1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning, and what a morning we've 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: got lined up for you. Joining us in the studio 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: today is the Colp's Murray Claire Boothby, who's the shadow 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: for Tourism and Hospitality and various other portfolios. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Good morning to. 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: You, Good morning, Katy, and good morning listeners. 7 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: We've got Paul Kirby from the Labor Party. Good morning to. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 4: You, Paul Kirby, Katie morning everyone. 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: And Minister for Public Employment of course, small business and 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: wreck fishing. And we've also got Pezia Puric, the independent 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: member for Goider and spokesperson for. 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 5: Everything everything, especially snakes, pickets and. 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Well then we've got back coming morning. I'm sitting there 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: with you in the lefty corner. I'm not sure what's 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: going on there conning. 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 6: This Kezy Epuric development reminds me of when Labour first 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 6: came to power and we had the Assistant Minister for 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 6: assisting the Minister on the assistance of the araf Your games, So. 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 7: What do you reckon? 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: We're giving Kezer just any portfolio victor that you'd like assisting. Well, 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: I tell you what, it has been an incredibly busy week. 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: It's sort of hard to know where to start, but 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: we might go with the situation that we know continues 24 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: on at this point, and that is the COVID situation. 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: One new case was reported yesterday and rock Hole is 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: set to transition into a normal lockdown rather than that 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: hard lockdown. Chief Minister Michael Gunner said that the new 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: case was a teenager from Binjari who was in isolation 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: at the Center for National Resilience. It's unlikely that he 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: was infectious in the community. We do know that wastewater 31 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: testing and virus testing from Rock Hole has both returned negative, 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: promoting well prompting, i should say, the community to transition 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: into that normal lockdown. We also know though that the 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: wastewater results from Bisentennial Road catchment returned a week positive. 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: There was a positive in Martin Place sub catchment and 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: a negative result which was returned in Berrima. I guess 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: we're all waiting to see exactly what happens. A little 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: bit later this morning, I'm assuming a press conference bit 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: after eleven o'clock Curbs. 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, there will be a presser. 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: I haven't had any details this morning, but our hearts 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: go out to everybody in Catherine. We just hope that 43 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: that waste water continues to be negative that we don't 44 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: get any more new cases. 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 8: We really do feel for everybody down there, and we especially. 46 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 4: Feel for all the people that have gone down to 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: help out. It's warm and Darwin, it must be even 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: warmer down there, and to where all that ppe and 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: be stomping around helping people getting food and water out. 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: We really think everybody that's digging in down there. 51 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: It has been bloody harsh and it must be so 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: hot obviously undertaking all of that work. And it's still 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: very early days in terms of knowing whether Catherine is 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: going to be transitioning into sort of more of a 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: lock out situation. Matt, you were at that press conference yesterday. 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Did the chief maness to give a bit further indication 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: as to whether they're going to be transitioning out at 58 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: this point? 59 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 7: He did, I think, just to. 60 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 6: Charles Pain and Michael Gunner seemed to say that they 61 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 6: believe that could happen very quickly if the results continue 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 6: to be positive. It wouldn't mean that lockout would continue 63 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 6: at least December before. I think the data is that 64 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: they've pinted on at the moment. So if you're not vaccinated, 65 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 6: you'd still be effectively locked down other than the five reasons. 66 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 6: But if you are vaccinated, there's still restrictions in place. 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 6: Obviously you'd have to wear a mask, but they could 68 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 6: be moving from bock down to lockout. 69 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it has a big impact on everybody, 70 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: there is no doubt about that. We've caught up quite 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: a few times with Joe Hersey, the local member Murray 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: clear down there in Catherine. 73 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: What are you hearing at this point? 74 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: So what we're hearing from Joe Hurston, of course other 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: members of Catherine is that it is a really tough 76 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: time down there at the moment, and it is really 77 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: difficult to get some really clear information. I noticed that 78 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: in the press conference the government was talking about, you know, 79 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: it potentially being dragged out a bit longer if people 80 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: don't get those vaccination rates up. But then in the 81 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: newspaper today it says it's imminent that it's going to 82 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: open up again. So it's very confusing, and I think 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: it's really important that the government need to be really 84 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: clear on the messaging around this now. 