1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: That is so fatch. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: Thank you. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Outspoken. 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: Now. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: With the weather getting warmer, a lot of influencers are 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: promoting the fact that they're getting their summer wardrobes ready 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: for somewhat of a Hot Girl Vax summer Now. One 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: item on the top of their list seems to be 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: belly chains. I keep seeing these all over Instagram. Molly 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: May was posting about it, Madison Wooley was talking about it. 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner's got them, and I keep hearing the word 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: belly chain, but I didn't really know what it was. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I had to Google it and it looks like it's 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: basically a thin necklace for your belly, which I suppose 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: makes sense with the name. Originally I thought it was 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: a chain that hangs off your belly buttony, but as 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: you say, Kate, it looks like some sort of necklace 23 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: and it's really coming off the back of low rise jeans. 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Also coming back in fashion because obviously you can show 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: off your. 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: Belly button chain in it. 27 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Well, it's all about showing off your middrif, isn't it, 28 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: And that's what the two thousands were all about. Yeah, 29 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: I've seen j Loo wearing them back in the two 30 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: thousands and. 31 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: It looks great on her. 32 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: But for someone that has an outy belly button like ourselves, 33 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I can't say I'm. 34 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: Going to be wearing a belly button chain. I just 35 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: can't see it myself. 36 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how uncomfortable this must be in summer, 37 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: because you know, when materials heat up like this could 38 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: be quite scorching. 39 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: Across your stummach. 40 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: You guys, imagine visiting your grandparents in a belly chain 41 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: because they're always the first one to point out how 42 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: stupid you look. I feel like it would just be horrendous. 43 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: What do these things look like when you sit down? 44 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: As well? I appel it because why I'm forgiving you. 45 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: I'm really excited to be talking about my brand today 46 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: and finally revealing and sharing with you guys this project 47 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: that I've been working on for such a long time 48 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: and something that I have put so much love, time, effort, 49 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: passion and money into. 50 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: YouTuber Madison Bully has revealed she lost a lot of 51 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: money following the launch of her clothing line at twenty 52 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: third and Madison. Speaking on her podcast, the twenty three 53 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: year old told listeners she regretted her decision to sign 54 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: on with a brand agency to manage her clothing line, Amy, 55 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: can you tell us what happened? 56 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: Well? 57 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Back in November twenty twenty, Madison launched twenty third in Madison, 58 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: and at the time it seemed like a very independent project. 59 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: She launched a YouTube video where she showed her fans 60 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: that behind the scenes of her setting up the clothing line, 61 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: and it very much seemed like she was quite hands 62 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: on and doing a lot of the menial tasks like 63 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: setting up the website, setting up the Instagram account, making 64 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: notes of alterations she wanted, And there was a real 65 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: vibe that this, as you said, was an independent project, 66 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and she she did refer to having a team on 67 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: board that we're assisting, but it was never really clear 68 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: the relationship with this so called team. Yeah, I mean, 69 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: it seemed very different because if you think of other 70 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: influencers who've. 71 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Been involved in clothing line launchers. 72 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean I instantly think of someone like Sarah's Day 73 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: who partnered with White Fox Boutique. So it did seem, 74 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: as you said, like an independent project. So I was 75 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: quite surprised to hear Madison say that she did have 76 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: a big brand agency on board helping her. Well, I 77 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: think it's also the fact that she has a business degree, 78 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: so that's what made me also think that maybe it 79 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: was something that through her experience in that she was 80 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: able to launch on her own. 81 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 82 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: So Madison didn't actually name the agency in her podcast 83 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: that she had been working with, but a quick Google 84 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: search reveals she was working with an Australian agency called Saltika. 85 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: And this company also manages Chloe Zepp's line ZEP, so 86 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: that's probably one of its most well known clients besides Madison. 