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Speaker 1: It is Friday morning, it is time for the week

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Speaker 1: that was. And joining us in the studio right now

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Speaker 1: from the COLP Murray Clear booth be good.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you, morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Kathleene. We've got Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, Good morning everybody. Ahead of a big weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a massive weekend. And look,

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Speaker 1: we are expecting Keesy Epuric to be here any moment now.

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Speaker 1: But as we know from early this morning, police responded

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Speaker 1: to a serious crash just after four point thirty this morning,

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Speaker 1: a driver has struck a pedestrian. When emergency services responded,

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Speaker 1: the pedestrian had died on arrival. The crash happened between

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Speaker 1: Bowen Street and Amy Johnson Avenue, from my understanding, near

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Speaker 1: Charles Darwin National Park. Now the inbound lane of Tiger

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Speaker 1: Brennan has been totally disrupted at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: so we know that traffic is chaotic this morning. And

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Speaker 1: as I say, we are expecting Kezi Epuric as well.

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Speaker 1: But I'm assuming that she may well be stuck in

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Speaker 1: that trade listening as I'm at the radio.

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Speaker 2: I was on the road this morning.

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Speaker 4: I actually left before eight o'clock to leave from Parmesan

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Speaker 4: But interestingly enough, and I'm very sad to hear that

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Speaker 4: accident has happened and that someone has been.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the details of that.

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Speaker 4: But when I was driving, I did go past a

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Speaker 4: couple of the electronic messaging boards and not none of

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Speaker 4: them were on saying that there was an accident.

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Speaker 3: So really disappointing.

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Speaker 5: Radio just before that they had put them on.

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Speaker 2: They weren't on when I left just before eight.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, like Marie clear, like you know, completely sympathy

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Speaker 6: to the to the family of the deceased person. It's

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Speaker 6: just terrible way to wake up and hear that that's happened,

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Speaker 6: or certainly heard some earlier reports on radio. And and

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Speaker 6: my understanding is that, yes, the signs are communicating the

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Speaker 1: Yeahsolutely, we've got to make sure that they are working

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Speaker 1: in that they do have that infacity.

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Speaker 6: That's what it's meant to be all about so so,

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Speaker 6: but they're out there now and again to people on

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Speaker 3: Avoid that area now, stickybee, Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Just stay right away from the area, please, if you

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Speaker 1: can now, go another way now. In what is breaking

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Speaker 1: news from overnight Blaine MLA, Mark Turner has been turfed

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Speaker 1: involvement in the so called cocaine sex scandal. Now, a

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Speaker 1: statement released on Thursday evening by Territory Labor said that

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Speaker 1: the party had notified mister Turner of their decision to

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Speaker 1: not renew his party membership. I've got the statement in

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Speaker 1: Labour Party have notified the Member for Blane, Mark Turner,

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Speaker 1: of their decision not to renew his party membership. The

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Speaker 1: decision comes following an unsuccessful discussion with the Member for

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Speaker 1: the Territory Labor Constitution. Breaches include voting contrary to a

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Speaker 1: has said the decision comes following a lengthy process where

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Speaker 1: it became obvious that mister Turner couldn't abide by our

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Speaker 1: and that Territory Labor remains committed to representing the constituents

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Speaker 1: process for a new member to run in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four election. Now, I've not had the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: but if you're out there listening this morning, keen to

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Speaker 1: want to come on. But mano, why has this decision

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Speaker 3: So it is a matter for the party.

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Speaker 6: The party has clearly gone through a process here, and

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Speaker 6: as the President has says, they've gone through a lengthy process,

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Speaker 6: given this matter due consideration, and they've come to the

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Speaker 3: Lengthy is right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's taken an awful long time, and I've got

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's a decision and a matter for the party.

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Speaker 6: So the party has has had a look at it,

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Speaker 4: It is weird that it's taken so long. I mean

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Speaker 4: and he has stood by this government through this whole time,

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Speaker 1: Written and authorized by the country.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think it comes as a surprise

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Speaker 6: Labor Party would be looking to look at their candidate.

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Speaker 6: So you've got one very big man standing in the

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Speaker 6: look at making that decision there.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be interesting to see how it

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Speaker 1: all rolls out. That seat of Blaine has been a

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Speaker 6: Well, I think what we have seen the last two elections,

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Speaker 3: But you know, having many people put.

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Speaker 6: Their hand up to run in a territory election is

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Speaker 1: In my UK Labor Party here though, man I just

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Speaker 3: Now that's the matter for the party, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Clearly caucus had made a decision, but in terms of

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Speaker 6: The party does have a raft of rules of which

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Speaker 3: Party has determined that the membership should not be renewed.

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Speaker 6: Can you just remind us as to the reasons why

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Speaker 6: caucus has an inviteen bat Well? The caucus had found

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Speaker 1: It does seem as though they're quite administrative reasons then

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Speaker 1: voting contrary to a decision of the Parliamentary Labor Party.

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Speaker 1: Have we not ever had anybody do that before?

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Speaker 6: I think Marion's Grimjaw did at one point and that

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Speaker 5: Back in the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it is something like we've got I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm just trying to work out whether whether there's

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Speaker 3: I suppose. So again, I think the party's put out

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Speaker 6: It outlines the reasons why they've determined not to renew

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Speaker 3: Katie. They're there for everybody to see.

