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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Well.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is a surfing champion who led the

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Speaker 2: charge in professional female surfers making it in a male

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Speaker 2: dominated world. And there's a new film called Girls Can't

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Speaker 2: Surf in which she documents the challenges extraordinary women overcame

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Speaker 2: to be taken seriously on the waves and just in

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Speaker 2: time for International Women's Day, Pab Barridge, Hello, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, it's Happy International Room Day.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a what an incredible path you've had. I mean,

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Speaker 2: looking at Puberty Blues, which was me looking at people

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Speaker 2: at the beach, girls weren't allowed on the waves and

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Speaker 2: it was seen as weird. This was your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Puberty Blues was the worth first documentary, was it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Real, we lived in the a But yeah, now Girls

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Speaker 1: Can't surft out to fill in the.

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Speaker 3: Gaps because in the sixties girls did surf. But then

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Speaker 3: somewhere along the way line, this toxic masculinity seemed to

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Speaker 3: come into the waves.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I think I've a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, things happening in the world. The sixties, that

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Speaker 1: Summer of Love and all the surfing was done. Looked

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Speaker 1: from the gidget movies, it's massive boom, and then I

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Speaker 1: guess that generation got old, other boys got shorter, and

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Speaker 1: then yeah, things got really seriously localized and quite aggressive,

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Speaker 1: super hierarchy in the water, maybe as a result of

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Speaker 1: that overcrowding of the sixties, but yes, it turned into

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Speaker 1: top dog rules, and those top dogs were blokes, and

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Speaker 1: there wasn't much room for women or anyone with any

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Speaker 1: different diversity.

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Speaker 2: Actually, because I know that there's been such disparity until

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Speaker 2: recent years in the prize money, but I wasn't aware

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Speaker 2: you weren't even allowed to surf on their waves in competitions.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean there's lots of places that you

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Speaker 1: were told you couldn't surf. But we were fighting for

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Speaker 1: our place on the World Tour all the time, So

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Speaker 1: the guys were often thinking that any extra prize money

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Speaker 1: when going to the women was coming directly out of

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Speaker 1: their pocket, regardless of the sponsorble on you. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had lots of little I was along the way

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Speaker 1: that just felt and it felt like it was what now,

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Speaker 1: what now? We just want to be prosed like you guys,

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Speaker 1: and professional services live our dream and they make this work.

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Speaker 1: I build a tour And yeah, anyway, it was struggle,

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Speaker 1: but it was fun too, you like, don't get us wrong.

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Speaker 1: We did what we loved and had a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun doing it.

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Speaker 2: But during the competitions, weren't you told, no, well, the

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Speaker 2: surf's great down this end, so that's where the guys

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Speaker 2: will compete. You have to go up the other to

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Speaker 2: the other end of the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever the surf turned bad, put it lightly. Send

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Speaker 1: out the chicks. And from day one, like from board

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Speaker 1: Riders right through with this thing where the girls just

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Speaker 1: get either the very end of the day when it's

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Speaker 1: on sure or and terrible, or just when it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: It just that's always how it's being, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't think twice about it. And the worst one

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Speaker 1: was really when there was only a few girls for

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Speaker 1: the state titles, and because they were going to go

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Speaker 1: to the nationals, they drew straws to the women winners.

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Speaker 1: There's also the levels of struggles for the winners. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter who wins, they we'll just send you off

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Speaker 1: to mash Oh. So yeah, there's lots of stuff like

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Speaker 1: that that we sort of rebounded against and just formed

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Speaker 1: that flight.

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Speaker 3: So but looking back now, surfing now has become very inclusive,

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Speaker 3: hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, on any given day there's often more girls

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Speaker 1: and boys in the water and writing, all different sorts

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Speaker 1: of craft and different body shapes and abilities, you know,

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Speaker 1: more accessible hopefully. So yeah, it's it's yeah, it's come

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Speaker 1: a long way, it's for sure.

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Speaker 2: The modern surfer, the female surfer, earns good money on

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Speaker 2: the circuit. How do you feel having come through an

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Speaker 2: era when none of that was available to you?

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm really proud to be part of the fight

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Speaker 1: that brought it to where it is now. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: to get a bit jealous when they win one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, but and just I hope they don't

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Speaker 1: take it for granted, and they can't now. I think

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Speaker 1: they see where it's come from, you know. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the elite level is super elite now too. It's

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Speaker 1: so fun to watch and compete and push the sport,

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Speaker 1: and people will be hungry for that money, piece of

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Speaker 1: that that prize pool. Those peoples coming up are going

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Speaker 1: to be They're going to be tough. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be great to watch.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they could sling you a few bucks, hey, you know, Pam, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you never know. Trailblazer.

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Speaker 1: There you go on the back on the Tucker Cold,

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Speaker 1: on your pancak.

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Speaker 3: Here's the cake of wax.

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Speaker 2: He's a chick roll.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pam, it's great to talk to you. Girls. Can't

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Speaker 3: Serve is in cinemas this week, March eleven, to be precise. Pam,

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Speaker 3: it's a treat to talk to you. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me and go see the movie. Guys,

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's