87 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: So basically, this is a company that handles every small 88 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: detail for a brand. So if you're an influencer, you 89 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: can basically go to them and say this is my idea, 90 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: and they handle everything. So they have manufacturers, they have 91 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: their own designers, in house marketing team, and they handle 92 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: all the orders and back end tasks. So it does 93 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: sound pretty credible if you're an influencer wanting to start 94 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: a brand. I don't know if this was naive, but 95 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that ZEP wasn't an independent brand either, 96 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: because have they moved away from Saltika as No, it's 97 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: they still do stuff for zeb And it actually cracks 98 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: me up because I do remember in one of Mitchell 99 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Orvil's vlogs he said how lazy Chloe is with all 100 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: of her work, like they were his words, that she's lazy. 101 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: And it's kind of the perfect company for a lazy 102 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: influencer really, because it sounds like they just literally do 103 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: everything for you. Well, to be fair, I don't think 104 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: that Madison signed onto this because she was being lazy. 105 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: If you're a young person starting out in the fashion 106 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: world and you don't have much experience or knowledge, you 107 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: probably are looking for someone to give you a bit 108 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: of a helping hand. And she did explain that it 109 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: was quite an expensive process and said that you really 110 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: did have to have a lot of money if you 111 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: wanted to work with a branding agency like this, And 112 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: it does make me mad because it sounds like. 113 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: This agency really wasn't doing much for her Sophie. 114 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I disagree because I think this maybe a case of 115 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Madison's following actually not being what it says it is, 116 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: because I know Madison likes to pitch herself now as 117 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: a lifestyle influencer. However, as she mentioned on her podcast, 118 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: she did start out by posting a lot of bikini 119 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: photos and getting a lot of male attention. Now, there 120 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of speculation around the fact that it 121 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: seems to be that her audience may be predominantly male, 122 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: and I do think the fact that this brand hasn't 123 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: been financially successful really is a not in the direction 124 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: that perhaps her audience is actually predominantly male and females 125 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: aren't interested in buying clothes from her. She did mention 126 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: that she was paying a retainer fee and implied that 127 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: there were some months where she was paying but there 128 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: were no sales coming in. So I do wonder whether, 129 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: as Kate said it was affected by her following, whether 130 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: she does have that young female audience. Yeah, I mean 131 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: that definitely could be the case. Another angle could be 132 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: that because she didn't have full control over the brand 133 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: and the marketing spend, that she may have felt like 134 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: Mark wasn't being directed in. 135 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: The right places. 136 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: But I suppose for a brand agency that focuses on 137 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: influencer brands, they would they would expect that a lot 138 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: of the marketing would be organic from the influencers. 139 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 5: Whenever I post their comments on my story and then 140 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 5: say you're bullying me, You're a bullying No, not posting 141 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: your own fucking words to some more, it's endless. 142 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield has broken down on an Instagram story after 143 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: naming and shaming anti vaxers fortrolling her. The twenty six 144 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: year old has experienced a relentless abuse since she became 145 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: vocal about advocating for the COVID nineteen vaccine. Now kate 146 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: what has sparked the latest round of abuse, Well, Abby 147 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: uploaded a funny reel to Instagram where she spoke about 148 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: her impending freedom due to being vaccinated and poked fun 149 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: at anti vaxers who won't be able to do anything. 150 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Let's go to the audio from the reel. 151 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 5: My next outfit that I think I'm going to choose 152 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: while you guys are doing freedom fighting and I were busy, 153 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: but like again, i just want to go for a 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 5: holiday of my friends and into Byron. I'm thinking like 155 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: Dan the beach hotel, me having a drink fucking random 156 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 5: people because I can What do you guys think about 157 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 5: me traveling regionally in this outfit, unlike the unvaccinated people, 158 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it's cute, it's a vibe. 159 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: I thought the video was hilarious, but I as expected, 160 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the anti vaxers did not like it, 161 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of backlash. 162 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: So poor Abby. 163 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: Copped a lot of vile messages, so much so that 164 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: she actually had to restrict the comments on her page. 165 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: So a really good tip is that you can turn 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: your comments off so you only get them from people 167 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: who follow you. And it seems to be a bit 168 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: of a trend now that influencers are doing this, and 169 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to protect yourself. However, 170 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: the anti vaxxers still seemed to get messages to her 171 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: via DMS, and unfortunately the abuse didn't stop. One person 172 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: threatened Abby saying to watch her back, and another wrote 173 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: that someone needs to cancel this freak show. The thing 174 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: that's so ironic about this reaction is Abby is just 175 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: showing what the reality of the situation is. If you 176 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: are not vaccinated, you are not going to have the 177 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: same freedoms and rights as everyone else. I don't know 178 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: why everyone is hurling their abuse at Abby. It's the 179 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: reality of the situation. 