1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Women share my mood? 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: Sharing how you're going is one of the best things 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: you can do for your mental health, But when you. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 3: Most need to tell someone how you're going, it's often 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: the hardest thing to do. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: And if you don't address how you are, your feelings 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: confesster and lead to things like anxiety, depression, even suicide. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: In this podcast, we ask a range of inspiring people 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: how they express themselves in the hope that we can 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: all learn something more about arguably life's most important skill, 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: to ask yourself, how am I feeling? How do I 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: express how I'm feeling? How do I share my mood? 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: All right, welcome Will Anderson. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 4: Key, it's great to have you here. 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it. You know what my mood is, 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 5: I feel personally attacked by you. That started is you 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 5: just like really negged me as we're about to go in, 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 5: and you were like talking about the fact that if 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 5: this went well, then might be a tiny bit that 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 5: you could scrape off and put on your little radio 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 5: show if it was good enough. That's what directly in 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 5: the eye, and you said, if it's good enough. 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 4: I'd never offend you behind your back. I like to 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: test's testing you early. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 5: If it's good enough. This is already good enough. What's 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 5: happened so far is good enough to get on your 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 5: show if we do an audition, if we're doing blind audition, 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 5: blind content auditions. We're getting some listeners in a room 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 5: and we're saying, does this reach the minimum standard to 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 5: appear on Will and Woody. I believe we've already. 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: It's the perfect time to bring up the thing that 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: I want to bring every time you come on our 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: radio show. It is electric and electric and I truly 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: truly mean that, like it's. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 5: The radio show itself, or you work at the ABC, Will, 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 5: so you're probably used to some sort of it's the 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 5: Armish Broadcasting Corporation, so it's all strings there, but we're 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 5: working with electricity here at Willem Woody. You say this again, 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 5: put that bit on two. We've got two good bits 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 5: of content. You're looking at me like blowing your tea, 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 5: lads on the corner. 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: It's all worked according to plan for. 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 5: Me so far. 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: Is what you do. 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: It is a remarkable skill and for for Will and I, 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: we always know when you come on our radio show, 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: we've got five or ten minutes here a week and 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: just go, hey, Will, how are you going? And We're 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: going to get very very entertaining stuff. And I'm sorry 50 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: to put that pressure on you, but it's what happens 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: when you come on the show. But what people don't 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: hear is that when we will sometimes you're not in 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: the studio and you're over zoom or you're on the phone, 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: and we might say to you before the MIC's go on, Hey, Will, 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: how are you going? And I would say the Will 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: Anderson that responds to that is a lower energy and 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: and and sometimes i'd say maybe more honest about the 58 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: you know the fact that you know, are you going well? 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: And it sometimes like yeah, no, I'm going okay and well, 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: and I remember, I'll hear that and go like, oh, 61 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: I hope the chat's going to be okay. 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: And then as soon as the marks are on, you 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: are ten out of ten. Here's an example of you 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: coming in a radio show. 65 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 5: The message before I looked at their name, the message 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 5: just said it said nothing but this you ruined my life. 67 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: But that gets your attention. Guess what that person's name was, 68 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 5: Will Anderson. So there's at least. 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: One more how do you do that? 70 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 5: Well? I mean, look, I grubb in a dairy farm, 71 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 5: and I don't want to go back. I have no skills, 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 5: no other skills in my life other than the ability 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 5: to be funny on cue. So no, I mean, look, 74 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 5: I do think that if you can't find a way 75 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 5: to separate how your real life is versus how your 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 5: professional life is, then I think a life sharing your world. 77 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 5: I mean, it would be almost impossible to be able 78 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: to do that because something that you say often people 79 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: think like I mean, I often give the appearance of 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 5: sharing a lot. The thing I like to say about 81 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: my stand up act is there's a lot of hiding 82 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 5: in plain sight, which is I will give a story 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 5: of myself out to the world, which is the one 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 5: that I'm happy for them to know. And there is 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: a whole part of my life that is for me 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 5: and obviously more complicated and sometimes much more testing than 87 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 5: the stuff that I'm willing to share. So then what 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 5: happens is that the stuff you're willing to share, you 89 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 5: can still just play with that even when things are 90 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 5: going badly behind the scenes, you've put this other stuff 91 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 5: out on the record, is stuff that this is safe 92 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 5: areas for me to be able to talk about. Right, 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 5: So we got on the radio, we can play in 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 5: those pre designated safe areas, and it still feels I think, 95 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 5: do you give something of yourself doesn't mean you have 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 5: to give all of yourself. And in fact, I often 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 5: think when you're an entertainer, if you want to be 98 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: the sort of person that does share something of yourself, 99 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: then sometimes sharing the direct thing that you want to 100 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 5: share is the wrong way to do it, like often 101 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 5: you know, I mean in what way. Well, We've just 102 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 5: come off the back of comedy festival, so I'm obviously 103 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: you know, thinking about you know, things through the standard 104 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 5: putting on. 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 4: A show entertaining people. 106 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but also the idea of when I sit 107 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 5: down to write, what that show is going to be 108 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 5: every year. Yeah, it's always going to be like reflected 109 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 5: by what my life is like, and the challenges that 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 5: I might be facing in my life are all going 111 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 5: to be in the show. 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: Come from something, it's going to come for something real, Yes, yeah, 113 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: because it's. 114 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: Been written in that time, so it's impossible to divorce 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 5: it from the time in which it's being written. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 116 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 5: you can divorce during the performance. Barry Humphreys, the big 117 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: famous Barry Humphreys quote is that when he walked on 118 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 5: stage in front of a room full of people, the 119 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: only thought in his mind is alone at last. And 120 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: there is something about the performance in which that your 121 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 5: entire rest of the world goes away performing right when 122 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 5: you're on air or on stage or whatever it might be, 123 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 5: you can only concentrate on the job that it's in 124 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 5: front of you. 125 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: But I think where Rembrand said something similar about when 126 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: he's painting was started with everyone in his life when 127 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: he started painting. By the end there was there's no 128 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: one in his head at all, and him and the artwork. 129 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: She's obviously relieving for you think. 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 5: That when you're writing it would be impossible to be 131 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 5: able to do that though, because it is a longer 132 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: process than just that one hour you can be on 133 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 5: stage every night, so much harder to divorce your real 134 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: life from the conceiving or writing of approach. 135 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: And you're doing something that's entertaining as well, like you 136 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: want it. You know, you're there to meet people plan. 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 5: You know, I mean that is the aim and the aspiration, 138 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 5: and I mean it's not all highlights you can play 139 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 5: on the radio. 