1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: It's Will in One Good Day, Guys, how I welcome 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: back to In One Word, the podcast where we ask 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: our guests really deep, meaningful, penetrating question. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: And they have got the challenge of answering it in 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: only one word. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 3: Today is a tough I'm going to use the word opponent, 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: but opponent's not right, but a tough person to navigate 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: because of how fast they are. 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think they're almost, like, undeniably in the 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: top five most witty, clever but speedy comedians that's been 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: on TV on radio. I mean, like the breadth of 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: their success is really the barometer for just how good 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: they are. Like, he has two amazingly iconic shows in 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: the Glasshouse, The Grew and Transfer Specks and Specs. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: Oh no, sorry, that's Adam Hills, but it is Will Anderson. 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: He's something like twenty five running shows in a row 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: He really tells out every single year. He is a. 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: Permanent part of the Australian media landscape because he's so 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: bluddy good and he's so buddy clever. So look, we 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: wanted to try and dig under the facade. Well not facade, 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: that's the wrong that's the wrong word to use, but 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: like because he is so quick, he's so good at 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: directing things away from him. 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 4: Ah, and that's last year. Because he's just not a 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 4: very selfish person. He doesn't like talking about himself very much. 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: And you hear that in his podcast Will losto FHI 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: if you haven't heard his podcast. He loves talking about 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 4: other people. He's always interested in other people. 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: He's just an incredibly selfless, very helpful guy and like 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: pulling the curtain down fully. He's been incredible to you 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: and I. You know, since we started, he's always coming 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: our show. You know, I was going to say even 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: when we were nobodies, but we are still nobody's. 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: Ah. 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: But this this podcast is interesting, guys, because it was 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: recorded at the peak of the twenty twenty COVID nineteen crisis, 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: and Will really opens up about seeing one hundred percent 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: of his stand up income just vanish. 40 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: And he just walked away from a breakfast radio gig 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: before COVID. 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: That's right to focus on stand up, which is all 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: of a sudden ripped away from him three months later. 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: So you'll hear what it's like being an entertainer during 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: the pandemic and like the sorrow that comes with loving 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: something that you can't do, which is just yeah, heartbreaking here, 47 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: but also like again like it's amazing, You've been in 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: the middle of a really you know, in depth absorbing 49 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: part of this, and then all of a sudden he 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: cracks a gag and gets it off. 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: And there's a couple of times, right have to bring 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 4: him back to the question that I've asked him because 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 4: he's such a good riggular. 54 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: But one thing we should also mentioned about Will as 55 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: Wood said, he has an incredibly successful podcast, Willosophy. If 56 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: you're listening to this, then I'm sure you've already heard Wilosophy, 57 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: having interviewed a whole bunch of buzzy comedians. First, he 58 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: does TV presenters like all across the international state. 59 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: It's amazing. 60 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: And one thing Will always does in his podcast, and 61 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: this ties into our in one word question, is that 62 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: he always lets his guest introduce themselves. So he gives 63 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: them all this rope. It's like, you know what, you 64 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: introduce yourself, I'm not going to introduce you. And then 65 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: essentially he's got a great swipe with them afterwards. Whip 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: like not in a malicious sense, just like it's a 67 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: great conversation start. 68 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, And it's actually really interesting to 69 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: hear what certain people think they are. Yeah, you know, 70 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: do they give their occupation? Like what do you say 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 3: about yourself when you say introduce yourself? It's a great 72 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: device and we stole it. 73 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: That's right. 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: We were talking about and I both big fans of philosophy. 75 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: We both listened to it all the time. So we 76 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 2: thought to ourselves, like, jeez, what's the perfect question for 77 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: Will Anderson. It's really hard to get a great question 78 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: for him because he's such a good talker. You know, 79 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: he's got an incredible, incredibly vocabulary. He's able to wriggle 80 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: out of than anything. How we're going to pin him 81 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: down to something? So we said, let's hear Will Anderson 82 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: do just that, introduce yourself using only one word. 83 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: I am Will Anderson, and I am in essential. 84 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: What was the word quintessential? 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 5: In essential? 86 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: In essential? Not necessary? Like you're not you're not really needed? 87 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 5: Well, I realized as soon as you know COVID nineteen 88 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 5: hit and we talk so much about what the essential 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 5: industries are, but we forget it. There is also a 90 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 5: flip side to understanding that someone is essential, which means 91 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 5: that if you do not fit into one of those 92 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 5: essential categories, you are therefore categorized a's non essential. And 93 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: when COVID hit, the first thing that got canceled basically 94 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: was the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, and it was just right. 