy, we've obviously spoken 117 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: about it in the past, but you had a number 118 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: of women reach out to you saying they'd experienced very 119 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: similar things in the industry. Can you tell us a 120 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: bit about that. Yes, well, I was inundated with emails 121 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: from people following the seven point thirty report, and you know, 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: people had such lovely things to say, which was great 123 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: to read. But also the majority of the emails that 124 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: people sent me were people saying that they'd experienced similar issues. 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: And I did set out to reply to every email 126 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: because it is so hard when you're in that position 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: and you just don't know what to do because you 128 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: really never think that something like that is going to 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: happen to you. 130 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 7: Now we know every isn't going to. 131 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: Be the same, but is there any advice you'd like 132 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: to give some of our listeners who may be going 133 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: through some workplace problems like these. I think the most 134 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: important thing is to have proof, because unfortunately, not everyone 135 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: is going to believe you. And one thing that I 136 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: think is important is if you're in a situation where 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: you feel intimidated and uncomfortable and you are the only 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: person there who can retell your story, then I would 139 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: say hit record on your phone. It's something simple that 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: you can do to protect your rights. I think something 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: that's also important that we both found very helpful is 142 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: making sure that you've got a good support base. This 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: could obviously be your family, people at work. I mean 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: it is important to note as well that you legally, 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: if you are entering into any sort of conversation with 146 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: an HR department, you are allowed to have a support 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: person there. 148 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 7: That is your legal right. 149 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: So a support person is someone who's an older colleague, 150 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: someone who's more experienced that can help you you navigate 151 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: that situation. It's also important to put everything in writing, 152 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: because it's important to have a pay portrayal that backs 153 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: up what you were saying. If you have conversations with people, 154 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: obviously that you're not recording that are just sort of 155 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: verbal chats. It's always good to note in an email, 156 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: just wanted to you know, just wanted to have a 157 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: chat with you about our conversation today, where this was said, 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: this was said. It's just you just need to have 159 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: things noted down. It's also good sometimes to keep a 160 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: diary because that can be used as proof of conversations 161 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: and matters that have taken place. Now this might sound silly, 162 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: but I think it's also very important to be clever 163 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: about who you approach and know who your allies are. Now, 164 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: you might think that some people at work are your friends, 165 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: but you've got to be really careful about who you 166 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: trust because at work, as we're talking about this competitive element, 167 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, particularly in the media industry, 168 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: someone is going to want your job. So some friend 169 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: friends or think that they might get ahead by helping 170 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: somebody else out who's in a power position. Perhaps, so 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: some of these friends might be thinking, well, I really 172 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: like this person's job, I might get advantage from them leaving. 173 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I won't be so nice, maybe I will talk 174 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: to this person. And that's also I think you've raised 175 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: a really important topic, Sophie, especially for young women listening 176 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: to this is that we need to start a new 177 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: culture where we back each other. And I totally get it. 178 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes there are people at work that you don't like, 179 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: regardless of their gender. There might be someone that you 180 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: have an issue with, but I think we need to 181 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: put some of that aside when we're dealing with workplace issues, 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: especially involving women, and realize that we need to start 183 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: backing one another in order for women to be advanced 184 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: into power positions that will help make our working environment 185 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: a safe place to be in. So, you know, if 186 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: you do see a woman who is struggling at work, 187 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: even if you're not friends with them, I think the 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: best advice I can say is try and help them out, 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: ask them so you're okay, And hopefully by doing this, 190 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: it will start a new culture where women back each other, 191 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: women recommend each other for jobs, and it will hopefully 192 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: change some of this awful culture that we're seeing. And 193 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: in saying that, if there's also a male colleague who's struggling, 194 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: help them too. It's not gender base, but a lot 195 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: of the time, the thing that's really sad is that 196 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: you think some women or your allies when an actual fact, 197 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: women can sometimes be just as bad as some of 198 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: these men in these powerful positions. I think, though, when 199 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: we say when I'm talking about helping women out, I 200 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: actually do mean women. I think, of course, help your 201 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: male friends out as well. But I think it's important 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: that even if someone isn't your friend, just women looking 203 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: out for one another is going to help because, whether 204 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: we like it or not, we are still disadvantaged in 205 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: the workplace. We don't receive the same pay as men, 206 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: We still earn so much less, and when there's issues 207 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: happening in the workplace, we need women on the board 208 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: to help protect women's rights because I'm sorry, but some 209 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: issues that have been happening around the world would not 210 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: happen if there was a woman on some of these boards. 