Speaker 1: I've always admired the discipline, the skill, the dedication that
Speaker 1: it takes to become a black belt. It really is
Speaker 1: one of those achievements that requires full commitment, both from
Speaker 1: a mental and a physical perspective, and a huge part
Speaker 1: of that is mindset. So what if we could get
Speaker 1: in the mind of someone who had not one, but
Speaker 1: two black belts in two different martial arts to understand
Speaker 1: how their mindset, training and teaching could now be applied
Speaker 1: into your life. Well, we're going to get that opportunity
Speaker 1: next with a martial arts legend, a cancer survivor and
Speaker 1: truly inspiring public speaker. Then we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: consuming pre workout, whether you've been thinking.
Speaker 2: About using it or you are using it and you're.
Speaker 1: Not sure if it's what you should be doing. We're
Speaker 1: going to dive into that a little later with a
Speaker 1: question from Kate, just a quick.
Speaker 3: Question about pre workout. Been a bit hooked on it
Speaker 3: and I just want to know how to get off
Speaker 3: of it, Is it worth it, and any other tips
Speaker 3: that you might have if there's a better option pre workout.
Speaker 1: It really is one of those polarizing subjects that I
Speaker 1: get a lot of questions about that's going to come
Speaker 1: up a little later on the wood Life, but now
Speaker 1: let's get into the mindset of a martial arts champion.
Speaker 1: Our next guest is a black building karate a kickboxing badass,
Speaker 1: a mindset coach, an author of ten Seconds of Courage
Speaker 1: at Nadine Champion.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the WOODLFE.
Speaker 4: Thanks Sam, I'm really happy to be here today.
Speaker 2: So let's start at the start.
Speaker 1: Tell our wood Life listeners how your journey has come
Speaker 1: about and how you became a mindset coach.
Speaker 4: I started doing martial arts when I was a little kid,
Speaker 4: so I was ten years old, and you know, I
Speaker 4: found out very quickly that it's not just the physical
Speaker 4: part of what we do. And that's for I'm sure
Speaker 4: yourself and your listeners as well. It's not just what
Speaker 4: we do physically. It's all of the thoughts that we
Speaker 4: have and the feelings that we bring into what we do.
Speaker 4: So I discovered quickly that there was a lot more
Speaker 4: to my pursuit my sport in martial arts than I
Speaker 4: thought there was. So I became really passionate about learning
Speaker 4: about that. I watched the Karate Kid movie and decided
Speaker 4: that this is what I wanted to do with my life,
Speaker 4: and then I founded mister Miagi about ten years later,
Speaker 4: and he was incredible teacher. His man named Benny the
Speaker 4: Jeti Kidas, world famous martial arts master. He's a living legend,
Speaker 4: and I've devoted twenty five years of my life to
Speaker 4: learning what he calls internal training. So that's the mental
Speaker 4: edge that you then apply to all aspects of your life.
Speaker 4: But it's also teaching how to deal with emotions, which
Speaker 4: I think is something that is really important these days
Speaker 4: because emotions have become really heightened in the last few years,
Speaker 4: and also bringing out each person, whether they're a martial
Speaker 4: artist or not, bringing out their fighting spirit, because I
Speaker 4: think we're all fighting for something, and often the most
Speaker 4: important fight for any of us to win is the
Speaker 4: one in our own minds.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely if we don't get past that battle, the
Speaker 1: other battles we don't have much success with. How young
Speaker 1: were you when you realized it was mindset and how
Speaker 1: much work did you do on the mental side of
Speaker 1: things versus the physical side of things for your own
Speaker 1: personal performance.
Speaker 4: I think I didn't understand what it was that I
Speaker 4: was experiencing when I was very young, but I could
Speaker 4: see how it definitely played a role as I went
Speaker 4: into my teenage years. I don't know how your teenage
Speaker 4: years were, but my I'm a little bumpy, so you know,
Speaker 4: I learned what it was to be able to do
Speaker 4: a really good job mentally and achieved things. And I
Speaker 4: also learned what it was to come undone mentally and
Speaker 4: not achieve things. So I think those experiences were really helpful.
