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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, I woke up from afternoon snooze to the

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Speaker 2: news about Alec Baldwin. We just caught up with Alec Baldwin.

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Speaker 2: How long ago was It was just like a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: We had a check with him. It's a it's a

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Speaker 3: terrible tragedy. Let's not forget. A woman was killed and

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Speaker 3: I was a terrible tragedy for Alec Baldwin. But he

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Speaker 3: accidentally fired a gun that killed the cinematographer Helena Hutchins

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Speaker 3: and also injured the director.

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Speaker 2: And it was just and we just spoke to him. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's your real name, Jonesy, Yeah, that's it. I'm like Prince.

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Speaker 2: I got rid of the first part years of commercial radio.

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Speaker 2: Wore my first name away. It actually is Brendan.

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Speaker 3: And I know the bane of your life is being

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Speaker 3: called alex You can even have the most simple, beautiful,

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Speaker 3: classic name Alec and the people still stuff it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is that the word? They stuff it up?

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Speaker 3: They stuff it up?

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Speaker 1: I love it no way. When I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: my father.

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Speaker 4: Was Alec, and my name is Alexander, and my family

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Speaker 4: called me Xander. That was my name my whole life.

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Speaker 4: And when I went into show business, they said what's

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Speaker 4: your name? And I said, people call me alex my

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Speaker 4: family calls me Xander. And the two producers were kind

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Speaker 4: of staring at me in this very archway, and they went, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I said, well, my dad's name is Alec Baldman. They said,

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's your name. That's your name from now on.

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Speaker 4: So whatever name we write on this contract, and whatever

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Speaker 4: name we go to the union and register you for

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Speaker 4: the union.

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Speaker 1: And you join the union. That's sure.

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Speaker 4: They've impressed on me the importance of once you choose

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Speaker 4: your name, that's your name.

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people have to take a different

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Speaker 1: name because that name is taken.

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Speaker 4: And your name is like Bobby Bobby Simpson and there's

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Speaker 4: another Bobby Simpson. You have to become Bobby Simpson with

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Speaker 4: an ie or somebody. You have to change it because

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Speaker 4: there's somebody has that name of the union. So I

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Speaker 4: took the name Alec Baldwin was my dad's name, and

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Speaker 4: they said that's it. Once you sign this paper, that's it.

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Speaker 2: You know, your life spins on the head of his pen.

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Speaker 2: So that was probably about two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: We had that chain, you know, it's it's a it's

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Speaker 3: a terrible thing. And Helena's husband and family have said

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Speaker 3: we in no way hold Alec responsible, but this will

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Speaker 3: be life changing for him. What seems to have happened

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Speaker 3: here is there was a gun was put The pet

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Speaker 3: armorer says, here's the gun. The prop guns. The assistant

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Speaker 3: director picks it up. He's told that's a cold gun.

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Speaker 3: He gives it to Alec, who says and says, this

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Speaker 3: is a cold gun. Alec fires at the camera and

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Speaker 3: inadvertently there's something that obviously it is not a cold gun,

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Speaker 3: and the camera woman and the director is killed and

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Speaker 3: the director standing behind her is injured. I don't understand

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Speaker 3: the difference between live bullets and blanks, because you can

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Speaker 3: still be killed with a blank, can't. But here they're

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Speaker 3: thinking there might be some live ammo because apparently they're

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Speaker 3: saying now the TMZ or TMZ is reporting that the

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Speaker 3: gun was more than a prop. It was allegedly used

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Speaker 3: by the crew members for target practice away from the set,

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Speaker 3: using real bullets. So there's been some confusion as to

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Speaker 3: where what was inside that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of actors and directors that don't like using

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Speaker 2: so they've got prop guns that actually look like the

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Speaker 2: real thing, but they can't actually fire a bullet. They

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Speaker 2: just but they want the recoil and all that sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: The authenticity and is that a blank?

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Speaker 2: And so they put a blank in it, So this

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Speaker 2: old cult that they were using, that's an actual gun gun,

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Speaker 2: but it's.

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Speaker 3: But a blank has propulsion.

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Speaker 2: But well, blank's just got wadding. It doesn't have a projectile.

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Speaker 2: It's just got wadding. I don't know any about guns,

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Speaker 2: but it's for my understanding. So with Brandon Lee when

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Speaker 2: he died, that was to say, like a bit of

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Speaker 2: the wadding came out and he killed him. So you

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Speaker 2: have you got a blank gun and held it to

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Speaker 2: your head, and you know you wouldn't do that. There's

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Speaker 2: been stories of people playing Russian will, let you know,

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Speaker 2: mucking around with blanks, and they've killed themselves with the

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Speaker 2: blankers have held the gun at their head. But it

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Speaker 2: just says to me just America's cavalier attitude towards guns.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: And there's nineteen four hundred and forty shooting in America

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, and out of that one percent were

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Speaker 2: accidental shooting. So as one hundred and ninety people were

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Speaker 2: killed accidentally.

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Speaker 3: But when it's interesting you say that though, is that

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Speaker 3: America has a cavalier attitude to guns. But on sets

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Speaker 3: this doesn't happen. And that's why I saw a tweet

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Speaker 3: yesterday someone saying, my seventeen year old daughter just said,

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Speaker 3: if one person dies from a prop gun in a movie,

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Speaker 3: everyone talks about safety relentlessly. A mass shooting in a school,

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Speaker 3: that's no big deal. The difference between trying to accidentally

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Speaker 3: accidentally killing someone and going in with intent because that

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Speaker 3: casual attitude does not normally exist on film sets. There

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Speaker 3: has been some discussion that the woman who was the

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Speaker 3: head armorer here, she grew up in a family with

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Speaker 3: her dad, was one of Hollywood's big armorers. I think

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Speaker 3: apparently some of the crew on the set of this

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Speaker 3: movie walked out on Thursday morning in a row over

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Speaker 3: safety and long hours, so there was some dissatisfaction there.

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Speaker 3: But she was relatively new to this, wasn't she.

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Speaker 2: That's right? And she said this said an interview about

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Speaker 2: another movie she was in.

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Speaker 5: I just finished up working on The Old Way with

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Speaker 5: Nicholas Cage, his very first Western, and it was also

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Speaker 5: my first time being had armored.

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Speaker 1: As well, and how was that?

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Speaker 5: You know, I was really nervous about it at first,

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Speaker 5: and I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't

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Speaker 5: sure if I was ready, But doing it like it

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Speaker 5: went really smoothly.

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Speaker 3: God, you know, he wouldn't wish this on anybody. This

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Speaker 3: is just terrible all round.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's donation