1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: time poor parent who just once answers. Now. So good 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: to have you joining me for the Happy Family's podcast. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: My name is doctor Justin Coulson, the author of a 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: bunch of books about making your family happier. Normally I 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: would do this podcast with my wife Kylie, but she's 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: lost a voice. Can't podcast with no voice. That was 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: a double negative. Kylie won't be joining me because you 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: won't be able to hear her. Her voice is totally gone. 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: It's actually very quiet around the house at the moment, 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: and I miss her. I miss her voice, and I 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: really miss her with the conversation that we would normally 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: have on a Friday. To change things up though a 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: little bit of background, Kylie and I were asked to 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: give a talk about families, parenting, and relationships at church 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: a couple of weekends ago, and since Kylie can't be here, 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: I thought I might share with you what we shared 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: because I think it's going to make a great podcast episode. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: There are some religious themes. I know that not everybody 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: who listens to the podcast. In fact, many people who 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast don't have a religious bone in 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: their body. So I'm going to dial down that aspect 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: of it. You're not here to be preached out. You're 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: here to hear parenting, and that's primarily what you're going 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: to hear. Let me dive into it, though, and share 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: this with you. I think that of all the things 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: that I could share with you, this is the kind 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: of stuff that will make your family happier. In The 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, Stephen Covey tells the 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: following story quote. I remember a mini paradigm shift I 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: experienced one Sunday morning on a subway in New York. 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: People were sitting quietly, some reading newspapers, some lost in thought, 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: some resting with their eyes closed. It was a calm, 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: peaceful scene. Then suddenly a man and his children entered 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the subway car. The children were so loud and rambunctious 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that instantly the whole climate changed. The man sat down 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: next to me and closed his eyes, apparently oblivious to 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: the situation. The children were yelling back and forth, throwing things, 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: even grabbing people's pace. It was very disturbing, and yet 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: the man sitting next to me did nothing. It was 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: difficult not to feel irritated. I could not believe that 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: he could be so insensitive as to let his children 43 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: run wild like that and do nothing about it, taking 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: no responsibility at all. It was easy to see that 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: everyone else on the subway felt irritated too, so finally, 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: with what I felt was unusual patience and restraint, I 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: turned to him and said, sir, your children are really 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: disturbing a lot of people. I wonder if you couldn't 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: control them a little more. The man lifted his gaze, 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: as if to come to a consciousness of the situation 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: for the first time, and said, softly, Oh, you're right. 52 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: I guess I should do something about it. We just 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: came from the hospital where their mother died about an 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: hour ago. I don't know what to think, and I 55 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: guess they don't know how to handle it either. Can 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: you imagine what I felt at that moment? My paradigm shifted. Suddenly. 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I saw things different, and because I saw differently, I 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: thought differently, I felt differently, I behaved differently. My irritation vanished. 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about controlling my attitude or 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: my behavior. My heart was filled with the man's pain, 61 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: feelings of sympathy and compassion, flowed freely. Your wife just died. Oh, 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Can you tell me about it? What 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: can I do to help? Everything changed in an instant 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: close quote. Judgment is when we criticize or condemn someone 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: from a position of assumed moral superiority. And that's the 66 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: problem with judgment. It presumes that my view is the 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: standard of truth. It exalts my needs while denigrating yours. 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: My moral superiority, My judgment, my criticism, and condemnation allows 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: me to be full of indignation in my least positive, helpful, 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: and righteous moments. It assumes that the best way for 71 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: me to help you is to paint your errors in 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: vibrant colors. And the terrible news is that we do 73 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: it all the time. It happens at work, it happens online, 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: it happens at church. But worst of all, it happens 75 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: in our most important relationships friendships and with loved ones husbands, wives, children, friends, 76 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: exes that we coperent with and so on. One time, 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: when I was younger and not quite as wise as 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: I have become through negative experiences, I walked into the house. 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: Kylie had cleaned it all day while I've been at work. 80 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: It looked amazing, but there was still some dust on 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the fans, which I felt judy bound to point out 82 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: that judgment was not good for my relationship. Another time, 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: Kylie had somebody visit her and drop off a meal 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: shortly after one of our babies had been born. She 85 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: walked in with treats, flowers, a meal, dropped it off 86 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and left. Kylie will grateful for the meal, felt like 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: her friend could have stayed and talked, after all, that's 88 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: friends do, and for some time felt judgmental towards that friend. 89 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: It was only some years later when the friend explained 90 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: that at that time in her life, she felt like 91 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: everything was falling apart and all that she could do 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: was what she did. The conversation would have been too much. 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: See what happens when we get judgy and critical. When 94 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: we begin to condemn those around us, Our emotions go 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: up and our intelligence goes down. We choose to focus 96 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: on our perspective and we stop seeing things from another 97 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: person's point of view. We become critical and judge, We 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: reprimand rather than understand, we explode rather than explore. A 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: wonderful friend of mine once shared that the only one 100 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: who should be judging is one who knows everything and 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: loves perfectly, which rules most of us out in this light. 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: We had a similar experience just a couple of weeks 103 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: ago that Kylie shared in I'll Do Better Tomorrow right 104 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: here on the podcast, either last week or the week 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: before to refresh your memory. We just farewelled Ella, our 106 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: twenty year old daughter, as she departed to do mission 107 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: service in Canada. Leaving the airport, our three youngest girls 108 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: decided that they wanted to drive home with Chanell, our eldest, 109 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: being with their six month old niece. Chanell's first daughter, 110 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: our granddaughter, was the draw card. Walking to the car, 111 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: our fifth daughter, Lily, began fighting with her sisters about 112 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: who was going to sit where in the car. Chanelle said, 113 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: if this keeps on going, you're not going to be 114 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: driving home with me Lily and Lily stormed off, so 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Kylie followed, preparing her incisive remarks about Lily's behavior as 116 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: she walked toward her. As Kylie neared Lily, she sought 117 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: Lily's tears and fortunately her heart turned away from judgment 118 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: and criticism and condemnation, Kylie decided to get curious, not furious. 