180 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: Let's be honest. 181 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I thought the video was hilarious, but she was obviously 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: trying to rub it into anti vaxxins that they won't 183 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: be able to do these things as well. 184 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's a way to encourage people to go out 185 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: and get it done. No, no, I agree. 186 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: I think it was great that she shared it, but 187 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: it was sort of like waving a red flag in 188 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: front of a ball. I can see what you're saying, Amy, 189 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: but in no way does it make any of these 190 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: messages right. And it's kind of disgusting to me that 191 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: it seemed to be a lot of females sending her 192 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: these messages. So another woman wrote, fuck you're the putridist 193 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: slut ever look at how desperate you acted on The 194 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Bachelor and now to think that you have the right 195 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: to joke of anyone choosing to think differently. You're not funny. Hey, 196 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: people are allowed to choose what to have in their bodies. 197 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Why try and make it funny? Laughing my ass off? 198 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Your life will never be the same again, you dumb mutt. 199 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: If I ever see you, oh dead set kick you 200 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: in the fucking head. You're the putridist. Irony of this 201 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: is that this woman sent Abby a DM a year 202 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: ago saying you're too beautiful and amazing. So how quickly 203 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: things can change? So, Sophie, how did Abby react to 204 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: all of this? Well, she ended up screenshotting the vile 205 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: messages and sharing them on a story without blocking out 206 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: the people's usernames, and she said she had no regrets 207 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: about singling people out that attacked her online. 208 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: This is what she said. 209 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 5: You want attention. You want to feel like your comment matters. 210 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 5: You want to feel like you're seen. You want to 211 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: know what it feels like to have one hundred thousand 212 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 5: people watching the stories every day seeing what you have 213 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 5: to say. Here we go, enjoy, enjoy a platform, enjoy it. 214 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 5: Of how these people all claim they're getting death threats, 215 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 5: Show me one. They always do this same I'm getting 216 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: death threats, getting death threats, Show me one, send me 217 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: a screenshot. I'll add that person as well. You're not. 218 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: You're not. I've received death threats for two years of 219 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: my life. You haven't saying that it's my fault. It's 220 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: actually not I posted your DMS. So if you don't 221 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 5: want someone to post shit, don't damn it to them. Tryjic. 222 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Abby broke down and said the whole situation 223 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: was triggering and taking it back to the days she 224 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: was portrayed as a villain on The Bachelor and the 225 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: hate she had received online. 226 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 5: This is what she said, Also to all of you fuckwards, 227 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: you can't be head around it. The Byron thing was 228 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: just a fucking joke. Not actually going to Byron next week. 229 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 5: Maybe I will when we're out of lockdown. The joke 230 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 5: was that I can leave Sydney. That was fucking joke. 231 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 5: Do I have to explain it? You commenting Byron's in lockdown? Okay, 232 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 5: I'm still in BONDI for the at least the next 233 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 5: five weeks. You didn't do anything there seam just feeling 234 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: a bit triggered back to Bachelor. So I'm just probably 235 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 5: gonna have tomorrow the weekend off. People, fucking psychoe. I'm 236 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 5: sorry that you're wrong, and I'm sorry to have a 237 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 5: personality but like but like to get angry at me. 238 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: But seriously, though, I think I'm gonna try and just 239 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 5: have tomorrow at least off Instagram because I'm getting really triggered. Yeah, 240 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: there's just a lot of threats of violence, and it's 241 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 5: funny because it's like about a fucking jumpsuit and me 242 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: having sex. But yeah, so probably taught to you guys 243 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 5: a day or two. 244 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: This was really difficult to watch because Abby is such 245 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: a strong person online and you always think that the 246 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: comments don't bother her. 247 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: But I think what a lot of people forget is this. 248 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Is a young woman at the other end who was 249 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: receiving this outpouring of hate and she copped it so 250 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: much on the Bachelotte and now she's copying it purely 251 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: for spreading vital health information. 