140 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 4: But if you want to. 141 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: See thirty seconds, don't worry we will find that I 142 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: want to put you want to for now. 143 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: There'll be thirty seconds. You'll get your clean every day 144 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: for a month. 145 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: But I want to tell you question of woods because 146 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: but I like getting there. 147 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 4: But I am getting. 148 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 5: I thought this was long for and we had time 149 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: for me to get You're in a professional. 150 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: There's a switch though that flicks with you. 151 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 5: No. So what I was literally saying to you was 152 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: the point that I think that it is impossible to 153 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 5: divorce it from your real life when you're conceiving something 154 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 5: in that way. Therefore, if you are going to tell 155 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 5: the story of your real life in that moment, but 156 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: you still want to be protective of your real life, 157 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 5: then your show has to become an analogy or a metaphor. 158 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: So you have to be talking about something else, to 159 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: be talking about the thing that you need or want 160 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: to be able to talk about. And so sometimes people 161 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 5: mistake those two things, right, They go, I need to 162 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 5: be talking about this thing in my life. Therefore I 163 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 5: must talk about the exact thing that I'm talking about 164 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 5: in my life, or I could write a show that 165 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 5: is very much about all the thoughts, trials, fears, whatever 166 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 5: I am processing because of this thing. 167 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: But never actually reveal what that thing is. 168 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: You can put it into something else. I mean, there's 169 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 5: one in my show this year that is not in 170 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: the show and is a major contributing factor to what 171 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 5: I talk about in the show. But I have the 172 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 5: same conversation through the prism of turning fifth or my 173 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: dad turning eighty. Like, even though those worries or fears 174 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 5: or reassessments of my life came because of another big 175 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 5: thing that happened in my life that I don't want 176 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 5: to talk about, you can still incorporate the emotions and 177 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,559 Speaker 5: the thoughts and the perspectives and those sort of things 178 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 5: still into the show without talking directly to that thing. 179 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: But you're talking. Yah, you told you I. 180 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 5: Was answering the bloody leasure, like this lovely thing. It's 181 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 5: laid it out first. I've walk people through it. 182 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: And you all, I think you got halfway there. I 183 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: think you cover it off in terms of, like the 184 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: content side of it. I think that's kind of beautiful 185 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: that you can get something in your life and you 186 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: can analogize it through something else. And that's still a 187 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: form of processing, no doubt about that. But there's an 188 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: energy with you and I think this is just interesting 189 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: for people behind the scenes in general, because you're not 190 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: the only person that does this and most IM gonna 191 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: say most comedians, but like a lot of comedians do 192 00:08:59,320 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: the same thing. 193 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: Ner. 194 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: It's the same thing for musicians as well. It's like 195 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: when you're on, you're on. I mean, Woody and I 196 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: have the same thing, but I think we work in 197 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: a slightly different medium now, whereby if you're doing radio 198 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: or podcasting, people require you. They require a level of transparency, 199 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: and if they feel like you're putting on too much 200 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: of a show or there is too much of a 201 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: difference between your real life and who you are on air, 202 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: they don't listen anymore because they're like, well, that's not 203 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: who I don't actually think you are. And you omber 204 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: you once actually saying to me, never underestimate how clever 205 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: your audience is. 206 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but I mean also, a value you're allowed 207 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 5: to have is privacy. If that's an authentic value to you, yeah, 208 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 5: then you would be doing the opposite if. In fact, 209 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 5: sometimes I see people doing the opposite, which is they're 210 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 5: oversharing when that's not authentic to the person they are, 211 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: and the audience can sense that that's not authentic to 212 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: the person they are. I've never told you that I 213 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 5: am anyone but this person, right, Like it's always been worn, 214 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 5: like my privacy has always been part of my brand 215 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 5: and my DNA. You know the reason some of it 216 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 5: comes with sacrifice. It's the reason you never see me 217 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 5: in an open like night of anything in the papers 218 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 5: because of my personal life for any of these things 219 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 5: is because I've dedicated my life to those things being 220 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 5: private and not part of my world. So it's authentic 221 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 5: to who I am to not talk about that. I 222 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 5: think this demand that somehow your audience like, here's what 223 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 5: my audience like. I'm even the same when it comes 224 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 5: to like meet and greets and stuff after show. It's 225 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 5: not part of the deal. It can be. I'm not 226 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 5: judging that people who want to do it, but that's 227 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 5: not the transaction we have entered into. 228 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: I don't think you can't be the same person who 229 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 4: you are. It's on my who you are. 230 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: It's mate, it's got nothing to do with that. It 231 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 5: is literally, I just did what you pay me to do. 232 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 5: I'm going home now, like the job's over. Like that 233 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: was like this we are entering into an agreement, Like 234 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 5: I can't stick around at the fucking radiohead gig and 235 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 5: go Tom Tom, I reckon, We've got a lot in common. 236 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 5: Come over, I want to furder do a wacky one. 237 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: Tom Job's done, mate, go home, be an adult? 238 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, how do you go getting? 239 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 4: You are very very. 240 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: What is this level of Like if you see me 241 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 5: in the street or whatever, I'll stop and get a 242 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 5: photo of you. I'm like, I'm not nice person, but 243 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: I'm not like you don't want to do for an 244 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 5: hour after the show meeting? What the fuck? Seriously, everyone 245 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: just grow up and go don't see another show, like 246 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: dinner or just talk to your friends about what you 247 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 5: just saw. Like, what do you want to people? 248 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 4: So what is your first reaction weet? 249 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: You just mentioned being stopped in the street and you said, 250 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 3: then someone wants a photo. Of course you have a 251 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: photo with him. They' obviously a fan. What is your 252 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: first reaction though to we? Actually, I know, we actually 253 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: happened to be in the same cafe. It was in 254 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: just around the corner, and it just happened. 255 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: In the corner store, an absolute hot spot that morning. 256 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 5: It was. 257 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: It was the holdest of the moy Nils there Titus. 258 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 3: So Raley's there, Will and I are there, Ben, Liam 259 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: and Bell are there, and. 260 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 4: You're there as well. 261 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: Right. 262 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: And the reason I bring that up is because the 263 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: word got out that Will Anderson was in the cafe. 264 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: You're very recognizable. 265 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 5: Spread throughout the. 266 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: Hilariously, there's a there's a mural of us making out 267 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: on the side of the cafe. And we were meeting 268 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: Ben and Liam and Bell who do the radio show 269 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: on nov and they Liam rocked up and he was like, 270 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: is this just the biggest fucking flex of all time? 271 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: You put you chosen to come to the place where 272 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: you've got a painting of view on the side. You 273 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: Will Anderson and Mick Beloy were in the front here 274 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: and you've come. 275 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: To strong arm and here as well. 276 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: You've come to strong arms into some radio intimidation. 