1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: We want to issue a trigger warning as we will 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: be discussing themes around eating disorders and domestic violence. Hi everyone, my. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Name's Freely, and today I'm going to show you how 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: much fruit are. 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 3: In a day. 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Freely the Banana Girl, was the face of the online 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: vegan movement in Australia. The og wellness warrior captured mainstream 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: attention when she claims she ate fifty one bananas. Fifty 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: one bananas today, this is finished. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm really fool ooh. 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: What started out as a mission to spread awareness about 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: veganism quickly became a toxic crusade for online power and clout. 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Rather than fighting for the rights of animals, Freely fought 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: with other vegans and influences, and instead of progressing the 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: vegan movement, she instead progressed her own personal agenda. These days, 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: Freely is somewhat of an Internet urban legend of the 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: twenty ten's. Internet whispers say she's still living off the 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: grid in a jungle, despite her influence being at full 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: power over a decade ago. Her rule to fort die 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: is still being blamed for fueling followers eating disorders. We 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: are journalists Sophie and Kate Torbert, and we are fascinated 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: by the world of influencers and the psychology of cancel culture. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: In this series, we will delve into Freeley's biggest scandals 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: for full from Grace and the Danger of Influence. When 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: we last left you, Freeley and her boyfriend Durian Ryder 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: had just lost a court battle between rival fitness couple 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Kayla Atsinas and Toby Piss. We also dived into some 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: of Freeley's biggest controversies, but we weren't done there. Today 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: we are going to explore further Freeley's relationship with Durian Ryder, 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: also known by his real name Harley Johnston. Doesn't quite 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: have the same ring to it, doesn't Harley Johnson, No, 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't. 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: So. 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: Freely and Harley light traveling together a lot. They spent 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: most of their time in the US and Thailand, attending 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: vegan festivals and cycling. Now, Thailand held a special place 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: in their heart because of the fruit, in particular Durians, 38 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: and at the time back in Australia, if you can 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: believe it, Durians cost eighty dollars. However, in Thailand they 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: would give them away for free. That is insane. Because 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean we grew up going to Malaysia where Durians 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: are very popular and they were so cheap to buy 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: on the street. I had no idea that they were well, 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they'd be even more money now. I think 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: it was also around the time when bananas were really 46 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: expensive in Australia. I think it was a drought or 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: too much rain, something was going on. I had a 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: bit of a Google and for a ten kiloground box 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: of Durians to be shipped over that cost you three 50 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five dollars. So they're still very expensive. Well, 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: they actually have a really bad odor to them, and 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Southeast Asian hotels banned them, so you're 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: not allowed to bring them in because of the smell. 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: It seems like people either love them or hate them. Now. 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, Freely and Durian Rider launched their very 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: own vegan festival in Chang Mai called the Thai Fruit Festival. 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: And this wasn't a novel idea. The pair had been 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: involved in a similar festival in New York called Woodstock 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Fruit Festival. God, it sounds like a place that I 60 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: would not want to go. I mean, how boring. Does 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: that sound a festival that fruit? I mean, I do 62 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: love a bit of fruit now and then, but I 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: don't think i'd be as fanatical as these people. 64 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: Now. 65 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Durian had been a governor on the event's board. However, 66 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: he was controversially voted out because his vegan ideologies clashed 67 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: with theirs. Yeah, because Durian, writer and Freelly were renowned 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: for their raw Tal four diet, which incorporated cooked food. However, 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: the festival promoted only raw food, so Freely and Durian 70 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: essentially took the idea but moved it to Chang Mai 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: and it was the perfect destination for the festival because 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: it was the home to so many vegan restaurants, and 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: this was at a time when vegan restaurants were quite 74 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: rare in the Western world. We're seeing a lot of 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: influencers at the moment holding retreats for them and their followers. 76 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: For instance, Tammy Hembro, She's hosting one in Egypt this year, 77 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: and last year she held one in Greece, and her 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: followers were paying upwards of ten thousand dollars in order 79 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: to just spend time with her at this retreat, and 80 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: obviously for the accommodation. But when it came to Freely 81 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: and Durian Riders event, it was free to attend. Yeah, 82 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: and attendees got to train with Freely and Durian as 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: well as cycle around the city's hills, eating vegan restaurants 84 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and listen to their ted talks. Is that because fruit's 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: pretty cheap? I know, there was obviously a few of 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: these experiences going on. To me, it was more about 87 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: getting into the minds of these people. So Freely and 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: Durian said that they were happy to donate their time 89 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: to help expand the movement and bring people together Red Flag. 90 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: They said the only feat was a couple of dollars 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: to eat at the vegan restaurants, and as for flights 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: and accommodation, attendees had to take care of it themselves. Now, 93 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I would love to play some audio from the events 94 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen promotion. This is Durian Ryder speaking. 