Speaker 4: And then re experiencing them going through life, learning that
Speaker 4: lesson over and over again. It gave me a good
Speaker 4: foundation in it. And then I met somebody in you know,
Speaker 4: in my sense sense, a men's teacher, and he explained
Speaker 4: me to me. And that was the thing that I
Speaker 4: found really interesting. As a young woman in a male
Speaker 4: dominated sport. I would cry. Someone would hit me in
Speaker 4: the nose and I would cry. And instead of having,
Speaker 4: you know, the usual response, which is wipe your tears, princess,
Speaker 4: get on with it, he would ask me why are
Speaker 4: you crying? And I'd say, because this happened, well, why
Speaker 4: are you really crying? And what we got down to
Speaker 4: he would ask me again and again and again until
Speaker 4: we got down to because I'm frustrated you've been so
Speaker 4: mad you want to cry. You know, it's that drive
Speaker 4: and desire to be better to you know, to be
Speaker 4: good at something, to find something you can be happy
Speaker 4: about and proud of that. You know, whether that's your kids,
Speaker 4: your work, no matter what it is. How do our
Speaker 4: emotions and our thoughts play into that? Because you know,
Speaker 4: when we're experiencing frustration or emotion, so much of it
Speaker 4: comes from our passion for what we do.
Speaker 2: Take us through your journey.
Speaker 1: So you've gone with the help of your sen say
Speaker 1: your teacher, you've gone to the heights of martial arts.
Speaker 1: And then what else has happened during your life that
Speaker 1: has helped sort of shape you as an expert in mindset?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm very honest that you would call me a
Speaker 4: mindset expert. I'm still a mindset student in my mind
Speaker 4: you know, I'm teaching and learning at the same time,
Speaker 4: just like in martial arts. I went through many years
Speaker 4: of learning, getting my black belts, and competing in martial arts.
Speaker 4: And I wonder if you will relate to this or
Speaker 4: your listeners will relate to this. I was in my
Speaker 4: comfort zone. Even though I was doing very well externally,
Speaker 4: I had a little voice in the back of my
Speaker 4: mind that was saying, this is not that hard anymore.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, if you tried that thing that you're
Speaker 4: scared to try, maybe you could do that too. Or
Speaker 4: you know that voice that asks, isn't there more that
Speaker 4: I could do? Or is this all there is?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: So I was experiencing that even though externally I was
Speaker 4: doing pretty well competitively. So I wondered if I could
Speaker 4: go and do full contact competition. It took me about
Speaker 4: five years to say that out loud because I did
Speaker 4: not like getting hit in the face shocker, you know.
Speaker 4: So I was holding myself back for a long time,
Speaker 4: even though I wondered maybe I could win a title
Speaker 4: in that if I was brave enough to go that direction.
Speaker 4: So I do a lot of work with people on
Speaker 4: that exact process, going from your comfort zone to courage
Speaker 4: to actually taking action on it, because that's the part
Speaker 4: that changes our lives. It's so easy to stay in
Speaker 4: your comfort zone. Why wouldn't you It's nice in there,
Speaker 4: But you know, it depends what kind of life you
Speaker 4: want to have, and I didn't want to have same old,
Speaker 4: same old. I wanted to try and get the most
Speaker 4: out of my life. So I went into the kickboxing ring,
Speaker 4: I won titles, I had a whole new experience, and
Speaker 4: then right at the peak of my competitive career, I
Speaker 4: was diagnosed with cancer and I ended up spending six
Speaker 4: months having treatment for Hodgkins and foma, and everything that
Speaker 4: I had been through that made me me all of
Speaker 4: the you know, the competitive success, my business doing really well,
Speaker 4: all of these external things being a fit and healthy
Speaker 4: person was gone overnight, and it took me some time
Speaker 4: to rebuild. But you know, I had some opportunities to
Speaker 4: do some things that did take me some courage coming
Speaker 4: out of that situation that really were completely life changing.
Speaker 2: So you drew on all of these martial arts experiences
Speaker 2: to help you get through such a hard physical challenge.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. You know, everything that you've ever been
Speaker 4: through has taught you something. If you go back with
Speaker 4: a pen and paper and write down, this is what
Speaker 4: I went through. Step two, These are the lessons it
Speaker 4: taught me. Step three, this is the meaning that I
Speaker 4: assigned to that moving forward. We've all been through things
Speaker 4: in our lives. The difference is when you think of
Speaker 4: what happened, do you go back and go back into
Speaker 4: the emotions of the moment, because your brain doesn't know
Speaker 4: whether that experience is happening now or if it happened
Speaker 4: ten years ago. When you think maybe you lost someone
Speaker 4: you know, and that wound can be opened again so easily.