277 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 5: Jamie Ruffle from Gogy Here, let's not mention. 278 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: How do you feel knowing that when you do walk 279 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: into a cafe or you can insert restaurant there, or 280 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: any location in public, knowing that there are going to 281 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: be a percent of people in that room that know 282 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: that's Will Anderson. 283 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: I don't think that that happens very often. Like I 284 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 5: dress very incognito from seeing me. I always have a 285 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 5: hat and sunglasses on because I just I do like 286 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 5: to be private. 287 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: And really, you haven't said. 288 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: I've come to do a silly little podcast or whatever 289 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: it is, so just minders and courtesy, and the fact 290 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: that I like you is that there's no need. I've 291 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: given you your radio grabs, I've given you a serious 292 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 5: answer and things I had. A rant team of your 293 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 5: team have never laughed this much. I don't even understand 294 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 5: that how someone can be this funny and interesting but. 295 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Carvel tunnel writing down time codes and. 296 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: Straight. 297 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: You just can't have him afterwards, though, guys, just make 298 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: sure no chat once he leaves the studio. 299 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: I think it's all understood. Don't worry. 300 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 5: Very nice, I think I think if fine. The comment 301 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 5: was from your team on the way that we don't 302 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 5: like a lovely chat in the foyer while you were 303 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 5: doing whatever show businessing you were doing. I was being 304 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 5: a man of the peoples, fine with the mate. I 305 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: just don't invite it in my life, right, I don't 306 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 5: need to go around like could you please put a 307 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: mural of me kissing my radio partner on the wall 308 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 5: because I need at I just like to go about 309 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: my business rather. I guess we're just different. 310 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: That's a what do you need? 311 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 5: What do you need? 312 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: Your confidence or your ego? 313 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Or is there something you need to be the performer? 314 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: What do you what do you mean? 315 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: I mean that what gives you the confidence to go 316 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: up on stage as much as you do and and 317 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: do stand up? 318 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 5: I think it's confidence, Like I really think it's just 319 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: I've done a lot of it, you know, like you don't? 320 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: Like I just think if you do enough of anything, 321 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: you eventually you both have a certain amount of skills 322 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: at it. But you also have wrestled with the idea 323 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 5: of whether you're good or not good at something, and 324 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 5: you probably are much more aware of your limitations. A 325 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 5: lot of disappointment in life comes from people who aren't aware, 326 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 5: like you. Often when we feel and myself included when 327 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: I was younger, When you feel bad about yourself after 328 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 5: a show or whatever, yeah, often it would be because 329 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: you were holding yourself to an impossible standard, or maybe 330 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 5: because you were young and like you thought that you 331 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: had like higher standards in you. Like I think as 332 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: you get older, you like know a way to strive 333 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 5: to be better at what you do. Part of that 334 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 5: is not holding yourself to a standard of perfection like 335 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: some of it is, like did I learn something tonight? 336 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 5: Did I do my best? Did I try to? Like 337 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 5: you know, like you know, if it goes great, great, 338 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 5: If it goes not as well, fine, as well, Like 339 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 5: I kind of it all just feels a bit the 340 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: same now, So there is no it doesn't really involve 341 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 5: like an ego in that way. In my like, I 342 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 5: just like doing it. I was telling you before we 343 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 5: started that I've done a bunch of other people's shows 344 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: at the festival, and I take this, I just take. 345 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 5: I get the same amount of energy from like. The 346 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: reason I guess it circles back to your first question, 347 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 5: which is when I come on the radio. I believe 348 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 5: that there is an energy in creation itself. Right, Being creative, 349 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 5: the act of creating a moment or something funny has 350 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 5: its own internal energy. You don't necessarily have to bring 351 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 5: your energy to it, insomuch as you have to unlock 352 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: the energy that is already in the moment of like creativity. Right. 353 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 5: Like I often talk about why I love my improvise 354 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 5: shows is because I love the act of creativity, the 355 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 5: active creation, more than I love the act of recreation, 356 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 5: which is often what stand up becomes over a period 357 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 5: of time, is like saying the same thing. 358 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: Vision becomes as well, Guys can just do that again, yeah, 359 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: the same way. 360 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: So I'm excited by like the act of creation rather 361 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: than the act of recreations. Why I've never been an 362 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 5: actor or able to act as well is because that's 363 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 5: not my thing. But I love creating something, like I 364 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 5: like coming up with something and it has its own 365 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 5: internal energy. So whether it be to do that on 366 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 5: stage or to do that on the radio, it doesn't 367 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 5: it doesn't feel any different to me, like to come 368 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: in and do this with you today. I'm still looking 369 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 5: at playing the creative energy game. So when we're about 370 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 5: to start, like im in because we've just done this 371 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 5: a lot and we're doing something a bit different today. 372 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 5: So Will says that thing before I start, and I go, okay, great, 373 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 5: that's fun. That's the start of our game that we 374 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 5: are playing in a creative sense today. And then we're 375 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 5: going to play this game a little and like, okay, 376 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 5: Will's pushing back on me because now he wants me 377 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 5: to be a bit more serious and answer his question. 378 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 5: And now he's like, oh, no, I haven't been funny enough, 379 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 5: So I'll be a bit funny here, and now I'll 380 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: prove him wrong by looping it all together and making 381 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 5: it feel like we knew what was happening the whole time. 382 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: You know, like there's a game being you're enjoying it. 383 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 5: There's a creative Yeah, we're making something together, right. And 384 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 5: I say that in regard to the podcast, which is 385 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 5: always I never think of it as me interviewing somebody. 386 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: I always think about the idea I'm inviting someone around, 387 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 5: and we're making something together. And then forevermore, we will 388 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 5: have made this thing together when people listen to this, 389 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 5: which they will historically in the future, it'll be in 390 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 5: a museum. They'll be looking at back at one of 391 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 5: the greatest podcasts. The only podcast that was played in 392 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 5: its entirety without advertisements. The whole network had a day 393 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 5: they played this straight. Didn't even beat the effort. That's 394 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: how much people were compelled by this bit of people 395 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 5: will it's a thing to them. They don't differentiate between 396 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 5: They go, this was the thing I listened to. They 397 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 5: don't go this was a podcast or this was a whatever. 398 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 5: It was just something that was made with a group 399 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 5: of people in a time and that they listened to it. 400 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: That's it. And it doesn't matter whether that's on stage. 401 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: It's a constant thing for you when you're making something. 402 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: When again, I mean this, but I do find it 403 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: really really interesting. Is that game mo, dude, game mode 404 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: for you separate to how you are if you're by 405 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: yourself or are you walking on the street in a 406 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: constant sort of game? 407 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 5: Are you talking about it? 408 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 4: I'm just interested to know that. 409 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 5: I don't understand what you think my life is like. 410 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: I just want to know if you're like the Martin plays. 