95 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 5: They gone, who will we need in a crisis? Personally, 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 5: Let's shut down the clown forget send in the cloud, 97 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 5: let's send out the clown, dive up the circuit, get 98 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 5: everyone loaded up in the tiny little car with their 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 5: big shoes, and you guys can step aside the one side. Well, 100 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 5: they say that laughter is the best medicine, but it 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 5: turns out, in the time of a disease going around 102 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 5: the world, the death medicine is actually medicine. And they 103 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 5: get teas in their scientists together all over the world 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: to come up with cures, and they do not get 105 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: to the best comedian and Sarah Silverman and get us 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 5: on a zoom call and go just see if you 107 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 5: can come up with a question. We've got John Oliver 108 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 5: with the scared of little guys in the next room. 109 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: True, not to blow any smoke up your bottom, though, 110 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: will but do you not obviously? Yeah, the Comedy Festival 111 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: was shut down. But do you not see the importance 112 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: in you know, during these tough times, people like you 113 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: who have an incredible ability to make people laugh and smile. 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: Do you not see that as or do not see 115 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: yourself as playing an important role there in people's lives? 116 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 5: Well, I guess that's why it's an interesting work, because 117 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: the first thing that you have to deal with is 118 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 5: that you are not really essential, and that is the truth. 119 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: I'd become used to the idea when I started doing 120 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 5: stand up comedy that it was running away to join 121 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 5: the circus. But over the twenty five years twenty six 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 5: years that I've been doing it, it's become a main 123 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 5: store industry. I mean, I trained as a journalist and 124 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: left journalism to go into the world of stand up comedy. 125 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 5: And at the time, people were like, why would you 126 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 5: leave the secure world of media journalism to tell jokes 127 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 5: to strangers on stage through living Whereas now, if you 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 5: were a person trying to choose between those two industries, 129 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 5: you'd always recommend somebody did comedy because that's still an 130 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 5: industry and being a journalist really isn't anymore so. In 131 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: the time that I've been doing it, it became a 132 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 5: mainstream industry, and that was always there to the point 133 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 5: where I really thought that it was important to our 134 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 5: society in a systemic sense. And of course, when something 135 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 5: like this comes on along a virus that we really 136 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 5: haven't had to reckon with in our lifetime, something, you 137 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 5: realize that my job is literally about the most dangerous 138 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 5: job you could do to spread the disease, because the 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 5: very idea of what I'm trying to do is lure 140 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 5: up a thousand people from different areas of the country 141 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: and the city, all to come together in an enclosed 142 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: space normally not with great ventilation, and then for an 143 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: hour and a half I'm going to get them to 144 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 5: try to expel it as many fluids violently from their 145 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 5: mouth in the direction of each other as possible, and 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 5: I will consider that the most fluid that comes out 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 5: will be the better gig in my opinion. So basically, 148 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 5: it's an incredibly dangerous job during a pandemic like this. 149 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: So not only are we some of the first out, 150 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 5: but we're also going to be someone to last back in. 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: And it does lead to an existential crisis around the 152 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 5: idea of well, how can I be important to society, 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 5: and sometimes during obviously these times that the best importance 154 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 5: you can give to society is to not do what 155 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: you do. And that's an incredibly challenging thing because right 156 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: now you. 157 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: Haven't hung up, you know, completely like it got this. 158 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: You know, you exist very much in the online world, 159 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: which isn't on the stage at all. 160 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 5: And I guess that's the difference between how I view 161 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: myself and perhaps the broader capacity for me to find work. 162 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 5: So I was about to I quit my breakfast radio 163 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 5: job because I wanted to do a year of stand 164 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 5: up comedy, which is my one true love and the 165 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: thing that I enjoy doing the most. And I planned 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: out a whole year. I was doing three STEPS shows. 167 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 5: I was particularly excited. You know, I got to do 168 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 5: it a little bit, I think, you know, January every March. 169 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: No, I remember we promoted on the show. 170 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: I remember it was fucking confusing because he came on 171 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: and we had to plug three shows at. 172 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: The same time. 173 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 5: Happened really confused a lot of people from nought it 174 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 5: turns out. Yeah, So there is that idea of suddenly going, well, 175 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 5: the thing that I loved the most and the thing 176 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 5: that I've always relied on. Part of the reasons that 177 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: I've always kept doing standout regardless of what else I 178 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 5: was doing, was it's my trade. And I always thought 179 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: it was this thing that, regardless of anything else, I 180 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 5: can always just get up in front of people and 181 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 5: tell jokes, and is this is the thing that will 182 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 5: pay my bills and earn me a living and give 183 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: me meaning and give me something to channel my energy 184 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 5: and my ideas into. It's something that is very at 185 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 5: the core of who I am as a human being. 