Speaker 4: Your body can't tell the difference. Your nervous system can't
Speaker 4: tell the difference. So it's not about going back into
Speaker 4: it and reopening all the emotions. It's about going and
Speaker 4: changing the meaning of it so that you can use it.
Speaker 4: So that's it's like taking a resilience lesson that you
Speaker 4: can use moving forward. So all of the lessons that
Speaker 4: I'd learn in martial arts I had to use and
Speaker 4: call on just to show up every two weeks and
Speaker 4: have chemo. You know, that's that's no fun. So I
Speaker 4: used to walk down the hallway in the hospital like
Speaker 4: I was walking out to the ring, you know. I'd
Speaker 4: put music on and I'd walk in like I can
Speaker 4: do it, I can do it. I was very, very
Speaker 4: grateful for the lessons that I'd learned, and I was
Speaker 4: incredibly grateful for that second voice that I'd programmed into
Speaker 4: my mind, and that was sense Benny's voice. So, you know,
Speaker 4: during my final treatment, I was having a bad day,
Speaker 4: they couldn't put the canular into my arm because all
Speaker 4: of the veins had collapsed from the previous chemo, and
Speaker 4: I dropped my bundle. I ran out of the room,
Speaker 4: tears streaming down my face, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: not having it. I can't do it. I just got
Speaker 4: to that point where I couldn't take another step that day.
Speaker 4: And in that moment when I'm sitting in the away
Speaker 4: in the hospital with tears streaming down my face and
Speaker 4: people are trying to talk to me and I just
Speaker 4: wouldn't let them, I got quiet enough to hear that
Speaker 4: second voice in my head that was since e Beni's voice. See,
Speaker 4: we all get to program someone else's voice into our heads. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: for so many people, the voice in their head is
Speaker 4: a critical voice. It's an old voice that they learned
Speaker 4: from somewhere else. So or it's a voice maybe that's
Speaker 4: gone unchallenged in their own head. They haven't thought to
Speaker 4: reset it, to use tools, mindset tools to change it.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm hoping people who listen to your
Speaker 4: podcast they're getting good information that they can program into
Speaker 4: their heads for these moments in life when we really
Speaker 4: need them the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, And look, it's very easy I
Speaker 1: think sometimes for people to hear advice from a mindset
Speaker 1: perspective and think it's easy for you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, like my situation is, you know, feels enormous,
Speaker 1: and no one else's situation is the same or is
Speaker 1: it the same magnitude. And that's not to suggest that
Speaker 1: other people aren't in more challenging situations than you, potentially,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there are plenty out there, but I
Speaker 1: think it is actually really powerful and reassuring to go
Speaker 1: that's actually pretty incredible what Nadine did go through, and
Speaker 1: now she's not only broken through the other side and
Speaker 1: is unstoppable, but she helps other people gain those same
Speaker 1: tools and those same strengths. So I'd love for you
Speaker 1: to sort of share what you think you gained from
Speaker 1: your martial arts and perhaps your sickness experience that can
Speaker 1: help other people in their real life experience. And I
Speaker 1: know you've got a book called ten Seconds of Courage,
Speaker 1: which I know it is a famous Ted talk, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to sort of know where that sort of
Speaker 1: came from and what tips around that you've got as well.
Speaker 4: I can you got it, so coming out of my
Speaker 4: cancer treatment for that whole year afterwards, I was standing
Speaker 4: in the rubble of my life and then one of
Speaker 4: my students over a coffee said do you like TED
Speaker 4: talks ted X talks? And I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: love them, and she said would you ever do one?
Speaker 4: And I want everyone listening to ask yourself, if someone
Speaker 4: gave you the opportunity, would you do it.
Speaker 1: It's funny for a lot of people, they'd probably prefer
Speaker 1: to be in a ring with someone then have to
Speaker 1: get up and do a public spec that'sably step that
Speaker 1: needs to jump in the ring with someone.