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: Curbs on the things that it does get raised sort 86 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: of time and time again, is the impact that these 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: lockdowns and the lockouts have on businesses, There is no 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: doubt about that. We know that there's plenty of businesses 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: who are doing it incredibly tough in Catherine. 90 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: At this point, I understand. 91 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: That there has been an announcement made this morning when 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: it comes to some of the well that emergency payment 93 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: situation and extending it. 94 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, and we do feel for all the businesses 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 4: down there. We know it's a tough time when you 96 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 4: have to shut your doors, and particularly in the lead 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: up to Christmas, it's not a great. 98 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 8: Situation for anybody. 99 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 4: So we certainly have recognized people that have been businesses 100 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: that have been locked down for longer periods of time. 101 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 4: So it'll be a weekly payment for those that earn 102 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: over seventy five thousand and up to two million, it's 103 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: still that thousand dollar payment. From two million turnover to 104 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: five million is a two thousand dollar payment per week, 105 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 4: and from five million to ten million is now a 106 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: four thousand dollar payment a week. So we encourage people 107 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 4: to reach out. We've got small business Champions that will 108 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: help people through that. We've got people at the Department 109 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: of Business that will certainly help people and understand how 110 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: they have to apply for that, but we just want 111 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 4: to recognize, you know, we know that it's not going 112 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: to replace everything that people lose. Just helps paying the rent, 113 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: It helps pay in the power bills. That helps people 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: get back up and running and restock when they do 115 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: get the opportunity to which will hopefully be very very soon. 116 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that. 117 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 1: Like I said, I know, it's been such tough going. 118 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: And I tell you what, throughout the week, one of 119 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: the things that really hasn't helped in any way, shape 120 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: or form was these claims which were being made on 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: social media, some incredibly serious and outright wrong, that people 122 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: were being held down and vaccinated against their will. There 123 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: were claims that the ADF was taking children from their families. 124 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: It was pretty disgusting what was being pedled. 125 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: Clayton lies, I mean with the and we're all pretty 126 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 5: sure where it started, but it's gone obviously around the world. 127 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 5: The members here, Mary Claire and Paul no and myself 128 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: we got bombarded with emails from people from god knows where. 129 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: You know. 130 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: They weren't they weren't abusive, they weren't obnoxious, but it's 131 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 5: just well some of the ones we got on but 132 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 5: not from the territory, from the territory, none from the territory. 133 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 5: But the other thing, too, Katie, is with the with 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 5: the modern technology we have now, isn't it interesting that 135 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 5: there hasn't been one video of these soldiers or sailors 136 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 5: or airmen held in children down and giving them vaccinations 137 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 5: or putting them into trucks or whatever. Not one video 138 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 5: when we've all got smartphones, even the kids down on 139 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 5: these communities would have smartphones and videos and put on 140 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: TikTok or whatever. That was the point that was made 141 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 5: by the health worker who we know who started this, 142 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: and that person was was reckless in the extreme, and 143 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 5: she should be held to account. I don't know how, 144 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: but she should be held to account. 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 6: Well, can I just add to that, because we know 146 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 6: who you're talking about and watch them and. 147 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: Look, we wanted to fame anyone on here. 148 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 6: But it was outrageous, right, And it was like, if 149 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 6: you watch the videos, you'd have to be insane to 150 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 6: believe them, right, But there's plenty of people who are 151 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 6: sharing them and believing them. If you come from the 152 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 6: Northern Territory knowing what happens here, you would have to 153 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 6: be out of your mind to believe them, But I 154 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 6: don't understand if you or I published that, if you've broadcast, 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 6: if I've published it, you'd be taken off air. 156 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 7: I'd be shut down. 157 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 6: Yet it can be put up on Facebook, and it's 158 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 6: up on Facebook for days and it's still there and 159 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 6: it's been Last time I looked, some of these videos 160 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 6: had been shared more than forty thousand times. They're being 161 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: shared now all over the world. They've obviously tapped into 162 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 6: this sort of nutjob element overseas and they're just sharing 163 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 6: this stuff relentlessly. 