411 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 5: Football at the time in shops and he's just grabbing 412 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 5: like a cabbage, and like. 413 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: Some people can't turn it off. Some people can't turn 414 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: it off and some. 415 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: People It wasn't your observation of me that I turned 416 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 5: it off all the time and then only turned it 417 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 5: off when it. 418 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 4: Was no that's but you deny that. So I'm interested. 419 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 4: I'm interested in it. 420 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely I'm genuinely incident and I'm not and I'm 421 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: not I'm not saying this for any sort of game. 422 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 4: I'm genuinely interested, Like I find the way. 423 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: That your mind works so fucking interesting. It's awesome, And 424 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: I just wondered whether it's a job. 425 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like I'm doing my job. Yeah. 426 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 4: Wow, interesting. Hey can I take you back to me? 427 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 5: That interesting to you though? That's what I find interesting, is. 428 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 4: Like because I think because if I treat skills like 429 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: any other, I just think we're very instant. 430 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: I find it interesting because I think we're really really 431 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: different like that, because I think if I treated what 432 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: I do like a job, or that was like the 433 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: label that I put on it, then I probably wouldn't 434 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: be able to do it anymore. So I'm I'm fascinated 435 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: by the fact that that's. 436 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 5: The one thing no one's accused me of, is not 437 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 5: being able to do things. Often they're accusing me you're 438 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 5: doing too many things and maybe spreading them a little thing. 439 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: And I want to ask you about that because I 440 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: know you mentioned a couple of times you grow up 441 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: on the dairy farm, and I know that, like, obviously, 442 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: if you're working on a farm, like that's hard work, right, 443 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: Like that is the definition of hard work. And in fact, 444 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: I know you've said a couple of times you left 445 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: the farm because that was hard work, Like sorry, sorry, 446 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: what you're doing now you don't consider to be hard work. 447 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: What I heard you say was what they're doing on 448 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: the dairy farm is hard work intos like manual labor, right, 449 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: Like that's tense, but. 450 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 5: Not just manually, but like farming is incredibly emotionally testing 451 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 5: but also financially testing. You're running a small business, so 452 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 5: you've got all the things about a elements and but 453 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 5: of course you know, you know, you don't sell your milk, 454 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 5: like it's not like your milk a cow and sell 455 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 5: the milk directly to somebody, like there are co ops 456 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 5: or organizations. You have financial relationships that you have with 457 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 5: you know, grain suppliers, and like, I mean, it's like 458 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 5: you're running a business. So often what I saw was bothly, 459 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 5: like yeah, my father probably did the majority of the 460 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 5: manual labor, but my mother was equally a dairy fun 461 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: like it was a dairy farming partnership whereby she ran 462 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 5: this small business that was the dairy fun Like was 463 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 5: like running a dairy. 464 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: Fun Yeah, and it's not their livelihood as well, like 465 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: it's every it's everything for me. 466 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: And I would not say that one or the other 467 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 5: of those two jobs was harder than the other. I 468 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 5: would say they both were really really difficult to do, 469 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: and there was neither of them that I look at 470 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 5: and think of being like the hard part. Like you know, 471 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 5: it's not like it was just the manual, like because 472 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 5: that's what it does imply, right you. 473 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: Think about it, You're like, oh, you know, you're pushing 474 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: a horse and cart or something. 475 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 5: That's more what I play off. It's just an easier 476 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 5: image to. 477 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 4: Have someone you're talking. But in general entire thing, the 478 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 4: mental load of. 479 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: Probably running a farm is arguably more jeous than the 480 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: manual label. 481 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 5: Well, my mother and father so when they had first 482 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 5: got married, one of the first times they ever and 483 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: this is the only time they've had to do this 484 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 5: in their entire lives. When they first we're taking out 485 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 5: of the farm together. Basically what happens is you inherit 486 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: a flock, like basically that you might own some of 487 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 5: or part of, like you know, normally that's how people 488 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 5: start farms, is they're milking other people's cows first, and 489 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 5: they're building up their own stock. While doing that, you'll 490 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 5: introduce some of your own cows because cows are pretty 491 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 5: expensive to just as a startup, and so this they 492 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 5: bought their first bunch of like cows, like really. 493 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: Substantive and your dad was really young, right, like yest. 494 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 5: And mum was this would have been she would have 495 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 5: because they got married like when she was like twenty 496 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 5: or twenty one, so like this is she's probably in 497 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 5: her early twenties when this story is happening, right, And 498 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 5: and they call their money basically into it. And then 499 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 5: the drought came and eventually it got to the point 500 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 5: where they couldn't even feed them anymore and they had 501 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: to mate for humane purposes. They had or be put down. 502 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 5: They basically you put all your livelihood and money and 503 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 5: whatever into this thing. And then you know, and their 504 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 5: animal lovers too, like there are I'm sure there are 505 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 5: plenty of farmers who but they were genuinely my dad 506 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: doesn't even shoot rabbits, like doesn't use a gun, so 507 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: it very much respects the cows, like very much. At 508 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 5: our farm, it was all about their health and livelihood 509 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 5: of the animals, and so something like that for them 510 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: was like a massive trauma for them to have to 511 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: really go through and what it was they wanted to do, 512 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 5: so you know, worst gig ever, worst called for whatever, 513 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 5: I like I like to think, think about you know what, 514 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 5: I can probably quit my teeth and get through this 515 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 5: twenty minutes of awards. 516 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: So that's what I knows. That's what I was gonna 517 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask. Because you're the 518 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: oldest boy, you're kind of expected to take up the farm. 519 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: You don't take up the farm, you go understand up comedy. 520 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 2: And then you were saying, before I get accused of 521 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: working too hard, of doing too much, do you think 522 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: there's a correlation between like how hard you're working away 523 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: from the farm to kind of like supplant this idea 524 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: of what you probably might have felt at a time 525 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: that you should have been doing, like, yeah, compensating for 526 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: that guy. 527 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I reckon early on for sure. 528 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 529 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. So when I left I've told this a bit. 530 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 5: But when I left journalism, the guy who's my boss, 531 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 5: I always look back on this. His name's Tom Burton, 532 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 5: and I look on so generous because he was the 533 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 5: guy who had essentially I've been working as an intern 534 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 5: at the Financial Review, and he was the guy who 535 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 5: basically had sunk the most of his time into developing 536 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: my skills and encouraging me and blah, blah blah. And 537 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: then I sort of went to him and said, you know, 538 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 5: I've got all these offers, but I just don't feel 539 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 5: like because I'd had a few different job offers right, 540 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 5: which really kind of in my head was like, oh, 541 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 5: I don't want to do any of these. This doesn't 542 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 5: just doesn't feel like what I want to do. And 543 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: so I went to him and he was so great 544 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 5: considering the amount of like, you know, he'd put into me. 545 