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 5: So to not be able to do the thing that 187 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 5: I feel that is most at my core, and then 188 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 5: to have a reckoning that perhaps government and the broader society, 189 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: while they love the idea of consuming the work made 190 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 5: by artists, aren't necessarily reciprocating that in support for artists. 191 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 5: It's been an incredibly challenging time to be within the community. 192 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 5: Now for me, some of these challenges are more intellectual. 193 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 5: You know, I'm a person who if I got told 194 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: that I never would get to do anything again. You know, 195 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 5: if comedy was shut down forever and I never got 196 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 5: to do it again, I would be one of the 197 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 5: lucky people who'd be able to stay. I really got 198 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 5: to try everything would have imagined. 199 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: I want to, and you can still, and you can 200 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: keep going, like you know, you've made a name for 201 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: yourself as a comedian in there have avenues for you 202 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: to exist happily without having to worry about gigging. 203 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 5: I can get another job which still exists relying on 204 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: my comedic reputation. So I think more of those people 205 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 5: who are starting out in the career or we're about 206 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 5: to have that next big step up, you know, their 207 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: Melbourne Comedy Festival would have been taking them from the 208 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 5: king of the local scene to a national name. Or 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 5: somebody's got a radio or TV opportunity, or that person 210 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 5: who's got a radio opportunity, but we're now about to 211 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: helm their own show and go to the next level, 212 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: or go from a hundred seat theater to a five 213 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 5: hundred seat theater, or a five hundred seat theater to 214 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: a thousand seat theater. There are people on the way 215 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: up that I reckon with more than anything, And I 216 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: think this is an incredibly challenging time for comedy because 217 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: I think after what we've gone through, we're going to 218 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 5: have to have a really good look at what comedy 219 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 5: is for and what people need from comedy afterwards, because 220 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 5: you know, I was doing stuff in my show in 221 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 5: March in Adelaide that really, if I could do tomorrow, 222 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 5: I'm not sure I could do half of that material 223 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: because the world has changed so much in that time 224 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: that some of it would just feel completely irrelevant to 225 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: be talking about on stage in front of people. So 226 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 5: this idea that when we come back out of this, 227 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: what will we want to be talking about now? There's 228 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 5: part of you that thinks we're just going to have 229 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 5: to talk about really important things, because yeah, what we're 230 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: going through now is not the worst thing that will 231 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: happen in our lifetimes with the looming threats around the climate. 232 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: This is the practice run. You know, she's only going 233 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 5: to get worse from here, right, Sorry, I know, just 234 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 5: need to get happy. 235 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: Attle bit. No, it's it's nice, right. 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: Something that we come to terms of the is a 237 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: lot of people think that, you know, COVID nineteen is 238 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: very much just the little sister for more and more, Yeah, 239 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: which is a big. 240 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 5: Great So if that's okay comedically, what do you do 241 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: when you come at the other end of it. 242 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: I think there's probably getting virus and you just blitz surely. 243 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 5: Well, partly that's interesting because you're like, well, this thing 244 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: that we've all gone through, if we've gone through something 245 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: for six months or twelve months or eighteen months, the 246 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 5: constant day to day commentary around it, does anyone want 247 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: to hear anything more about what we went through? The 248 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 5: part of me that things move on. 249 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, the last. 250 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 5: Thing we won't hear about anymore is stupid fucking virus. 251 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 5: Everything else, And so what do you talk about then? 252 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 5: And then the other thing is perhaps there's a new 253 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: sort of comedy that is more about distracting us from 254 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: the terrible times. Maybe it'll be a returned to silliness 255 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 5: and distraction. And have you found that clowning? 256 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: Have you found that in like, you know, in your 257 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: podcast work as well, Like obviously you know you have 258 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: inevitably like we're talking about COVID now, naturally, have you 259 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: found that with your other guests that you know you 260 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: sort of get your COVID chat out of the way, 261 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: are you sort of going into the chat going all right, 262 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: I want to try and make sure that we don't 263 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: talk about COVID at all so that people can still 264 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: tune in and get the same product that they expected. 265 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 4: When they when it wasn't a pandemic. 266 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 5: No, I think it's ridiculous to have a conversation in 267 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: my and my conversation is about, like, you know, what 268 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: is the meaning of our lives? And that's what the 269 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 5: podcast is. Really it's very hard and how do we 270 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 5: find meaning in our lives? And you can't find You 271 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 5: can't have that conversation without the context of what's going 272 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 5: on in the rest of the world. So, in fact, 273 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 5: in some ways we've been doing a return you know, 274 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: podcast with previous guests who I've had on before Corona, 275 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 5: and then doing an updated podcast find out if anything 276 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: they said has changed since what we've been going through. 