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Speaker 1: If you want to know what's happening on the local

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Speaker 1: political landscape, Kaye Wolf has it covered on three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Every one is listening Mixed one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 1: Now you may or may not be aware, but we've

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Speaker 1: vice chancellor, Scott Bowman AO. Good morning to you, scottsh

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic to be Yeah, great.

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Speaker 1: To have you in the studio. And well, I believe

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Speaker 1: it's day eight on the job.

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Speaker 3: Yep, day eight, so looking forward to the day and

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Speaker 3: actually a day of low humidity which is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Glorious weather we call this. And I know that you've

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Really, our home base is seeing Cans, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now, Scott, tell us a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: where you have come from, and I guess you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I was Deputy Vice Chancellor International and Services

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's great to have you here. I know

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Speaker 3: Look, I think a real feature of my career up

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Speaker 3: It's really an unknown gem in some ways Charles Darwin University,

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you see c DOU really moving forward

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the moment, we are faring pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Now on those on the recruitment of those international students.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, I know that late last week you were

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Speaker 3: How incredible? I think we own the biggest hole that

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Speaker 1: Now, what is your ultimate goal upon taking on this

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Speaker 3: We've particularly around vocational education. We have got to do

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Speaker 3: We want to be a university which has real national

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory deserves an absolutely incredible, fantastic university. I think

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Speaker 3: it's got a good university now, but I think we

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Speaker 1: Well, Charles Darwin University's new Vice Chancellor, Scott Bowman Io.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio this morning. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for the chat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really great meeting with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you