164 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 7: I mean, the idea that ADYF. 165 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 6: Personnel will be holding down kids and forcibly injecting them 166 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 6: is absolutely insane and can I have a crack at 167 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 6: another organization? I think that the performance of Amnesty International 168 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 6: where they went out and criticized Defense. I know they 169 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 6: put out a statement this morning apologizing, but it was 170 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 6: absolutely the absolutely reckless, irresponsible, gave weight to the conspiracy 171 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 6: theorists and their madness, and I think Amnesty International needs. 172 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 7: To do more than apologize. 173 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 6: I think the head of Amnesty International needs to front 174 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 6: up today in front of the media and explain exactly 175 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 6: how that happened, because all that did was take a 176 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 6: brand that has a lot of respect and people put 177 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 6: a lot of faith in and added enormous weight to 178 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 6: the madness of the conspiracy. 179 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: And do you know the thing that I can't wrap 180 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: my head around is I've got a fact checked right 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: before I get on air. I've got to make sure 182 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: that I check my facts. So for Amnesty International to 183 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: then not call the likes of Amsant yesterday or whenever 184 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: they decided that they would jump on board and you know, 185 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: share or agree with what was being spread that was 186 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: absolutely untrue. Why not check your facts first? Why not 187 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: call somebody who's on the ground to try and find 188 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: out exactly what the go is Like yesterday morning we 189 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: were on the phone, myself and my producer Dannielle must 190 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: have called you know, five different community groups in Catherine 191 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: and further Afield, trying to work out exactly what the 192 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: situation was before we got on air. 193 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 6: And if you want to have such strident opinions on 194 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 6: what happens in the Northern Territory, as Amnesty International often does, 195 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 6: how about having people based in the Northern Territory. You know, 196 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 6: Amnesty International recently ran a campaign about Northern Territory police 197 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 6: vehicles you know, with absolutely no understanding of what's going 198 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 6: on and why are they these cages? Well, you know, 199 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 6: because it's thirty eight degrees up here. Do you really 200 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 6: want to be, you know, suffocating in some enclosed capsule 201 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 6: like you would in another state. 202 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 7: I mean, it's absolutely absurd. 203 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 6: The other thing, the other point I make about that, Katie, 204 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 6: is you know they issued in that statement they said 205 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 6: the ADF was inflicting trauma. 206 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 7: On these people. 207 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 6: Now we're about to have a Royal commission right into 208 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 6: defense suicides and the mental health of people who work 209 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 6: in the Australian Defense Force. 210 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 7: You know, what does it. 211 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 6: Do to those people who are out there on the 212 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 6: ground working their asses off in extreme heat, horrible conditions 213 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 6: to do the right things for these people, and you 214 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 6: have an organization with the gravitas of Amnesty International saying 215 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 6: that they are inflicting trauma on these people. 216 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 7: Absolutely disgrace and it's literally. 217 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: The IDF is delivering food to people who in need. 218 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: They were, you know, doing a really good thing that can. 219 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: Help the people out. 220 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 5: That's why Amnesty in my view, doesn't have much credibility. 221 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: It's got none and no credibility, particularly up here in 222 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 5: the Northern Territory and I don't even know who these 223 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 5: do goods are. 224 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: As if you want to help out, come here, get 225 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: some boots on the ground, get out in the forty 226 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: eight degree help volunteer to get some food packs and 227 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: some water out to people and help out. But a 228 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: massive thanks to all of the health organizations that have 229 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 4: been out there, but also the people that really stood up, 230 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: and it wouldn't have been easy under those circumstances to 231 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: stand up and counter some of that info that's going out. 232 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: It's a real lesson for all of us about how 233 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: society is going to be moving forward for our kids, 234 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: like how are they going to counter information like that 235 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: when it comes out. It didn't happen when pandemics happened 236 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: many many years ago, So it's something new that we've got, 237 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 4: something new that we've got to deal with as a society, 238 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: and everybody does have to be responsible for their actions. 239 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: Katie. 