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Speaker 1: But yesterday, of course, the Northern Territory's newest police commissioner

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Speaker 1: was announced Michael Murphy. After acting in the role for

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Speaker 1: a little while, he has now been formally appointed as

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Commissioner and CEO of Fire and

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Speaker 1: Emergency Services. The appointment has been welcomed by the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Association and joining me in the studio is

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association President Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katy, and good morning

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Speaker 2: to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously the Association police with this announcement yesterday, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Definitely we welcome the appointment of the obviously the commissioner.

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Speaker 4: He's been doing a remarkable job over the last three

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Speaker 4: or four months for us a's commissioner of the Police.

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Speaker 4: It'll be good to actually get him and get his

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Speaker 4: teeth into the issues that we're facing.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon the biggest issues are right now?

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Speaker 3: I mean morale.

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Speaker 1: Numbers, they're the kinds of things that pop up in

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Speaker 1: my head. But what are the biggest issues right now?

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Speaker 2: They're the points we raise all the time.

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Speaker 4: Katie and your list has obviously heard it over and

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Speaker 4: over again a nauseum that we're struggling for resources, and

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Speaker 4: that's a fact. This is obviously discussed at our conference

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Speaker 4: last week in relation to resources, not only physical but

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Speaker 4: also obviously the property side of things as well, such

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Speaker 4: as stations and housing for our offices and these remote communities.

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Speaker 4: These are the issues that the Commissioner has been willing

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Speaker 4: to talk to about and we're obviously providing a constructive

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Speaker 4: and very positive relationship between us and our union.

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Speaker 1: And as I say, it seems like a good announcement yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It does seem as though mister Murphy has the support

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Speaker 1: not only of the association but the force.

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Speaker 3: Is that the sentiment that you've got.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, a lot of members and a lot of

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Speaker 4: ex members have contacted us over over the last couple

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Speaker 4: of days as well to show this support behind mister Murphy. Again,

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Speaker 4: he's got the members at the forefront. He's obviously considerate

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Speaker 4: of all the members' health and well being, and he'll

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Speaker 4: do that going forward.

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Speaker 1: We are going to catch up with him in about

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes time, so we'll ask him about some of

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Speaker 1: those priorities now that he is permanently in that job.

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Speaker 3: But I do want to ask you, Finny, So I know.

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Speaker 1: That the review was announced yesterday, we've got some further

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Speaker 1: detail on the review and of exactly how it's sort

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Speaker 1: of going to work. Who's going to be leading that review,

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Speaker 1: and it's the former NT Police officer and NT Police

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Speaker 1: Association president, Vince Kelly who's going to be leading the review.

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Speaker 3: Is that a good appointment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Katy.

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Speaker 4: We're happy for obviously the appointment of him onto the

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Speaker 4: chair of the review panel. I've had discussion for him

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Speaker 4: over the last few weeks in relation to obviously him

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Speaker 4: coming on board and obviously conducting that resource allocation review.

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Speaker 4: I'm keen to meet with him obviously when he gets

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Speaker 4: on the ground here in the Northern Territory. From our

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Speaker 4: from the Act to say, yeah, right, and look forward

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Speaker 4: to having that robust and obviously honest conversation about where

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Speaker 4: our members are and what our members actually.

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Speaker 1: Need now in terms of the scope of that review

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Speaker 1: and exactly what it's going to look into. Kate Warden,

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Speaker 1: the Police Minister certainly saying to us yesterday that it's

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Speaker 1: something that she'd consulted you about.

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Speaker 3: Is that the case again.

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Speaker 4: Katie, Well, I've had discussions with the government about this

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Speaker 4: terms of reference. You've heard me on this radio prayer,

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Speaker 4: You've heard me on the media saying that we needed

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Speaker 4: this resource allocation review. I commend the government for bringing

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Speaker 4: that forward and making it possible and making it happen. Again,

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Speaker 4: I provide information in what I wanted to see on

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Speaker 4: the terms of reference. Again, the government saying that I've

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Speaker 4: been consulted all the way through. I'm not aware of

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Speaker 4: what's going on. I haven't seen the terms of reference

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Speaker 4: until the night before the media launch, Okay. And the

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Speaker 4: only reason I contacted that and got word of that

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Speaker 1: Right, So you found out about that terms of reference

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Speaker 4: The announcement that was coming forward. They wanted to announce

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Speaker 3: You, So was that with the Chief Minister or the

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Speaker 4: With the chief of staff, with the chief Minister's chief

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Speaker 4: that day and actually called.

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Speaker 1: Me and so, did you like, have you got the

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Speaker 1: level of detail that you sort of that you were after?

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Speaker 1: And do the terms of reference include what the association

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Speaker 4: Again, very hard at the eleventh hour Caatie to put

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Speaker 4: to the terms of reference at that point. Again, I

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Speaker 4: didn't have time to consult my executive team and also

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Speaker 4: the members of the Northern Territory Police Force about what

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Speaker 4: they'd really like to see and that would have been

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Speaker 4: obviously beneficial to us, and to go out to the

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Speaker 4: issues they face every day.

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Speaker 1: Are I guess, to play Devil's advocate, it may have

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Speaker 3: Would that be the case.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather slow things down, Catie and get it right

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Speaker 4: obviously coming ahead of us. It's a very important review.