252 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: I just think this isn't on. 253 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield isn't the only influencer who has been outing 254 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: anti VAX's so Last week, Olivia Rogers shared a screenshot 255 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: on her insta story of a disgusting message she received 256 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: from a troll. So the troll wrote She's definitely spending 257 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: her big farmer paycheck on a boob job looking at 258 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: those tiny mossy bites. Olivia wrote on the screenshot a comment, 259 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm sick of protecting these vile people and their vile comments, 260 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: posting from the safety of their home with zero consequences 261 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: for their comments. Since when did someone's opinion on medicine 262 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: and science give you reason to comment or shame their body? Disgraceful. Also, 263 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: for the thousandth time, no one here in Australia is 264 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: getting paid to share their experience with the vaccine. I 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: certainly didn't receive any payment. I just support public health. 266 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: The most fucked part of this was that this troll 267 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: was sharing the abusive comments on their dogs page. And 268 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: this person has actually been sending us awful comments in 269 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: their dog's name as well. And I really think that 270 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: at the moment, we're reaching a point where I have 271 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: no issue with resharing the names of people who choose. 272 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: To be vile like this online. 273 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: As Olivia said, these people think that they can face 274 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: no consequences and sit behind a computer screen and say 275 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: what they like about people. Well, the people have had 276 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: enough of it. Well. The craziest thing was a lot 277 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: of the names that Abby was sharing. If you clicked 278 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: on their profiles, it said that they were all for 279 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: happiness and love and they were all mothers, and that's. 280 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: They're the most cruel one. 281 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes We've got a lot of mother anti vaxxers who 282 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: have been abusing us as well, and they just seem 283 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: to be abusing anybody who shows any pro vaccine stance 284 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: do not. Is really interesting though, the fact that Olivia 285 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: Rodgers did confirm the influencers aren't being paid to talk 286 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: about the vaccine, because if you remember, a couple of 287 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: months ago, we did an episode about how the NHS 288 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: had enlisted the help of influencers from the UK, and 289 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: I do think it's a really good move that the 290 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: Australian government presumably hasn't paid people to speak about it, 291 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: because I do think that people then do question the 292 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: validity of their statements. It feels like in the UK 293 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: people aren't as hesitant and negative about the vaccine, and 294 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we're having this hesitancy in Australia because 295 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: we've had to wait longer before we get it, so 296 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: there's been time for people to start fear mongering and 297 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: people to spread these anti vaxx messages. Because I feel 298 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: like if I was an Australian influencer, I would not 299 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: be wanting to put my hand up to get paid 300 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: to promote this considering the backlash people have been getting 301 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: just for doing it off their own good will, despite 302 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: the fact that there are a lot of nasty troll 303 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: messages coming through. Quite interestingly, if you take a look 304 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: at Social Blade, Abby Chatfield's following has really grown since 305 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: she has started speaking about her pro vaccine stance. In 306 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: the last thirty days, she gained twenty two thousand, five 307 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: hundred followers, so currently she has three hundred and eighteen 308 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: thousand followers. And Olivia's following has also continued to grow. 309 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: She has gained one thousand, eight hundred followers in the 310 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: last thirty days, with a total of one hundred and 311 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: seventy one thousand. So what do you guys make of 312 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: the trolls We've come out and said that they're now 313 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: experiencing bulling and death threats because Abby shared their comments. Well, 314 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: I think it's highly hypocritical because they are the ones 315 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: sending death threats and threatening behavior and trolling comments. So 316 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: if you're happy to dish it out, then you should 317 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: be happy to receive it. I mean, why send something 318 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: to an influencer? I mean, firstly, I don't understand why 319 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: people feel the need to send disgusting comments like that. 320 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: Anyway. 321 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: But if you're going to, why send them from your 322 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: own name, Like I can't believe the people that send 323 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: them in business accounts and with all their family photos 324 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: on it. 325 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy. 326 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: I normally don't think it's right for a bigger account 327 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: to call out a little account to send hate their way, 328 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: but in this instance, I think something does need to 329 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: be done, and I think that both Abby and Olivia 330 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: certainly did the right thing. 