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Speaker 1: Now. I do want to say that obviously the Labor

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Speaker 1: We also know that the Central Council meeting happened on

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Speaker 1: held their meeting in Catherine and voted down the motion

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Speaker 1: President Sean Heenan. That robust discussion was held and the

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Speaker 4: Marie Claire, were you there, I certainly was, Katie, And

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Speaker 4: there was a few people who were looking to seek,

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Speaker 4: and there was a discussion held and as that statement says,

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Speaker 4: it was a resounding vote of confidence in Leah and

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened. The motion was defeated resoundingly, and

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Speaker 4: And we I mean this is it's such a distraction

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Speaker 4: We're trying to fight a labor government who just seemed

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, Katie.

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Speaker 6: It was definitely the first vote that Leah had won

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Speaker 6: absolutely astounded she's still standing in that position because most

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Speaker 6: other leaders would not have gone through this far.

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Speaker 3: I know that, I hear you know that you guys

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Speaker 6: I think we know who the other probable contender is

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Speaker 6: that's the member for Barkley and I find it curious

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Speaker 6: that the biggest and most significant meeting in the Northern

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Speaker 6: The whole cabinet went to Burung yesterday to talk to

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Speaker 6: the NLC meeting, but it also had the CLC, the ALC,

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Speaker 6: going forward into the future and our economic success. And

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Speaker 6: they were telling me that very disappointed that, you know,

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Speaker 6: and they're not seeing your leader there today and they're

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Speaker 4: Well, we are a team and we work as a

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Speaker 4: you know what is Nicole Madison.

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Speaker 2: Going to do?

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Speaker 4: She's the Deputy the Terror Territorians are so unhappy right

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Speaker 4: Doing a great job. You honestly can say to touch

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he has his set changed much.

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Speaker 6: There's a redistribution, yeah, there is. The first cut of

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Speaker 5: But there was no incumbency, that's so, and there was

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Speaker 5: candidate last time, Matthew curl is very good, had a

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Speaker 1: Do know well, your family knows everyone families.

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Speaker 5: And I think if he runs again, good on him.

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Speaker 5: But I think it will be one of those seats

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Speaker 6: Well, sing in pharmas and people see as to what's

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Speaker 1: Now, Kisier, I know that that you and I have

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Speaker 5: She's a good performer.

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Speaker 1: I reckon she's not election well in parliament.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but the main election is the one August next

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Speaker 5: after this one. But I mean robust discussion that's just

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Speaker 5: Mary Claire knows where this started from It started from

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Speaker 5: I love you, really, but it's just one of It

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: So that's the members doing their thing. I just didn't

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Speaker 4: There's always people voting against it, and yet the parliamentary

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Speaker 4: It's not unusual. It's whole number of people looking to

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Speaker 1: Well, if there's one thing for certain. We are gearing

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Speaker 1: Kathleen and I love this.

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Speaker 4: Live.

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Speaker 1: Come on, well, let's take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it right now.

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Speaker 8: So Katie We're expecting a report later this month on

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Speaker 8: that Bail and Weapons Task Force from that group, and

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Speaker 8: any legislative changes will work through for that July sitting.

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Speaker 8: So the next time the Parliament comes back together after

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Speaker 1: What do you anticipates going to be in that report?

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Speaker 8: So we're looking, Katie in that space around whether we

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Speaker 8: need to strengthen the penalties for weapons offenses and whether

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Speaker 8: I can assure your listeners we are acting with urgency

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Speaker 8: that we don't make inadvertent changes that make our community

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Speaker 1: When are we expecting the outcome of that and when

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Speaker 1: are we expecting some changes, Katie, I.

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Speaker 8: Think that we would expect to see a draft version

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Speaker 3: And this is not just sitting with police Katie.

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Speaker 8: This involves education, this involves public health in terms of

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Speaker 3: So it's quite comprehensive.

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Speaker 8: I think by the end of August is when I

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Speaker 1: So that was the Chief Minister on the show earlier

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So there's a huge amount of work happening. We've

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Speaker 3: We're looking at some other jurisdictions around the country, like Victoria.

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Speaker 6: We've looked at other jurisdictions around the world like the

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Speaker 6: We want to make sure we get the best ledgis

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Speaker 3: The territory but around the country.

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Speaker 6: It is completely unacceptable to conduct yourself in a violent

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Speaker 6: there is absolutely no excuse for it, but the reality

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Speaker 3: They are very easily accessible.

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Speaker 6: They can become everyday items at a makeshift weapons as

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Speaker 6: to make sure we get the strongest measures in place,

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Speaker 6: we have strong consequences, even stronger than what we've already

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Speaker 3: In a violence.

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Speaker 1: Just mention story which has been published on the Australian

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Speaker 1: So it's being reported in the Australian today that a

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Speaker 1: which hit her head. Now, emergency services were notified of

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police confirmed that the child remained in hospital

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Speaker 6: But also what you didn't get the chance to read

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Speaker 3: So that's a horrible aspect to that as well.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think there's a lot about this story

443
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Speaker 1: that you could delve into and a lot of questions

444
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Speaker 1: for me that have to be answered. I e. A

445
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: convicted domestic perpetrator who was given a wholly suspended sentence

446
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Speaker 1: for reasons including that his partner was pregnant. Now a

447
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Speaker 1: lot of people will be questioning why that is the case.

448
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Speaker 1: But then also we've now got a situation where as

449
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Speaker 1: we've spoken about before, a glass bottle has been used

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Speaker 1: as weapon.

