WEBVTT - TNC Review: Kefir

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Cusiburrow and Emile and Wood, and we are two illustrators,

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<v Speaker 1>leading dieticians bringing you the Nutrition Couch podcast bi weekly

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, and the first product on our

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<v Speaker 1>list to review is kefia. So today we have chosen

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<v Speaker 1>two popular varieties of keffea to chat about now in

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<v Speaker 1>case you are not familiar, Kefia is a fermented drink

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<v Speaker 1>which is made traditionally using cow's milk or goat's milk,

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<v Speaker 1>and they make it by adding a kefia grain to milk.

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<v Speaker 1>These are actually cereal grains as we traditionally think of grains,

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<v Speaker 1>but colon Le's of east and lactic acid bacteria that

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<v Speaker 1>are a little bit like a cauliflower in appearance, and

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<v Speaker 1>over a period of time, the microorganisms in the keffea

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<v Speaker 1>grains multiply and ferment the sugars in the milk, turning

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<v Speaker 1>it into keffea. And the reason that we like it

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<v Speaker 1>as dieticians so much is that we know that these

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<v Speaker 1>probiotic microorganisms in the product are so so good for

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<v Speaker 1>our gut health. So two of the brands that we've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen you will be very familiar with. The first is

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<v Speaker 1>the Culture Company's Kefia, which is sold in a two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred gram bottle in supermarket, and the ingredients Leanna pretty clean.

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<v Speaker 1>It is basically just whole milk, skim milk, milk solids,

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<v Speaker 1>Kefa cultures to make it, and then the specific culture

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<v Speaker 1>that you find in it. Per two hundred grams serve,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes in at one hundred and thirty eight calories

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<v Speaker 1>or five hundred kilodules. Seven grams of protein, which is

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<v Speaker 1>actually pretty high for one of these products. Seven grams

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<v Speaker 1>are fat, four point six which are saturated, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a whole milk based product. Then naturally occurring

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<v Speaker 1>carbohydrates seven point two grams. And often people, whenever we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about dairy foods, think that it's added sugar. We

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<v Speaker 1>much absolutely stressed that in these probio kefeas, it is

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<v Speaker 1>not added sugar, it's naturally occurring that gives us these

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<v Speaker 1>great gut healthy bugs. What I love to see lant

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<v Speaker 1>it's got more than two hundred milligrams of calcium perserves

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<v Speaker 1>or a great sauce, contains vitamin B twelve, very very

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<v Speaker 1>important iodine important for thyroid function, potassium phosphorus, vitamin B

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<v Speaker 1>two for energy production, and a fair whack of good bacteria.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am when it comes to kefea a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit torn because it's not a food that I would

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<v Speaker 1>naturally go and buy myself and add into the diet.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I will say is that whenever I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>clients who are working on their gut health or interested

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<v Speaker 1>in optimizing immune function, or are already including kefea, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>I am a big fan of it. What's your experience

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<v Speaker 1>with these fermented milk drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a big fan. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are like, I don't know, if they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have gud health symptoms, they're like, oh, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>how there's fine, I don't need to work on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's absolutely not true. For ninety probably five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people because we know that our gut health has

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<v Speaker 2>such strong links to not only our mood, but also

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<v Speaker 2>our mental health and our imm immunity as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan that everybody, even if you think

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<v Speaker 2>your gut health estella, should still be actively consuming foods

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<v Speaker 2>and drinks that are going to have positive nutritional benefits

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<v Speaker 2>for your gut health. So I do like kafir, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do I guess if you're new to it and

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't had it before, As Zuzi said, the resemblance

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<v Speaker 2>can sort of be like a little bit cauliflower like appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time I had it, Susie, I nearly spat

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<v Speaker 2>it out because I was like, oh, this is off,

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<v Speaker 2>this is revolting, and I checked the use by data.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, huh, what's wrong? And I still poured

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<v Speaker 2>it down the drain, went and bought some more and

