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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: It's odd, simone, if you thought I was already busy

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Speaker 2: enough being a gorgeous, talented, and incredibly dressed drag queen.

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Speaker 2: I'm adding something else to my resume. Investigative reporter sort of.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with regular looking people who are concealing

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Speaker 2: something from me. It may be a weird job, a

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Speaker 2: scandalous side hustle or hobby, or even a naughty little secret.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know who I'm meeting with or what they're hiding. I

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Speaker 2: ask three heart hitting questions and try and figure it

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Speaker 2: out from there. Who knows what's in store this time?

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Speaker 2: Let's get our guest in roll the tap.

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Speaker 3: Hi. I'm Bill. I'm fifty five years old. I come

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Speaker 3: from Melbourne. I'm a family man and have five children.

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Speaker 3: I am very interested in the martial arts, which I

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Speaker 3: trained since I was very young. I work in local government,

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Speaker 3: but it's really what I do outside of work that

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Speaker 3: I'm here to talk to art about.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Bill, how are you going?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on in this place all right. Well, you're

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Speaker 2: sitting in front of me. The best way we'll describe

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Speaker 2: you is father Christmas goes.

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Speaker 1: On a holiday. Pretty much. I think that's what's in

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Speaker 1: front of me.

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Speaker 2: You've got a beautiful, big bushy beard, a nice silver beard,

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Speaker 2: but you're also in nice casual clothes. I can imagine

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Speaker 2: you by the beach having a nice cold beer while

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Speaker 2: the reindeer is going, I don't frolic in the water. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you work in local government things? Yes, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to go into that. Sounds a bit boring

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Speaker 2: to me, but very much. Yeah, okay, five children, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot, it is.

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Speaker 1: What type of car do you have to drive and

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Speaker 1: you have five kids?

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Speaker 3: Big one? Yeah, we have a seventh setter that when

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Speaker 3: everyone's there, we have to use that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you don't just strap them onto the

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Speaker 2: roof or something? Yeah right, I mean you could have

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Speaker 2: a sleigh. You are father Christmas. Ever started martial arts?

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Speaker 3: Many? Initially wing chung, which is a Chinese kung fu kung.

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Speaker 2: I had to study kung fu as a kid because

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Speaker 2: my eyesight and hand eye coordination is terrible and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get me into sports. She said, you know,

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Speaker 1: try and kick a footy. Look at me. Do you

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Speaker 3: A foot yeah okay. Kung fu yeah, yep, China which

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Speaker 3: is another form of kung fu, which is Chinese jiu jitsu. Wow,

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Speaker 3: my tie. And then Northern style kung fu, which is

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Speaker 3: kicking a lot of kicking. Yes, which says you can

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Speaker 3: tell probably not very good short stocking, but I got through.

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Speaker 2: And when you just to imagine Father Christmas doing martial arts,

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Speaker 2: ok it's really good image, It's really good. So what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do today is based on that background information.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to also ask you three questions, and from

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Speaker 2: the answer to those three questions, I have to work

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Speaker 2: out what you are concealing from me. Okay, and if

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Speaker 2: the answer is you are Father Christmas, I've already done. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but okay, on the good list, okay, okay. First question

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Speaker 2: we have is what is the most interesting place you've visited.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a hard one, but I would say the

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Speaker 3: battle fields of Guineasburg. How's that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Then all right, well, this is what the hell's

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Speaker 1: that sounds scary? What is it?

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Speaker 3: It's from the American Civil War. It's a three day battle.

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Speaker 3: Fifty thousand men were killed in three days. Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: very very nasty piece of work.

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Speaker 2: For beautiful to tell me today is really lifted the

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Speaker 2: mood here today. That's okay, that's all right, Okay, second battles,

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Speaker 2: I'll just write there down there, Okay. Second, Do you

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Speaker 2: have a favorite holiday, as in, like, yeah, not going

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 1: You know, I could be good Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, no, I do. I look, I love Christmas,

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Speaker 3: but I would have to say for me, Halloween is

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Speaker 1: My god, my favorite too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that We're starting to get into

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Speaker 3: It's really changed. I got my young blog, my youngest one.

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Speaker 3: He has a box of Halloween decorations and pulls it

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: I remember convincing my mum during high school to let

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Speaker 1: She let me like staple.

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Speaker 2: Gun black tarps all over the thing, and she couldn't

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Speaker 2: this haunted house, bless herself. And then we finally packed

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Speaker 2: it up after Halloween, and she's like, Jackie, there's a.

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Speaker 1: Few splots of blood still around. She said, don't tell

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Speaker 1: your stepfather. But just baby, don't do that again.

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Speaker 3: Don't you so much bloody?

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Speaker 2: And lastly, if you had a midlife crisis, what would

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Speaker 1: It's time for midlife crisis, now, I say.

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Speaker 3: I think I've already had a mid loft cross. Now

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Speaker 2: Travel the world? Yeah, oh wow, go back to your

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Speaker 2: battle zones. There you can visit every place where millions

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all the yes, the nasty places.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how morbon? Okay, very much?

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Speaker 2: All right, Halloween battles, traveling, traveling the battle Halloween. Okay, alright,

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Speaker 2: So based on all of this, I have to guess

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Speaker 2: what I think you're concealing.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You like to visit battle fields and see things, You

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Speaker 2: like to travel the world, okay, and your favorite holiday

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Speaker 2: is Halloween. I know you're giving me all of those things,

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Speaker 2: But looking at you, I just reckon. I reckon you

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Speaker 2: are Santa impersonator? Are you a father Christmas? Santa impersonator?