Speaker 4: What I didn't know was she was on the organizing
Speaker 4: committee for tedech Sydney, which is the second largest TED
Speaker 4: event in the world apart from actual TED. So she
Speaker 4: put my name in without telling me, and then she
Speaker 4: told me afterwards they gave me a call. The next
Speaker 4: thing I knew, And let me preface this by saying,
Speaker 4: I hadn't done any public speaking since year seven English
Speaker 4: with mister Gillette. So I was a martial arts teacher.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a public speaker. So I decided to speak
Speaker 4: on this concept that I'd used during my cancer treatment
Speaker 4: that since a Benny had taught me called ten seconds
Speaker 4: of current, because what I had discovered is everybody's a
Speaker 4: friend of different things, small through to massive. It's not
Speaker 4: about comparing fears or experiences. It's just when you feel stuck,
Speaker 4: when you can't move out of your comfort zone but
Speaker 4: you really want to, when something's worth fighting for to you,
Speaker 4: how do you use that little burst of courage to
Speaker 4: get you going. Because what sense A Benny taught me
Speaker 4: about the mental edge, whether it's personally professionally, is most
Speaker 4: people think that they're going to be brave and use
Speaker 4: their courage at the moment of execution. When the moment comes,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be brave. But what he taught me
Speaker 4: is most people make a mistake. The moment to use
Speaker 4: your courage is when you're standing at the door of
Speaker 4: the dressing room. You can't walk out to the ring
Speaker 4: and be brave if you don't actually take that first
Speaker 4: step and get out of your comfort zone start walking
Speaker 4: out to the ring. So I talked about the real
Speaker 4: thoughts and feelings that go with courage and how in
Speaker 4: order to be brave you have to have that fear.
Speaker 4: Otherwise there's nothing brave about what you're doing. You know,
Speaker 4: I shared two really key concepts in that talk. One
Speaker 4: of them was ten seconds of courage, and the other
Speaker 4: one was an idea called change your Thinking, which is
Speaker 4: really a call to arms to deal with your mindset.
Speaker 4: I decided that I had to point out the difference
Speaker 4: between knowing an idea, which is the internal, and living
Speaker 4: out the idea externally physically in real life, because I mean,
Speaker 4: I read a lot. If I don't act on any
Speaker 4: of the things that I learn, they're worthless. Because having
Speaker 4: cancer taught me. People can tell you what to do,
Speaker 4: like tell you which chemicals to put in your body
Speaker 4: to save your life. What they don't teach you is
Speaker 4: how to recover from it emotionally, how to deal with
Speaker 4: it mentally. And I thought, if this is happening in
Speaker 4: cancer treatment, is it happening everywhere else? And the more
Speaker 4: that I checked, I found, you know, people are hungry
Speaker 4: to learn how to deal with their minds, hungry to
Speaker 4: learn how to deal with their emotions so that they
Speaker 4: can take their lives from pretty good to absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing I'm sure all of our listeners,
Speaker 1: whether it's getting themselves into shape, whether it's leaving a
Speaker 1: job that perhaps they're not happy in.
Speaker 2: Whether it's getting out of a bad relationship, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the same mindset principles do apply to all these
Speaker 1: different facets of life. And even if you start with
Speaker 1: a little one, what happens, I believe really strongly, is
Speaker 1: you have to just like you say, you have.
Speaker 2: To take that first step, but start with a little one.
Speaker 1: Start with a little challenge, taking the first step against
Speaker 1: something that you're not satisfied with in your life. And then,
Speaker 1: like you say, you get it of your comfort zone,
Speaker 1: which is where the magic happens, and then it just
Speaker 1: makes the next time easier. The reinforcement you get when
Speaker 1: you do it and a good outcome happens, just builds
Speaker 1: this layer of belief and confidence and positivity around that
Speaker 1: experience that the next time you're faced with the next challenge,
Speaker 1: the next fear that you have to overcome, you go,
Speaker 1: you're a bit more likely to do it you would
Speaker 1: have been if you hadn't done the previous one, had
Speaker 1: that success. And you do it, and you do it,
Speaker 1: and you do it, and you build these layers and
Speaker 1: then before you know it, things that in your wild
Speaker 1: as dreams you never thought you'd take on, don't seem
Speaker 1: that insurmountable and don't seem anywhere near as scary as
Speaker 1: perhaps they did, and you're taking those on. Is there
Speaker 1: perhaps key tips that you could give our listeners that
Speaker 1: you think perhaps they could begin implementing immediately to help
Speaker 1: them in their life as they're listening.
