1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: The proposed art gallery Aboriginal Art Gallery and Alice Springs 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: is looking like it's dead in the water. 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: The treasurer of Bill. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Yan yesterday tang telling ABC Alla Springs that he's scrapping 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: the project now. He spoke to the broadcaster and said 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: that he's going to write to the Federal Infrastructure, Transport 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: and Regional Development and Local Government Minister Catherine King to 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: say the CELP is not going ahead with this project. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: Bill Yan joins me on the line. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: Good morning Bill, Good morning Katie, and good morning to 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: you listeners. 12 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Bill. 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Have you written to the federal minister advising her that 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: you're pulling the pin on this project? 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: Yes, we have, Katie a little went through to kats 16 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: and King yesterday to say that the CELP is not 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: going to proceed with atsiaga got to get off the 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: merrygo round, Katie with this has been going on for 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: over nine years now ran and ran in circles and 20 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: this is just the last iteration of Now we have 21 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: Marion Scrimjaw actively campaigning against gallery in a current site. 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: So in an all good faith I can't continue with 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: this project and won't if I'm not going to get 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: the support of the commrall it can't go ahead, and 25 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: it's pretty evident we're not going to get that bill. 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: Are you just throwing your toys out of the court here? 27 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: Are you going? 28 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Nu? I want to build it here, and I'm only 29 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: doing it at this scale, and I'm not prepared to 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: do it any differently. 31 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think we've got a little bit of a 32 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: history on the entire project, Katie. So the budget was 33 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: the budget we're looking at just on around one hundred 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: and sixty million dollars to delivered the project, some from 35 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: us and some from the Commonwealth. We found out when 36 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: we got into government that labor we're going to spend 37 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: in excess of three hundred million dollars on this gallery. 38 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: There's money that we don't have, Katie. I've only to 39 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: look at the state of our books and the one 40 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: point four billion dollar black hole that we inherited unfunded 41 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: projects and unfunded liabilities. So the money wasn't there. And 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: that's when I went back to the department and said, look, okay, 43 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: we'll do the gallery, but this is the budget. You've 44 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: got to deliver on that budget. And they went back 45 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: away and they done the design work to deliver on 46 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: that budget and then Marion's grimjaw come and said, no, 47 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: well I don't like the new design. I don't like 48 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: the location. Of course, then she's talking to the federal 49 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: minister advocating for that, and I think you going around 50 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,559 Speaker 3: round in circle. 51 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: Everybody. I totally get it that you know that if 52 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: we don't have the money, we don't have the money, 53 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: and so you've got to you know, you've got to 54 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: do it within scale, and you've got to do it 55 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: within you know, the remit that you can. So I 56 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: totally understand from that perspective. But I guess from the 57 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: other perspective. You know, Catherine King had told us on 58 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the show last week that the money was still on 59 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: the table, but she said that that scope and scale 60 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: of the project had changed. I mean, the fact is, 61 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: obviously when you came in as the Treasurer and also 62 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: as the Minister for Infrastructure, the government of the day, 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the CLP has had to look at this project and go, 64 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: how can we do it within the you know, within 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the budget. You've had to change the scale, you've had 66 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: to change the location. But could you just sit back 67 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: at the table with Catherine King and go all right, 68 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: these are the reasons why and let's still move ahead. 69 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's more than Catherine, I said, We've 70 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: got Mariage Shrimdaw is the one that's advocating and maunt 71 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: of that campaign that it can't go there, that it's 72 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: got to go halfway between Alice Springs and the airport. Now, 73 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: the whole idea with the gallery, and I said, I 74 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: think I've said it many times. I was sitting in 75 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: the room when the decisions were made by the Gunner 76 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: government back in late twenty sixteen. The gallery was to 77 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: go at the end of the all too apart from 78 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: a having that cultural icon, but secondly it was to 79 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: drive investment and of course business in the Todd Male 80 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: So what's the point of taking the gallery and plunging 81 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: it halfway to the airport. It's just it doesn't serve 82 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: any purpose. And that's what was being pushed by the Memophylingiaria. 83 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: We haven't seen Chancey back to the bot too. 84 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, there is no doubt that this has been 85 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: sort of quite the debacle right from the get go. 86 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not shying away from that. And to me, 87 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: this art gallery is not going to impact my life 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: in any way whether it goes ahead or not. But 89 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching on the abs SE news last 90 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: night and seeing retailers down the mall. You know, I'm 91 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: speaking to Daniel Rochford on Monday, and they're saying this 92 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: is going to have an impact, like it's going to 93 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: have a negative impact. The fact that it's now not happening. 94 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: I know the other side. 95 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: Of the argument. 96 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: We've certainly got people messaging in about this saying, you know, Wolfe, 97 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: we just can't afford it. But you know, people are 98 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: certainly tourism operators. I would imagine some are relying on 99 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: this going ahead and wanting it to go ahead. 