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Speaker 3: It makes you sick to your stomach, so really cruel.

452
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Speaker 3: It makes you sick. How dares somebody do that to

453
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Speaker 3: a little kid? How dare they?

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Speaker 6: That is just the absolutely the most abhorrent, terrible type

455
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Speaker 6: of crime that you can hear of. And you know

456
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Speaker 6: that poor kid deserves a loving home, not parents, not

457
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Speaker 6: to get assaulted.

458
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Speaker 3: It is just absolutely.

459
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Speaker 6: Disgraceful, and you know that person is going to be

460
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Speaker 6: going through that court system again and they will have

461
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Speaker 6: to deal with the conspace people would be for people,

462
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Speaker 6: is is that this bail review, that interview that you

463
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Speaker 6: had with the Chief Minister on Monday, Wolfie was the

464
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Speaker 6: first time that we've really had a clear indication as

465
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Speaker 6: to an outcome from that bail review. I mean, we

466
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Speaker 6: hear so often about public servants being really hard workers,

467
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Speaker 6: and they are, and I just can't help but feel

468
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Speaker 6: this bail review could have been done far more urgently

469
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Speaker 6: and provided these recommendations that we're not even going to

470
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Speaker 6: get introduced into Parliament until at the very earliest July.

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Speaker 3: That's on six.

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Speaker 6: Months after Declan's death and for others since then during

473
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Speaker 6: that period, Like, I just can't help but feel this

474
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Speaker 6: bail review could have been done sooner. Yes, we've been

475
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Speaker 6: having the police go and do all these other investigations

476
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Speaker 6: and then the knife crime strategy come into it, but

477
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Speaker 6: why can't they happen at the same time the outcome

478
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Speaker 6: The definition.

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Speaker 4: Of immediate for this labor government's obviously very very different

480
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Speaker 4: to territories. I think it was the twenty second of March.

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Speaker 6: And we've seen an urgent health response during cod Yeah exactly,

482
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Speaker 6: it's and this is when people are going, well, I

483
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Speaker 6: can't things happen fun We did go in and we

484
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Speaker 6: did amend the bail straight away.

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Speaker 3: And we're also doing.

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Speaker 4: This week the weapons, and you only included very specific weapons.

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Speaker 4: It didn't include broken class, which horrifically is what was

488
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Speaker 4: involved in this incidence in TenneT Creek and didn't involve

489
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Speaker 4: star pickets and cars and rocks and things that really

490
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Speaker 4: caused a lot of this where.

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Speaker 3: This is what we're looking at right now.

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Speaker 4: But you could have looked at it when we put

493
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Speaker 4: forward the amendments at that time. It could have been

494
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Speaker 4: done then and there, which was months. Then you had

495
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Speaker 4: another opportunity where we brought forward urgent legislation because it's

496
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Speaker 4: not just about the weapon, it's about any violent act

497
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Speaker 4: and that is what should be addressed so that so

498
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Speaker 4: that people are actually facing real consequences for these horrific crimes.

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Speaker 6: But again i'd say, when we've seen legislation brought before

500
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Speaker 6: the House by the CLP, it hasn't been done very well.

501
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Speaker 6: We need to use our assets, our resources of government

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Speaker 6: to get this right, because.

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Speaker 3: Again, you don't want unintended You didn't want it.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to entertain if you gagged us after

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Speaker 4: forty seven seconds, so how would you know what was

506
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Speaker 4: in that legislation. You didn't even let us allow let

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Speaker 4: us talk about it at all. Our whole point is

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Speaker 4: that we.

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Speaker 6: Need to do something urgently to keep says taken urgent action.

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Speaker 6: We have run operations and now we're getting the legislative platform.

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Speaker 1: The big question for me at this point is how

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Speaker 1: is a convicted domestic violence perpetrator in a situation where

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Speaker 1: they are then able to fracture a baby's skull biatically

514
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Speaker 1: hitting a.

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Speaker 5: Couple of things, Katie. That child should never be back

516
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Speaker 5: with those parents again, sadly. And I know there's going

517
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Speaker 5: to people out there who say that's outrageous. They are

518
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Speaker 5: clearly unfit to be parents. They were clearly unfit to

519
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Speaker 5: be parents when they copulated to make that child. But

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Speaker 5: that child will be damaged for life, sadly, either from

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Speaker 5: heartbreaking s D and now because of these nasty injuries.

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Speaker 5: So maybe Grandma is in the right place at the right.

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Speaker 1: Time to careful to be able to look after that.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we're talking about the weapons and all

525
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Speaker 5: that sort of stuff. Anything used as a weapon should

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Speaker 5: be included. Anything stop tinking around the edges, ago, this

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Speaker 5: knife in, that knife out. Anything that is used with

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Speaker 5: force with male intent should be considered a weapon. I

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Speaker 5: don't care what it is, whether the jemmy bar or

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Speaker 5: a star pickt broken bottle, a rock, a car, whatever,

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Speaker 5: bow and arrow, it is a weapon you use it

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Speaker 5: if you look at definitions very carefully. It's a thing

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Speaker 5: that is used to create or cause harm and or

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Speaker 5: to protect.

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Speaker 1: Do you disagree? You surely do you think that they

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Speaker 1: are weapons too?

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Speaker 3: And our just comes back and says, to do that.