Speaker 2: To you today.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so. I think one word I would attach to
Speaker 4: what you were just saying, Sam is experience. The power
Speaker 4: of experience. Every experience gives you information. Positive experience builds
Speaker 4: your confidence. An experience that doesn't go so well, it
Speaker 4: gives you more experience for next time. You know, it
Speaker 4: gives you valuable information and feedback about the results that
Speaker 4: you're getting in your life. So, in a practical sense,
Speaker 4: since it Benny made me do. Like school, he would
Speaker 4: get me pen and paper, write it down, change the
Speaker 4: meaning of it on the page. And that's a you know,
Speaker 4: I took what he taught me, and then I went
Speaker 4: and looked at the research the science behind it. It's
Speaker 4: a mental process called encoding. So when I'm sitting down
Speaker 4: a memory, a belief system, a new way of looking
Speaker 4: at things, I'm teaching it to myself and I'm locking
Speaker 4: it into my memory system. So you know, it's not
Speaker 4: just try and change how you think about it. It's
Speaker 4: literally write it down, change it to a lesson, give
Speaker 4: it a different meaning instead of just think the thought
Speaker 4: and have it be an idea. Brains have a negative
Speaker 4: bias and a confirmation bias, so they're hardwired to say,
Speaker 4: if I break my hand, to focus on the problem,
Speaker 4: and then I'll renew and I'll go, oh, Sam, I
Speaker 4: broke my hand, and now we're talking about the problem,
Speaker 4: and you're telling me about when you broke your hand,
Speaker 4: and we both have focused on the problem. That's very
Speaker 4: natural and normal and human. I'm not saying you shouldn't
Speaker 4: do it, but the difference is, you know, what am
Speaker 4: I going to do with this? Can I then change
Speaker 4: the meaning of it? Can I my attention to the
Speaker 4: three other good limbs that I have in order to
Speaker 4: get the job done. I love that, to make my
Speaker 4: dreams come true, to find, you know, satisfaction in my efforts,
Speaker 4: rather than giving up on myself, because I know I've
Speaker 4: given up on myself before. We all have as people.
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes living with the pain of quitting
Speaker 4: is way worse than the pain of the broken hand.
Speaker 1: Nadine, thank you so much for sharing both your personal
Speaker 1: experience and how it's helped you help others. And you
Speaker 1: can't wait to keep following you and seeing all the
Speaker 1: great work that you're doing. Thanks so much for Johnny's
Speaker 1: on the Woodlife.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting how it so often comes back to
Speaker 1: your perspective and your attitude and whether or not you
Speaker 1: have the ability to flip the script. It's always the case,
Speaker 1: and I do love that. If you want to find
Speaker 1: out more from Nadine, head to Nadine champion dot com.
Speaker 2: Next up, we're going to tackle what can only.
Speaker 1: Be described as a very polarizing supplement, and that is
Speaker 1: is pre workout.
Speaker 2: If you've ever.
Speaker 1: Spent time at the gym, or you spent time around
Speaker 1: people that love going to the gym, you know those
Speaker 1: Jim Jakie mates, there's a fair chance you've heard about
Speaker 1: pre workout or you've probably even bought some a use
Speaker 1: some yourself. So when this question came through, I thought
Speaker 1: it was an important one to answer.
Speaker 3: Hi, Sam, My name's Kate and I'm from Regional South Australia.
Speaker 3: Just a quick question about pre workout. Been a bit
Speaker 3: addicted to it in the past. A personal trainer in
Speaker 3: the past recommended it. Been a bit hooked on it,
Speaker 3: and I just want to know how to get off
Speaker 3: of it, Is it worth it, and any other tips
Speaker 3: that you might have if there's a better.
Speaker 1: Option, So quickly, just give people a little bit of
Speaker 1: air heads off about what pre workout is. So it's
Speaker 1: a you put a scoop of whatever flavor it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, they're usually chock full of these artificial flavors.
Speaker 1: It might be bubblegum or guava or watermelon or pineapple.
Speaker 1: When you put a rather large scoop of this powder
Speaker 1: from a little plastic container into your drink bottle or
Speaker 1: into your cup, and your add water and you stir
Speaker 1: it up and you drink it down, and it's super
Speaker 1: super sweet. And then it's full of either natural or
Speaker 1: artificial stimulants to get you up and about and highly energized,
Speaker 1: you know, garana and lots of caffeine and all these
Speaker 1: other sort of things. So they're not all the same.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. And the idea behind it is,
Speaker 1: now that I've taken this pre workout, as it kicks in,
Speaker 1: as I'm starting my workout, I have more energy about
Speaker 1: a workout, perhaps for longer or harder, you know, get
Speaker 1: more reps in, push myself a little bit harder, lift
Speaker 1: it a little bit more weight because I'm feeling really
Speaker 1: focused and really energized, and the blood's pumping and all
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So those that love pumping iron
Speaker 1: in the gym a lot of the time are huge
Speaker 1: fans of pre workout. They feel that it gives them
Speaker 1: a better workout, you know, and better performance, and they
Speaker 1: kind of stuff for your benefit, Kate, you have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself the question, am I addicted to the pre
Speaker 1: workout or am I addicted to the feeling? And that
Speaker 1: could be the feeling of working out or is it
Speaker 1: the feeling of only working out when I'm on the
Speaker 1: pre workout? And I think for you, you probably need
Speaker 1: to differentiate between the two and just try different things.