277 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: So when I think in essential, it's half joking. You 278 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 5: know obviously that we are in essential, But there's another 279 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 5: part of me that is really like, well, if you 280 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 5: need this to be essential, what is it about comedy? 281 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 5: What is it about your comedy? What is it about 282 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 5: the industry that is essential? And that we should be 283 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 5: concentrating on those things rather than perhaps some of the 284 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 5: things we get distracted by along the way. 285 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's going to ask you I was going to 286 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: ask you will about the word in essential, because it 287 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me that you answered with inessential, because I was, 288 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, would Anne put a time into what we're 289 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: going to ask you? And it's really funny, like we're 290 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: trying to talk to you about you, about you specifically, 291 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: Will Anderson specifically is traditionally quite a hard thing to 292 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: do because you're a very good talker. You're good at 293 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: moving conversations into places where you've got a lot of 294 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: thoughts about them. But naturally, you know, the word inessential 295 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: has answered the question which I was. I was worried 296 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: that you might go for, which was describing yourself through 297 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: your profession, which you haven't done, but you kind of 298 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: have done because you've said it. You've said you've said inessential, 299 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: which refers to the fact that you're. 300 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: A comedian, and then you. 301 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: Know, and then we've gone on to talk about comedy. 302 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: So look, I'm glad we've done that. And I understand 303 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: that you feel innosential as a comedian. But it doesn't 304 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: really do you though, does it? Like it's not like 305 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: in terms of a characteristic that you would define yourself with. 306 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: It's fascinating because you are so good at putting up 307 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: just the most you know, impenetrable defense of words and 308 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: gags and everything which which makes you who you are. 309 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: It's just it's mesmerizing. 310 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: You can't stop listening, you can't stop following, you can't 311 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: stop watching your train of thought. But at the same 312 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: time it's like this beautiful act where it's so funny. 313 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: We were talking about fire Twelling before, but I think 314 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: you're an amazing fire Tweller, Like I think you're like 315 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: the best you know in terms of retric fire Tweller 316 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: I've ever come across, like You're so good at that. 317 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: But we never actually end up talking about, you know, 318 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: what word defines you as a person, because I never 319 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: get to think. I never feel as if and maybe 320 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: this is just how good your defenses are. But I 321 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: never feel as if, you know, we ever get a 322 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: vulnerable Will Anderson, particularly publicly like you're you're You're a 323 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: master at making everything else about everything else except you, 324 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: And I just think that's really interesting. So is there 325 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: any part of you that is vulnerable that you're sort 326 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: of willing to share? 327 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 5: Okay, so I think that, I mean, that was a 328 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 5: very lovely and so wrapped up in that was that 329 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 5: was honestly the Christmas equivalent of giving someone a tidy 330 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 5: little present, but putting in a really nice, fancy big box. 331 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: It doesn't sound like he's really nice to me. It's 332 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 5: not really. 333 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: Again in the middle, it is, for sure. 334 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: I wrapped up a hand grenade in some nice wrapping 335 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: paper and I put a ball around it. 336 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: But they're still going to open the present. 337 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: So please, but actually what you. 338 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Do, because I know what you're going to do, and 339 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm going to be laughing at 340 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: your jokes about wrapping fucking Christmas presents, and I want 341 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: to talk about you, your son of a bitch. 342 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 5: So okay, here's what I will say to you, is 343 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 5: that let's talk about the world. The word that I 344 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 5: went with, in essential, I think genuinely that it challenges 345 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 5: you to go if my career is in essential, right, 346 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 5: if we take that as a premise in the very 347 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 5: way that at least I just can't be doing it 348 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: at the moment, and if that is how you define yourself, 349 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: and do you define your value in the world to 350 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: a certain extent without that, who are you? Right? So 351 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 5: then you do really get to the sense where you're 352 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 5: challenged by the idea of I've been at home for 353 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 5: four months. This would be the only time I've spent 354 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 5: four months in the same house in a road for 355 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 5: the last nineteen or twenty years. With them, I would say. 356 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: You've been by yourself in the house, just doing what 357 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: everyone else is doing over those extended period of times, not. 358 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 5: By myself with my partner. And the fact that even 359 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 5: she and I have spent this much time pretty much 360 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: being only other person that that other person gets to. 361 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: I mean, it's funny. I was talking how long have you. 362 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: Been together for? Sorry, Will, how long you've been together? 363 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 5: And we well, it's a much more complicated question that 364 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: we can get to in this podcast. But we were 365 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 5: celebrated nineteen years. 366 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: So you're very well accustomed with each other. It's not 367 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: like you've got any teething issues living with each other, 368 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. 