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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Daily OS. It is Friday,

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Speaker 1: the twentieth of May. I hope you had a good

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Speaker 1: sleep and you're having a sunny start to the morning.

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Speaker 1: We are nearly twenty four hours away from polls being open.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you're listening to this podcast after nine am,

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Speaker 1: you're now within the twenty four hour period. Very exciting

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Speaker 1: times here at TDAHQ. We just came back from doing

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Speaker 1: an awesome politics in the pub in Melbourne. Another two

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Speaker 1: hundred people crammed into a pub to talk about political literacy.

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Speaker 1: Pretty amazing. Zara. Today we're going to have the last

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Speaker 1: deep dive with Tom Crowley and we're going to discuss

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Speaker 1: the ULARUS statement from the hearsh But before we do, Zara,

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Speaker 1: what is making headlines for the last day before the election.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like we're not going past Saturday on this podcast,

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Speaker 2: but I promise we are. So today's news the biggie

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Speaker 2: is that yesterday Labor announced its costings, so the cost

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Speaker 2: estimates for its election policies. It comes after the Coalition

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Speaker 2: announced its costings earlier in the week, and we know

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Speaker 2: now that Labour's election promises include eighteen point nine billion

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the unemployment rate fell to three point nine percent

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Speaker 1: in April, according to the Australian six. The rate is

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Speaker 1: the lowest result since August nineteen seventy four. Underemployment also

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Speaker 1: fell from six point three percent to six point one percent,

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Speaker 2: There were some massive news out of New South Wales

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Speaker 2: yesterday with the passage of the Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill

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Speaker 2: passing the state's parliament. A person will be eligible to

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Speaker 2: access voluntary assisted dying if they have a terminal illness,

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Speaker 2: will die within six months, and have the capacity to

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Speaker 2: make the decision voluntarily and without duress.

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Speaker 1: And your Friday good news. The US Soccer Federation has

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Speaker 1: guaranteed that players in the US men's and women's soccer

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Speaker 1: teams will receive equal pay when competing in international matches

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Speaker 1: and competitions. This has taken almost six years for an

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Speaker 1: agreement to be formed, after five female players submitted an

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Speaker 1: official complaint in twenty sixteen. This current arrangement will be

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Speaker 1: in place until at least twenty twenty eight joined today

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Speaker 1: on this Sunny Friday by Tom Crowley, political journalist from

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Speaker 1: The Daily Os, for the last installment of our Election

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Speaker 1: Cheat Cheat series, presented by the Judith Nilsen Institute for

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Speaker 1: Journalism and Ideas. Tom, what a week. You've had a

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Speaker 1: bit of a podcast work out this week? I have,

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Speaker 1: I really have. Today we're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: the Ulurus Statement from the Heart. Firstly, wanting to give

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Speaker 1: us a rundown of what this is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Ullaru Statement from the Heart was a

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Speaker 3: statement that was developed by two hundred and fifty First

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Speaker 3: to offer I guess a path forward for firstly for

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Speaker 3: As I say, it was made in twenty seventeen. Five

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Speaker 3: So the first step is enshrining a First nation's voice

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Speaker 1: Tom, what do you think about the role that indigenous

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's been a fairly minor role. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Where do you see the state of play right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it being over. First of all, Sam,

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Speaker 3: I think it's been a frustrating sort of a campaign

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Speaker 1: And how are you going to be spending election day

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Speaker 3: So I'll be with you, of course, Sam and a

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Speaker 1: this campaign. Hope you've enjoyed it. If you're needing to

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Speaker 1: catch up on some episodes of No silly questions over

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Speaker 1: on our other podcast feed. It's a really good handy guide,

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Speaker 1: especially looking at things like, you know, what is the

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Speaker 3: It's a good resource, and I should say if you're

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Speaker 3: Instagram page. We've had posts about issues like women's safety,

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Speaker 3: foreign policy, and Integrity Commission, a number of other issues

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Speaker 3: that we've highlighted on the page, and you can see

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Speaker 3: the comparisons laid out in the straightforward way as we

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Speaker 3: can manage. So check that out too. If you want

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Speaker 3: to keep yourself informed before your head into the booth

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Speaker 1: Have a democracy sausage, take someone with you who doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to vote, and until then we'll speak to you

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Speaker 1: on Monday