240 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: I would also argue that, you know, if the communication 241 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: and education surrounding the vaccines were handled properly and effectively 242 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: in the first place, and maybe we wouldn't be having 243 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: all this misinformation out there. And I want to ask 244 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: the Minister while he's here about. For several weeks businesses 245 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: were asking for support about the vaccines, and just recently 246 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: the Department of Business and the Department of Health actually 247 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: put out a really good zoom recording that was a 248 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: panel full of experts, including our show, and it was 249 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: presented in a way that it answered all the really 250 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: difficult questions about the myths around the vaccine, things like 251 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: you know what it means to be double backs versus unvaxxed, 252 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: and the myths around the mr and A and I 253 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 3: found that one video particularly interesting. I've never heard the 254 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: words us that were used by the health professionals, and 255 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: we've been trying to get hold of this video so 256 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: we can somehow circulate this really critical information out there, 257 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: not only to the people in Darwin in business, but 258 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: right across the territory, especially in Catherine and those other communities. Now, 259 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: so Ministry, you know, if you can get hold of 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: this video for us. There was no politicians in this video. 261 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: It was all very measured explaining that there's no mocking 262 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 3: like we've seen. That were really useful. And if we'd 263 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: had had that information right from the very start, I 264 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: don't even know if we'd be having these conversations we're. 265 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 4: Getting information out to the remotest parts of the Northern 266 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: territory is always a challenge, certainly in situations lot this 267 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: we've been talking about for the last six months or 268 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: more about exactly how we get information out. We've had 269 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: health professionals go out, We've had you know, you remember 270 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: back the temperature that the vaccines were being stored at 271 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: was an issue, so we couldn't just get truckloads of 272 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: vaccines out to places. We've got to a stage of 273 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: having vaccines in people's fridges, of people walking door to 274 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: door in different houses, of having messages in language. Will 275 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 4: absolutely continue to do everything we can, but unashamedly has 276 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 4: been a real challenge getting information. And when you see 277 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: misinformation is so easy to spread to how. 278 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: Come the people in the communities do get to hear 279 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: the misinformation but they're not listening to the Chief Minister's 280 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: press conferences every day? Like does that tell you that 281 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: maybe the way that the Chief Minister comes out every 282 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: day instead of a health professional doing it with the 283 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 3: measure of. 284 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: The show standing with him, I think there's health profess 285 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 4: health professional advice coming out at the same time. 286 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 8: How you stop a viral video like that going around 287 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 8: the world. I can't ask, well. 288 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 5: Well, look, Facebook, from the best I can work out, 289 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: chucks people off Facebook quite regularly for being naughty. So 290 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 5: why isn't the anti minister does that? 291 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: Yes, Chief Minster. 292 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: Blocks people at the drop of the hat, so well 293 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: there's but why can't the Anti Government Lodge of an 294 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: official and formal complaint with Facebook to get that video 295 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: taken down? 296 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: No? No, And that's a it is a point were 297 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: worth making. 298 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: But a point that I do really want to make 299 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: is that we know as well that members of the 300 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Binjari and Rock Hole communities did come out. They did 301 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: issue a statement on the Worly Worly Facebook page with 302 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: which I think is very much worth mentioning. Again, we 303 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: know that they had rejected these claims that were made 304 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: on social media that members of the Binjari community were 305 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: being forcibly removed by the Australian Defense Force personnel or 306 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: otherwise mistreated by authorities. In fact, they say in this 307 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: statement that they've been treated with a lot of respect 308 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: and appreciate all the support being given by these support 309 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: personnel people. Now, I think that we also not only 310 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: need to obviously acknowledge that, but acknowledge and you have 311 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: this morning, But the hard work of those different health professionals, ADF, 312 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: the police, everybody that has been out there that has 313 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: been working, as you said, Matt, their asses off to 314 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: try to make sure that people have got food, that 315 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: they've got the support that they need, that they are 316 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: receiving what they need in a very difficult situation. I 317 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: don't know how we change people going rogue on Facebook 318 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: and spreading absolute bullshit, but there has to be a 319 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: way of doing it, because we can't continue on down 320 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: this path if we're going to continue seeing the issues 321 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: that we are with. 322 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: Coder and in many ways Wilfee, even if Facebook shuts 323 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 6: them down, they find another another avenue. These days, I mean, 324 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 6: there's bit shoot all these other ones. 325 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 7: So I mean, you know, it's a fascinating insight into the. 326 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 6: Human mind in many ways that you know, some people 327 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 6: will believe anything regardless. 328 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: Of how if it suits their agenda as well, and 329 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, if it suits what they want to believe. 