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<v Speaker 2>then was like, Okay, something's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not right here.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just the fact that it's fermented milk. It

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<v Speaker 2>does taste very very tart and almost like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit off. So where I use it with my

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<v Speaker 2>clients is part of a recipe. I don't get them

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<v Speaker 2>like shodding, you know. Two hundred meals of it in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning or something like that, because it is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit hard to get down because it is very

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<v Speaker 2>very tart, and the taste of it isn't I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>say it's exactly pleasant. So I love to use it

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<v Speaker 2>in something like a Berchu musical, for example, So instead

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<v Speaker 2>of soaking your oats and orange juice, I would soak

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<v Speaker 2>it in something like a fermented milk, or I'll use

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<v Speaker 2>it as part of a smoothie where we've got some

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<v Speaker 2>fruit in there as well. We've got some extra natural

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<v Speaker 2>sugars to balance out the flavor of that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really like it. I think from a nutritional perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>it's quite strong. As you said, this brand, the culture

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<v Speaker 2>goes quite good. It doesn't add any extra sugars to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the brands out there are flavored, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can get a blueberry flavor, or a mango flavor, or

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<v Speaker 2>coconut flavor. We've chosen this one today is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>just a plane or a natural flavor. As you said.

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<v Speaker 2>The only real ingredients of sort of whole milks give milk,

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<v Speaker 2>some cultures, and it's got three hundred billion c If

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<v Speaker 2>you two hundred grams serving, which is, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>a fair whack of good, healthy bacteria. It's got the

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<v Speaker 2>calcium in there, so it sort of models like a

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<v Speaker 2>cup of milk. We're actually getting the added gut health

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<v Speaker 2>benefits and the added bacterial benefits as well from it,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is really important.

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<v Speaker 1>And this company is really reputable when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>gut health products. They do some scientific work in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>They work with a well known UK dietitian who is

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<v Speaker 1>a specialist in gut health. And it has one of

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<v Speaker 1>the strains, so it's got thirteen actual different strains. And

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding is that the greater the variety of strains

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<v Speaker 1>the better, including one that has some scientific data around it,

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<v Speaker 1>because definitely land we see products that claim gut health

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<v Speaker 1>benefits but not necessarily proven. It's sort of someone's throwing

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<v Speaker 1>together a random a mix of cultures and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if the evidence is Therefore, then whereas this is

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<v Speaker 1>a proven one. It's not inexpensive, you know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a commitment financially at six dollars eighty it will work

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<v Speaker 1>for a liter or five serves, so it is a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonably costly commitment for gut health I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important to talk about the stability of these products because

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<v Speaker 1>you do see kefas referred to in baking, and what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stress is that cooking them is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get the benefits that a raw product does.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to destroy some of that bacteria. So whilst

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<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely right to use it in a smoothie drink

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<v Speaker 1>as you described, and indeed I do as well with

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<v Speaker 1>my own clients or a smoothie bowl to mix it

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<v Speaker 1>with some other flavors, I wouldn't encourage you to use

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of product in baking. You're going to basically

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<v Speaker 1>destroy the benefits that you're getting from that live culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, on all accounts, it's a very nutritious addition,

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<v Speaker 1>and particularly for people who are looking for those extra

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<v Speaker 1>benefits and to see if it specifically aids in their

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<v Speaker 1>digestive comfort, I would absolutely recommend, and I would absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>recommend this is one of the key brands because of

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<v Speaker 1>the cleanness of the ingredient list. Now, the other product

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen out of interest is I've chosen the table

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<v Speaker 1>of plenty lactose free KEFEA. Now this one is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more difficult to find leanne It only sells

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<v Speaker 1>in coals, and they have both a regular and a

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<v Speaker 1>lactose free. But the reason I like it is that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a number of people who have gut issues who

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<v Speaker 1>can't have dairy food, and they may not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have dairy food because of the lactose load. So

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<v Speaker 1>for that group of people, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few lactose free varieties of Kefia. So I think that

