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Speaker 1: Our Senator Melanderie McCarthy was yesterday sworn in to her

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Speaker 1: new role as Indigenous Australians Minister.

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Speaker 2: MS.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's appointment was announced on Sunday and comes less than

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Speaker 1: a week after Linda Burnie announced her retirement from politics.

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Speaker 1: The newly appointed Minister Melanderie McCarthy joins me on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to all your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Lovely to be with you.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling about taking on the new role.

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Speaker 3: I'm deeply proud, Katie, without a doubt. I just think

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Speaker 3: for Northern Territory so deserve the voice and a very

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Speaker 3: determined one at the Cabinet table, and I'm very grateful

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Speaker 3: to be that person.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't care what side of politics people sit on.

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Speaker 1: I think is spot on if we've got a voice

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Speaker 1: at that table, particularly when it comes to some of

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Speaker 1: the most serious issues that we've got not only in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory but right across Australia, and ensuring that

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Territorians are represented. I think that the sees hopefully

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Speaker 1: a really good thing for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, I certainly would like it to be so, Katie,

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Speaker 3: and I'm you know, I just know that it's been

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Speaker 3: a while since we did have a territory voice at

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Speaker 3: the Cabinet table and I'm certainly looking forward to giving

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Speaker 3: it my best shot.

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Speaker 1: When was the last time do you recall that we

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Speaker 1: had a territory and at the cabinet at the Federal

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I do. It was my previous senate colleague

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Speaker 3: for the COLP, Nigel Scullion. He was a minister I

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Speaker 3: think for two If it's two terms, it certainly for

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Speaker 3: a term and maybe a few more years and then

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Speaker 3: you know, he certainly was working in this role as

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Speaker 3: well for Indigenous Australian so I it's been a little while,

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Speaker 3: but their territory will have another voice at the table.

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Speaker 2: Minister.

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Speaker 1: What are your key priorities taking on the role.

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Speaker 3: Well, the key priorities would be to keep pursuing the

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Speaker 3: issues that we've been working on. You would have seen

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Speaker 3: the health announcements. I was very pleased to be able

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Speaker 3: to roll out the six urgent care clinics and remote

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Speaker 3: regions of the Northern Territory, plus the one at Palmerston

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Speaker 3: and Alice Springs. So I want to make sure those

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Speaker 3: urgent care clinics continue and are supported as they should be.

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Speaker 3: So the health announcements that I made over recent weeks

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Speaker 3: and months is really important to me, Katie, to see

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Speaker 3: that and the rolling out of renal chairs, dialass chairs

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Speaker 3: in places like Tea Tree in Hearts Range in Borla

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Speaker 3: So and a course across the country. But I'm just

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Speaker 3: specifically mentioning the territory at the moment, and naturally I

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Speaker 3: just want to make sure that we improve the lives

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Speaker 3: for First Nations people in the Northern Territory, but in

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Speaker 3: our remote regions across the country. We see many issues

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Speaker 3: and I just want to be able to see what

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Speaker 3: I can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the thing I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: there is obviously the need for things like those urgent

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Speaker 1: care clinics as you've just touched on, but we've got

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Speaker 1: a real serious need as well right across Australia, but

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Speaker 1: particularly in the territory at the moment to really try

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Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, to issues of crime,

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Speaker 1: to issues of anti social behavior, and unfortunately we do

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Speaker 1: see a higher representation. It is unfortunate, but we do

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Speaker 1: see a higher representation of Indigenous Australians in our jails

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Speaker 1: and I mean a lot.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: How do we get into this.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of ways we have to do it,

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Speaker 3: and we're obviously going to continue with trying to close

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Speaker 3: that we see kids get to school. You know, we

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Speaker 3: be able to have, like any other Australian, the opportunities

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Speaker 3: to go for things in life. I wish to in

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Speaker 3: terms of employment, I'm working on the current community development

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Speaker 3: jobs in our regions. Were also committed to the four

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Speaker 3: next ten years. I want to see our territory sector

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Speaker 3: in terms of construction, in terms of preparing for those homes.

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Speaker 3: I want to see the people of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 3: employed in all those places. So I will be fiercely

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Speaker 3: overseeing and overlooking that project with the new Housing Minister,

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Speaker 3: A Clear O'Neil. Here in the Federal Cabinet Minister.

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Speaker 1: There has been criticism of your predecessor that you know

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Speaker 1: that some of the decisions that have been made have

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Speaker 1: been driven by ideology.

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Speaker 2: Rather than results.

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Speaker 1: How do you plan to tackle things differently so there

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Speaker 1: is meaningful change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's an important question. Look, I am very

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Speaker 3: proud to have worked beside Linda Bernie and she will

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Speaker 3: continue with us until the next selection. Both her and

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Speaker 3: Senator Pat Dodson have been really significant people in the

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Speaker 3: I do think that that question around ideology, Katie, is

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Speaker 3: really important. One of the things I'll be doing is

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Speaker 3: reaching out to my opponents, you know, Senator Nampa, jimper Price.

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Speaker 3: I'll be reaching out to the Greens, I'll be reaching

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Speaker 3: out to the Tials. I really want to see a

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Speaker 3: concerted efforts, effort of collegiality here in the Parliament so

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Speaker 3: that we can rise above our ideological differences but actually

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Speaker 3: get to the heart of improving the problems for First

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is a tough part.