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 5: He just said, look, you've worked pretty hard at this, 546 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 5: so I reckon if you go and find something that 547 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 5: you do like to do and you work equally hard 548 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 5: as that, I reckon you'll be fine. And for ages, 549 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 5: I took that with me as like a real good 550 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 5: like and it served me very well, you know, like, 551 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 5: and also I do think that there is an element of, 552 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: you know, my comedic skills. I have some limits around 553 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 5: what it is that I am able to do. I 554 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 5: can't do voices, I can't do I can't sing. I'm 555 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 5: not musical, like you know, some skill sets that would 556 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 5: be good for a comedian I don't have. So you 557 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: kind of just end up leading leaning in a little 558 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 5: bit more to you're good app right, And so part 559 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 5: of what I have a capacity for, which is part 560 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 5: of the journalism background, but also just part of what 561 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 5: my brain is good at. Like I'm not like i'd 562 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: hate to go and like Sala said, you're a mastermind 563 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 5: or any of those sort of things, because like remembering 564 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 5: facts or things like that is not my skill set 565 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 5: at all. But I can sit down with anyone, like 566 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 5: from any walk of life, and they can sort of 567 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 5: talk to me about what their job is and how 568 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 5: it works and whatever, and I can have a conversation 569 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 5: with them about it because I am curious. I'm very 570 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 5: curious person, and that's obviously quite a good skill set 571 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 5: to be able to talk to somebody and synthesize what 572 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 5: they think or what they say and be able to 573 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 5: understand it. I don't have a great capacity for about 574 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: able to then remember it, but it served me well 575 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 5: in safer Gruin often I'll learn everything there is to 576 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: learn about air conditioners for a week, like the industry, 577 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 5: the makeup of models, like every single ad, and it'll 578 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 5: all be in my head for when I need it 579 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 5: to show, and then once it's done, that's gone, and 580 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: then I'll pick up whatever it else is. But it's 581 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 5: obviously been a skill that has served me well. But 582 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 5: with that, part of that is intrinsic and a work ethic. 583 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: You have to do the work able to fill it up. 584 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: So sometimes are you constantly working? 585 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 5: Yeah? 586 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 4: With that, is it like a burden to feel like? 587 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 5: Because so, I think there was a time where when 588 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: I've been doing work that I didn't like enjoy as 589 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 5: But now I'm lucky enough that I'm in a point 590 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 5: in my career where i only do work that I enjoy. 591 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 5: So I just so now none of it feels like work. 592 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 5: I mean, even like I mean, obviously sometimes still the 593 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 5: hours or the travel or the something around it, but 594 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 5: the actual doing of any of the things that I do. 595 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 5: I mean, this actually makes me sound like an absolute preconnis. 596 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 5: I'm about to say this, but it's a nice thing 597 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 5: to say because I'm not sure that I've actually said 598 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: it out loud recently. But in the last few years, 599 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 5: what I've essentially been trying to do is get rid 600 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: of anything creatively in. 601 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 4: My life that isn't it's a chore. 602 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, that isn't like just me being able to be 603 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 5: as creative as I want to be. And then again, 604 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 5: like the energy of creativity right suddenly, then none of 605 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: it feels like job at all. Yeah. 606 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: I did just call this a job before. 607 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 5: But it's not a job like I mean, here's a job, but. 608 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: You can find the part of it that you enjoy 609 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: within that. 610 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think both of those things exist 611 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 5: at the same time. I mean, that's what they should. 612 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 5: That's what you're working towards, you is it. You're working 613 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 5: towards that point where you can go, all right, I 614 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 5: can be at my most creative within the framework for 615 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 5: which my creativity will be most financial. You can get 616 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: those two they kind of bump into each other. They 617 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: overlap a little bit. You need one a little more 618 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 5: than you need the other at certain times. 619 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: Your corporate gigs and your commercial dhows. 620 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 5: And mate, there's plenty of things that I've done along 621 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 5: the journey that have like you know, and there might 622 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 5: be plenty of things that I do in the future 623 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 5: that I just happen to be in a particular window 624 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 5: at the moment where that is my major priority. And 625 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: it does feel like at least at the moment that. 626 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: Is is there a scary bit for you, like at 627 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: any point I know, like for a lot of comedians, 628 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: or artists or musicians whoever really that we talk to, 629 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: particularly if you've got a craft that you know works 630 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: for you and you know lo and behold, you're in 631 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: the spot where you're like, hey, I've really got this 632 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: process creativity thing going on, and I'm getting paid for 633 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: it well enough to live the life that I want 634 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: to live. Does there is there any sense of fear 635 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: that ever creeps in about like not being able to continue, 636 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: like worrying about the fact that your mind might be 637 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: slowing down you or that that sweet spot's waning or 638 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: getting out of your reach at all. 639 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 5: I think that the only thing that you're aware of, 640 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 5: and I'm fine to be aware of this, is that 641 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 5: you're never going to be like the hip young thing forever, 642 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 5: right like in terms of that, and nor should you be. 643 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 5: And and to be honest, there's real pros and cons 644 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: with that. Yeah, when that is happening, right, Yeah, And 645 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: I think do. 646 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: You mean like when people are reaching, when they're kind 647 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: of like past that point and they're like finding hard 648 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: to be the person that they were. 649 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very comfortable with this all being part of 650 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 5: a broaderge, I mean process, and it doesn't need to 651 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: be all with me at the front of it either 652 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 5: like I've always quite liked, you know, collaborated, very good 653 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 5: at that, and like on all sorts of all and 654 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 5: on all sorts of levels, like I like a collaboration 655 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 5: where like I'm not the key person in it, Like 656 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 5: I love to be able to come in and put 657 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: some icing on someone else's cake, if that's a thing, 658 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 5: like you know, that's always been a thing that I've 659 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 5: really enjoyed. I think, creative, creatively. Okay, Now this is 660 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: where it is a more interesting conversation, because how do 661 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: you judge that and what does that mean? Because I think. 662 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: It's never really been defined properly, but they've tried a 663 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: few times. 664 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 5: I think, I mean, if I am being just entirely 665 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 5: honest with you and this, you know is I think 666 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 5: that probably you know, this year, I feel like I 667 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 5: did the most honest show that I've ever done. And 668 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 5: I'm twenty nine years into doing shows at the Comedy Festival, 669 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 5: Like I've done twenty nine different shows, and so. 670 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: You have the record for most amount of tickets sold 671 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: at the Comedy Festival. 672 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 5: I mean mostly just from coming back, right, If. 673 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: Nine years, you're probably going to get. 674 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 5: Okay, but that's a good example, right. So somebody said 675 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 5: to me that they were like it made a flippant 676 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 5: joke at the closing, like about whoever do we'd won 677 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 5: the People's Choice Award because there was a period of 678 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 5: time where I won it six years in a row, 679 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 5: and like their joke was kind of in that sort 680 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: of point of view of oh, you know, your time 681 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: has passed, and in my head I was literally like, yeah, 682 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 5: of course, and so it should have. Like the person 683 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 5: who's winning it now was the age I was when 684 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 5: I was like should it would be horrible for this 685 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 5: beautiful festival in industry if it was still just met 686 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: like I'm fine, like mine, I've got a great audience. 