369 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, and no, And but the funny thing is we 370 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: would not have There would not have been probably three weeks, 371 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: four weeks go by where I don't normally get on 372 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 5: the plane to go and do something, go on to 373 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 5: a show, that go away and do a festival, which 374 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: can be weeks or months. So this idea that we 375 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 5: are in the same place constantly but not just in 376 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 5: the same place, but the other person, the other person 377 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 5: relies on for you know, stimulation. I was telling someone 378 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 5: the other day and they were like, oh, you've been 379 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 5: watching a lot of footage. The footy's done every night 380 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 5: and you've got nothing else to do? Are you watching 381 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 5: a lot of footage? And the funny thing is, I'm not. 382 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 5: Because when you're in the house with another person, you 383 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 5: tend to choose things that you can both enjoy. So 384 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 5: you start to go, well, how am I entil to 385 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 5: this other person? This is this is all my world 386 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 5: is right now? Right, I don't the world doesn't really 387 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 5: need anything else from that. 388 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: True, so true. 389 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 5: The only person who needs something else from me at 390 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 5: the moment is this other person who is in my house. 391 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: So let me just make a quick side note on that. 392 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating in general. I was actually talking 393 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: a Woody about this last night. The COVID has been 394 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: a burden in so many ways, but in a lot 395 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: of ways it has been the most fascinating microscope with 396 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: which to view your life. Because you're no longer doing anything. 397 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: You know, there's no cause and effect for a lot 398 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: of the things that you're doing. You're not working to 399 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: make money, to spend money, you're not in a relationship 400 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: to feel stable to then go and have fun with 401 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: your friends. You know, there's no you are only doing 402 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: one thing for the sake of doing that thing. There's 403 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: no you don't get to see the reciprocal benefits of 404 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: those things. So just it's amazing how I think a 405 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: lot of people listening to this would be thinking about 406 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: their own relationship, going jeez. 407 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: I've also been. 408 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: Thinking a lot about how am I relating to the 409 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: person that I'm living with? And yeah, as you said, 410 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: am I essential to them being happy? 411 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: Or are we just sort of like and are they 412 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: essential to me? 413 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 414 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: Or are we just treading water for the sake of 415 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: the fact that we both live under the same roof 416 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: and we're tied to a mortgage. 417 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 4: Like, It's pretty interesting stuff. 418 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 5: So I've been one of the things that has been 419 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 5: really interesting in that regard to me, is this idea 420 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 5: around because I do a lot of podcasts, you know, 421 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 5: and I'm doing this with you guys today, and you 422 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 5: get obviously during this time, everybody's doing some online stuff 423 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 5: to keep themselves interested, and I try to do as 424 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 5: many of those things for other people, particularly within the 425 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 5: comedy industry, as they can help out. And you know, realistically, 426 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 5: I could be doing them every day, because there is 427 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: demand to do enough things every day. But I've started 428 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 5: to restrict things to recording on Sundays and recording on Wednesdays. 429 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 5: And the reason for that is again so that you know, 430 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 5: my partner has a schedule around when she knows that 431 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: I will be you know, working doing stuff, and then 432 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: when I will be available, and that's structure. I've been 433 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 5: doing those podcasts, but well one of them has been 434 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 5: doing for ten years and we've never had a structure. 435 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 5: We've never had a schedule to it. It's always just 436 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 5: been something we've fit in around other things. But because 437 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 5: of that real you know, visioning, there is no one 438 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 5: else for you know, like ordinarily when I go away, 439 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: obviously my partner's in a place where she has friends 440 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 5: and can go out and do things. But at the 441 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: moment where you can't have that social network and I 442 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 5: am the social network, you've got to reimagine, you know, 443 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 5: your relationship to your work in a really serious way. 444 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you haven't answered my question about. 445 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 5: I think that was a pretty good answer. I'll go 446 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 5: to be honestly, I wrapped it back into the word. 447 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 6: About me. 448 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: Pretty good answer in the comments, can let us know. 449 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 5: But I would just like the moms up and you know, 450 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 5: you don't even have to say what it was in 451 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: relationship you you just tweet me or facebook me. We're 452 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 5: just good. Answer was, in fact a good answer. 453 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: Can't use victrum. It's amazing you. You are very very 454 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: good at it. You're very very good at it. I 455 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 2: know you want to ask me the question before, Well, 456 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: none of the deep stuff about him, tho. 457 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: If you want to keep attacking that front, you've got 458 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: your sword above your head. 459 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 5: In there. 460 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: I haven't been happy with any of his answers, to 461 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: be honest, I mean like they've been entertaining. 462 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 5: But he's He's asked me just straight up ask me 463 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 5: something you want to ask me? 464 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 4: Then, I said, I asked you that before. 