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Saying that is wrong. Definitely, definitely. And another important point 212 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of younger employees should also 213 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: be across is don't think that your work email is private. 214 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Your words can be taken out of context at any moment. Yeah, 215 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: don't write anything that you wouldn't want anyone else to read. 216 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: You might think that you're having a really funny conversation, 217 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: but as you said, Sophie, anything can be taken out 218 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: of context, regardless of whether it's a joke. So just 219 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: be mindful that in a lot of companies they do 220 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: read people's emails. So hopefully there's some worthwhile tips there 221 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: that people can implement if they're facing some issues in 222 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the workplace. Going forward, Amy, obviously that was your dream 223 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: job that you lost. How do you go from being 224 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: a television reporter to basically being unemployable? It is extremely 225 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: difficult because everyone will know that when you've worked so 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: hard to get to a position you have your dreams 227 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: in place, it is very hard to re establish what 228 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: your new dreams are and what your aspirations are. I 229 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: think for me, it did feel like my world had ended, 230 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: and it was so difficult to even know what to 231 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: do because unfortunately, when you do, you know, have legal 232 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: issues with a big media company, it do you do 233 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: struggle to get jobs elsewhere, and especially in the same 234 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: position that you were, because I think a lot of 235 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: people think that you were now a troublemaker. And what 236 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: is good is we are seeing there's a lot of 237 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: other mediums that people can get into, say podcasts, YouTube, 238 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: things like that, But I wasn't interested in any of 239 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: that at the time, I just wanted my job back. 240 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to do my job because that's what 241 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: I loved. And I think it's safe in saying I 242 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: felt the same way, because a lot of your identity 243 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: is rolled up in your job. You know. Ever since 244 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: we were kids, we wanted to be journalists and TV reporter. 245 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: And if that's your end goal and you finally achieved 246 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: it and then that comes crumbling down, a lot of 247 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: your identity is gone. Oh definitely. I think the hard 248 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: thing is, though, when you're in that position, you do 249 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: need money to survive. So I know with Sophie, she 250 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: had to go off and get a job in pr 251 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: which is something that you it wasn't really your dream 252 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: job at that time. No, and I started a job 253 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: as an online content producer with a radio station, and 254 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: at first I was just writing articles about shows like 255 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: The Bachelor and Married at first, sit at home and 256 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: going from working in a busy newsroom to working by 257 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: yourself when you don't even know what your next career 258 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: move is is really hard. Well for me, anyone in Adelaide, 259 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: if they hear the word Heinley Street will know exactly 260 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: what type of street it is. If you're in Sydney. 261 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: It's quite similar to King's Cross. 262 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 8: Now. 263 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: That was the location of my off, my new office, 264 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: and quite often I would be walking into work on 265 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: this disgusting dirty nightclub stroup into the PR firm I 266 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: was working out at the time, and just think. 267 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 7: How did I get here? Like, it was a really 268 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 7: tough time. 269 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I think the thing though, that helped us get through 270 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: this tough time was re establishing goals. And I know 271 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: before Sophie started work, I remember mentioning to you, I 272 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: was like, well PR, I mean, we could do PR. 273 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: But I know there was a lot of hesitation because 274 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: it's really scary to go out on your own and 275 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: to invest money into something like that and your time 276 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: and just to take the leap of faith. But it 277 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: was something that always stuck with us. And as I said, 278 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: I went to work at a radio station and while 279 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: the people were lovely, it just wasn't my thing. I 280 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: wasn't passionate about it. And I thought, I think we 281 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: both reestablished our goals to think, well, if I can't 282 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: do what I considered my dream job, do you know 283 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: what else I dream of doing? Being my own boss, 284 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: dictating my own future. You know, not letting somebody else 285 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: have such a hold over me and what my career 286 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: is potentially based on what I look like, who what 287 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I stand up for. So I think that we kind 288 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: of took back some of the power when we decided 289 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: to launch the pr Bible. And we don't want to 290 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: make out like it's very easy. It was extremely difficult. 