100 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's been nine long years and im say 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: it's been an absolute debarkle Cadi. Four years Labor announced 102 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: it didn't do anything for four years and apart from 103 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: apparently having a lat has in them all and then 104 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: four years they finally decided to do something. Divided our 105 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: community completely and we've come in. We're picking up the 106 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: mess again. But I drop it squarely back on the 107 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: member Philingiari. She's the one where so we had the plans, 108 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: we had the money, we've done the scope, we get 109 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: delivered the deliver the gallery for the money that we 110 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: had in the location that we had, and this is 111 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: the location the previous government had compulsory acquired from the 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: l Springstown Council. So all that work's been done. I 113 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: can't go and change the location. Other world, we've got 114 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: to spend more money in the way the project met again. 115 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: So we had a location, we had a budget, and 116 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: we're able to deliver a gallery that had one hundred 117 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: square made his less exhibition space than the previous gallery 118 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: for the budget that we had. But it's just not 119 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: good enough for the memor filling gowerage that She's advocated 120 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: against it wide and far and advocating to Catherine King, 121 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: the federal Minister, for it not to go ahead there 122 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: and they said for us, okay, enough is enough. I'm 123 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: not going to go run and run in service for 124 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: another twelve months lady months. 125 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: And what happens now though, I mean what happens now 126 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: though it's understood that the government is going to need 127 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: to account for the sixteen million dollars of Commonwealth funding 128 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: that's already been received for that gallery. So how do 129 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: you account for that or what's the go with that? 130 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, the Commonwealth made aggress payment of sixty million 131 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: dollars that's still sitting there and that hasn't been so 132 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: it hasn't been used, so that that will return to 133 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: the Commonwealth. So when we do that, then we'll go 134 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: back and then we look at what we got left 135 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: and then how we invest that. 136 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know Robin Lamley is saying is need a 137 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: new hospital in Central Australia. 138 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I need a little bit more than 139 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: what's on what's on off and for a new hospital 140 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: and all springs with that money case well and Bill. 141 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: That probably takes me to my next point. You know, 142 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing quite a bit over recent months is 143 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the CLP government and the Federal Labor government. There's no 144 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: love loss between you guys, right Like, I get it, 145 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: and I understand that there's going to be rgi bargie 146 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: in different ways, particularly you know when you're wanting to 147 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: deliver projects and and things are going to have to 148 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: be downsized or downscaled or you know, it's difficult, but 149 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's to the betterment 150 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: of all Territorians if you guys can work together. Now, 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: at the disk of sounding like a mother here, I 152 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: feel like the relationship is souring, and it's souring real fast, 153 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: and that is not going to be good for anybody 154 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: living in the Northern Territory. 155 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: I think this project, I suppose is probably unique in 156 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: some respects, Katie. But I've got a very good relationship 157 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: with the Federal Minister, Katin King. We work together closely 158 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: on a number of different projects, and I think I 159 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: believe that relationship is still strong and it needs to 160 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: be strong for the betterment of the territory. So I'll 161 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: continue to work closely with the Federal Minister to make 162 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: sure that we're getting those projects done on budget and 163 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: on time that we've committed to. But the art gallery 164 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: projects now Springs has just been an absolute fast and 165 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: a debarkle for nine long years now, Katie. And I'm 166 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: not going to continue to throw good money after bad 167 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: when I know that I don't have support from the 168 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: federal member who's advocating against it. So well, I said, 169 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: that's why the decisions made to cut our losses on 170 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: the gallery and move on. 171 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Well, I know yesterday were saying, you know, at least 172 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: you had the you know what's to pull the pin. 173 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that everybody will agree with that. I 174 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: know others will be quite disappointed it's not going ahead. 175 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: But look, a lot's happening in your portfolios at the moment. 176 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: On Monday, we are expecting our bus drivers to strike. 177 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: You know, what is your take on this? It's pretty 178 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: concerning stuff for everybody that catches public transport. 179 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, this is going to be a disruptor to 180 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: the people of the Northern territory. Is this industrial action 181 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: being taken by the TWU. Were wearing fairly close contact 182 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: with CDC, who's the contractor and provided to make sure 183 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: that they're doing what they need to be doing as 184 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: far as their negotiations, because this is a so this 185 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: is the matter between CDC and of course they're drivers. 186 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, we've been pretty clear with CDC that they 187 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: need to be doing everything they can to be seeking 188 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: a resolution because this affects territorium. Do you reckon I'll 189 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: be able to do with this resolvement? 190 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Do you reckon they'll be able to do it before Monday? Oh? 191 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: I hope. 192 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: So look, look, negotiations are pretty fluid so on told 193 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: with CDC and the union, So I'm hoping that they 194 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: can reach a resolution before Monday. But I think I 195 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: said just in case the people of territory need to 196 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: be I suppose be ready in case they don't reach 197 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: a resolution, and then yeah, there won't be any public 198 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: transport on Monday. Look, bus services for schools are not 199 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: going to be affected. I think also for disabilities expected 200 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: special needs buses will still go. But this this is 201 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: an impulse on all territories. So yeah, we be working 202 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: with their their staff to make sure that they can 203 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: reach a resolution because I don't want to see this 204 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: continue to disrupt public the public transport for the people 205 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: of territory. 