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Speaker 1: Will you?

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Speaker 6: So we will be looking at it all very closely,

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Speaker 6: and the aim of this is to make sure we've

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Speaker 6: got the best possible legislation in place. But I have

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Speaker 6: seen in my time as a minister you've got to

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Speaker 6: get it right because you don't want to see unintended

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Speaker 6: consequences them.

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Speaker 3: We don't have it right.

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Speaker 1: So at the moment we don't have it right, in

547
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Speaker 1: the community is screaming out saying do it better because

548
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Speaker 1: we're not safe. So that's the situation that we're in

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 6: And you also have to look at the causes of

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Speaker 6: why on earth are these people going out out of

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Speaker 6: their mind and doing these horrendous, violent things.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're into that well, that isn't It was

554
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Speaker 1: made earlier in the week as well, an announcement by

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Speaker 1: the federal and territory governments to support community led, place

556
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Speaker 1: based approaches to justice reinvestment at the Joint Council on

557
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Speaker 1: Closing the Gap meeting in Darwin. So it was part

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Speaker 1: of this. Well, it's a landmark eighty one point five

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Speaker 1: million dollars First Nations Justice package the government, the Albany

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Speaker 1: Government's going to be assisting fifteen communities that have expressed

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Speaker 1: interest in designing and developing these early stage justice reinvestment strategies.

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Speaker 1: Now from the outset, I've said this right all throughout

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Speaker 1: the week. It sounds like it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: really good thing, money well invested. But I think that

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people in the community, they're a

566
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Speaker 1: bit fatigued from hearing things like justice reinvestment early intervention

567
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Speaker 1: early intervention programs and it doesn't seem to be making

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Speaker 1: a difference.

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Speaker 6: And those programs are still just being developed at this stage. Yes,

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Speaker 6: the Minister did mention that there's some that already being

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Speaker 6: rolled out in our springs and I believe Grood Island

572
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Speaker 6: has been quite successful with it. But again, this is

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Speaker 6: still designing those programs for fifteen communities, four of which

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Speaker 6: are in the Northern Territory, which hopefully might be ready

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Speaker 6: by the funding round later this year, which we don't

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Speaker 6: have a date for, which is again still later this year, yep.

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Speaker 6: But what I do welcome is that we're getting more

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Speaker 6: funding into the Northern Territory from the federal government and

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Speaker 6: making sure that they are at the table. What I'd

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Speaker 6: say to them is, don't make it time limited. You've

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Speaker 6: got to keep your effort up, because so often the

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Speaker 6: Feds come in, and I've seen it under both Federal

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Speaker 6: Labor and Liberal where they come in, they fund something

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Speaker 6: for a short period and then they stop funding it,

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Speaker 6: and then you'll find a few years later they'll come

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Speaker 6: back and fund it in some other form. They need

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Speaker 6: to give long term, sustained funding into the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 6: Exactly if we heard that there was going to be

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Speaker 6: an order of all these programs in Alice Springs that

590
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Speaker 6: were supposed to be looked at as to seeing whether

591
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Speaker 6: they're working or not, but then we had all these

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Speaker 6: other programs that just had their funding extended and we

593
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Speaker 6: don't know if they've been successful or not. We're not

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Speaker 6: sure what the outcome is from that audit in Alice Springs,

595
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Speaker 6: and there's just been money being put in there, and

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Speaker 6: it's like, look a great and still withholding a one

597
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Speaker 6: hundred million into a fund that may be rolled out

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Speaker 6: at some point into something exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's what we've been calling for for months and months,

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Speaker 4: is an independent audit into the funds that are received

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Speaker 4: into the territory for these kinds of programs. And we

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Speaker 4: had the government stand up and say we don't need

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Speaker 4: an audit because we do our own internlaudits. But what

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Speaker 4: we see is crime increasing, more people entering the youth

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Speaker 4: justice system than ever before, and they're still saying that

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Speaker 4: they're continuing to invest, that they've got these programs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's seven EMUs.

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Speaker 4: There is a program there that has been successful in

609
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Speaker 4: the past, but there's no people going out there anymore.

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Speaker 4: There's no youths being sentenced to that facility. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's just a prime example. But we don't know because

612
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Speaker 4: we aren't able to do this audit to see what's

613
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Speaker 4: working what's not. And then again then we just go

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Speaker 4: capping it into the government.

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Speaker 3: I understand we do have kids going out to seven EMUs.

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Speaker 2: And to be sure people we were visiting there a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: Very rearous assessment when people go to the end of

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Speaker 6: their funding and if they're going out to get that extended,

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Speaker 6: because we hear that as well, that people want to

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Speaker 6: see good veay for money going out to these organizations

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Speaker 6: and actual outcomes. And I tell you now, when we

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Speaker 6: stop funding a place, we all hear about it as

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Speaker 6: local members as you know.

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Speaker 5: You know, Katie, I didn't hear that, mo Claire. But

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Speaker 5: if governments said we don't need an audit, well that's

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Speaker 5: just alarming and outrageous. Why the hell do company student

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Speaker 5: and then ordered every year?

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Speaker 6: We do have auditing processes. We've got scrutiny through you

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Speaker 6: guys at estimates for the next two weeks.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about a proper order government financially funds going everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You keep going cap in Hanton and they.

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Speaker 3: Do have auditing and nowhere and Order to General, but

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Speaker 3: the general's doing the audit.