330 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 5: And I think also, as I've said, I think this 331 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: person needs to be held to account. But it's one 332 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 5: of those situations I think, you know, the fifteen minutes 333 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: of fame and glory. But I think in this situation 334 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: is badly backfired and done a disservice, not only to 335 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 5: the people down in the Castroin and the Rock Hole 336 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: and Minari communities territory generally. 337 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: Well, the sad part is it acts stops our First 338 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: Nations people from believing in the vaccine, and that can 339 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: have some devastating effects. So we just want to make 340 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: sure everybody understands that vaccine is our best way through this. 341 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 8: It's the best way to keep your family safe. 342 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: Please, please, if you've got any queries about it concerns, 343 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: get in touch with health professionals to get the right advice. 344 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 8: Don't listen to Facebook. 345 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: We are going to take a very short break. You 346 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four point nine's three sixty. 347 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: It is the week that was also broadcast on AHA 348 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs. It is just twenty five minutes after 349 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Now I am keen to talk about the 350 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: changes to quarantine, but I do just want to take 351 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: you to a message from Karen and Catherine and it 352 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: says it's so hot please open the pubs So Territory. 353 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 8: Joe Hersy. 354 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: No it's Karen and Catherine. She is a regular She's 355 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: lovely regular show. 356 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 8: Yeah. 357 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Now, now we know that there's been so much happened 358 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: this week that actually changes, but the changes to quarantine 359 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: will they are coming into place, So basically we know 360 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: that those stopping into state arrivals who are not fully 361 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: vaccinated will you're not going to be able to just 362 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: travel freely. But earlier this week on Monday, we saw 363 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: anyone traveling to the territory must be fully vaccinated, regardless 364 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: of where you're traveling from. The we we know that 365 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: from that date the seven day home quarantine for arrivals 366 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: from red zones and then. 367 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: Well a little bit later, what date does it matter. 368 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: I think it's the twentieth of December that we moved 369 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: to no quarantine the testing regime, So that is obviously 370 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: if you double vaccinated. 371 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 7: What the fact you asked me and not the government minister. 372 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: It's just because I'm used to you being an all 373 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: the friends conference. 374 00:17:53,560 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm more than happy for It's just a good 375 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: time to remind people that COVID inta website if you 376 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: have got because a lot of people do come straight 377 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: to different people for queries or go to the media 378 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 4: or whatever. The covid NTA website has got all of 379 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 4: that information and it does get a little bit prescriptive 380 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 4: and there are certain dates involved, but we certainly do 381 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: want to make it easier for people to travel here. 382 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: There has been some announcements recently. We have probably a 383 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: lot of us have got family into state that you 384 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: want to be able to travel and see, actually I've 385 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: got family into state. I see it's Jake's birthday today. 386 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: Can I give him a big shout out? Happy birthday, Jake, 387 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: and hopefully so soon. Yeah, he's been down in Melbourne 388 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: for the last couple of years. 389 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: The thing, it's so hard, isn't it. So many people 390 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen their family. There are lots of us wanting 391 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: to have family come and visit at Christmas time as well. 392 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: So it does give us that certainty, and it's something 393 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: that business has really been calling out for for so. 394 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 5: Long, isn't But it's also the families who, as a 395 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: normal process lead the church to go into State for 396 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 5: Christmas holidays, to go down to be with grandparents and 397 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: relatives and things of that nature. We need the certainty 398 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 5: that they know what happens when they return back to 399 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 5: the northern Territory to people where they've gone. 400 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, and. 401 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: This is why we welcome it as well. Especially can 402 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: be done as safely as safely. 403 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 8: But the problem that I. 404 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: Have, and the challenge I think for all of us, 405 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: is that we have had a history of mixed messaging 406 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: around these quarantine arrangements. I mean, we look at the 407 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: fifty days of Freedom that Michael Gunner announced and that changed, 408 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: and then even our last lockdown and all those arrangements 409 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: changed as well, and I just feel like the goalposts 410 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: do keep changing. And what territorians need right now is 411 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: clear communication and they need that certainty. Those people that 412 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: are from interstate that want to come up and visit, 413 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 3: they need that, and territorians need it as well. Our 414 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: tourism businesses need it, our hospitality businesses need. 415 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 7: It right across the territory. 