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Speaker 2: We know that the situation with the worker shortage has

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Speaker 2: the issue is acute for our industry, our farming industry

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Speaker 2: and one of Australia's largest fruit growers Growers has warned

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Speaker 2: that the nation may experience fresh fruit shortages if Australia

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Speaker 2: doesn't act to secure a worker quarantine facility. Now the

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Speaker 2: agricultural industry is facing a shortage of around twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: quarantine facilities. Now we know that nationally the managing director

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Speaker 2: of Panata Farms, Gavin Skurr, has said that he would

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Speaker 2: fully support the industry's proposal to utilize the Blading Point

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Speaker 2: Worker Village as a quarantine facility for our seasonal workers.

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Speaker 2: But where are we at with this proposal and what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen if it doesn't come online. Joining me

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Speaker 2: in the studio is NTI Farmer's CEO Paul Burke.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, had a good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now we were going to catch up with Leo as well,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately he's been taken away due to a bit of

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate you joining us this morning.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be here mate.

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Speaker 2: This situation, it's something that you and I have spoken

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Speaker 2: firstly the impact that the situation with this lack of

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Speaker 1: So right now we're in the middle of melon season

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Speaker 4: With inconsistencies of borders.

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Speaker 1: We were due to bring people out of Victoria this week,

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Speaker 2: Well, just firstly with that Melbourne situation and also in

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Speaker 1: We are seeing fruit go to waste. But what we're

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Speaker 1: So blating point is the answer for us. We have

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Speaker 1: That facility has been taken away from us for repatriating Australians.

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Speaker 4: So it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Now, I know that there was support provided as you

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Speaker 1: That's the number one focus at the moment. We will

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Speaker 4: This crop's worth in.

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Speaker 1: Excess of one hundred and thirty million dollars a year

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Speaker 2: With blade and point, what exactly are we waiting for?

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Speaker 2: Why can't it happen?

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Speaker 1: So the federal government has a very strong view that

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Speaker 3: We do need to try and help our industry.

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Speaker 3: Is that enough.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly a start and it'll be great news when

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Speaker 4: We need surety.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, our mangoes don't stay on the tree and wait

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Speaker 2: I find it incredible that there is a shortage of

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Speaker 1: Job Yeah, with select grows, and it's certainly something that's

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Speaker 1: been doing training with them all year, so we'll have

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Speaker 1: So we're certainly pulling every tool out of the toolbox

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Speaker 2: Mate, it sounds like it. I tell you what, I

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Speaker 2: hope that something is able to be sorted. I really

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Speaker 2: blade and point. I know that, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 2: I know some people listening will be thinking, get those

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like you said,

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Speaker 2: you do need people doing the job who actually want

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's absolutely right, And the fact that it hasn't

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Speaker 1: And want to turn up to work every single day,

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Speaker 1: because in any business, if you've got a few rotten

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Speaker 2: And just finally, for those out there listening who are

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Speaker 2: I mean, how it's going to impact their everyday life.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming is that you're not going to see the

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Speaker 1: And I think we're starting to see that now. And

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Speaker 1: we're certainly starting to see some of the quality in

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Speaker 1: that and that's already evident.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Paul Burke, the CEO of NT Farmers, we always

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so very much for coming in this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie, and enjoy your day listeners.

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Speaker 3: Thank you