687 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: They let me do what it is that I want 688 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 5: to do. There's still plenty of them to be able 689 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 5: to pay my bills and I have to do anything else, 690 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 5: Like that's actually more fun for me than when that 691 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 5: other part of my life was happening. It's certainly, I mean, 692 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 5: it was fun when it happened, but it would be 693 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 5: certainly more fun than letting it not being that anymore 694 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 5: ruin what's happening now. And sometimes you see that where 695 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 5: like I literally said to you when the mics off, 696 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 5: I was like, I just had the most fun I've 697 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 5: had in like so long this year, and so much 698 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: of it wasn't about how well it was, like hey, 699 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 5: I got like five star reviews and everythinglah blah blah. 700 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 5: It was about things that were much more broad. 701 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 4: Than That's funny. 702 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: Another thing I heard you say was that your ego 703 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: and your self worth wasn't attributed to any sense of success, 704 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: Like you don't, you don't necessarily ride that in terms 705 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: of like how you value yourself is. 706 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 5: Certainly the things I feel worse about in my life 707 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 5: don't have to do with my career. Like I mean, 708 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 5: you know, if you were going to make me list 709 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 5: the ten things that I think I've fucked up the 710 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 5: most in my life will feel bad about the most 711 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 5: in my life, they wouldn't none of them. But start 712 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 5: with I was that gruin one day, really, But you know, 713 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 5: like it's gone down in those places as well. You 714 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 5: work for a long time, You've had shit days at work, 715 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 5: you know, a whole bunch of times, but like you know, 716 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 5: most of the time you have the time to then 717 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 5: make up to people that you're you know that they're 718 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 5: the exception rather than the rules. Yeah, like, no, I 719 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 5: mean there would have been points in my life sure 720 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 5: when this. 721 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 4: Exists, when you won those six awards or whatever. 722 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 5: Probably, like I hope I'm too much, but. 723 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 4: No, I'm how old were you when you were. 724 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: So? Like enough that I probably, But but there would 725 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 5: have been of course, you're young and you're dumb and 726 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 5: you don't know what you're doing. And but I do 727 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 5: think that there's something about this idea that we have 728 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 5: about I don't know, being in the moment very vogue 729 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 5: in vogue to like talk about being in the moment 730 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 5: in things, But in the moment doesn't just mean in 731 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 5: this moment. It doesn't mean sometimes your therapist will say 732 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 5: to you, take a breath, observe your circumstances. What does 733 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 5: it like right now? Like you know what temperature is it, 734 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 5: you know, feel your body, all those sort of things, right, 735 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 5: be in this moment. But I think sometimes that's oversimplifying 736 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 5: what we mean by about being this moment, Like be 737 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 5: in this moment, be in the moment of twenty twenty 738 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 5: four when we're having this conversation, Be in a world 739 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 5: that exists now, not a world that used to exist, 740 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 5: that you haven't adapted to lay be in the moment 741 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 5: of where you are in your comedy career and where 742 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: the festival is, and celebrate that. Don't be resentful that 743 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 5: it isn't what it used to be. Be grateful that 744 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 5: it is what it is now, and you have some 745 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 5: part to still play in that, and maybe a more 746 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 5: interesting part to play it. Like I use that as 747 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 5: an example just because it's in mind, but I think. 748 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: That CONTI your circumstance in. 749 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, like be in it, like understand what the circums. 750 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 5: I was talking to you about the fact that doing 751 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 5: other things and seeing other things in the festival I 752 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 5: thought made my show better, and part of that was 753 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 5: just context. I feel like if you understand the broad 754 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 5: context of what's going on. I mean, part of the 755 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 5: reason I like to walk around anonymously, and I do 756 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 5: walk a lot, as you know, I'm like that's my 757 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 5: big thing is like partly because of my hips. I 758 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 5: just walk around, but I just put my cap on, 759 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 5: and I put my sunglasses on, got my little backpack 760 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 5: and I just walk around. And I like watching people, 761 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 5: you know, Like part of my job is observing what's 762 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 5: going on, seeing what people are up to, what they're 763 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 5: reading what they're how often they're looking at their phones 764 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 5: like what are people doing? Like what are the new restaurants? 765 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: Like oh my god, Like everything's a barn me shop, 766 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 5: Like might just be where I was staying, but I 767 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 5: was in the real bar Me triangle. 768 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 2: That's a trademark of Richmond. Feel like you've been trying 769 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 2: to ask a question for the last. 770 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 3: Moment fast though it moved so fast I missed the train. 771 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 3: I hail a text in the taxi. No, it's totally 772 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: fine because I love listening to you, I really do, 773 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: But I do. 774 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: Have a question to you. Around it feels like mid thirties. 775 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 3: You're winning People's Choice Award at the Melbourne Comedy Festival 776 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 3: year after year for year, six years in a row. 777 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: At the same time, you're starting to have lower back 778 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 3: pain and hip pain. Can you talk me through that 779 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: stage of your life? And you just said before that 780 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 3: you love walking around. I've read that you used to 781 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 3: enjoy running around everywhere. 782 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I did. I've always liked being It's funny, isn't it. 783 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 5: It's like I wonder if it's to do with growing 784 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 5: up on a farm and like spending a lot of 785 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 5: your time outdoors. I've never really thought about it like that. 786 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 5: But what I really realized, like what I've realized about 787 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 5: being on tour even is like I actually don't need 788 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 5: a lot of space in my house, Like I like 789 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: where I am to be, where I live, you know, 790 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 5: like wherever that might be. When I'm in Adelaide, then 791 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 5: I'm like, Adelaide suddenly becomes that cafe down the road 792 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 5: or that place that I walk, Like I start to 793 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 5: walk the city, I try to explore it a bit. 794 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 5: I like to know what's going on, and yeah, it 795 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: kind of becomes who I am. But the reason that 796 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 5: that started was because of Yes, I couldn't run anymore 797 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 5: and I can only walk, and the best thing to 798 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 5: do when you've got hip pain is to keep moving, 799 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 5: keep moving. 800 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 2: So my motion is lesion, I think, is what you 801 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: say was, and my physiosais to me, yeah, absolutely. 802 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 5: And now I'm doing it's been so I've incorporated an 803 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 5: extra step in that, which is at least half the 804 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 5: time I try to walk without anything in my ears. 805 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 5: So I really do try to like be in the 806 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 5: like hear what people are yelling at each other, or 807 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 5: the sound of the city or whatever it might be. 808 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 5: You know, the change of environment between the street and 809 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 5: a bookshop or whatever, like they sound very different even 810 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 5: when they're next to each other. But if you've got 811 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 5: your headphones on and you're not listening, you don't hear 812 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 5: that sort of stuff. And so about half the time, 813 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 5: I can't do it the whole time, but about half 814 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 5: the time that's what I'll do. And it's great. I 815 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 5: get so many ideas when I'm walking, Like so many 816 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 5: of the things I think about, so many things that 817 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 5: are in the show. Often, you know, if I'm going 818 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 5: to come in to something where you know they would 819 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 5: like me to do a couple of breaks on the radio, 820 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 5: for example, and I want a couple of stories, I'll 821 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 5: just go. I'll walk in. It will take me an hour, 822 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 5: and on the walk, I'll just come up with something 823 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 5: and like, you know, like I find it very creative times. 