331 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: I think people just have to look at the situation 332 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: with a level head. 333 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: In a situation like this where people giving death threats, yes, 334 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: call the person out. That person also has the ability 335 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: to change their handle and use the name and then 336 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: be anonymous yet again. But these famous faces don't have 337 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: that ability. As we pointed out though, these trolls just 338 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: keep repeating the same behavior because we have been abused 339 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: by some of these accounts, and they clearly go around 340 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: to different platforms that are pro vaccine and abuse the 341 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: same people. So it's great that they've been called out. 342 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: My name is Sophie and I'm a mum of four 343 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: based on the gold Coat influencer. 344 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwiddelin has opened up about the difficulties of dating 345 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: in the public eye after she says she was stalked 346 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: and harassed by the tabloids during her fleeting romance with 347 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: maths Jake Edwards. The thirty two year old admits to 348 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: feeling bullied into opening up about her new budding romance 349 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: so to kick us off. Soph who is Sophie Gwidlin Well. 350 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: I actually did a story about Sophie back when I 351 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: was working at Today Tonight after she gave birth to 352 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: her twins, and at the time, she was being heavily 353 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: mum shamed online for working out during her pregnancy and 354 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: appearing to bounce back too soon after having her kids. So, 355 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Sophie is a nutritionist, author, fitness model and a podcaster 356 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: and has attracted over five hundred thousand followers on Instagram. 357 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: And many people don't know this, but she actually grew 358 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: up as a Jehovah's witness and got married at a 359 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: very young age. Her son is now thirteen, which is 360 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: quite amazing because she's thirty two. 361 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: I feel like she would be such a cool mum. 362 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. I got such a shock when I was looking 363 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: at her profile the other day and I saw a 364 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: picture of her and her son and I was sort 365 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: of trying to work out what the relationship was between them, 366 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's her son. Yeah, Well she's 367 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: got four kids, so she's got Kai who's thirteen, Rider 368 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: who's younger, and then twin. 369 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: Daughters, Evie and Aria. 370 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: And I have to say I didn't really follow her before, 371 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: but there is something that's really likable about her. Well, 372 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: earlier this month, Sophie opened up on Courtney Magnan's podcast 373 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: she was the Fire about her new man and just 374 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: how difficult it is dating in the public eye. So Sophie, 375 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: what did she say? Well, in June, Sophie says that 376 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: she was stalked and harassed by the tabloids when they 377 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: got win that she was dating Jake from Married at 378 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: First Sight. So she said that she literally went on 379 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: one coffee date with Jake and then within a couple 380 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: of hours it was plastered all over the internet. She 381 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: went home and there were literally a ton of paparazzi 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: waiting at the front of her house. 383 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: It sounded insane. 384 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that somebody from Maths would get 385 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: so much attention because you kind of forget get later 386 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: in the year, just how popular that show is. Well, 387 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: the relationship seemed to move really quickly, with Sophie admitting 388 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: on her own podcast that Jake had surprised her by 389 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: getting his name tattooed on his stomach. Sophie, though, has 390 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: been criticized by followers for sharing her relationships online in 391 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: the very early stages, and I feel she did a 392 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: good job of explaining why she has done that. Yeah, Well, 393 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: she said that quite often she feels bullied into making 394 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: these announcements, as though she's got to take control of 395 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: the narrative. And she said that she would rather be 396 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: in control of announcing to her followers who she's dating, 397 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: rather than have a tabloid dig up all this dirt 398 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: on the person, reveal it before she can say anything 399 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: and sort of set the narrative for her. Well, there's 400 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: been this real narrative online as well, that she's some 401 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: kind of man eater. And I heard her mention this 402 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: in Courtney's podcast, And what's really humorous is that she 403 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: actually admitted that she's only really had two or three 404 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: boyfriends in her whole life, but they've created this narrative 405 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: online that she's just dating everybody. Well, she said that 406 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: she also wanted to start posting about the early stages 407 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: of relationships because she wanted to normalize dating, which I 408 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: really like because, especially for women in their thirties, we 409 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: don't generally see people going out on dates and you know, 410 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: seeing those new people in their lives. 411 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: So I quite like the fact that she does it. 412 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: Obviously, it does open her up to criticism and people 413 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: then have judgments on the relationship. But it's really sad 414 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: because Sophie said that when this relationship ended with Jake, 415 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: she was so overwhelmed. 