Speaker 1: You might try to stimulate yourself with a banana and
Speaker 1: a black coffee and see if you get the exact
Speaker 1: same rush, the exact same feeling. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you're working out to the same level. If the answer
Speaker 1: is no, then perhaps pre workout is okay for you
Speaker 1: as long as you maintain safe dosages and you're not
Speaker 1: having any bad ramifications or side effects, you know, like
Speaker 1: heart palpitations or anything like that.
Speaker 2: If you feel like you're in control, it gives you
Speaker 2: a good workout.
Speaker 1: You keep to the normal dosage, and it really is
Speaker 1: that feeling that it gives you that you're addicted to.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: If you can get all of that from a black
Speaker 1: coffee and a workout, I'd definitely just go the black
Speaker 1: coffee and the workout. The other issue with them, and
Speaker 1: this is probably going back to the addiction point of Kates,
Speaker 1: is you tend to build up a tolerance to it.
Speaker 1: So you know, you might start with the dosage that's
Speaker 1: on the container, you know, one scoop with water, mix
Speaker 1: it up, drink it down, and then two weeks later,
Speaker 1: after doing that every day of every workout, just before
Speaker 1: you train, you're finding that's not having the same impact.
Speaker 1: So you increase it, and you increase it as you
Speaker 1: build up the tolerance, and then you probably start and
Speaker 1: consume some not so healthy levels. So the other thing
Speaker 1: I'd say to you, U, Kate, and it's like anything,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to go cold turkey with it.
Speaker 2: If you're finding that you.
Speaker 1: Perhaps not sure about whether it's doing you any good
Speaker 1: or not, which it sounds like is your case, just
Speaker 1: wean yourself off it, reduce how often you take it,
Speaker 1: reduce the dosage, make sure you're just staying hydrated and
Speaker 1: energized with lots of water and good nutrition, and then
Speaker 1: see if it's making a difference, and slowly but surely
Speaker 1: you probably.
Speaker 2: Can reduce it or remove it completely.
Speaker 1: And I bet you.
Speaker 2: Don't notice that much of a difference.
Speaker 1: So my personal opinion is it probably how it's place.
Speaker 1: It's not something that I love taking or I love
Speaker 1: recommending as a trainer. But if you do feel like
Speaker 1: it really helps you have a good workout, a quality workout,
Speaker 1: it gets you up and about and gives you energy,
Speaker 1: that's probably okay. But as long as you're taking it
Speaker 1: in the right dosage, and you shouldn't feel like you're
Speaker 1: dependent on it, You shouldn't feel like you can't do
Speaker 1: the workout unless you have it.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't feel.
Speaker 1: Like you need to have more than the recommended dosage,
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't feel like having a banana and a
Speaker 1: black coffee isn't an adequate substitution to still get a
Speaker 1: great workout in and get on your day. And I
Speaker 1: think if you get to that balance and that control,
Speaker 1: you're probably fine. But if you are looking for a
Speaker 1: pre workout option, I'd definitely go for the one with
Speaker 1: the more natural ingredients. And you also should look at
Speaker 1: the sugar content as well, because if all of that
Speaker 1: crazy burst of energy is just because you're chocking yourself
Speaker 1: full of heaps of sugar and heaps of artificial ingredients,
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily something you want to do. If
Speaker 1: it's a natural high from cafe and natural ingredients and
Speaker 1: there's not too much sugar or no sugar in there,
Speaker 1: that's definitely going.
Speaker 2: To be a better option.
Speaker 1: It so, Kate, I hope I wasn't sitting on the
Speaker 1: fence too much with that one. The pre workout question
Speaker 1: really is an interesting one. Anyone else that's got any
Speaker 1: questions I'd love to hear from you, please send them in.
Speaker 1: There's a link in the show notes. And of course
Speaker 1: I'll be back on Monday for another motivational moment, and
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you guys soon.