465 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: What why are you? Asked me a vague question? I said, 466 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 5: about revealing it about my life. 467 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: I'll do it in six words. I'll do it in 468 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: six words. The question, yeah, what part of you is vulnerable? 469 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 5: I mean I would say genuinely that all of me 470 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: is vulnerable. And I expressed my vulnerabilities about the world 471 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: through my commentary on things like every thing. 472 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: You can see how you can see from the outside, 473 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: you do look very very much infallible in that sense, so. 474 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 5: That if you look at what I'm saying about things, 475 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 5: and you know, study my work, it always comes from 476 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 5: a place of questioning, not a place with certainty, like 477 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 5: everything that I do, Like the podcasts are a really 478 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 5: good example of it. The podcasts aren't about my opinions. 479 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: They're about asking other people their opinions. It's about you know, 480 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 5: I don't have fights and arguments with people on my podcast. 481 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: In fact, I think it's very really and disrespectful idding 482 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: The truth of it is that I think that you know, 483 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 5: you're constantly learning about me, and it's rare that I 484 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: ever say anything or do anything where you're not learning 485 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 5: about me. So I think, actually it's the opposite of 486 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: what you're saying. If I'm being completely honest, I don't 487 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 5: think that it's about me not revealing my vulnerabilities. I 488 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 5: think my entire work is an expression of the vulnerabilities 489 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 5: that I have on every level. If you listen to 490 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 5: the questions I consistently ask on velocity, they're clearly things 491 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out. Every question comes with an 492 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: example of how I got my head around that thing 493 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 5: or something that I'm still trying to get my head around. 494 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 5: You're constantly healing. They try to figure out the world 495 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 5: through everything that I do. So I think, actually, if 496 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 5: I'm being completely honest, you're looking for missing. 497 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: Miss or missing what it is. 498 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: It's really interesting actually, because I think that one of 499 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: the reasons that I think that that when people start 500 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: to develop that quality of being infallible or impenetrable and 501 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: all those sorts of things, is when yeah, look, don't 502 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: get me wrong, you're an amazing talker, You've got great intellect, 503 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: you're great to laugh with. But the other part of it, 504 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: which I think is just so hard for people to 505 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: get their head around, and which is the best defense 506 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: in any situation to anything that can go on in 507 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: your mind, is approaching it with this quality of interest 508 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: as opposed to a quality of judgment. Because as soon 509 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: as you're approaching something with interest, then you're losing any 510 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: any sense of identity or ego because you're not putting 511 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: yourself in a position subject object to that thing. You're 512 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: just fascinated by what it is. Because you might be 513 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: on par with that thing, you might be part of 514 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: it as opposed to judging it. 515 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: And I think what you've just said so true, Like you're. 516 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: So good at always talking about things as I actually 517 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: haven't going to be a viewpoint on that. I find 518 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: that really interesting And that's genuinely who you are, as 519 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: opposed to somebody who comes up comes up against something 520 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: and is constantly saying that's good, that's bad. And as 521 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: a result, Yeah, I think you're right, that sort of 522 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: develops that cloak of that really fierce shield that you've 523 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: got around you that yeah, maybe i'd definitely probably have 524 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: come into this thinking to myself that that is a shield, 525 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: But it's something that naturally develops when you don't try 526 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: and judge other things. 527 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: I almost think it's what I've viewed here is it's 528 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: the perception that people have of you Will as well, 529 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: you know, like people see the person growing on stage 530 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: and they see this, you know, as you say before 531 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: we'll fallible thing we've actually listened to what Will says. 532 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: It's not the case at all. No, that's right, you know, people, 533 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: that's assume the person who can get up on stage 534 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 3: in front of a thousand people and tell jokes is impenetrable, 535 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: but that's not necessarily true. 536 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, and I would I would argue even 537 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 5: the opposite, which is that if you were you have 538 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 5: not much to talk about, right, Yeah, I mean, you know, 539 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 5: the most embarrassing public thing that's happened to me in 540 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: my life as I got arrested. I'm playing the world 541 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 5: and I wrote a you know, eighty minute show about it. 542 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: And the show is not you know, even though I 543 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 5: was clear of doing anything wrong in that situation, it 544 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 5: is not a show about me going hey, I was 545 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 5: wrong here, And here's my povision on that. If anyone's 546 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: seen that show, that genuous show, it was a genuine 547 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 5: exploration of every moment of that going. How could this 548 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 5: have been from someone else's perspective? What was going on 549 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 5: in my head? How could what I'm thinking have been 550 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 5: misconstrued by somebody else. It's a genuine explorer of those things. 551 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 5: And I could have done it a different way. You know. 552 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: I had definitely material. 553 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 5: And all those things where I could have just said, well, 554 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 5: I was wronged here and look up and cleared everything. 