416 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: So I just urged the government to make sure that 417 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: they stop changing the goalposts and please don't repeat history. 418 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 7: Learn from it, O Katie. 419 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: Just before you go, sorry, Kezier, we sat here this 420 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: time last year saying Merry Christmas to everybody, thanks for 421 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 4: a really tough year, and will never go through another 422 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: year like twenty twenty Well, guess what got more complex 423 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 4: And unfortunately the delta strain did make things more complex, 424 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: so things do have to change. So arrangements have changed, 425 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 4: the necessity for the vaccine became really prominent. The ability 426 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: now to change people's quarantine arrangements to allow for more 427 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: free movement through the territory and through Australia and eventually 428 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: through the globe as well. Things will constantly change. That's 429 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 4: unfortunately the world that we're going to live in. But 430 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: we certainly make no apologies for keeping territory and safety. 431 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: So people that are finding it hard probably hardest is 432 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: those businesses and particularly those in the tourism sector. And 433 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: I do think that by opening up obviously by the 434 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: twentieth of December, it's going to make a big impact. 435 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: I would hope that it means that we are going 436 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: to see more people here and this it will mean 437 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: that some of those businesses that have really been struggling 438 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: and going to find it a bit easier. But as 439 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: we speak, you know, we've got businesses in Catherine who 440 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: are doing it tough due to the current lockdown. 441 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: So I know that no matter you know, no matter how. 442 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: You look at it, this COVID situation has been a 443 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: really tough one, and I take your point on board, 444 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: Mary clear that it has meant that for a lot 445 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: of those businesses just sort of going Okay, where's the goalpost? Okay, 446 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: it's changing now where's the goalpost this time? And I 447 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: get that we've got to be agile, but I just 448 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: think that you know that the impact on a lot 449 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: of people is certainly being felt. 450 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 5: The one area that goes back to communication that Mary 451 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 5: Claire talks about, and I've had an issue with government 452 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 5: and their communication and on this particular subject and across 453 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: the board on it. But I just wish that sometimes 454 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 5: government would ask two questions, what if we do this? 455 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 7: What if? 456 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 5: And the best example I can give is regards to 457 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: the government and Minister for Health saying that if you 458 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 5: have home quarantine you must have four G. Now the 459 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 5: questions should have been asked by someone what if a 460 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 5: property can't get four G? And that's the bulk of 461 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 5: the rule are it's a bit of hit and miss. 462 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 5: Some people have it, some people don't. We have three 463 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 5: G sometimes we don't. And you know the minister said 464 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 5: they would look at Wi FI, Well, they may be 465 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 5: looking at Wi FI, but they've been looking into it 466 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 5: for a long time. And I also suggested they should 467 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 5: be looking at using landlines, like a lot of the 468 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: ruler still has landlines copple wiring because we'll never have NVN, 469 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: so there's still a lot of landlines down there, and 470 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: why couldn't that be sort of looked at. But the 471 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 5: communication they say they're going to do something or they're 472 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: going to look at something, but they don't seem to 473 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 5: come back back to the subject matter unless I raise it. 474 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 5: And happened last week in here when the minister said 475 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 5: there'd be you know, they'd get to me about getting 476 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: information about COVID out in languages to the communities in 477 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 5: the rule there, which are the Cambodians and the Vietnamese 478 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 5: until less extent the ties. But I have had some 479 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 5: feedback because I did take up Kate Warden's offer last 480 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 5: week and I wrote to her and I have got 481 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 5: some information back. Yes they've got in Vietnamese, but there's 482 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 5: no language for Cambodians. Now we've got a big Cambodian community. 483 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: So the question still should be what if we put 484 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 5: this out, have we missed something? And that's where I 485 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 5: think the communication strategy across the board. I don't know 486 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: who's the main controller of it, whether it's the Chief 487 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 5: Minister's office or the department or the Health Department, but 488 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 5: it really is not as cohesive and pulled to YELP 489 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 5: should be in my view. 490 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 4: Just back to the business comment, we absolutely acknowledge how 491 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: tough it is, and because we are streaming into Alice Springs, 492 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: they got hit really hard this year. Particularly they're tourism 493 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: businesses and now it's very very hot down there, so 494 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: they won't attract too many people from interstate now. I 495 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: know that our Tourism