291 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the first year of owning a business, you're 292 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: basically living off your savings. You're not going to immediately 293 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: leave your jobs and have a huge database of clients. 294 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: So I think that something that's really important if you 295 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: are going to start your own business is making sure 296 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: that you have enough, say you have enough money to 297 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: keep you going for that year. It also needs to 298 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: be a calculated risk, so we made sure that we 299 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: did have potential clients lined up so that we weren't 300 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: going to be going hungry, we weren't going to not 301 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: be able to pay rent. And I think that's also 302 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I think that's such a good tip for anybody out 303 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: there who is looking to start a new business, is 304 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: that you need to wait until you're in a position 305 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: where you can do so. So if you mentioned that 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: it is helpful to have savings, and we didn't have 307 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: huge amounts of savings. There were just modest savings that 308 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: we'd made throughout working in our prospective careers. 309 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 7: And you do the calculations. 310 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Okay, these savings are going to allow me to pay 311 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: rent for the next twelve months. These savings are going 312 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: to allow me to eat. You know, you have to 313 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: have It has to be a calculated risk. You can't 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I want to run my own business, 315 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm quitting my job and I'm just going to go 316 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: for it. 317 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, that won't work on most occasions. 318 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: No, it won't. But I think it's also important to 319 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: remember that sometimes while it's a calculated risk, you do 320 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: have to actually go go. I'm just making the leap 321 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: of faith. I'm gonna do it because when you sit 322 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: around talking about you know, there's lots of people you 323 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: sit around talk and you have your best friend you 324 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: talk about imagine if we had this business. Sometimes you 325 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: just have to do it. And you know what I 326 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: knew at the time, Well, if it doesn't work out, 327 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: there's other job opportunities we can get. But thankfully, it's 328 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: been the best decision that we've ever made. It has 329 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: been a blessing in disguise because we've never been so 330 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: happy before. 331 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 7: You know, We've got the. 332 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Freedom to create a future for ourselves. That's exciting. 333 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 334 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: And as I said, and you're dictating your future. You're 335 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: not waiting for your boss to give you your pay rise. 336 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: You dictate what you earn because you're the one setting 337 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: out and getting that work in. And just wrapping up 338 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: this topic, it has been two years since the Me 339 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: too movement erupted. I mean, what is your opinion on 340 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: how it's evolving, a lot of people have asked me 341 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: my opinion on it, on the Me too movement, And 342 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of criticism in recent times 343 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: about the Me too movement. A lot of people have 344 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: come out and said that it's led to false allegations 345 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: or trial by media in some cases. I just think 346 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: that that's laughable. I want to see the stats though, 347 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: apparently of the you know, women that are coming forward 348 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: or men for that matter, that are apparently making these 349 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: false allegations, because I can tell you it does not 350 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: help your career to make an allegation of sexual harassment. 351 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: It really only hinders it. And I know that there 352 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: might be some cases where you know, it could be 353 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: true that someone is coming out for revenge, but I 354 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: think that's a very small percentage. We need to look 355 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: at the bigger picture and the women that it is 356 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: actual and men for that matter, that are actually being 357 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: helped by this. And we also need to stop this 358 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: victim blaming. How is anyone going to feel comfortable and 359 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: confident to come out and make a real allegation about 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: something when so much victim blaming is going on. That 361 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: is completely right, and I think what the Me Too 362 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: movement has done is send an important message to men 363 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: in positions of power that they cannot set their own 364 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: rules and their actions do have consequences. So, in my opinion, 365 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: any movement that is helping women take a stand and 366 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: say hey, I'm not putting up with this anymore, it 367 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: has to be good. 368 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 7: Let's move on to the power of the unfollowed. 369 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: In the celebrity world, a click of the unfollowed button 370 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: can create waves, start rumors of relationship breakdowns and friendship splits. 