555 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 5: But I don't even talk about any of that aspect 556 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 5: of it until the final minutes of the show, because 557 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 5: to me, that's much less interesting than the exploration of 558 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 5: how something that's easy terribly wrong. 559 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: It's easy. 560 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: It's easy as well to be able to put things 561 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: in pigeonholes and say that's right, that's wrong. 562 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, you've answered my question. 563 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: Now I'm going to have a fanboy complication, Will what 564 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: do you think, as someone who's been in the commentationy 565 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: for so long, incredibly successful, why do you think what 566 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: are the things that make people laugh? 567 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: Like? 568 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: Why do people laugh? 569 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: And do you enjoy the exploration of figuring out what 570 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: it is that people laugh at? 571 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 5: It's the only thing that I enjoy as g is 572 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 5: like you know, it's it's it's problem solving, it's trying 573 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 5: to express something in a comedic way. And the great 574 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 5: thing about comedy, and always say this the young comedians, 575 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 5: is congratulations, You've chosen a thing that you will desperately 576 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 5: try to perfect that it cannot be perfected. Then that's 577 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: what comedy is. It is Even if a joke is 578 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 5: perfect in a moment, times move on, and that perfect 579 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 5: joke can become a non perfect joke very quickly from 580 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 5: night to night. Sometimes because of the way you said it, 581 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 5: the atmosphere and the room, the thing you said before. 582 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 5: There are so many factors that can change how a 583 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 5: joke works and why a joke works, but also the 584 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 5: very context of society can change it. So a joke 585 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: that was appropriate twenty years ago is no longer appropriate 586 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 5: because of the world changed, not because the joke changed. 587 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 5: So trying to express things comedically, trying to find comedic 588 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 5: angles on things. You know, that's why I'm a comedian 589 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 5: and I'm a journalists is because I like to express 590 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 5: things in a comedic way. That's the language of what 591 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 5: I do the paint brush, the paint with which I 592 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 5: make my art is through coming up with jokes and 593 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 5: funny ways of expressing things. So yeah, that's absolutely my 594 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: favorite thing about the job. And then why it's so 595 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 5: difficult at the moment is that the completion of that. 596 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: You know, if you imagine a cake analogy, and you know, 597 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 5: this is just mostly because you know, I now live 598 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 5: in the hint of Lands and Byron Bay, and for 599 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 5: some reason, I just crave cake a lot. 600 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: So I think I know why you're craving cake a lot. 601 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 5: But go on, you hear the cake analogies. Hip medicine guys, 602 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: and my hips have been very sore. So basically, if 603 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: you think that you can stand up comedy, it's like 604 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 5: baking the cake. Right. So your idea, your ideas are 605 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 5: your ingredients. So at the start, you gather all the 606 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 5: ingredients together and they're your ideas, your observation, and then 607 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 5: you have some sort of methodologies. Right the preparation element 608 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 5: where you measure out is it this amount of this, 609 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 5: and you combine it with this, and your whisk it 610 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 5: like this. That's all you're writing, and you're improvising and 611 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 5: you're rewriting. That's your methodology. Right. Then you talk about 612 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 5: the idea of actually making the cake. Now you make 613 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 5: the cake on stage, but the audience is the audience 614 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 5: is actually they're not the oven. They're not the thing 615 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 5: that they are the cake. Because the truth of it 616 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 5: is that my show exists even without the audience. I 617 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 5: could go and do my show out here on the 618 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 5: balcony after this to nobody. The show itself is written 619 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 5: down on paper and exists as a thing, but it 620 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: doesn't exist as a thing until I put it in 621 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 5: front of an audience, right, because it's not the show 622 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 5: that I'm trying to make. The show has already been made. 623 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 5: What I am trying to bake is that audience's reaction. 624 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 5: I'm trying to take a thousand people who might not 625 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 5: have anything common if they met in the street, and 626 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 5: combine them just together in this one moment of unity, 627 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 5: this kind of uncontrolled laugh, you know, getting them to 628 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 5: laugh against their will all at the same time, to 629 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 5: me is just the most magnificent feeling in the world 630 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 5: where you can make your work. And so that's the show. 631 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 5: The audience is the cake that you're baking. It's not 632 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 5: the show itself in my opinion. 633 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: And so will do you can I when you're when 634 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: you are the artist with your paint brush, you're you're 635 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: making jokes at home, do you get more excited at 636 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: that moment when you go, fuck, yes, that's great, I've 637 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: figured out a great bit. Or do you get more 638 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: excited about when you take that bit on a stage 639 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: and you see that cake laugh. 640 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 5: So the first thing is you never know if it's 641 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: a joke until you put it in front of an audience. Yeah, 642 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 5: it happened up until at that point there speculative sense 643 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 5: its visit best. You know, I've been doing this for 644 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 5: a very long time, and I can't tell you. In fact, 645 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 5: if I ever come up with something that sounds like 646 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 5: a guaranteed laugh, I spend the next two days googling 647 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 5: it and wringing the other people because I imagine that 648 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 5: it's something somebody else has said. It's just stuck in 649 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 5: my head. 650 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 4: It's too much of a good thing. 