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<v Speaker 1>has a real group of people that that can be

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<v Speaker 1>a big benefit for. As I said, it's only available

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<v Speaker 1>in coals. It's again not inexpensive at seven dollars eighty

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<v Speaker 1>per bottle. Certainly it has a very distinct smell and

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<v Speaker 1>flavor to it as you describe, so mixing it in

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<v Speaker 1>very clean ingredient list. It only has the milk again,

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<v Speaker 1>the cultures probitic cultures, ten different strain and snowmilk powders.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an Australian company, so that's another one to really

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<v Speaker 1>look out for, particularly if you're a bit more sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>to lactose. I actually can't find the nutritionals, but it

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<v Speaker 1>will be very similar. Kefia is like a whole milk

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<v Speaker 1>product in the sense that it will have very similar

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<v Speaker 1>profile with some protein, a small amount of naturally occurring

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<v Speaker 1>a good amount of micro nutrients through it. But yeah, overall,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that for anyone who's particularly committed to their

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<v Speaker 1>gut health, using that a couple of times a week

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<v Speaker 1>as part of your diet to give you that range

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<v Speaker 1>of bacterias, particularly if you're not a yogurt consumer and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps would prefer something like this in a smoothie and

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<v Speaker 1>can tolerate it and are getting those benefits, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great addition. But yeah, you basically with this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of product, pay for what you get for so

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<v Speaker 1>it is an investment, but a quick scan of ingredient

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<v Speaker 1>lists will make sure that you're getting something without added

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<v Speaker 1>sugars and different additives and something clean like this. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Culture Club Company or a Table of Plenty,

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<v Speaker 1>are two very reputable brands in the gut health space,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will say none of these are sponsored. If

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<v Speaker 1>we do do a sponsored version, we will very clearly

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<v Speaker 1>share that with you. These are just our independent opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of the main kefia brands out there

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<v Speaker 1>and our thoughts on their nutritional profiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Put a Table of Plenty is listening would like to

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<v Speaker 2>sponsor a sushi, we'd be more than dude. What I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, just from as you mentioned, it is quite

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<v Speaker 2>a I would say probably a high cost product compared

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<v Speaker 2>to something like a liter of milk, right, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more expensive. But again you are getting some

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<v Speaker 2>really great benefits from a gut health perspective. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is probably something where you don't necessarily have to consume

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<v Speaker 2>the whole serving size as well. Like three billion c

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<v Speaker 2>a few is a lot you could just consume maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fifty to one hundred meals of that and

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<v Speaker 2>still be getting some benefit as well. So don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you need to consume an entire serve like a

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<v Speaker 2>whole what was the serving size two hundred grams or

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred meals of it? You could split that down

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<v Speaker 2>and really just use fifty mills of the kafir and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty meals of you know, normal skim

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<v Speaker 2>milk or normal lactose free milk or sowy milk or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you normally do as well. There are I guess

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<v Speaker 2>vgan or dairy free varieties. You can actually get water

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<v Speaker 2>based kafa as well, if dairy isn't something that you

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<v Speaker 2>choose to consume or you can't consume. Well, the other

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<v Speaker 2>option is a lot of people don't realize that they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually lactose free tablets as well SUSI, which you can

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<v Speaker 2>just pick up from the pharmacy. So if you were

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<v Speaker 2>just wanting to consume, say, for example, a table of

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<v Speaker 2>plenty Bland which did have lactosein and dairy in it,

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<v Speaker 2>so some people may struggle with that, you can simply

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<v Speaker 2>take something like a lactase tablet beforehand and be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably quite easily able to tolerate like a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>dairy or something like that. So just a few points

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<v Speaker 2>from that perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely make that Lita last for ten serves

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<v Speaker 1>and use max. One hundred million at a time, just

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<v Speaker 1>based on the cost alone and also the intensity of

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<v Speaker 1>the flavor with it. It will be much more palatable

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<v Speaker 1>using a small amount and a mixed dish. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting you say that, because it's a live culture, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have a good look at the use by date.