371 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: Yet in the real world, it can be seen as 372 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: pathetic or immature to get upset about a friend or 373 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: a quaintance ending that social media connection. As much as 374 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: we hate to admit it, an unfollowed can leave a 375 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: sinking feeling in your stomach. Psychologists say a friend on 376 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: following you online can lead to feelings of self doubt 377 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: and insecurity. Amy, do you think that unfollowing someone can 378 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: be a passive aggressive power play. I hate to admit it, 379 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: but it is offensive when someone unfollows you, and it 380 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: sounds so petty. I mean, people who haven't grown up 381 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: with the so in the era of social media would 382 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: think that is so pathetic, But these days it is 383 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: a big fu to unfollow somebody. 384 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 7: I totally agree. 385 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: I definitely think that there can be spiteful unfollows, which 386 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: are done to intentionally bruise another person's ego. So, for instance, 387 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: this person wants you to notice that their username is 388 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: missing from their followers list and react, and usually people 389 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: react in one of two ways. So I'm can I 390 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: just say it's hilarious because I feel like there's a 391 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a backstory to this. I know that 392 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: you have been unfollowed recently by some people and in 393 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: this topic, Can I just say I was on holiday 394 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: in Europe and I got this. I think it was 395 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: a Facebook message from you late at night who was 396 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: just livid that a group of people had unfollowed you, 397 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: And I know you don't care about the number of 398 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: followers that you have at all. It was more about 399 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: it just felt quite personal, didn't it. It definitely feels personal. 400 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think most of the time, as others 401 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: would experience, sometimes you just notice that someone hasn't liked 402 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: your photo for a while or engage with you. Well, 403 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: that's what I do. And yes, this one evening, I 404 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: noticed that someone I used to work with had unfollowed 405 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: me and kept following other people at our workplace that 406 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: she apparently had issues with. 407 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 7: So it just it did. 408 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: It led to this downward spiral of me then wanting 409 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: to know who else had unfollowed me. And I really 410 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: think in analyzing the situation, I think that there's two 411 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: reasons why people unfollow you. One it's genuinely because they 412 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: just want to have close friends on there and don't 413 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: find your content that interesting, or they've really grown a 414 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: past friend you've grown apart. 415 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 7: I completely understand. 416 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: That, guess as in just just mute the person exactly, 417 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: And that's the worst thing in this day and age. 418 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: You can mute people or unfollow their content, but not 419 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: them as a person. Can I just add in a 420 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: point as well, is that isn't it the worst feeling 421 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: ever when there's been someone that's so annoying on your 422 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Instagram or your Facebook and you put up with their 423 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, they post five times an hour, and you 424 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: put up with it because you feel too mean to 425 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: delete them. And the day that you find out they've 426 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: unfollowed you. 427 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 7: Yes, you just wanted to get in first. 428 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: It's evenst it's not even getting you are just so offended. 429 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: I have put up with weeks and months and years 430 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: of your bots exactly I mean. And the second reason 431 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: that I'm talking about a reason to unfollow someone is 432 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: the spiteful reason. It is the passive aggressive reason of 433 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: them wanting to know that they've unfollowed you. It's funny 434 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: because it's not something that instantly people would notice. That's 435 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: why it's funny that you say it's a spiteful thing, 436 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: because for some people it could take months to realize 437 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: that someone has unfollowed them. So it's interesting that you 438 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: say that. I think though, yet everyone has to bit. 439 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: They've been in that position where they've been in a 440 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: fight with someone and they've gone that's it. I'm deleting you, 441 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: and do you know what it is is because it's 442 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: quite final, because so many people do put a lot 443 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: of effort into their social media personas, so deleting somebody 444 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: off it, it's like it's cutting you out of their world. 445 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of psychologists say is that 446 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: in the real world, losing touch with someone happens very naturally, 447 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: while on following someone on social media is a deliberate act. 448 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: Psychologist Sarah bugs List did a bit of research into this, 449 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: and she said that unfollow can be seen as a 450 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: form of rejection. So as we're becoming increasingly reliant on 451 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: this social media world to keep us up to date 452 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: with friends and in the loop, suddenly when you find 453 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: out that you've been removed from this digital loop, for 454 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: many it can be seen as being socially excluded. Now 455 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: that social media is such a huge platform for people 456 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: to express their creativity, a lot of people can see 457 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: being deleted as as kind of a commentary on how 458 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: good their content is. It's funny because anytime I've been unfollowed, 459 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: I actually never have related it back to the content. 