651 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, too good to be true. Be the first person 652 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 5: who has thought of this. 653 00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, you know the other night, my partner was 654 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 6: telling you a story about my day, and she said 655 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 6: to me, she said, she goes, look, I need to 656 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 6: tell you. 657 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 5: You can keep talking, but I need you to know 658 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 5: that I'm not going to keep listening wine so much. 659 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 5: I was like, I'm going to use that line up 660 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 5: some stage. I'm going to use that in a routine. 661 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 5: I'm going to tell in this story. And I spent 662 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 5: the days goodly just to make sure that it wasn't 663 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 5: something that, you know, that was out of a sitcom 664 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 5: or aligne. Everyone said on some show that we watched 665 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 5: her anythings like that, And no, ordinarily I don't really 666 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 5: know if things are jokes until I get them out 667 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 5: on stage. I'll have you know, a whole bunch of 668 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 5: ideas and you know, things that I think are probably interesting, 669 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 5: but until I'm out there in front of you know, 670 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 5: the audience is the ocean, and I'm a surfer. You know, 671 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 5: you've got to adapt to the waves. You've got to 672 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 5: understand what it's like out there, You've got to use 673 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 5: different skills of different conditions, and you never really know 674 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 5: what is reliable until you've been doing it for a 675 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 5: fair while. 676 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: At the same time, find interesting stuff. 677 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: Will What's sad that that's going to be a little 678 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: while away yet, mate, Actually, I know we were just 679 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: saying before that you're obviously thinking about all the people 680 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: that have just started doing stand up comedy because they've 681 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: obviously found something that they love and they might have 682 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: to wait such a long time to do that again. 683 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: And you know, you sort of said that you've had 684 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: the privilege of being able to do that before and 685 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: enjoy that experience and hopefully remember it for as long 686 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: as you can, because you don't know exactly when it's 687 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: going to be again next. But I really hope that 688 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: you get another chance to do it, mate, just a minute, 689 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: that'll be a huge that'll be Actually, I can't even 690 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: imagine what sort of pleasure you'll be feeling when you 691 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: get to walk out onto the stage for the first time. 692 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: That's extraordinary to think about. 693 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: Just hearing you as impassioned as you are talking about 694 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: it now, it's awesome. 695 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, anyone who saw me on that last gig is 696 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 5: that idea. On the final night of the Ablet Fringe 697 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 5: in that camp forward people where the Melbourne Comedy person 698 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 5: Will been canceled two days before, but there was still 699 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 5: two nights weft of adelat Fringe and about sixty people 700 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: didn't turn up on the last night, and I said 701 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 5: at the time from stage, I said, well, look at 702 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 5: those cowards not coming along. Well, it turns out I'd 703 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 5: like to apologize those cowards. You were right or wrong, 704 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 5: you shouldn't have been there in that sense, you a 705 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 5: sensible one. Just take that back? Is it all? Will? 706 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on the podcast, mate, It's absolutely pleasure 707 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 2: to talk to you. 708 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 4: I've got to ask you. 709 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: I've you've got a chance to change your word if 710 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: you've if you'd like to. 711 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 4: That's the rule. 712 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: That's that's the gift we're giving all the all the 713 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: guests that if through the conversation you'd like to change 714 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: your word. I mean, it hurts me a bit to 715 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: hear you say you're in essential. I think a lot 716 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: of people definitely wouldn't see you as in essential. But 717 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: it's about how you would introduce yourself. So would you 718 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: like to change? 719 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 5: Isn't this a great irony of this podcast? By the way, 720 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 5: I come in all vulnerable. You know, I share my 721 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 5: you know the fact that I feel useless in essential 722 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: and clearly you're reevaluating the work life balance and the 723 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 5: way that I've defined myself through the job. I mean, 724 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 5: if you're visit this podcast, you really how many things 725 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 5: I've review about where I am in the world and 726 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 5: the challenges that I'm thinking. And I come in with 727 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 5: that and then I'll play through It's like you're not 728 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 5: very vulnerable the word enough, I'm lead with it. 729 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: Do you want to stick with her? 730 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 5: This is your final answer? You can't. Who wants to 731 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 5: be a millionaires. 732 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 4: Anywhere? You can change him? You can find a friend. 733 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: You've only got Woody, but you can find a friend 734 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: of your life. And I think it totally sums up 735 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: how selfless you are. 736 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 5: Mate. 737 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: That's you in a nutshell. Thanks for coming on the show, mate, 738 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: and yeah, look after yourself. Hopefully get to see you soon. 739 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: Thanks, Thanks, It's Will and Woodies in one word.