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<v Speaker 1>So the other trick at supermarket, and I use this

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<v Speaker 1>all the time across foods, always go to the back

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<v Speaker 1>because supermarkets stuck from the back, So you may pick

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<v Speaker 1>something up from the front, and it may only have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days on it, whereas if you go

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<v Speaker 1>to the back, you're more likely to get something that's

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<v Speaker 1>got a much longer use by date, and you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot longer out of it because it's that live

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<v Speaker 1>product that will be quite unstable. And the same with salads.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you look at the fresh salads in

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<v Speaker 1>bullies and coals, you may only get a day out

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones at the ft. So always go to

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<v Speaker 1>the back when you're looking at a product, particularly something

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<v Speaker 1>like this, which you really want the freshest one that

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<v Speaker 1>you can have to get the longest shelf life out

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<v Speaker 1>of it when you're at home, because you won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to freeze something like this. You need to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to consume it fresh, and as such you want

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<v Speaker 1>something that's got a reasonably long use by date, or

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<v Speaker 1>the longest you can find in supermarket.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting because I was going to say, perhaps you

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<v Speaker 2>could freeze something like this. I was thinking if you

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<v Speaker 2>were someone that didn't smoothie as you could put it

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<v Speaker 2>in with your fruit, in your cheesy's and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing and put it into container and dump the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing frozen into a blender and blend it. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you not think it would freeze for a while? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it would separate out of it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even that. I'm just wondering if the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the life culture is preserved when it's frozen. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't know, and that's completely transparent to a

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<v Speaker 1>quick search now, But I don't know if probiotic type

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<v Speaker 1>cultures freeze. Well, I would assume that they're alive, they're

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<v Speaker 1>better fresh, But we will check. We will check, and

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<v Speaker 1>at some point we will mention that again because we

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<v Speaker 1>want to have the right science around it. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>just my hesitation with freezing it. But we will double

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<v Speaker 1>check that and let you know in future episodes we

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<v Speaker 1>will mention.

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<v Speaker 2>And the nutrition Couch, Facebook and Instagram pages because we

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<v Speaker 2>will let you know. You know, Susy and I will

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<v Speaker 2>not want to sugarcoat things, And this is just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those questions where we don't actually know, so watch

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<v Speaker 2>this space. But we do hope that you are happily

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<v Speaker 2>able to include a little bit of keifer into your diet,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you know it doesn't have to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>daily basis, even you know, once every couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>I think would be beneficial. And make sure if you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to go and buy the carton of it,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you get through it because as we said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the cost is there, but it does have

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<v Speaker 2>some great nutritional benefits. So spread it around with the family.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the kids can have it, but make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're sweetening it with a bit of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>honey or fruit or something like that, because I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to give it to a five year old,

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<v Speaker 2>they're probably going to split it down the sink because

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<v Speaker 2>it is quite It is an unusual taste, isn't it, Susie,

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<v Speaker 2>Just that fermented milk.

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<v Speaker 1>It's specific. You know. It's interesting though, because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of my European clients working in Bondie and Sydney, I

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of European people who are very used

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<v Speaker 1>to products like quark and fermented dairy, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>already on there. You know, they eat cottage cheese all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, whereas I've got clients who are really offered.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think a lot of it's got to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that programming and early experience with food. I know

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<v Speaker 1>Scandinavian people Europeans are often much more familiar with fermented dairy.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's an interesting point overall, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's an option for many people and if you do

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<v Speaker 1>like it or can incorporate, there's plenty of benefits. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've shared with you today two of the products that

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<v Speaker 1>we would absolutely recommend based on the nutritional profile. So

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<v Speaker 1>that is the firstly and of our new Wednesday drop

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<v Speaker 1>on the Nutrition Couch podcast reviewing our products. We hope

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys. In the next episode,