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Speaker 5: I'm very comfortable and I think.

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Speaker 3: You very comfortable with our order to General, Chris.

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Speaker 5: But I am very comfortable with Julie christ Is the

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Speaker 5: Order of gen.

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Speaker 3: She does a great job, and she is but she

640
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Speaker 3: is rigorous.

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Speaker 5: Other kinds of orders, then I don't really find them acceptable.

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Speaker 5: It's got to be done by the Order to kind

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Speaker 5: of personal and.

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Speaker 1: Somebody looking into ports, onto into all of that money

645
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Speaker 1: that's invested into youth. Christ you service at.

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Speaker 6: Pendent statutory officer who produces multiple reports every year into.

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Speaker 1: Them, is that something and all the territory government has

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Speaker 1: directed or has us that she would be able to

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Speaker 1: look into all of those different programs that are meant

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Speaker 1: to be delivering all the.

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Speaker 6: Things I can ask ye, I want to understand why

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Speaker 6: you don't, because we have got very rigorous processes that.

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Speaker 5: Process.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but so would you commit to doing that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: would the Northern Territory commit to actually asking the Order

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Speaker 1: to General to looking into these programs so that we

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Speaker 1: can make sure they're working.

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Speaker 6: I respect the independence of the Order to General and

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Speaker 6: if the Order to General feel you want something to

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Speaker 6: look at, the Order to General.

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Speaker 3: Can go and have a look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I've said, we've got processes in place, and we've

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Speaker 3: got order when do we get to see them?

665
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Speaker 2: Seven years? And you come from.

666
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: Intimates all those things.

667
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: But also an annual report is obviously a government department,

668
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, outlining what their department has done. So while

669
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Speaker 1: we may you know, while we are able to say,

670
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: all right, well, that's as independent as it can be.

671
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about these different you know,

672
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: different services that are meant to be provided, that are

673
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: meant to be making in roads, let's say in youth,

674
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, in our youth crime issue today, I'll talk

675
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: about that, how are we measuring the success of those

676
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: and how are we measuring whether that money is well

677
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: spent or not? And if there isn't any kind of

678
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: independent look into that, well, really, you know, I could

679
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: step back if I didn't do ratings every year and

680
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: say I'm the best in daw And at what I do,

681
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: but I can't. There actually has to be a process

682
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: that's gone through to be able to prove that. So

683
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: how do we prove that these programs are working? And

684
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: as I said, we have assessments. The FEDS do their

685
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: assessments as well.

686
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 6: But then you've got those independent agencies like the Auditor

687
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: General that can also have a look at these things.

688
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: There are multiple layers of scrutiny, Katie, And let me

689
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 6: tell you, we do look at these things very carefully.

690
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 6: And if they are not working, they get defunded, they

691
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 6: don't get extended and like I said, you hear about

692
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 6: it when that help, but feel.

693
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: That's clearly failed.

694
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: If we saw what happened in January of seeing the

695
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: Prime Minister to come here and make this whole new,

696
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: big announcement, then clearly something wasn't being it wasn't workingly.

697
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, something clearly wasn't working out. Nothing was being

698
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: done to well.

699
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: We've spoken about there was actually as part of that

700
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: report I'd thought that was done by Jarell Anderson where

701
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: she'd spoken about the number of service providers that there

702
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: were and it was a hit. I can't remember the

703
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: number off the top of my head. Unfortunately.

704
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: Select committee that looked into youth suicide that I sat

705
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: on probably about ten years out of ten years, and

706
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: we went to our springs and we found out the

707
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: committee found out there was something like twenty to twenty

708
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: five services and agencies and NGOs and land councils and

709
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: all those kind of people church groups providing youth services

710
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: and they didn't talk to each other. Yeah, some talk

711
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: to each other clearly, and a lot weren't talking to

712
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: each other. They were all getting funding, they were all

713
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: seeking funding, they were all delivering sort of similar services

714
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: and they weren't coordinated, and it happened in Tenant Creek

715
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: as well, and we found that out when the committee

716
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: went to Tenant Creek. And clearly it's still bloody happening

717
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: and no one is coordinating. So what Durrella Madison has

718
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: put in her raw report is not new and it's

719
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: not rocket science.

720
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Get them to talk to we are going to have

721
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: to take a very short break. It is just twenty

722
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: minutes away from ten o'clock mixed.

723
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 7: One or four point nine three sixty the week that

724
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 7: was the most listened to our in Territory radio.

725
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: It is just sixteen minutes away from ten o'clock. And

726
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: it seems we've got a very captive audience because the

727
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: road still definitely undergoing well. There's still a lot of

728
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: traffic as a result of that fatality earlier this morning.

729
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: So we will keep people up to date with all

730
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: of the information as it comes to hand in local news.

731
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: When I came in the biggest sign at near Gateway,

732
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 5: the Blinky Blinky sign, it had a notice saying don't

733
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: go down that way it's quick. So as I went

734
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 5: down out and down Tivendale, there are still people going

735
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: straight ahead and at Tivendale. So clearly they don't have

736
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: radios on or don't listen, but they're going to get stuck.

737
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: Ory're going to have to come back.

738
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Well, please listen to radio.

739
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 5: Don't listen to yours.

740
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: That's right, Listen to us, goodness mate, to radio. That's

741
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: where you find out what's going on.

742
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: Listen to Spotify.

