WEBVTT - Dean Corll: The Candyman 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.960 Don't take candy from strangers. It's one of the first 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.920 things you learn as a kid. Well, what if the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.799 man handing out sweets actually made them himself. Well, families 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.080 would most likely think that this is a kind of 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.720 a Willy Wonka type figure who was just doing business. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.840 But as it turned out, this man was Dean Coral, 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.440 a man who between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy three 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:33.000 killed upwards of twenty eight boys age between thirteen and twenty. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.440 This is the case of Dean Coral, the candy Man. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.080 Oh, the candyman. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.319 Can't hey nice one? We harmonized and a joke. This 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.760 case is truly disturbing. Before we get into today's episode, 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.560 I'd like to warn listeners with a rather massive, massive warning. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.000 This case involves the abuse of children, torture, rape, and 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:01.440 more extremely heavy themes. This is all a brief version 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.119 of the case. There is a lot of further reading 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.520 that I've actually chosen not to talk about here. But 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.600 if anyone wants to read anything further about Dean Coral, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.600 and that's c O r R l ol. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.280 R r L chorl No, there's only one valain. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.160 Yeah. Choral choral sounds a bit like our pigeon cool 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:30.080 ch Chral. It's how Americans say carl chorl oh, yeah, Chral. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.600 I was just getting confused about what the night. It 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.080 really has only got one valaince. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.120 Yeah, it's either one. I know it's one R and two. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.000 L's choral coral chorl Yeah, it's like in love. Actually, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:42.040 when Laurel. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.920 Chral chral, let me just double check that's how you 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.240 spell his name there, Dean chral be very funny if yeah, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.800 Dean Chral c o r l ol. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.560 That's really strange. I feel like that started him out 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.320 poorly in life. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:10.600 Absolutely, quarrel coral gral. Awesome, it's awesome. Today's serial killer 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.160 is often referred to as the candy man or the 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:13.960 pied Piper. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.960 I don't like either of those. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.440 I don't like the candy man, especially because I really 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:19.440 desperately want to sing. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.440 Yeah, maybe at the end you could sing term singers 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.360 out if you feel like. The Pied Piper of Hamlet 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.760 is a legendary figure from a German folk tale about 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.280 a piper in colorful clothes who rids the town of 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.840 rats by luring them away with music. But when the 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.760 townsfolk refuse to pay him. He takes revenge by charming 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.160 their children away, leading them in to a mountain where 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:48.639 they disappear. I'd also like to go into the term candy. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.359 Candy is an American term. In the UK, they're referred 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.960 to as sweeties or confectionery, and in Australia we often 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:55.760 call them lollies. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.120 You know that in the UK, so we call in 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.720 Australia our term lollies. Yeap refers to like hard boiled sweets, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.680 like jelly lollies, like in snakes stuff, the jelly lollies. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.680 In the UK, they're. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.200 Called harrabo harribo, which Harabou is as a brand, but 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:14.000 they just call. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.160 All like jelly sweets, harrabos. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.480 Oh harrabos. They call it yeah, and they just say 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.280 sweets as well. That's a big thing in the UK 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.960 they say sweets. Lollies is kind of my favorite australianism. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.440 I used to be absolutely obsessed with lollies. And here's 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.600 a quick definition I found of lollies. Lollies is the 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.480 common term for what Americans call candy and British people 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:37.200 call sweets, referring to any sugar based confectionery like chocolates, gummies, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.480 or hard candies. It's a general term for treats when 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:47.400 a lolly when a lolly singular is often just one piece, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.720 though a lollipop sweet on a stick is still called 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.680 a lollipop. The word has been around since the eighteen fifties, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.640 and in slang, lolly can also mean money or losing 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.160 your temper to your lolly. Yeah, do loly? I think 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.360 it's a British term, do you lolly. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.200 I'm also obsessed with the fact that when we sat 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.920 down to record this, you said, if you need a 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.320 break anytime, let me know, because it's a. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.760 Really long episode and you've gone. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:15.119 Into a deep deep I looked into the phrase don't 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.840 take candy from strangers. It likely originated from the famous 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:24.200 eighteen seventy four kidnapping of Charles Charlie Ross, America's first 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.200 recorded ransom kidnapping, Oh My God, where a young boy 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.840 was lured into a carriage by men offering candy and fireworks. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.080 Charlie and the lollly factor. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.520 Charlie the loly factor, that's right, leading to his disappearance 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.080 and creating a powerful cautionary tale that became a common 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:44.160 saying that is very very relevant here. The case captured 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:49.360 nation national attention and highlighted the dangers of trusting unknown individuals, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.760 solidifying the warning in popular culture today. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.640 You just realized your iPad was upside down. I've been 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.239 looking at it the whole time. It's embarrassing to say anything. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.160 I'm glad you noticed. So this case was in America, in. 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:03.080 The America seventies. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.039 Yes, that's correct, in that it's not called the lollly Man. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.400 That's correct. In nineteen seventy three Houston, Texas, a boy 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.520 by the name of Alma Wayne Henley, who often was 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.320 referred to as just Wayne, led detectives to a series 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.320 of industrial boat storage units and walked to number eleven. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.560 Detectives removed the padlock with bolt cutters after getting permission 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.839 from the owner of the storage units. There they found 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:36.320 sacks of lime, a car boxes, water, garbage containers, carpet 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.200 and a child's yellow bicycle, a bag with children's clothing, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.719 an unconnected telephone, and lots and lots of bits and pieces. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.680 Alma Wayne Henley was the first to walk into the shed. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.479 He took a step inside and his face turned ashen. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.280 He tried to get himself together. There was something inside 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.320 this shed that they hadn't seen already. Two more detectives 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.200 soon arrived. Detectives at this point had no idea that 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.120 this boy was leading them to the dumping ground of 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:13.480 one of America's most notorious serial killers, Dean Coral. Digging 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.440 began body after body close to midnight. They discovered a 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.600 mass grave and would soon discover over twenty eight victims. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.719 Oh my god, so who was Dean Coral? Dean Arnold 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.240 Corel was born on Christmas Eve in nineteen thirty nine 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.039 in Indiana, just down the road. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:33.599 Was that avan this story? 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.520 When you were regent CHRISTI it was Yeah. He was 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:42.320 the eldest son of Mary Roberson, which is robo n 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:43.240 It's not Robinson. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.320 So many missing letters in these people's. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.080 Names, and Arnold Edwin Corel. His mother was described as 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.039 very loving and very kind to Dean, but the father 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.200 was the distant one in the household. He later went 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.200 on to state that he never even liked children. He 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.800 was incredibly strict with his son, and he wasn't so 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.640 loving or nurturing with either of their children. They later 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.680 had a boy by the name of Stanley for the 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.880 smallest infraction, Arnold will beat the children, and this drove 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.120 a huge wedge between Mary and Arnold. They started arguing 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.440 and finding more and more when Mary, you know, just 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.400 became extremely protective of her two sons. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:22.000 Good. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.080 The parents ended up divorcing after living an extremely fractured 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.280 and volatile situation in nineteen forty six, when Dean was 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.520 seven and his younger brother, Stanley was only four years old. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.200 Now I've also read that they divorced in nineteen forty two, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.680 but for math's purposes, I think nineteen forty six makes 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.280 more sense to me. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.000 Okay, I'm really good at mass. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.240 I know you are your to stepan. Do any of them, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:46.960 I'll call you in. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.040 I couldn't even think of the word of quite. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.320 After divorcing, the family home was sold so the pair 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.240 could properly split and start new lives without each other. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:02.400 Mary was extremely happy to bear away from her abusive part, Arnold, Mary, Stanley, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.080 and Arlold moved to Memphis, Tennessee. Arnold was drafted into 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.400 the Air Force, and they moved so they could stay 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.040 closer to their father, so decided to be stationed there 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.920 basically so they could still be close to Arnold. Even 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.400 though he didn't really like or want children. Mary had 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.440 custody of the kids, but she wanted them to have 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.800 some kind of relationship with Arnold. I don't know why, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.760 since he always didn't like kids, but Mary and Arnold 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.960 did try and reconcile their marriage, but the pair rarely 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.960 got along. Dean was shy, anxious, and quiet as a kid. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.240 He didn't go out of his way to talk to 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.640 people and didn't enjoy being in the spotlight. He was 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.600 not ever known to socialize with other children at all 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.479 as a child, who was also known as really sensitive 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.439 who would look out and had empathy for others, something 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.440 that is hard to believe as we get into the story. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.960 At the age of seven, Dean contracted rheumatic fever. Rheumatic fever, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.760 known as ARF, is a serious inflammatory ill illness and 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.440 can develop after an untreated strep, throat or skin infection, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.319 causing the immune system to mistakenly attack the body, particularly 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:13.160 the heart, joints, brain, and skin. I've got got into 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.720 the key symptoms here, but basically, if it's not diagnosed, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.320 you can have massive the massive repercussions of that, and 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.640 he ended up having a heart murmur for life. Because 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.200 he was neglected to have this treated, so he didn't 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.640 find out for four years. So we had this for 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.160 four years. So he started treatment when he was eleven 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.040 years old. The way they found out was Dean had 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.720 now had a heart condition and a heart murmur, which 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.320 was from a long time of neglect. Because of this condition, 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.480 he couldn't join in with a lot of activities with 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.360 the kids, especially sports. Well, the rest of the kids 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.120 were playing and having fun, Dean had to watch from 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.800 the sidelines. I watched from the sidelines, but not for 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.640 the last choice for dad. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.320 He just did cheerleader. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:57.120 I'm a cheerleader. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:58.880 He just wanted cheers. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.520 I just want to cheer. Fineteen fifty Mary and Arnold 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.280 tried to get back together again and moved to California, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.720 but it only lasted another three years, falling apart again. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:13.760 In nineteen fifty three, they divorced again. The divorce was amicable, remarried, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.520 and they remarried each time. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:21.440 That's interesting, like if you got divorced once, yeah, maybe 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.640 remind yourself. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.720 Of why exactly. But they kept trying to get back together, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.160 and I feel like maybe in that time they would 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.199 always go for the kids. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.560 Oh, of course, I mean you say that now as well, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.560 and you know that can be an admirable thing if. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.080 You're trying to make it work for the kids. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.520 If Arnold had you know, changed his ways and become better, yeah, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.760 it could be seen as admirable. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.720 But sure, I know, maybe I find. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.920 It even more interesting in those days that because I 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.440 think divorce was a bigger thing in terms of it 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.840 wasn't as common to divorce, but then get actually remarried. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.200 Yeah, pretty big. The divorce was amicable this time, so 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.280 the boys were able to still have contact with Arnold. Now. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.280 The weird thing about is there's not a lot of 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.600 information about Arnold. I don't know what happened to him, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.520 but I don't think there was a lot of contact. 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.360 Dean certainly didn't have contact with him as he grew older, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.600 and you don't really hear about Stanley at all. Mary 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:16.600 moved the boys then to vid Or, Texas vid vital 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 v I d O r min. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.120 At least there's two vows that's actually true. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.880 You're happy with that one. I remember with that one, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:31.640 except please proceed with caution anytime like I does anytime 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.360 I'd like to be driving. She was teaching me how 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:38.120 to drive and she go proceed with caution Texas, where 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.680 she met a traveling clock salesman by the name of 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:42.840 James West. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.520 This is awesoing Jake West, traveling clock salesman. It feels 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.640 very willy Wonka. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.160 It does. It's a very very different time. It feels unreal, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.959 doesn't it. They married soon after and had a baby 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.520 girl by the name of Joyce. Mary and Jake, the 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.880 ex clock salesman, decided to venture out with their own business, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:07.439 p com Prince, a candy making company. Oh oh, Dean 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.560 and his brother Stanley would operate the machinery and help 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.280 make candy. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.360 Oh this feels like yucky for shadowing. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.480 Foreshadowing. Yeah. In high school, Dean's only interest that I 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.120 could find was the brass band he played in instrument? 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:21.720 Did he play? 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.600 Come on, he played the brass brass band you were 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.280 what did you play? 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:29.760 Well? 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.720 I started out playing the euphonium, which is like a 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.000 smaller tuber And if this is this sums me up 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.280 better than anything else. So when I started at a 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.280 new school in grade five, I'd gone to a public 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.679 primary school and then in grade five I went to 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.719 a private school and they had a music school as 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.360 part of it. So when I was doing the tour 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.360 on the first day, I was like, what do you 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.440 mean a music school and they said, well, you can 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.200 choose an instrument like any of the instruments we've got, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:12:59.920 and you can. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.720 Instrument chooses you. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.439 Now I was like what, And I said, in grade five, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.640 is there any Is there any instrument that no one 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:10.280 in the school? 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:10.560 Oh? 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:15.800 Yeah, from prep to your twelve play And the teacher said, yes, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.160 the euphonium, And I said, I'll do that one. I 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.320 like that bleave, but that's not a brass like it's 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.080 a brass instrument, but it's not a very brass band instrument. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.360 That one I played in this symphony orchestra. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.880 The Schools Symphony Orchestra, not like the Melbourne the Symphony Orchestra. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.520 But then I decided in grade ten the euphonium wasn't cool, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.280 so I upgraded to the trombone. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.240 Oh, very cool, very cool, And that's what I played 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.640 in the brass band. Continue please with caution. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.079 Proceed with cautioned. He never socialized as he grew older, 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.040 but he maintained really good grades. He continued to make 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.160 no friends and was always a bit of a loner, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.360 spending his time helping his mum and stepfather with their 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:52.000 candy store. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.120 He must have played the euphonium if. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.160 After his graduation his family moved to Houston, Texas. They 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:03.360 moved their candy operations into a new shop. His stepdad 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.640 would go out selling the money, changing from clocks to candy, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.559 and his mum would make the candy in the store. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.240 Selling the money. You said he'd go out selling the. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.480 Money, changing from clocks to candy. Yeah, I don't say 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.080 selling the money. I did. Yeah, yeah, he candy, selling 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.800 the candy, making the money. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:21.720 I got it. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.720 A couple of years out of high school, Dean moved 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.000 to Indiana to live with his grandmother. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.120 Gosh, there's a lot of movement, a lot of movement 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:30.000 by this age. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.400 He stayed there for around two years. He met a 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.720 girl and soon they were in a relationship. It fell 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.200 apart pretty quickly, and she asked him to marry her, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.560 but he said no. Oh oh wow, he said no. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.800 He ended up moving back to Houston after a couple 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.840 of years. He started helping with the family candy business 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.040 and took it a bit more seriously. In nineteen sixty two, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.560 seeing this as a career pathway. He lived with them 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.360 briefly and then ended up living with his mum and 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.240 stepdad Jake, and then ended up renting his owner part 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.600 above the candy shop. His stepfather, Jake at one point 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.000 noticed some things about Dean and took Mary aside to 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.440 tell her that he suspected Dean was gay. She got 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.960 offended and insisted he wasn't. Mary was extremely homophobic and 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.200 thought that gay people were disgusting. There was her words, disgusting. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.960 You know who's disgusting, Mary, Mary, Yeah, Robertson, Mary Roberson, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:25.160 get an inn in your name. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.720 For once, she thought of her son as loyal, obedient, helpful, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.720 loving and a good and normal boy. That's how she is. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:33.600 He's all of those things, those things. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.760 Knowing this from the intro. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.920 I don't think he is those things. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.480 But that's not no, no, no, I think we're describing a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.040 gay person. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.640 Yes that I was like, yeah, yes, he was to 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.680 do with that, But then I remembered we're talking about 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:47.960 a serial man. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.080 Knowing this about his mum, Dean never felt comfortable enough 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.400 to talk about his sexuality with his mum or his stepfather. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.320 It's unclear really what this relationship was with his biological father, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.080 Arnold was well, but at this point all we'd really know, 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.880 and I don't really think there was a relationship salvaged 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.239 there at all. In nineteen sixty three, his mother divorced 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.280 her husband and then opened up her own candy business, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.280 the Coral Candy Company, and made Dean the vice president. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.280 Now it was a store. I found it very funny 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.960 that he was a vice president still have a store. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.280 And also at this time I did read something that 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.600 was like they were still living together at the time 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.239 she started the store. So there was two candy companies 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:33.600 running out of the same place. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:35.640 Oh dear, okay, yeap. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.560 Not long into the business, a teen male employee came 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.760 forward and accused Dean of trying to proposition him. Nothing happened, 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.480 The young boy was just fired. Sorry, so he was 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.560 married to have a conversation. They said, no, you know, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.160 oh God, And no one took the time to investigate. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.960 And howld was Dean now like twenties. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.560 Twenties Yeah, Mary did not believe that her son would 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.360 do something like that. Dean was drafted into the US 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:09.120 Army in August nineteen sixty four. US operations in Vietnam 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.639 were expanding at the time, and Dean was sent to 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.120 Louisiana for basic training, then on to Georgia. Hey that's 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.480 my name, it's your name, and then a permanent assignment 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.240 in Texas. He worked as a radio repairman. During this time. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.560 He absolutely hated military training and applied for a hardship 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.440 discharge using the excuse that he had to be home 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.840 with his family to run the family business vice president. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.000 Of course, of course, he was only in there for 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.720 about ten months and got out in nineteen sixty five. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.560 Well, that's a long time to be doing something you really. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.600 Have Absolutely, during this time in the army, Dean first 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.600 realized that he was homosexual. He actually told people in 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.480 the army that he thought that he was. He got 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.160 out of the army and resumed his position as vice president. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.480 As vice president at the Coral Candy Company, the main 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.240 competition at this point was Dean's stepdad, Jake's candy business. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.400 That's so weird, So weird. Dean was working crazy hours 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.920 at this point and they were trying hard to make 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.480 it work and meet the supplier and demand, the supply 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:15.160 and demand of the local Houston. Late in nineteen sixty five, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.440 the family business moved the location of the company across 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.720 the road from Helm's elementary school. A lot of the 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.560 kids would obviously stop by the store, and Dean would 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.119 hand out a lot of free sweets to the kids, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.240 luring them into the shop to entice them to buy more. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.760 This is where he started to earn the nickname the 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:40.200 candy Man. Never say it three times. Some people started 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.160 calling Dean the pied Piper. He was giving out free 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.719 candy to local children and luring them away from their school. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.360 While all of this seemed innocent on the outside, there 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.919 was a very dark part of Dean's mind that was 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.000 brewing away. He favored teen boys, and there happened to 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.120 be quite a few now working the candy company. Many 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.600 of the boys found him to be incredibly creepy. Nobody 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.840 did anything about his behavior time and time again. He 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.040 was also known to bury defective candy at night outside. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.160 Not in the bins he bury it. He'd actually dig 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.560 up and bury candy. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.200 That's so weird. Also, what is defective candy? 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.520 Well, I guess candy that doesn't look perfect. I'm guessing. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.600 But some have speculated that his killings could have become 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:33.960 a lot earlier. Yeah, oh, yeah, so he said he 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.840 was just burying candy out at night, so he had 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.399 an excuse. But people have since said his victim count 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.199 was actually a lot higher and he started a lot earlier. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.480 Like there's nothing funny about this, but for want of 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.600 a better term, it is a bit funny to me 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.639 to think that he said, Oh, there's candy that that 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.960 can't be sold, so I've just been burying in my 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.000 garden kids. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.280 I'm sure the people go, Okay. 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:05.959 Yes, also going. I could have it. Dean cleared out 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.960 of back room of the store and installed a pool 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.280 table so boys would want to come and hang out 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:10.600 with him. 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:11.560 Sad. 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.680 This is when he made friends with a twelve year 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.760 old boy and a very important person in this case, 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.600 a boy by the name of David Brooks. He was 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.640 one of the kids who would show up, get free 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.399 candy and play Paul. He would give that he would 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.960 give more free candy to the boys around around the 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.399 neighborhood and bring them into the store. This would become 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.679 a very important hangout spot, free candy and Paul for 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.160 everyone who wanted to come in. This is exactly what 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:45.280 Dean wanted. David said at the time that Dean was 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.480 the only person who didn't make fun of his glasses. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.600 Isn't that's sad? He had big glasses and Dean with 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.080 young didn't make fun of him. He had a friend 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.760 in Dean, and he treated him well. David Brooks started 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.240 to see Dean as somewhat of a surrogate dad. Dean 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.640 would give him money and take him everywhere with him. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:07.640 David would come home or David came from a home 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.199 sorry where his parents weren't together, and seemed like he 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.120