Minister is in discussions with the 496 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 4: Federal Tourism and Federal Treasury around how we can repackage 497 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: some of the money that they offered earlier in the 498 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: year to try and get that back out. So hopefully 499 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: we'll have some good news for people down there into 500 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 4: the future. And certainly one of the things that we're 501 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: it's like a risk matrix that you use anytime you 502 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: make a decision. That's come right from the start when 503 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 4: we had to lock our borders. Can we do this 504 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: like physically, can we do this? Can we explain it 505 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 4: to people? Can we get people to abide by this 506 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: and then how do we do it? There's always a 507 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: matrix that you work through and unfortunately with the good 508 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: to go app it does require reasonably be good telecommunications 509 00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: and we'd. 510 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 8: Love to have that right through the territory. It's a 511 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 8: conversation we have called. 512 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: Will happen for those in the rural area, Like if 513 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: they're not able to get four. 514 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: G are they going to be able to home quarantined 515 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: at any point? 516 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: Or if they're vaxed anyway, are they going to once 517 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: we get to that twentieth of December, are they going 518 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: to be able to sort of you know, to travel 519 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: freely like the rest of us. 520 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 6: Well, they've got another hurdle they need to jump first 521 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 6: is their vACC raid. So at the moment in Litchfield, 522 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 6: I don't know. Last time I checked it was only 523 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 6: around fifty percent double vax. So until that's eighty percent 524 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 6: double vax, well, if you want to you know, come 525 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 6: to the Lichfield Shire for me to go. 526 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: It's really good at rolling out communication to to Darwin 527 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: and even greater Darling to a certain extent, but once 528 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: you go past that Palmerston line, the rural area around. 529 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 8: Absolutely it's I don't understand. 530 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: I don't have some communication. 531 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: I don't. 532 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 5: I don't understand why the Rule Air, the Greater Rule 533 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 5: area has a low vaccination rate because I in my travels, 534 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: I don't come across many people. 535 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that aren't vaxed, who aren't vaccinated, and. 536 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 5: Who are a supportive of vaccination, like they're not anti 537 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 5: vaxxis you know this this vaccination or any other vaccination. 538 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 5: There's people out there, of course there is, but there's 539 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: no swaths of them out there. So I don't understand 540 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 5: why it's such a low rate. So I just say 541 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 5: to people, you know, perhaps says a bit in the communities, 542 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 5: the different communities as I've mentioned, you know, the ethnic communities, 543 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: and you know, but I know that they're getting vaccinated. 544 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 5: So I just say to Rule people, you know, if 545 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 5: you've got issues, come and talk to me and I'll 546 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 5: try and help you, you know, go through the Department 547 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: Health department, you know, to get you know that proper advices. 548 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 5: You've got some concerns, and some people do have genuine concerns. 549 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: I think what we've learned out of this most recent 550 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: outbreak is some people just haven't because we haven't had 551 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: COVID here. There hasn't been a necessity, there hasn't been 552 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: that urgency to do it, and hopefully, like we don't 553 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: want to see anybody get hurt out of this outbreak hoastally, 554 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 4: the one thing we can learn is that they're now 555 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 4: is urgency. People have to move around more, that this 556 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 4: disease will travel around. 557 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 5: Talking about the ruler and I'm going to check with 558 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 5: the Minister for Health today. But there was a clinic 559 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 5: out of Kodling, a central shopping center we could go 560 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 5: and get your vaccination. I've been told you yesterday that 561 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 5: that's closing next week. 562 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 7: Now. 563 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 5: I know that's where that man went and jabbed himself there, 564 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 5: but that's no reason to shut the clinic. That was 565 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 5: an anomaly. Yeah, but that clinic apparently is closing now. 566 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: I'm going to find out for the minister why. Because 567 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 5: if you want to make it convenient for real people 568 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 5: to come come to the little ingers just halfway and 569 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 5: not have to go all the way into. 570 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: Tennis, let us know how you go with that. 571 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: Keys. You know, we will take a very short break 572 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: when we come back. I'm keen to talk about this 573 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: public service pay bonus or is ash we'll find out 574 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: more in just a couple of moments. 575 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: The most listen to our in Territory radio. 576 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: It is just a couple of minutes away from ten o'clock. 577 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: We have not got much time left, but very quickly. Obviously, 578 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: we know that we've got an extra public holiday this year. Obviously, 579 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Boxing Day has been declared a public holiday in the territory. 