460 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: I've just seen it as more of a personal thing. 461 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: Is that what you've seen, or do you actually think, 462 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, is the photos I'm posting really annoying people? 463 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: I suppose, in all honesty, I do take it as 464 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: a personal thing. But you do sometimes think, oh shit, 465 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: is my my stories boring people? 466 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 7: Or you do? 467 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I've read something very interesting. Someone said that 468 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: you go through five different stages of basically grief when 469 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: someone unfollows. So I thought it was pretty funny because 470 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: I could relate to it. So the first is denial, so, oh, 471 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: my phone is it just. 472 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 7: Must be being weird. 473 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Next that your followers are going down. I was just 474 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: like like, oh, maybe the internet's not working. 475 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 7: Maybe that's why. 476 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: So next next is anger, which won't surprise you from 477 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: me anger, why would they unfollow me? 478 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 7: What the next is bargaining? Maybe I've got to change 479 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 7: my content. I can change, they might want me back. 480 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: But surely that is actually. 481 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 7: Not really depression. 482 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: I wish I could unfollow myself. So that's where a 483 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: lot of the self doubt comes into it, and it 484 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: went dark quickly. And the last one is acceptance. So yeah, 485 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't need them in my life. That's fine. And 486 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It is a real public form of 487 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: humiliation in a way. I know it might sound silly 488 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: because you know it's like who's looking, but it is 489 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: a public. 490 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 7: Form of rejection. 491 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Can I just say that when you say who's looking, 492 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: let's just remind our listeners that you are the person 493 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: that will go on the influences or celebrities page. Example, 494 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson, the first spot that ye and their boyfriend 495 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Nick were no longer following each other. That's right. And 496 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: I remember remarking when Sophie told me that they weren't 497 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 1: following each other, who in their right mind keeps looking? 498 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say I'm wrong. Apparently they're there's a 499 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: big group of people that do actually look into that stuff, 500 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: and you know, if that's what you like doing, I 501 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: also did, do you? Shannie and Chloe were no longer 502 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: following each other as as friends as well? Can I 503 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: ask what prompted you to actually go and search with Sammy? 504 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: I think it was that I noticed that he hadn't 505 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: been liking her photos. I followed him and I couldn't 506 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: see his name popping up, and then I yeah, yes, 507 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: fair enough. And just to wrap this topic up, I 508 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: thought I'd do a gratuitous plug of our own Instagram, 509 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: which she has outspoken underscored the Underscore podcast. If you 510 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: would like to follow us because we are going to 511 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: be posting some, hopefully some very cool content that you 512 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: might want to keep up to date with. And just 513 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: so you know, she will be monitoring who follows and 514 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: unfollows the page. Hi, I'm Joe Anna, I'm sure, Curtis. 515 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: It's been described as the best show on television right now. 516 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Love Island is a delicious cocktail of Big Brother Jordie 517 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: Shaw and. 518 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 7: Bachelor in Paradise. 519 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: It sees twelve contestants enter a villa in Spain on 520 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: the quest to find the perfect match. As the days 521 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: go on, new contestants enter the villa in an attempt 522 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: to tempt couples to stray from their partners. The last 523 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: standing couple wins fifty pounds. The show has captivated five 524 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: million viewers in England and is the only thing getting 525 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: some Aussies through winter. With love triangles, cheating scandals, shop 526 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: dumpings and true love stories, it's not hard to see 527 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: why Love Island UK is so popular, Sophie. What is 528 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: it about UK Love Island that is so much better 529 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: than the Australian version. It is just better than the 530 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: Australian version in every possible way. I think the depth 531 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: of the characters this year is really good. 532 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 7: They all have exciting jobs. 533 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean you compare it to the Australian version when 534 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: majority of them were trade's and models or a bartender. 