206 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: We've got a few minutes left, a couple of things 207 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: I want to get through from October twenty seven. Of course, 208 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: commuters are going to need to adjust the new to 209 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: new pickup points and service arrangements as you guys the 210 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: government implement your bus safety reform strategy. So these changes 211 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: are going to see the Darwin and Casuarina bus interchanges 212 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: close in an effort to deliver a safer and. 213 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: More reliable service. 214 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: How exactly you know is the I suppose the getting 215 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: rid of these bus interchanges going to work. What kind 216 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: of impact might it have for people from October twenty seven. 217 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: Well, I know that I at apartment and see this 218 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: getting that messaging out there as to what the change 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: will look like with the adviosure of those with the 220 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: Casual and the Darwin interchange. So what it means is 221 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: there be different stops around those areas you'll hop off 222 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: and you'll hop on to catch you if you're doing 223 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: a bust onto a different route. So that makes it 224 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: fairly simply. You just need to know which stop to 225 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: get off at. And of course a new bus tracker 226 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: wrap is out so you can track your bus real 227 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: time to see when I get off and when I 228 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: get onto the new bus. And but this is going 229 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: to of course do all sorts of things, particularly for 230 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Casurina disclosure that interchangell do you reckon. 231 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: It's going to have a big impact on some of 232 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: that anti social behavior that we have seen. I mean 233 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: particularly at that Casurina bus exchange. 234 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: I believe, say Katy, I've been out there a number 235 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: of times and see what happens. So you've got a 236 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: lot of people condensing at the interchange catch buses. Then 237 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: that attracts more people and then we see conflict boats. 238 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: So by spacing it out around the entire Casuarina area. 239 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: It stops that conglomeration of people in one certain point, 240 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: so that will make significant changes there. And what it 241 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: also then does, Katie, is that it frees up our 242 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: transit security offices to be able to get out and 243 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: do more work on the buses because they were having 244 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: to deal with issues and as well as security at 245 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: those interchanges. So that frees those people up to get 246 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: out and do more active work out on the network. 247 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 3: So it's a plus plus and benefit to everybody. So 248 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to this. And the next big 249 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: piece of work, of course, will be the Palmers In Exchange, 250 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: so the Department's working on that with CDC. That that's 251 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: a little bit further down a track is a little 252 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: bit more complex. 253 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Bill one last one before I let you go. Last 254 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: week we spoke extensively about the federal government's first home 255 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: bias scheme expansion. Now, real estate agents, mortgage brokers, industry 256 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: experts of all spoken to us in recent weeks and 257 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: said that the federal schemes cap needs to be lifted 258 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: from six hundred thousand. 259 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: We know that that is what it's at. 260 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: We all, I think, well, everybody's seeing that the median 261 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: house price has certainly gone up. You know, why do 262 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: you think this needs to be lifted. I know that 263 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Luke Gosling had joined us on the show and he 264 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: basically said, well, you know, if the Northern Territory Treasurer yourself, 265 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: if you're calling on them to lift the cap, well 266 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: why don't you do the same as well for the 267 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government first home biased scheme. I'll say to him, 268 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: I'll say to you what I said to him. I'm 269 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: not really interested in politics here. What I'm interested in 270 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: is this cap being lifted. You know, how do we 271 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: make it happen. 272 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: Well, that's a pretty bold and I think silly statement 273 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: by Luke Gosling. Kady. We've got the most attracted first 274 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: home bio schemes in the country, thirty and fifty thousand 275 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: dollars of pead who want to build a new home. 276 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: So that's better than anything being offered by anybody else. 277 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: So for him to come out and say we need 278 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: to change, I think he needs to go home and 279 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: have a real hard look at himself in the mirror. 280 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: I can tell you. But what's happened. Darwin has has 281 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: had the largest increase in median house price anywhere in 282 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: the country. So I think we're I can't remember the 283 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: exact Descentdange, but I think fifteen or twenty percent increase. 284 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: So the median house price, the lowest house price now 285 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: is around about six hundred and forty thousand dollars on 286 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: average every other capital city in the country. Case he's 287 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: got an uplift all right, everybody else got an uplift 288 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: and our house prices are increasing more than theirs and 289 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: we didn't get an uplift bill. 290 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: Have you. 291 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: What's what you're doing with the feed Look, I don't 292 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: know to push them to increase that. 293 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: I don't know whether he's going to come to the party. 294 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: I hope he does. But have you written to the 295 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: Federal Housing Minister about it as well? 296 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 297 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we on that day, I believe that we 298 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: spoke Katia letters go on through to Clear O'Neil, the 299 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: minister in Canberra to go away, asking her to go 300 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: away and review what that cap is because the people 301 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: of Darwin Church are now missing out, so they're throwing 302 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: money obviously the people in the Eastern seaboard and over 303 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: in the West, but again inside the Commonwealth don't particularly 304 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: care about what's happening up here in the territory, and 305 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: first home buy as are missing out on that five 306 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: percent deposit from the Commonwealth, so we're asking the Commonwealth 307 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: to go away and reconsider that and increase it so 308 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: that we get a free of crack at it. 309 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Two. Well, let us know how you go, Treasurer Bill Yan, 310 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time this morning. 311 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. 312 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: Cheers, Katie, have a great date you too. 313 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: Thank you.