580 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: It basically means that under the Northern Territory legislation, if 581 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: Boxing Day falls on a weekend, the following Monday is 582 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: designated to public holiday instead. But once again this year, 583 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: the government has decided to deem that December twenty sixth 584 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: an additional public holiday. 585 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: It Obviously, if. 586 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: You're an employee, like when I was a youngster in 587 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: my uni years working in retail, I would have absolutely 588 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: loved it, But not so much obviously for the businesses 589 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: that are having to foot the bill. Kirby, what are 590 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: those businesses telling you, Oh, We've done. 591 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 4: A lot of work over the last eight months working 592 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 4: with businesses to try and make sure we get grants out. 593 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 8: To them to keep them open. 594 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 4: We know that keeping their workforce is a big problem 595 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 4: that they have as well. We also know that recognizing 596 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: that if people have to work on Boxing Day, particularly 597 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 4: in the territory, if you have to leave your family 598 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 4: and go to work, why should you not be recompensed 599 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 4: for that, the same as people are in the State. 600 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 4: One of the big bits of feedback that we have 601 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 4: had from the Chamber of Commerce is, you know, we 602 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 4: want this ledgis, if you're going to do it, we 603 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 4: want this legislated so people know. So that's certainly something 604 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 4: that we'll look at doing into the future to make 605 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 4: sure there's a clearer direction for people further out. 606 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 6: You get that, You get that on the Boxing Day 607 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 6: public holiday though, don't you on the twenty eighth, Is 608 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 6: that right? 609 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 610 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 6: So on the twenty seventh, My understanding is Christmas Day 611 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 6: is you know everyone has a day off. 612 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 7: Yep. 613 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 6: Boxing Day, the twenty sixth, which is now a Sunday 614 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 6: but it's now public holiday, is public holiday rates. Then 615 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 6: Monday is the Christmas Day holiday, which is now public 616 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 6: holiday rates, and then Tuesday is the Boxing. 617 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 7: Day holiday, which is public holiday rates. 618 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: I might go get a casual job over Christmas. 619 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 4: Which is exactly the same way that it plays out 620 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 4: in the state and. 621 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 7: In the public service. 622 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 9: You get three days offs so can I just add 623 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 9: to that though, I mean hospitality are the ones that 624 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 9: have been impacted the most with this change and having 625 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 9: this additional public holiday. 626 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 3: And I found it really interesting that both the Chief 627 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: Minister and the Minister for Small businessing beside me were 628 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: at the Hospitality and President's luncheon earlier this week, and 629 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: they kept it a secret the whole time, through the. 630 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 8: Whole event, and then that night the Antin. 631 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: News published the story about the Boxing Day holiday, and 632 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: I just fout it incredible that they weren't. They didn't 633 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: have the guts to front them at that event and 634 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: they waited. 635 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 4: We absolutely have the guts to front anyone anytime. 636 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: No. 637 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 8: Exactly much of anyone else. Can I say two quick 638 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 8: things a different note before we finish up. Likes a 639 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 8: festival like, thank you for everybody and all the businesses 640 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 8: that have locked in behind that. 641 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 4: And and the wind up is on Sunday on the 642 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: new beautiful lawns out the front of Parliament House. 643 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a big poker up already culminates. 644 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: It's the wind up. I thought there was something else 645 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: the culmination. I've eaten plenty of lucks. I don't worry about. 646 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 8: That and the other thing. Just to quick shout out 647 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 8: to Savann. 648 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 4: Who was the wonderful young woman from Go that won 649 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: the Northern Territories or the National Apprentice. 650 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: Of the Year. 651 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a fantastic very very well. 652 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: Done Originalori, very well done Katy. 653 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: I've just got one quick, very great well. You know 654 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 5: last week I said how I had these people staying 655 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 5: at my place and they wouldn't leave. Well, I've got 656 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 5: the message and the memo now and they're bolting. 657 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: So by Lynnen Mao. Thank you so much for your 658 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: time this morning. 659 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 8: Much for having me on. Have a great weekend everybody. 660 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: You too. Paul Kurty, thank you so much. 661 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: Thanks Judy Keisi a peric, thank you for your time. 662 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: And Matt Cunningham, thank you. 663 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 7: Thanks Kurty. 664 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you. 665 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: Again very soon. You are listening to Mix one O 666 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: four point nine is three sixty