743
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: No. Now, just very quickly, an announcement just being made

744
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory Government taking the next big step

745
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: towards developing the Middle Arm Sustainable Development Precinct as a

746
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: new clean energy investment in jobs powerhouse. So this bit

747
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: of info just coming through that well, it says powered

748
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: by renewables and lower emissions energy. The precinct is being

749
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: developed to attract industries that reflect the territory's future economy

750
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: and what it's going to look like is hydrogen, carbon capture,

751
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: natural gas, advanced manufacturing and minerals processing. So to give

752
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: interested companies certainty as they develop projects at Middle Arm,

753
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: the Territory government's now issued not to deal commitments to

754
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: five proponents over specific parcels of land at that precinct,

755
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: so a few of them there by the look of things,

756
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: Man of you. I'm assuming you've got a bit further info.

757
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a huge announcement today for the Northern Territory,

758
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 6: with five or more proponents there that we are locking

759
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: in to continue negotiation with parcels of land at Middle Arm.

760
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 6: This is great news for jobs, This is great news

761
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 6: for business and for growing the Northern Territory economy and

762
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 6: Middle Arm is just going to be a wonderful asset

763
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 6: to everybody in the territory.

764
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: And really really put us on the map.

765
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 6: We always talk about being the gateway to Asia, but

766
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: this really is it. This seals the absolute deal and

767
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 6: we'll make way for more industry.

768
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: But is it going to make the anti fracas and

769
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: the anti gas mob angry?

770
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: I think they need to see what this is all about.

771
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: This is a sustainable precinct.

772
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 6: We're doing the highest level of environmental cultural sacred sites

773
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 6: clearance work prior. People have to fit in within those

774
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: environmental requirements there and they will be strict.

775
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: But we are talking about a renewable hydrogen industry.

776
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 6: We are talking about our LEFP cathode batteries that will

777
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 6: power electric vehicles and technology there with Avenia getting the

778
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 6: phosphate from here in the Northern Territory. We're talking about vanadium,

779
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 6: a critical mineral being processed out here at Middle Arm.

780
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: We are talking.

781
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: About renewable, more renewable, clean.

782
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 6: Green hydrogen carbon capturing stories, and yes we're also talking

783
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 6: about natural gas. But these are all the things we

784
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 6: need to tackle climate change in the world. I was

785
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: talking to the CSIRO this week who are up here,

786
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 6: and as they say, you need to use every tool

787
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 6: in the toolbox to decarbonize the world and to tackle

788
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 6: climate change. And Middle Arm is going to be great

789
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 6: for jobs, great for the future of the Northern Territory

790
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 6: and also great for that issue of reducing emissions and

791
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: helping us transition to a renewable energy future.

792
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: Katie the COLP is absolutely on board with this Middle

793
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: Arm project. We've supported this from the very very start

794
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: because we absolutely need projects here in the Northern Territory.

795
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: What really really worries Worries means we've had announcement after

796
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: announcement of these types of projects, and we have a

797
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 4: territory labor that just doesn't seem to understand how business

798
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: actually works in the territory.

799
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: We had the ABS come.

800
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: Out and to go talk to these companies doing business

801
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 3: with the now.

802
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: ABS come out in their report and we are last

803
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: again out of all of the states with economic growth.

804
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: We're actually going backwards.

805
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: And of course that's on the back of this labor

806
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: government who have been in power for seven years and

807
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 4: we've had no major projects have shovel into the ground.

808
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: And I mean I was just in Alice Springs this week,

809
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 4: and this goes to the core of how labor government

810
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: doesn't understand business. We have businesses down there who are

811
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: continually being broken into They have to spend their hard

812
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: earned money on repairing windows time and time again, their

813
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: insurance premiums go up. They have to pass that on

814
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: to consumers. If consumers are paying that increases the cost

815
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: of living for Territorians and that makes it really hard

816
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: to live here in the territory. And without these without

817
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: major projects continuing, it just can we were not going

818
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: to be any further ahead now. Alice Springs also said

819
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: to me they have several projects where they've had funds

820
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: committed and if you're a.

821
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Rares under construction, they've had no funds committed.

822
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Project.

823
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, hope that we do these major projects get underway

824
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. But I know that there are

825
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: going to be people out there listening saying, well, you know,

826
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm on a sec We don't want gas to be

827
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: the major industry for us here in the territory. But

828
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: the fact is certainly get over it, Katie. One thing is.

829
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: The story.

830
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 5: One thing I wanted batteries come on. One thing I

831
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: would like to point out, and people who are involved

832
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: in Nicole a minister and others and Mary Clip what

833
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 5: people need to understand is when you have major projects,

834
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: you have high stakes, and you have high risks and

835
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 5: you have big money. Over the last twenty years, I've

836
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 5: seen methodics come and go. They were going to have

837
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: a methanol play, we were going to have a condensate plant.

838
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 5: We were going to have this kind of plant. We're

839
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: going to have that kind of plant. Big plants, big projects,

840
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 5: and they come with risks and they also have to

841
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 5: fit in with their product to capture the opportunities on

842
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: the world stage. So, you know, the Sunrise gas project

843
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: is still not developed. It was going to come to

844
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 5: darn it was going to go to East Team, or

845
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 5: it was going to be the floating energy. It was

846
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: going to be offshore platform type of stuff. So and

847
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 5: it's still being worked on, so it's I have no

848
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: issue goverment there. I have no issue with the government

849
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 5: talking about companies that are potentially going to come to

850
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 5: Middle Arm. Some of them will come and some of

851
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: them may not come at the end of the day,

852
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 5: that's the nature of big business. We're talking millions and

853
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: billions of dollars, not just hundreds of thousands. So I

854
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: just say, and a lot of people want it just

855
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 5: to get going.