535 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: But this year they've got a signedst a pharmacist, a boxer, 536 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, last year they had a doctor on the show. 537 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: It's these people who actually have a great backstory and 538 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: have opinions and express them really well, as opposed to 539 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: people who are very like minded. So not typically the 540 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: people that you would assume would apply for a show 541 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: called Love Island definitely not. One of my favorite contestants 542 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: this year is Anna, who is a twenty eight year 543 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: old pharmacist and she's just a breath of fresh air. 544 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: She just sticks up for all of the girls. She's 545 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: just really intelligent in her comebacks. I think it's someone 546 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: like the people that you can actually look up to 547 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: and relate to. It's really interesting. I heard a little 548 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: bit of goss that apparently the Australian producers of Love 549 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: Island Australia were saying that they found it really difficult 550 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: to get them to sort of narrate stuff that had happened, 551 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: and basically had to feed them lines. So I wonder 552 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: if that's got anything to do with it. You know 553 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: the fact that you're saying that a lot of the 554 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: contestants in the UK. 555 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 8: One actually come from a background who have done university, 556 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 8: their doctors, their farmers, so they're able to string better sentences, 557 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 8: I suppose, and maybe someone who worked at a pub 558 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 8: called the Dick. 559 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: The thing that I noticed, even from episode one was 560 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: just how different all of the girls were. There were 561 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: so many different ethnicities, so many different jobs. As we've 562 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: been saying, it was just so refreshing to see. And 563 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: there has been so much scandal also, which makes it 564 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: very interesting. I suppose maybe for somebody who hasn't seen 565 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: Love Ireland, how would you catch them up? Well, it's 566 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: quite difficult to condense that into one sentence, but basically 567 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: at the moment, the standouts are Tommy and Molly May, 568 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: who I absolutely love, so they seem to be the 569 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: top contenders at the moment to take home the fifty 570 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. 571 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 7: They're so cute. 572 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: Tommy is a box and Molly May is a social influencer. 573 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: They have a little Elephants soft toy called Ellie Belly 574 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: who recently Tommy used Ellie Belly to ask Molly May 575 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: to officially be his girlfriend. Then we have Curtis and 576 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: Amy who have been the front runners of the show, 577 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: but things have turned sours since cass and Moore where 578 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: they separate the girls into a separate VI bringing a 579 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: bunch of new men, bringing a bunch of new girls, 580 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: and Curtis has been tempted by new girl Jordan and 581 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: it's made him realize that things are missing in his 582 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: relationship with Amy. So basically they've broken up now, which 583 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: was very upsetting. And then the other probably standout character 584 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: is Moira. 585 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 7: What is it. 586 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: About Moira that you like? Well, she's a bit of 587 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: a personal hero for me. She is just so outrageous, 588 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: so funny. I love her Irish accent. She always says 589 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: there's Tings and tom She's just so funny. 590 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 7: I love the way that she strutted into. 591 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: The villa and just didn't care what the other girls 592 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: thought of her, even though she went after Tommy, who 593 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: was partnered up with Molly May. She was just so 594 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: funny about it, and she could have been cast as 595 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: a huge villain, but yeah, just the way she went 596 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: about it, everyone loved her because she did everything wrong, 597 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: didn't she She stepped on the girl's toes and then 598 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 1: she tried to steal probably the most popular girl in 599 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: the villa's man. But then everyone still loved, loved her 600 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: and the villa and on the outside. I think because 601 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: she did it with a sense of humor, and she 602 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: did it in a relatable way. I mean, a lot 603 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: of the people watching at home obviously know that these 604 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: people have only been in a relationship for a few days, 605 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: so it's not too serious. So I think a lot 606 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: of people saw the funny side of it, and she 607 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: has caused so much drum, which I am loving at 608 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: the moment because I'm getting my way through all the episodes. 609 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: There's already thirty episodes if anyone's wanting to watch it 610 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: on nine now, And I'm so excited because the episode 611 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm about to watch is apparently Sophie's told me it's 612 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: the best episode ever. 613 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,239 Speaker 3: What is it? 614 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 7: Sof well, it has. 615 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Been touted as Love Island's all time greatest moment, so basically, 616 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: what a proud moment for her and her family. So basically, 617 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Mara was kind of coupled up with the twenty nine 618 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: year old model Tom, who I did not like from Dariban. 619 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I always found him very smarmy and fake anyway, So 620 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: they were coupled up, and because Moura won a competition, 621 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: she got the opportunity to go into the hideaway and 622 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: she decided to bring Tom. So as soon as she 623 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: found out and got the text, she did say, oh, things. 624 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 7: Are going to get frisky. 625 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: No, she would have sounded more like tings, things. 626 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 7: Are going to get frisky. 627 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right Tom, and everyone had a big laugh 628 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: about it. The girls went upstairs to the beach hut 629 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: where they were getting ready and kind of talking about 630 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: what they were going to expect, and Mora said to 631 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: the girls, look, I'm not going to sleep with him 632 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: at all. 633 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 7: We've only kissed a few times. That's just ridiculous. 