824 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 5: It's incredible to go for a. 825 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: Walk and that hour long walk is like I know 826 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: that the ideas will be formed in that time. And 827 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: I imagine from your perspective that's probably completely effortless as well, 828 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 2: that you're not walking along going like you know, with 829 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: your notepad and pin sort of jointing down the ideas. 830 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: You just kind of like effortlessly creating sort of joining 831 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 2: the dots together, and by the time you rock up 832 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 2: and you know, press the elevator button, you're like, oh, 833 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: there you go. 834 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing. If you look like things just yeah 835 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 5: present themselves very quickly. 836 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you. 837 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 5: Know, just by living your life. I went into the 838 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 5: public toilets. I told you this story. I mind it, 839 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 5: but like recently I was just in a public toilet 840 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 5: and it was like flashing. There was a flashing red 841 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 5: light in the public toilet, and I was like, what 842 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 5: sort of emergency has happened in this public toilet? I 843 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 5: kept coming in because I need to go to the toilet, 844 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 5: And it turns out it was just a guy having 845 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 5: a way at the ural and he still had his 846 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 5: bike coming on, and it was just like I was 847 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 5: just like, oh, that's like something all you gotta do 848 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 5: is like go to the toilet sometimes and materials just there. 849 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 5: If you're looking like like you can't work with that, 850 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 5: if you can't get a couple of breaks of radio 851 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 5: out or something like that, what are you doing. 852 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,959 Speaker 2: It's a lot of times metaphor for what you're talking 853 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 2: about as well in terms of like having your headphones 854 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: off and having your headphones on, and like what you 855 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 2: miss like just like actually, like the map never sort 856 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: of matches the terrain in terms of your life. And 857 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: it's funny, I have the same thing with headphones. When 858 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 2: you got headphones on you, I don't know about you 859 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: tickle with music. For me, though, the narrative that I 860 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 2: build about my life, it's like I create the soundtrack 861 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 2: for the music, and then whatever's happened to me to 862 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,959 Speaker 2: the day, over the last week gets dramatized to match 863 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: the music, and by the time I get off my bike, 864 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't what it was when it started, but whichever 865 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 2: artist I played just made it. 866 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 4: They fleshed it out, They texted that story for me. 867 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,720 Speaker 2: Whereas if I'm not listening to anything, I can actually 868 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 2: kind of just like the sound of what's going on 869 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: around me is taining to the point that the narrative 870 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: kind of gets drowned out a little bit. 871 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 5: Well, I'll answer you a question eventually, I promise, but 872 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 5: I want to just speak to that because I think 873 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 5: that one of the things I try to be aware 874 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 5: of is what am I being influenced by in the 875 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 5: way that I feel right now, so if that difference 876 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 5: between what is my authentic take on this versus what 877 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 5: am I. 878 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 4: Being influenced by? 879 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: What is that? 880 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 4: My friends? 881 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 5: Is it the environment? Am I stress? Did I eat enough? Like? 882 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 5: Am I running late? Like? Like? What external things? What 883 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 5: algorithm have I been reading that has made me feel 884 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 5: like I can't do? Like? Why why can't I Why 885 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 5: don't I feel like I want to sit down and 886 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 5: read my book at the moment? Is there some external 887 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 5: thing that has been like And so I'm trying to 888 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 5: be very conscious of that idea of like what externality 889 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 5: is you let affect your life. I will answer your 890 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 5: question though about my hipain because so it started in 891 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 5: my early thirties. It was really about at the time 892 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 5: because I did not know what it was ostereoteitis that 893 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 5: got misdiagnosed a lot of times, and so people were 894 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 5: treating all the symptoms of it rather than what it 895 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 5: actually was for ages. So basically what I went through 896 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 5: was like a period a couple of years where I 897 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 5: was still training really hard, doing all these things that 898 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 5: were actually technically really bad for what I was doing. 899 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 5: In between like you know, going to like every form 900 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 5: of medical treatment that like not aware of the fact 901 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 5: that I was then going and like doing the things 902 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 5: that would damage me again. So by the time they 903 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 5: really worked out what it was, I was like I 904 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 5: had a whole bunch of other things that were also trouble, 905 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 5: that were related trouble. Over the years, it's got to 906 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 5: the point because I manage it now, like I'm medication 907 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 5: other than medicinal cannabis free, Like I don't, Oh that's 908 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 5: not true. I use like an anti inflammatory at night 909 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 5: to help me sleep through the night, but other than that, 910 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 5: like completely free of any sort of you know, like 911 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 5: hardcore medication. Haven't had the operation, but managing it mostly 912 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 5: at the moment through you know, just pain management. It's 913 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 5: not without pain, sure, and I have to be a 914 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 5: bit careful about it, and at some stage I'll have 915 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 5: to get both my hips re revise. But it's amazing 916 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 5: what like lifestyle changes, like just you know, managing my pain, 917 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 5: knowing what it is that it is good and bad 918 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 5: for it, Like I mean, if you'd seen me at 919 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 5: thirty versus now, Like I'm much better at managing the lifestyle, 920 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 5: like I mean, I've had some bad periods in between, 921 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 5: because if it gets out of control, it gets really 922 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 5: badly out of control, and basically sometimes you give up 923 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 5: things obviously because of so like when I was touring 924 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 5: in America, the thing that like people have often asked me, 925 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 5: are going to go back to America and tour? And 926 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 5: I like this show that I've written could tour. It's 927 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 5: a you know, it doesn't have anything specifically austral into it, 928 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 5: but I just don't think that my body would sustain 929 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 5: really the flight not well, because it's also then a 930 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 5: series of other flights on smaller plan I could probably 931 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 5: do the flight over Pig on a big old plane, 932 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 5: but like a lot of that traveling between like that 933 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 5: was what really the last time my body was really 934 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 5: bad was at the end of sort of when I 935 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 5: was doing all that because it was just so taxing on. Yeah, 936 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 5: so that was when it really got really bad again. 937 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 5: And so not doing that has made me my life 938 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 5: better in every other way other than not getting to 939 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 5: do that, if that makes sense. 940 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 2: I've got one more question, all right, have you got 941 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: another question? I don't know far away, Okay, I'm really 942 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: interested in this because I thought this was awesome. I 943 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 2: read that you're when you're on the back on the 944 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 2: dairy farm, your dad and your brother would go to bed. 945 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 2: And what got you into this is a comedy and 946 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 2: you're interested in entertainment? Was watching TV with your mum? 947 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 2: All like you used to watch comedy with her? 948 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? 