856
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: A couple of messages coming through asking where is the

857
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: Albatross project at with the airport.

858
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the Albatross project that's going along really well

859
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 6: with AAI that's progressing along nicely, and we regularly hear

860
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 6: from them.

861
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: But just another thing I want to.

862
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 6: Say to the the gas question you just asked before,

863
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 6: was that i'd remind people about I think it's important

864
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 6: to be really level headed about the debate about renewable

865
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 6: energy because our aspiration and what the world wants.

866
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: As well, is one hundred percent renewable energy, and that

867
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: is what we are all working towards.

868
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 6: But you're not going to get there overnight, and it's

869
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 6: going to take a while for hydration to get ramped

870
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 6: up enough and you need a transition.

871
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: And I will say to people, we know fifty one

872
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: percent of energy produced.

873
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 6: In Australia is from coal, and coal is far far

874
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 6: dirtier as a fuel source and more emissions intensive, and

875
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 6: so by transitioning to gas and the country uses about

876
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 6: nineteen percent gas, this is how we're going to help

877
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 6: get that pathway to affordable, reliable, secure energy supply in

878
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 6: this country. And gas will play a role, but gas

879
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 6: won't be there forever. Eventually it will be renewables. But

880
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 6: in the meantime we need a step down and a

881
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 6: transition from coal, and that is gas. We are going

882
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 6: to have to take a very short break.

883
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three p

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Speaker 1: sixty where as the time gone, it is just nine

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Speaker 1: minutes away from ten mixed one or.

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Speaker 7: Four point nine three point sixty the week that was

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Speaker 7: the most listened to our in Territory radio.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is just a few minutes away from ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: But before we wrap up for this morning, we know

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Speaker 1: that Territorians with a spare room are being urged to

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Speaker 1: open their homes to international students because we have certainly

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Speaker 1: got a bit of a shortfall when it comes to

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Speaker 1: accommodation for international students, so that Charles Dall and Vice

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Speaker 1: Chancellor Scott Bowman spoke to us earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: and said that up to six hundred Charles Darwin UNI

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Speaker 1: students expected, well, they're expected to flood into Darwin in

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Speaker 1: the next few weeks with nowhere really to stay, and longer.

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Speaker 5: Term, Boken off them a room at my place if

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Speaker 5: they're brave enough, and my mother's.

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Speaker 3: Brave enough, being in the operative word there they have to.

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Speaker 1: Feed the goats, well, she's part of the passage. After

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Speaker 1: they have to learn how to resuscitated chalk.

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Speaker 5: They were just making a house well looking from this

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Speaker 5: part of for some tertiary education, but then they'd get

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Speaker 5: a full rounded education.

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Speaker 1: They go towards the you should write a book directly.

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Speaker 5: I'm intrigued how it's got to the stage now that

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Speaker 5: they've realized these students are coming and there's nowhere for

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Speaker 5: them to stay. I just find it really strange that

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Speaker 5: the call has gone out.

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Speaker 7: Can you help us?

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Speaker 5: Surely they would have thought about this when they did

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Speaker 5: all those prayers to encourage all these international students, which

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Speaker 5: I'm glad seven hundred or debats are coming to study

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Speaker 5: and live in the territory. But this needs to be

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Speaker 5: really well coordinated. You just can't have students coming. How

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Speaker 5: the hell am I they going to find out that

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Speaker 5: I've got a room to spare. So we need more universe,

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Speaker 5: more information from either the university and or government or

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Speaker 5: perhaps there's a coordinated approaches.

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Speaker 1: So we need to come out through the Turk or

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Speaker 1: the Ursey, however you want to pronounce it. Report a

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Speaker 1: little while back where the aim was ten thousand students

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Speaker 1: if I understand correctly, and I remember I'm saying a

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Speaker 1: Property Council of it where they were talking about that

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Speaker 1: student accommodation and saying, well, hang on a sec we

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Speaker 1: need to have somewhere for them to leave.

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Speaker 6: And the Property Council has come out with a solution

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Speaker 6: that I think is no brainer. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 6: fifty eight thousand square meters of vacant commercial space in

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Speaker 6: the CBD, which Ruth has said and is just calling

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Speaker 6: on the government to provide the exemptions to car parking

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Speaker 6: requirement because it has to be a minimum of two

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Speaker 6: spaces I believe per residential place and also the common

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Speaker 6: area to room ratio, which those two requirements can be

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Speaker 6: expensive for developers, so they've offered this as a temporary solution,

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Speaker 6: doesn't have to be permanent. That they can provide an

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Speaker 6: occupancy certificate that has a specific time based on it

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Speaker 6: and then it has to revert back to whatever. It

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Speaker 6: seems like a no brainer that can happen very quickly.

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Speaker 6: So we can convert already in our planning scheme and

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Speaker 6: with laws commercial space into accommodation. I mean we've seen

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Speaker 6: that with the h Hotel and others in the city.