634 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: And she has also said on the program that she's 635 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: been with five guys. She's not the type of girl 636 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: that's just going to sleep with anyone. That's kind of surprising, 637 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: not as in, but she is so overtly sexual to 638 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: something else that I think a lot of women have liked. 639 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: I think they like that she can be cheeky and 640 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: say these little comments. So tell us about this fight, then, 641 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: what makes it so good? So basically, whilst Moura was 642 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: up talking to the girls, Tom was downstairs talking to 643 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: all the boys and he was bragging that he'd slept 644 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: with other girls that he knew for less time, and that, yeah, 645 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a big deal if they slept together. 646 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: Just something you want to be saying on national television 647 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: while your parents are whatch. So Maura came down to 648 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: come and collect him to get ready to go, and 649 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: just as she's come to collect him, he turns to 650 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: the guys and says, I suppose we'll find out if 651 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: she's all mouth, And Moira looked shocked and said, what 652 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: did you say? And he went to backtrack, but then 653 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: obviously he knows it's filmed, so he had to flat 654 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: out say what he said, and Maura was so pissed 655 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: off told him to fuck off, but that why don't 656 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: we have a listen to how just how I rate 657 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: she got understandably at those comments. 658 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 4: I feel like that was miscommunication. I don't know what 659 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 4: what do you mean miscommunication? You said what you said? Yes, 660 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 4: you did you said it. And now what you're saying 661 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 4: you didn't, I repeating what they asked me. I said 662 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 4: it'd be interesting to see if she's on mouth. 663 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Well, you say, Tom, that's not you said it, making 664 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: me feel like a piece of shit. 665 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 4: I'm not what they asked me a question. They asked 666 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 4: you a question. Maybe you should have been a gentleman. 667 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 4: I was just repeating the question. You would dragging me. 668 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: Over and I just yea, because you're a follower, Tom, 669 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: can you not have your own opinion? 670 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 4: Said that about me? Okay? I didn't say it, Yes 671 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 4: you did. 672 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 7: I don't like my face. 673 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 4: Can't stand here and screaming sha yeah. 674 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 7: And what do you expect me to do when it 675 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 7: suck you. 676 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: Off or something? I wasn't expecting anything. I don't want 677 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 4: to speak to you. Piss off, Tom, Just give us 678 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 4: some spices. 679 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: I think. 680 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 4: Nice. 681 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let anyone talk about me like I'm 682 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: a piece of garbage. He's trying to be a lad 683 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: out there in front of all the boys. 684 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 4: I don't want a lad. 685 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I want a gentleman, someone that's going to talk about 686 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: me with a bit of respect. This was just my 687 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: favorite clip of all time. I absolutely loved it. The 688 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: best thing was, though, that she made Tom grovel for days. 689 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: So she made him get her cups of tea in 690 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: the morning, her breakfast, She made him go and should 691 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: get her favorite brush do braids. 692 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 7: In in her hair. 693 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: It was so funny, And it's just so funny that 694 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: these things happen over only a few days in the villa, 695 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: because the way it's programmed at it feels like a 696 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: lot longer. But so I'm guessing she strung him along though, 697 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: and then did she eventually Well, she actually gave him 698 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: a second chance, and she was starting to really like him, 699 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: but then she found out from Anna that apparently he'd 700 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: been saying behind her back that she was really cringey 701 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: and someone that he usually wouldn't go for. So the 702 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: thing that I also loved about her was that as 703 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: soon as she found this out, she brandished him a 704 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: lying coward and absolutely confronted him over it and basically 705 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: broke up with him and said, I don't want someone 706 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: that talks about me in this way. That's pretty strong 707 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: of her to do that, considering the whole show is 708 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: the preface of the whole show is that you are 709 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: safe if you are coupled up basically, and if you 710 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: haven't already, I would highly recommend you check out Love Island. 711 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: It is still streaming on nine now. I mean there's 712 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: a few spoilers in there, but I think it's just 713 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: as enjoyable when you know what's already happened exactly. And 714 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear what you think. As Sophy said, 715 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: she's dying to talk to anybody about it. She brings 716 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: up in every conversation, which is great. That's right, So 717 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: tell us what you think. If you want to follow 718 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at Outspoken Underscore the Underscore podcast, we'd 719 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Well, thank you so much 720 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: for joining us for our first episode of Outspoken. 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