416 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: By the inaccurate reporting that was going on. 417 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: About the breakup that she was actually diagnosed with PTSD, 418 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: so she couldn't even leave her house for eight days. 419 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: She said she had continual nightmares. It got so bad 420 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: that her family had to fly over from Adelaide to 421 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: come and look after her, that she was in such 422 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: a state. And I think that's really a side of 423 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: influences that we don't see. 424 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: We see all these articles about. 425 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: Them, but we don't really know what's going on in 426 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: their lives and how they're dealing with those things being 427 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: written about. 428 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: It even for the reality TV. 429 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: Stars to think that they have such scrutiny on them 430 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: by the media, because every facet of their life when 431 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: they're on television is picked over. So it's obviously extremely 432 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: stressful for them and anyone connected to them. And that's 433 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: why I think it was particularly hard for Sophie to 434 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: open up about this new man in her life. Now. 435 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: He is called Hayden. 436 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: He's this ripped blonde guy from the Gold Coast, and 437 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: she said that she took typical Gold Coast yeah, And 438 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: she said that she felt the pressure to go public 439 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: with the relationship news because again she wanted to control 440 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: the narrative. And she said that she and Hayden would 441 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: go for ten k runs at Burley and she kept 442 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: being paranoid because she'd see people staring back at them, 443 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: and she had this fear that, you know, it would 444 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: be in the Daily Telegraph the next day. So she 445 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: announced quite soon into their relationship that they were dating. Now, 446 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: this was only two months after she announced her breakup 447 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: with Jake, so obviously the Daily Mail had a field 448 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: day with it. Well, you can see why she would 449 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: want to put out to the public that she's happy 450 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: and has moved on, because it was quite a tumultuous 451 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: relationship ending for her and Jake, and it got so 452 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: much media attention, so it seems normal to want to 453 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: promote the fact that you're in a happy relationship. I 454 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: do love that she was paranoid about people staring at her, 455 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: and it's probably like ninety percent of people were probably thinking, 456 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: who are these two hot people? 457 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: And the other ten percent were probably some of her followers. 458 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: The thing that's really sad though, is that the Daily 459 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: Telegraph named what Hayden's job is, and out of courtesy, 460 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: we're not going to say what this job is because 461 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: it is one that he would like to keep private. 462 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: And yeah, this seemed to cause a bit of an 463 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: issue in their relationship. She said that he's a very 464 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: private person and this is a massive con for him, 465 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the fact that their relationship is so out in the public. 466 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: And on Thursday, Sophie did actually take to her Instagram 467 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: to ask followers to stop messaging her about Hayden. So 468 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: it seems like something has happened. 469 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: So this is what she said. 470 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: I love that you guys have my back, but if 471 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: you are sending me messages in regards to other people's 472 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: behavior or actions, or feel like somebody might be out 473 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 3: there disrespecting me or whatever, it might look like you 474 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: do not need to send me any information because I'm 475 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: well aware and I'm not planning it. 476 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for her. It must be so difficult 477 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: to be having to deal with things like this publicly. 478 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I know we've spoken a lot about how 479 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: influencers put their love life online and they've got to 480 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: deal with the consequences, But I do appreciate her opening 481 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: up and actually being very raw about this situation and 482 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: being like, look, just do not message me. Because if 483 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: there's something so human about that, everyone can relate to 484 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: being in a relationship and having them people tell them 485 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: shit about what's going on with their partner and what 486 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: they've been doing. Now, as we touched on with Mitch, 487 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: I feel like when some sort of relationship issues happen, 488 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: people do seem to go and try and find a 489 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: quote to reflect how they're feeling about it. 490 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: What I loved about Sophie is instead. 491 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Of just finding an old quote on Instagram, she ended 492 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: up writing a quote on her apartment window. 493 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: So her apartment or she. 494 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: Does well, she does that a lot, so I think 495 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: she does that every morning for her daughters. And she 496 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: does it in lipstick, Yeah, on the glass. 