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Speaker 4: There's one that hasn't done for eleven years, Katie, into

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Speaker 4: our resource allocation and we're well and truly overdue. And

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Speaker 4: to kick and fight like I've had to to get

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Speaker 4: this review to be undertaken has been.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been listening.

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Speaker 4: They've basically been forced into a corner to make a

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Speaker 1: Now, I guess you know, the good thing is that

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Speaker 3: We you know, give or take.

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Speaker 1: The fact that there there has or hasn't been the

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Speaker 3: Is now going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Are you confident that it's going to delve into all

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Speaker 1: indeed those numbers.

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Speaker 4: I'm cautious, cautiously optimistic in relation to what we're going

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Speaker 4: to receive out of the obviously the resource allocation review.

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Speaker 4: But I know and them as members today are struggling

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Speaker 4: with the resources we're currently got. The issue is there

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Speaker 4: today in six months time, it's something going to be

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Speaker 2: We need to have some change now, we need to

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Speaker 4: Into the future, and obviously that'll dictate obviously how government's

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Speaker 4: look forward to that, but again it's going to highlight

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Speaker 4: the issues and the failures of the successing governments in

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Speaker 1: March twenty twenty four is when it's going to be complete.

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Speaker 1: We've been told that it is going to be made public.

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Speaker 1: How important is it do you think that that happens?

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Speaker 1: You know, in the prompt manner? Is that enough time?

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Speaker 4: Firstly, it's important to be to realist publicly because identifies

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Speaker 4: all the issues across the Northern Territory and how we're

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Speaker 4: struggling to obviously meet demand. The demand out there is

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Speaker 4: they are. But our resources in relation to the demand

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Speaker 4: of currently policing demands here in the Northern Territory, we

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Speaker 4: haven't got enough resources.

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Speaker 2: That's been well known.

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Speaker 4: And for some comments made in the media in relation

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Speaker 4: or away from the work. That's obviously that's not correct.

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Speaker 4: These members have legitimate claims. They've been damaged by the

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Speaker 4: recovery from those injuries.

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Speaker 1: Are you confident the work that is now underway in

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Speaker 1: terms of that well being? Is it enough at this

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Speaker 2: It needs to go further, Katie.

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Speaker 4: Our members are screaming for help out there, and members

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to catch up, as I said,

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Speaker 1: in relation to some of those legislative changes. Now, one

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Speaker 1: of those was the Northern Territory Police Association wanting to

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Speaker 1: see new legis which makes actions such as posting videos

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Speaker 3: Have you had any update on that.

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Speaker 1: Does it sound as though that's something that the Northern

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Speaker 4: Katie, I don't believe that the government works that quickly,

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Speaker 4: but I obviously did announce that at conference last week.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's a serious concerns that we have for our members.

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Speaker 4: And obviously using a vehicle to weaponize against our members,

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Speaker 4: which they have done on a number of occasions. We'd

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Speaker 3: Deserve now interestingly or not interestingly.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, overnight we also saw this group of youths and

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Speaker 1: but then fled after being interrupted by the owner. Triedent

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Speaker 1: traffic and General Duties as well as the dog squad

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Speaker 1: have set up. They set up a cordon and stopped

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Speaker 1: the car using tire spikes, arresting the occupants all after

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Speaker 1: a bit of a chase this morning at about seven am.

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Speaker 1: Just another example, I guess of some of the works

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Speaker 1: that the Territory Police have to do, but quite often

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Speaker 1: dangerous work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely dangerous work.

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Speaker 4: Dangerous work day and night, no matter where they are,

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Speaker 4: and they're struggling to get the resource to meet that

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Speaker 4: called out to assist. The General Duties didn't have enough

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Speaker 1: Nathan finn I always appreciate your time. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having a chat with us this morning. And let's hope

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Speaker 1: that this review. I know it's going to be quite

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Speaker 1: a large body of work, but I really hope that

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Speaker 1: it does go well. It delves right into some of

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Speaker 1: the resourcing issues that we've got right now, and he's

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Speaker 1: able to help our force, and I think that that's

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Speaker 1: what the whole community really wants to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Katty.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, before I finished, I'd just like to mention that, obviously,

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Speaker 4: the issues I raise are beyond my members. They are

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Speaker 4: raised every day with me. They're passionate about what they do,

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Speaker 4: they're passionate about the support they deserve. Let's just say

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Speaker 4: the issues that I raise publicly are not personal from me.

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Speaker 4: They're from our members that need that support, and they're

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Speaker 4: calling out for that support, and I'm there to support

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Speaker 4: them with whatever they need.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got a job to do, right, You're appointed

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Speaker 1: to the job, and your job is to represent those members.

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Speaker 3: And just remind us how what.

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Speaker 1: Percentage of the Northern Territory Police Force are members of

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Speaker 1: the association.

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Speaker 4: So at this stage, from last records, as ninety eight

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Speaker 4: point three percent of our members are members of our association,

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Speaker 4: and they're the members I represent. I'm daily in, day out,

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Speaker 4: no matter what time of the day or night, we're

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Speaker 4: there to support them, and I believe that my majority

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Speaker 4: know we've got their back no matter what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Finn, thank you very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie and Finny. It is not Flinny.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure whether that was a slip of the

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Speaker 1: tongue this morning by Brent Potter or but I did

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Speaker 1: correct him.

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Speaker 3: But thanks mate.

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Speaker 2: Too easy, Thank you