119 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: She considered the context and invited Lily to share why 120 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: she was so upset. The next five minutes, they pretty 121 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: much stood and hugged in the car park, grieving the 122 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: goodbye that they just shared with Ella and the fact 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: that we won't see her for eighteen months. Now, I'm 124 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: going to share a couple of quick things that are 125 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: religiously oriented, and then I'm going to get back into 126 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: the parenting. For those who have a religious background, you'd 127 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: be familiar with the scripture in John chapter thirteen, where 128 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Jesus says that we ought to fix one another. As 129 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I've fixed you, that you also fix one another. Now 130 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows that's not what he said. He said love 131 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: one another, not fix one another. But we get so 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: caught up in trying to fix. In Matthew on the 133 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said, and why beholdest thou 134 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: the moat that's in thy brother's eye, But consider us 135 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: not the beam that is in thine own eye. In 136 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: other words, we're also imperfect. A judgment is so flawed, 137 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: and our job is not to be judgy and keep fixing. 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: Yes we can have expectations, Yes we can encourage and guide, 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: but fixing is not part of the pro In one 140 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: of the most challenging periods of our lives in relation 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: to our eldest daughter, we took the challenges that she 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: presented to us very very hard. Those challenges shook us profoundly. 143 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: After all, I was a parenting expert, and so we 144 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: began to question a lot of things in our lives. 145 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: Our initial response was to parent harder. We increased preaching 146 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: at her and fixing her and coercing her and begging 147 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: her and punishing her and berating her and judging her 148 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: and pushing and pulling and provoking, and in our mind 149 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: our judgment seemed correct, and maybe it was. But that 150 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: behavior on our part drove her out of our door, 151 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: an out of our arms, and away from our influence. 152 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: And so then we found ourselves saying things like, well, 153 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: this is on her. It's her fault. She's done it 154 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: to herselves, she's done it to us, she's done it 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: to our family. She's the one that needs to change. 156 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: We're doing the right thing here. She's the one that's 157 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: making the mistakes. And we didn't really want her around anyway, 158 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: because we became fearful that her decisions would infect our 159 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: other children. But here's the thing, our demands were unfruitful. 160 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: When we had a conversation with a wonderful friend and mentor, 161 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: he counseled us that love was the answer. But our 162 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: daughter seems so unlovable, and she made it clear she 163 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: did not want our love. Apart from that, how do 164 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: you love her without it making look like you're condoning 165 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: what she's doing. Well, it was around this time that 166 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: I had an insight. I didn't have the right to 167 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: correct anyone I didn't love. Now that seems reasonable to say, 168 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: but there's a trap there. When I feel genuinely loving 169 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: towards someone, I generally lose interest in correcting them. I 170 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: just want to love them. I want to have them 171 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: close to me. See, my daughter wasn't the problem I was. 172 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: It was my judgment that was driving the wedge in 173 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: the family. It was my judgment that made her feel unwelcome. 174 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: It was my judgment that was pushing her away, and 175 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: that meant that Kylie and I could have zero influence. 176 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: Our home was not the safe haven that it ought 177 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: to be for her. We were the problem. We were 178 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: trying to fix our or. One of my all time 179 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: favorite quotes that does come from a religious leader, but 180 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really have much of a religious undertone. Is this 181 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: he says, When a battered, weary swimmer tries valiantly to 182 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: get back to shore after having fought strong winds and 183 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: rough waves, which he never should have challenged in the 184 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: first place, those of us, who might have had better 185 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: judgment or perhaps just better luck, ort not to row 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: out to his side, beat him with our oars and 187 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: shove his head back underwater. That's not what boats were 188 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: made for. But some of us do that to each other. 189 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: As I reflect on the things that I've talked about, 190 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: there's a quote that really means a lot to me. 191 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: It comes from a talk called the Virtue of Kindness, 192 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: and here's what it says. Kindness is the essence of 193 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: a wonderful and good life. Kindness is how a christ 194 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: like person treats others. Kindness should permeate all of our 195 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: words and actions at work, at school, at church, and 196 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: especially in our homes. There is no substitute for kindness 197 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: in the home. But you ask, what if people are rude, 198 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: love them, If they're obnoxious, love them, But what if 199 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: they have fanned? Surely I must do something, then love 200 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: them wayward. The answer is the same, be kind, love them. 201 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: Who can tell what far reaching impact we can have 202 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: if we are only kind. So that's basically what we 203 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: shared now. There does need to be limits. We do 204 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: need to be kind and help our children to know 205 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: that there are expectations around their behavior. But when we 206 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: do that kindly, we just get so much better results. 207 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: I hope that as you've listened to that you've found 208 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: some inspiration in there. Maybe this will help you to 209 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: be better tomorrow. If your children are driving you crazy, 210 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: as children often do, Hopefully there are some words there 211 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: that will be encouraging for you this weekend and into 212 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: next week. Thank you so much for listening to the 213 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast. On Monday, assuming Kylie's voice is better, 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about one of the hardest 215 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: decisions that I've ever seen on social media. If you 216 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: had to leave your daughter in a forest with either 217 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: a man or a bear, and you knew nothing about 218 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: the man and nothing about the bear, what would you choose? 219 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: That's coming up on Monday, A great conversation that I 220 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: think you're going to love if Kylie gets a voice back. 221 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much again for being a part of the 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Happy Family's podcast. We love having you as part of 223 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: our community. The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin 224 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Rowland from Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. 225 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Have a fantastic weekend and we'll talk to you again 226 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: on Monday.