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Speaker 3: What about the real Sentacus? No, I'm not No, that's

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Speaker 3: not me, not the real Santa. I'm not the real one,

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Speaker 3: all right. I'm a paranormal investigator. I've been in the

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Speaker 3: field for thirty six years. I work with all sorts

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Speaker 3: of cases, trying to help people and educate people on

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Speaker 3: all things paranormal.

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Speaker 1: A paranormal investigator. Yes, have you seen a ghost? No,

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Speaker 1: don't tell me again, don't tell me. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to know. I don want to know. Okay, So Bill

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Speaker 1: is not Santa Claus.

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Speaker 2: He is, in fact a paranormal investigator.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what he's seen. Am I here?

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Speaker 1: Am I? Your ghosts?

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Speaker 2: Is here?

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Speaker 1: A ghosts? Are you a ghost?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 1: Am I? Who are you? Where are we? What's up?

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Speaker 1: What's down? Let's find a help? All right?

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Speaker 2: We are here with Bill and we've just found out

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Speaker 2: that No, you are not Santa Claus, but you are

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Speaker 2: a paranormal investigator.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Where do we start? Where do we start? Okay?

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Speaker 2: After bat, I don't care about how you got into it,

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Speaker 2: just yet I would know. Have you seen a ghost?

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Speaker 3: I have?

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Speaker 1: How many ghosts have you seen?

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Speaker 1: Count them?

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Speaker 3: Lots lots, some some you saw the full body, some

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Speaker 1: Are you an or parana person?

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Speaker 3: I am in the sense that I've actually seen them

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Speaker 3: lot of them are false positives. I reckon they're dust

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, how did you get into it?

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Speaker 3: Always had an interest in the paranormal since before I

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Speaker 3: can even remember, because a little kid, I'd watch everything,

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Speaker 3: just this interest, you know, in anything that was sort

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Speaker 3: of unusual, you know what I mean, we're all vampires whatever.

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Speaker 3: Back then it was, you know, whereas my wife she's

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Speaker 2: Joe, Yes, okay, all right, so missus course can see

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Speaker 2: the dead people, right, yeah. So she has more sensibility, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when the superheroes and there's like Batman who

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to know the first experience of

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Speaker 3: Well, the first experience I had was actually when my

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Speaker 2: So when you say you're a paranormal investigator, yes, does

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Speaker 2: that mean that people can bring you out to research

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, how would an investigation run that?

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Speaker 3: Basically we received a job or you know, a question

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Speaker 3: can you help us. There's quite a few chats interviews

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Speaker 3: human nature, we fear what we don't understand, so we

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Speaker 3: We can settle it with just a chat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, vibes, that was just the earth.

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Speaker 3: The earth moved, you know, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Your air conditioner was on.

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Speaker 3: It was probably the There's so much stuff that, you know,

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Speaker 3: just having a chat to them, and even if it

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Speaker 3: old Oni Mary visiting, you know, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not necessarily bad. So after that, what we do

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Speaker 3: an investigation. We'll first off go in and check the

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Speaker 3: place out to look for things like high EMF levels

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Speaker 3: which can cause hallucinations and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Black noise which can cause hallucinations. Noise it's infrasound. Really,

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Speaker 1: Oh are you saying that it's that, But that's not halting, that.

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Speaker 3: It's not sextual sound, yes that we can't hear with

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Speaker 1: But effect mold. But it's a sound the same thing.

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Speaker 2: You'd rather have pictures thrown at you from a ghost

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's it's getting better or worse in

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That the paranormal field has hard enough

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Hollywood has a lot to answer for. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: You don't even bring all the presents that the children

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Speaker 1: I reckon that ghosts to be Santa.

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Speaker 2: always haunted, and we always said it was haunted not

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Speaker 2: because it's Straculas, because.

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Speaker 1: It was like a factory years yer because of very

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Speaker 1: old building.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and apparently her name was Antoinette and she fell

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Speaker 2: off into like a big vat or something. And if

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Speaker 2: you were ever there, like once the patrons had left

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Speaker 2: and you're just packing up, you could sense her and

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Speaker 2: you could like see.

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Speaker 1: Her out the corner of your eye movement. Yeah, you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, what is she doing? And I think she

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Speaker 1: was fine. We liked her.

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Speaker 2: She was a nasty Yeah, she's like, hi, guys, you're

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Speaker 2: know a line. I'm here, your friend's going I want

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Speaker 2: to play now. I don't think she actually sounded like that,

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Speaker 2: but you know, maybe you never know. Yeah, and she'd

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Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's it's a bit more antientity, like

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Speaker 2: that very much. Yeah, I'll have to go back and

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Speaker 2: visit her one day. Is there anything happening here? Are

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Speaker 2: you sensing anything here? Just a little child? Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: he wants around. He's not threatening on nasty or anything.

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Speaker 2: But there's also an old man outside the building here

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Speaker 2: you'll see walking around with a wheelbarrow full of powder.

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Speaker 1: And say night, just set my makeup, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Because there was a frank of flour mill here

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Speaker 3: and that's wheelbarrowing and that's what you're seeing. So you know,

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Speaker 3: that's just a couple. I'm sure there's a lot more,

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Speaker 3: you know, but.

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Speaker 2: Imagine getting stuck as it goes and just having any

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Speaker 2: good job for the rest And that's what.

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Speaker 1: Grumpy.

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Speaker 2: We're getting stuck at work for attorney. That'd be like

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Speaker 2: doing a hen's party for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: Kill me now, no, don't kill me, keep me alive. Well,

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