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Speaker 6: This isn't new, it can be already done within the

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Speaker 6: planning scheme. Parking, you know, it's an issue that is

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Speaker 6: often raised by developers, but you know you can see

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Speaker 6: where it goes wrong when you don't have enough parking spaces.

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Speaker 3: And often student accommodation.

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Speaker 6: I have to say, is one where you will see

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Speaker 6: cars and vehicles by those students. We love our international

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Speaker 6: students that are incredibly important part of our economy. We

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Speaker 6: have got several approvals already in place in the city

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Speaker 6: for unit development, a long.

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Speaker 1: Way from coming online then for those students. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know, even we've spoken to Evil all Or earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week and she's spoken about development. I think

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Speaker 1: on wood straight and said seventy two units if I

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Speaker 1: remember correctly. But we're talking six hundred students in the short.

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Speaker 6: Term by managea Yeah, and we keep working with Charles

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Speaker 6: Darwin University who do a magnificent job, and we'll keep

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Speaker 6: speaking to them.

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Speaker 1: But stress you can have reached like they seem to

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Speaker 1: actually be doing their side of the in terms of

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Speaker 1: reaching those targets and encouraging people to get here, but

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Speaker 1: you actually need good, good policy to back it up

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we've got a house.

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Speaker 6: But what I say is that you can provide you

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Speaker 6: can convert commercial buildings already into residential.

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Speaker 3: It does happen, but the.

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Speaker 6: Opportunity to be through that process, which is a bit

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Speaker 6: longer than what your property council is saying, that could

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Speaker 6: be sped up by providing these exemption to car parking,

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Speaker 6: which it certainly will need people who have cars. But

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Speaker 6: a lot of these students are coming from places that

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Speaker 6: they wouldn't have a car. They use public transport and

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Speaker 6: CDO is talking about shuttle buses even between all the campuses,

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Speaker 6: so they wouldn't require a car. And I mean, these

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Speaker 6: are the conversations we have but I mean, what I

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Speaker 6: will say is that it can be done. You can

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Speaker 6: actually get through You can apply for exemptions in your

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Speaker 6: planning as well when you go through these processes, and

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Speaker 6: you can put your case forward to the Development Consent Authority.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, we saw the leader of the opposition

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Speaker 6: go forward to announce a today this week that was

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Speaker 6: already in place.

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Speaker 4: They in place, the guidelines are not there now. That's

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Speaker 4: why it's not happening. Like you haven't put any emphasis

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Speaker 4: on trying to solve this problem. You should be absolutely

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Speaker 4: speaking to industry. This goes to the heart of you

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Speaker 4: not consulting with industry. Otherwise you would have heard from

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Speaker 4: the Property Council what is needed many years ago, as

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Speaker 4: Katie said, And there's been no movement at the station

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Speaker 4: on your part, Garbage.

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Speaker 3: We work with these stakeholders all the time.

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Speaker 5: I think I might have been with Palma for the

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Speaker 5: Property Council. So I was listening to you know, either

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Speaker 5: the Property Council in consultation with the university and the

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Speaker 5: government and another industry group should be looking at what

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Speaker 5: is available right now that could be brought online quicker

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Speaker 5: right now. I was heard, I was told what was

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Speaker 5: that cheapy hotel in Mitchell Street. That's faking at the money.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, yeah, oh yeah, cheaper In terms of

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Speaker 1: accommodation process, you know.

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Speaker 5: Like whether that can be brought online quickly, whether there's

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Speaker 5: something to do with space at the traveloge down on

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Speaker 5: Cabinet Street, what is available right now without needing any

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Speaker 5: zoning requirements change, whether you know, talk to the owners

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Speaker 5: of the properties to get it online now, and obviously

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Speaker 5: get on quickly because these people, these students coming and

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Speaker 5: are going to want safe premises. And I don't have

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Speaker 5: to say why they want safe.

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Speaker 1: That's right, but they need to have safe.

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Speaker 5: This is a component like in other states the church

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Speaker 5: groups have colleges. I don't know why if the government

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Speaker 5: can talk to any of the particularly the major churches

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Speaker 5: like the Catholic Church up here, because they own Pearl

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Speaker 5: Village for example, so they may have some ideas of

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Speaker 5: how accommodation you have him get on.

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Speaker 3: Look, we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: It's on ten o'clock. Mary Claire Booby from the COLP,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I hope to see everybody at the

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Speaker 2: Greek Glenty this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We're going to catch up with Nick Paneers after ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock this morning. Kathleen Gazola from nine years, thanks for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. Keizy Puric independ Thanks.

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Speaker 5: You got to do a shout out to someone. Gary

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Speaker 5: Ga double r y Hi Gay, long time see you.

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Speaker 5: Come and visit me in my office.

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Speaker 1: He listens to your He must be smart. He's very smart.

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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison, Deputy Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, oh so same with MCB.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to say, let's go glenty best weekend of

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Speaker 6: the year and to all of those involved in the

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Speaker 6: Glenty cut at Glenara Glenty Cup on Tuesday night, that

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Speaker 6: was amazing, epic. I know Helenic got the win and

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Speaker 6: the men's not my Olympic and then there was a

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Speaker 6: drawer in the women's.

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Speaker 3: But that was just an awesome, awesome night. Well down

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Speaker 3: to our Greek community. Can't wait for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. We are running a little bit late to the

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Speaker 1: national news, apologies, but coming your way after ten. Plenty

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Speaker 1: more on the on three point sixty