949 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 4: She did. 950 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: She teach to a Billy Connolly showhen you were seventeen 951 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: as well. 952 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 5: Is that so, mum? It was funny? I was still 953 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 5: going to add cavalier about this, and I was like, 954 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 5: you know, story of your life. It's just you know, 955 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 5: your dad and the farm and then your mom going 956 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 5: this is not for him musical theaters and I'm like, yeah, yeah, 957 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 5: pretty much. 958 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, well before you go. 959 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: On, that's the question that I want to ask was 960 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: and maybe you were already answered and maybe it's as 961 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 2: obvious as it is, but like, is it like. 962 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 4: The role that your mother played and who you are? Like, 963 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 4: do you think that you would be who you are without? 964 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 5: Ah? 965 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 4: Well, I mean was not going to be who you are? Sorry, 966 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 4: but like, would you be doing what you're doing if 967 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 4: not for her? 968 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 5: Well? I think that what our parents were really good at, 969 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 5: honestly both of them, was this idea that you didn't 970 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 5: have to do anything other than what it is that 971 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 5: you wanted to do with your life. There was never 972 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 5: any presser like I mean sometimes this year's show is 973 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 5: actually a little bit about telling the truth, a bit 974 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 5: more about like sometimes over the year over exaggerate, like 975 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 5: you know, the devastating loss it was for them that 976 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 5: I didn't go into farming, But there was never a 977 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 5: moment that in the entire thing where they in fact 978 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 5: there was very important to them that we all chose 979 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 5: our own things. And there was never any pressure on 980 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 5: my brother to go back on the farm. He chose 981 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 5: to do that, and I think again that's part of 982 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 5: why he was happy to do it. 983 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 4: He went. 984 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 5: He's a build up by trade. He went overseas and 985 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 5: worked in London and Charls and whatever. 986 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 2: So it was like, yeah, to give to like have 987 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 2: that level of secure attachment, that's you. 988 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 4: That's really lucky. 989 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 5: So mum, yeah, so dad would go to bed early. 990 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 5: My brother's younger, but my dad would go to bed early, 991 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 5: and because of irrigation or whatever farm life, you know, 992 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 5: getting up to milkhows and whatever, and so Mom would yeah, 993 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 5: so she'd sit up and it wouldn't even be that late. 994 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 5: It would have been like absa Monday night, probably eight thirty, 995 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 5: like Maximum eight eight eight thirty comedy I can work 996 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 5: back by that time. And then you know, it was 997 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 5: like young Ones and like shows like that, you know, 998 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 5: Blackadder and then I think Aloa Loo might have been 999 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 5: on Channel seven at the time or something. But these 1000 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 5: kind of like old school British comedies that were like 1001 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 5: slightly naughty but not you know, not so like naughty, 1002 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 5: but and we would watch those together. That was certainly 1003 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 5: the first sort of comedy that I saw. And so 1004 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 5: most of the comedy I knew when I was young 1005 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 5: came out of that British Yeah, like Monty Python associated 1006 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 5: like Billy Connolly, Yeah, absolutely, Rowan Atkinson, John French, like 1007 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 5: you know that sort of school. Ben Elton obviously he 1008 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 5: was a big one, and so so you know, Fryan Lourie, 1009 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,919 Speaker 5: you know that old school British era of comedy basically, Yeah, 1010 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 5: and basically anything any of those people did, the ABC 1011 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 5: would shot. And this was back in the days to 1012 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 5: two networks where we lived, so ABC and Southern Cross 1013 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 5: which was like the commercial network. So no, so mostly 1014 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 5: we just watching the ABS. 1015 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: So do you think you then wanted to move into it? 1016 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 3: Just picking up on two things you've said here, mum 1017 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 3: quite stressed farm life, dealing with the back of house 1018 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 3: stuff with dairy farming, and I would imagine that for 1019 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 3: her watching TV at night comedies, she's relaxing and she's laughing, 1020 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 3: and you get to witness your mum feeling good. Do 1021 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 3: you think there was a part of you that saw 1022 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 3: the way that your mum responded to comedy and then 1023 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,919 Speaker 3: when I want to be able to do that question? 1024 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a good question. I mean, do you 1025 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 5: think that me growing up watching ABC Comedy has directly 1026 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 5: in some way led to me performing ABC Comedy on 1027 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 5: ABC Comedy? 1028 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 4: For that's what. 1029 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 5: You think she'd enjoy my modern stuff more if that 1030 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 5: was the now they watched Phil I think I think 1031 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 5: her own dad even like watch you know, most like 1032 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 5: they'll catch up with what I'm doing, But there's never been. 1033 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 5: It's funny, that's definitely where I was introduced to what 1034 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 5: it is that I love to do. But there's definitely 1035 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 5: not that sort of connection of like there's yeah, in fact, 1036 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 5: if anything, it's so kind of not special to them 1037 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 5: that and not in a like a because sometimes when 1038 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 5: you say something like that that it's not special to them, 1039 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 5: people want to read too much, right, but they watch 1040 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 5: you know, Mum came to see the show, like you know, 1041 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 5: Dad used to come, like he's too old now to 1042 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 5: just kind of sit in the theater and whatever. But 1043 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 5: like they're supportive. It's just not like you know, I. 1044 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 4: Think that they enjoy the show for you. 1045 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 5: And they kind of just they know me as like 1046 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 5: they're my parents. They don't kind of there is impress 1047 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 5: or interested in my stuff as they are in my 1048 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 5: sister's kids or what she's doing for work or what 1049 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 5: like you know, they write them out, but not sort 1050 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 5: of there's no sort of sense of any of it 1051 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 5: being special. Yeah, well as in like you know that, 1052 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 5: and I think that's right. They like look at what 1053 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 5: my brother does on the farm and what my sister 1054 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 5: does with their family and what I do with my 1055 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 5: career as all being equally valuable, but no more or 1056 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 5: no less. And we never have been made field. Like 1057 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 5: I don't feel any less than my brother and sister 1058 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 5: both have kids because I don't have kids like you 1059 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 5: in the same way, like there's none It just you know, 1060 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 5: like I always feel like and sometimes I think, you know, 1061 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 5: I'm fifty now, so like my dad was fifty when 1062 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 5: I finished university, Like, there's a part of me that 1063 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 5: sometimes thinks that we after a while, you're like, well, 1064 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,720 Speaker 5: dad was in charge for twenty years and his results 1065 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 5: speak for themselves. Like I've been in charge for the 1066 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 5: next thirty and might have been up and down, had 1067 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 5: some great years. We've about a couple of really tough one. Yeah, 1068 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 5: so a couple of a couple of her I had 1069 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 5: to take all the jokes out in the back and 1070 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,720 Speaker 5: haven't put down. 1071 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 4: Oh wow on that note. 1072 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's what we can find thirty seconds 1073 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 5: of this opera. 1074 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, how many wouldn't be doing it justice? 1075 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 5: Back and forth? 1076 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 4: You need the context a little bit. And she's been 1077 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 4: who have a whole hour? Just the four till five? 1078 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 4: Not the five tills, just four 1079 00:49:51,440 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 5: Secret sounds or something that's already say thank you, thank you, 1080 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:07,399 Speaker 5: edt at Da