497 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: She would be hard to clean each day. Yeah, well 498 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: she's got this thing. Yeah well she's got this. 499 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: Incredible view of the ocean. Anyway, So the quote said 500 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: energy doesn't lie, people do. 501 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: She then followed it up with another. 502 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: Quote that said, if you don't hear what hurt you, 503 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: you will bleed on those who. 504 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: Didn't cut you. 505 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: Now, that woman was interesting because I was wondering if 506 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: it was in reference to Jake initially hurting her and 507 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: then her taking some insecurities into the new romance. I 508 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: guess only time will tell, but I do really hope 509 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: that things work out for her because she does seem 510 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: like a really lovely person. 511 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: You guys know, I always make jokes about like hashtag 512 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: milk laf and I say. 513 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: Like my number one golden lacks. 514 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 5: To be a moment. 515 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: I'm actually shaking. 516 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: I feel sick. 517 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit of an idiot because 518 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: on Friday show, I put it out there and said 519 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: I think that Sarah's day is having a girl, because 520 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: there was some reference to references to Yeah the girls, 521 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: and there was a pink opening of the announcement video. However, 522 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: she really did the dirty on us because she went 523 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: on Thursday and we'd record it on Wednesday night, posting 524 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: all of these photos on her grid, and they all 525 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: seem to be related to the fact that she's having 526 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: a baby boy. Yeah. I couldn't believe how many posts 527 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: she put out. A lot of people were saying, oh 528 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: my gosh, did her scheduling app just stuff up on 529 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: that day and just release like two weeks worth of posts. Well, 530 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: they were all a very blue, pretty esthetic obviously, as 531 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: you say, Kate, referencing the fact that she may be 532 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: having a boy. One of my personal favorite photos though, 533 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: happened to be of grapefruit in front of a beautiful pool, 534 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: and in the caption she said that when she was 535 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: pregnant with Fox, she had a lot of cravings for 536 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: mangoes and it. 537 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: Just made me lie. 538 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: I pointed that out too, soph You did not even 539 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: know it was teachers. Yeah, I've stuffed it up. 540 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: Well. 541 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: I actually think that she's put the blue out there 542 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: because so many people think that it's a girl, because 543 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: kept saying, yeah, the girls. 544 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: I feel like she's put. 545 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: It out to sort of throw people off the scent. Yeah, 546 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: but one of them there was a picture of palm 547 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 1: trees with like blue sky, and she wrote, when I 548 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: was just a little girl. I told her my friends 549 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and mark my words, I was made to be a 550 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: boy mum. So one follower, as you suggested, Amy did 551 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: comment under Sarah's post and said, is there some sort 552 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: of glitch happening with your scheduling app? And she replied, 553 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: just having a fun vibe and then did all these 554 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: different blue emojis. Now, I don't know, I feel like 555 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: she's having a lot of fun with people. I feel 556 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: like there might be a point over the weekend, because 557 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: we are recording this on a Friday, where she might 558 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: start doing a pink grit as well. Because I just 559 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: don't think. I think that if she's going to announce it, 560 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: she's got to do it big. She's got to draw people. Yeah, 561 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't think she's just gonna announce it by putting 562 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: up a couple of blue posts at all. Then again, 563 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: maybe she is doing it because there has been criticism 564 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: over her monetizing these announcements. Maybe she thinks this is 565 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: a nice way to get everyone involved. It's definitely a 566 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: way to get everybody talking and everybody commenting. I do, however, 567 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: think that if any other person who wasn't an influence, 568 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: so I say someone in my feed started posting twenty 569 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: photos a day. I honestly feel like it's a deletable event. 570 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: It's a cardinal scene when it comes to Instagram. Can 571 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: imagine if I just posted twenty photos. I feel like 572 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: so many people would unfollow me. I wonder if Sarah 573 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: has had a lot of unfollows due to that. No, 574 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: I think people are absolutely lapping up her content at 575 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: the moment people go. 576 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: Crazy about travies. 577 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: She has also addressed this twin rumor that's happening. She wrote, also, 578 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea where this twin spiracy came from. 579 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I can confirm there's definitely only one baby in my belly. 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