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Speaker 1: I suppose in the Northern Territory and you know this

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Speaker 1: better than most. You know, you've lived here for a

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Speaker 1: long long time. Is that in some areas we do

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Speaker 1: to sort of be failing quite miserly. And it's not

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Speaker 1: through lack of trying, I don't think from both sides

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Speaker 1: we don't seem to be getting that real meaningful sort

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Speaker 1: of outcomes in a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 3: Well, we see good things in achievements like you know,

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Speaker 3: elite sports. We see basketball as footballers doing well. We

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Speaker 3: having the runs on the board, but we need to

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Speaker 3: the positive than the negative.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: I know that there has been criticism in Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: continue you to rage on.

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Speaker 2: What more do you think can be done.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: We have to continue what we're doing at the moment

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Speaker 3: in terms of federally and I'll be getting certainly an

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Speaker 3: to ensure that things do improve for Alice Springs. I

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Speaker 3: grew up in Alice, Katie Yep. I love Alice Springs

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Speaker 3: and I know it so well and it will definitely

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Speaker 3: have my attention.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that that two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: That is over four years, Katie, And we have to

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Speaker 3: have a short term plan as well as a long

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Speaker 3: term plan. We need to be able to obviously work

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Speaker 3: on the issues that currently impact Alice. Obviously with the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory Government, who I know are doing the best

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Speaker 3: they can, they will be going into caretaker mode, but

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Speaker 3: what they'd sit for Central Australia will still continue. We

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Speaker 3: have a police commissioner who's determined to do his best.

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Speaker 3: He's employed Leanne Little to assist in some of the

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Speaker 3: areas around working with First Nations people. Leanne has extensive

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Speaker 3: and of the Year. So there are really good people

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Speaker 3: out to every single one of them because we need

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Speaker 3: to be able to get Alice back on its feet again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Even over the weekend or Thursday last week, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had another report from the Northern Territory Police about

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Speaker 1: a home invasion in which a woman was allegedly and

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Speaker 2: You know, issues like this are.

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Speaker 1: Really frightening for everybody that lives there, no matter where

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Speaker 1: you come from, no matter what your background is.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely we all want to be safe, Katie, you know

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Speaker 3: that's just so true.

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Speaker 1: Hey, in terms of you know, the organizations that are

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Speaker 1: this is something that we've spoken to the mayor about.

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Speaker 1: It's also something we've spoken to just into Nampa Jumper

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Speaker 1: Price about does there need to be an audit or

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Speaker 1: a look into some of the organizations that are currently

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Speaker 3: Those organizations that the Senator makes reference to are already

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Speaker 3: audited under the Australian National Audited Office, so we do

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Speaker 3: So there's currently auditing that occurs as part of the

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Speaker 3: no point doubling up and doing that if it's already

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Speaker 3: do believe that we have to ensure that the two

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Speaker 3: is doing what it should do over the next four years.

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Speaker 3: We've already seen, say, for example, with Congress and Alice

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Speaker 3: feedal alcohol support to disorder. So many of these children

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Speaker 3: give those families that support one of.

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Speaker 1: The organizations that there has been quite a few questions

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Speaker 1: asked about is tongue in geer counsel. And I know

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Speaker 1: that the ABC had reported earlier this year that they

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Speaker 1: hadn't filed an annual report for a number of years,

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Speaker 1: and that some of those reporting mechanisms that other organizations

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Speaker 1: indeed need to be, you know, to be sort of

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Speaker 1: undertaking you know that they aren't. And I know that

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Speaker 1: their agreement then with the Alice Springstown Council had been

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Speaker 1: torn up. Despite that, the Minister for Territory Family well

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Speaker 1: actually the Minister for the Prevention of Domestic and Family Violence,

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Speaker 1: I should say, Kate Warden, had confirmed with us on

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Speaker 1: the show a couple of weeks ago that they did

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Speaker 1: still receive additional funding when it comes to domestic violence program.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think is going wrong here?

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Speaker 1: Is there a breakdown and does there need to be

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Speaker 1: a further look into that organization.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's through two ways to answer that, Katie. One

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Speaker 3: is there's obviously AURIC, which looks at and that's the

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Speaker 3: Office of Registerar in terms of corporations that looks at

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Speaker 3: all the Aboriginal organizations under Attact. One of those is

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Speaker 3: Changan Jura, and it did give evidence at the Senate

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Speaker 3: Estimates Committee. Here they did not seem to raise any

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Speaker 3: red flags to the Senate Estimates Committee. So that's one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's the tough part at this point

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think that's actually correct. I think we

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Speaker 3: as I just said, OHIC, which gave the evidence to

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Speaker 3: So I would just say to people who are out

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Speaker 3: So if there are serious issues, naturally it would come

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Speaker 3: to the minister. I've clearly just stepped in. It's my

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Speaker 3: to Katie if I see something different from my briefing.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know me, Minister, I'll always ask. I know

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Speaker 2: Now, Minister, I do want to ask.

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Speaker 1: I know the re elected Lawler Labor government of announce

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Speaker 1: There has been really serious calls though, as you know.

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Speaker 2: Of the needs based funding in this space.

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Speaker 1: Is this something that you are going I mean, you've

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Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly something that I've been following very closely

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Speaker 3: for for decades, really, Katie, in terms of wanting to

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister for Indigenous Australian Mellandery McCarthy, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: What was the first thing you did after you got

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Speaker 3: Well, can I just share something with your listeners. When

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Speaker 3: and have a look at the kangaroos. Katie. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm Government House. There's a lot of kangaroos out on

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: You can take the girls out of the territory, but

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Speaker 1: you can't take the territory.

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Speaker 2: Out of the girls. Right out of the girls, Oh

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Speaker 2: good stuff. For they are wonderful young kids. I've met

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning, Minister.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it, and I think you know, all territorians

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Speaker 1: because if you're succeeding in the role, then so is

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Speaker 1: an Northern two retreat.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely spot on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Much appreciated.