95 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: What I really loved about it is every day less 96 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 5: and less people would come to my talks because they'd 97 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 5: be hanging out with new friends, meeting new people, and 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 5: that was the goal. That was the goal, is to 99 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 5: introduce people, to create a little environment where people can 100 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 5: just bounce ideas off each other, meet other vegans and 101 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: fruitarian lovers and whatever stuff like that. So bring or 102 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 5: new yves or experienced people. Just bring people together and 103 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 5: create the community. So so many YouTube channels have sparked up. 104 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 5: Other Facebook groups have sparked up. Where to stay? Where 105 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: should I book a hotel? Harley, just fucking rock up, 106 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 5: Just cruise around whatever the fucking hotel you like to watch, 107 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: stay out, stay there. You don't have to book anything. 108 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 5: You will always get reservations in the chain. My there's 109 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 5: seven hundred hotels. Relax, jump on that plane, turn off. 110 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: Doesn't matter how fit you are, how fat you are, 111 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: what you look like, whatever, you're welcome. TI Fruit Festival 112 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 5: twenty fifteen, June first, June twenty first, Facebook group down below. 113 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: Look, I don't know if this sort of marketing would 114 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: fly now, but it doesn't surprise me because I feel 115 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: like the sorts of people who are fruitarians or vegans. 116 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: I might be generalizing here, but they probably wouldn't mind 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: staying at backpackers like they're probably not expecting some red 118 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: carpet experience. Maybe like Tammy's followers who want to be 119 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: in the best accommodation in Greece. Yeah, well, just shows 120 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: how far these events have come. And in the first year, 121 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty vegans from around the world joined 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,119 Speaker 1: the festival. The following year, the festival doubled in size, 123 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 1: attracting five hundred people, while in twenty sixteen the event 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: was open to just cyclist and renamed the Raw till 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: four Bike Festival. Now, while the event ran smoothly in 126 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, it was marred by controversy in its second year. 127 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: So several young women accused a middle aged man connected 128 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: to the event of sexual assault. So these women were 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: staying at this guy's house in Chang Mai at the time, 130 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: and when they made the allegations, the man offered the 131 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: women free accommodation to try and smooth things over before 132 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: eventually kicking them out of his house. And the incident 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: caused a lot of talk in the vegan community, which 134 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: forced Freely and Jurian to respond. So Freely told her 135 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: YouTube subscribers that she didn't want to feed into the drama. 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: Let's throw to more of what she said, all right. 137 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: So many people focused on shit and drama and you know, 138 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: be a victim hol me that sort of vibe and 139 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to be around people like that. Okay, 140 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: I decided along time ago. I don't want to be 141 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: around that energy. I don't want to be sucked into 142 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: that war text. 143 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of victim blaming there, particularly for 144 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: young women who have made very serious claims about an 145 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: older man. I'm very surprised by that. It shows how 146 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: far we've come in ten years. 147 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: Now. 148 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Freely's comments didn't go down well. Someone commented on the 149 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: video saying, you're saying rape doesn't need our attention. The 150 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: person then went on to say that rape should receive 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: the same amount of attention as animals do. 152 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 5: Now. 153 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: Freely responded saying, no one got rape life out loud. 154 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: A thigh massage and hand touching is not rape. I 155 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: know this was ten years ago, but I'm absolutely rocked 156 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: that this is the way that a large influencer and 157 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: someone with status in a community would talk about someone 158 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: coming forth, a group of women coming forth and talking 159 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: about sexual assaults. Well, it gets worse. So Dury and 160 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Ryder discredited the women's claim saying that they were just 161 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: attention seeking. Let's say to more of what he said. 162 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 4: Annie and Jill love drama, I love creating drama. I 163 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: love attention. And that's fine girls, but that's at my event. 164 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: I'm going to call out of it. 165 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: He then went on to say this. 166 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: I think if Jill built her fitness level up along 167 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: with Annie, if they trained together and got if they 168 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 4: got their if they got their doings to take time 169 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: under forty two minutes, their whole paradigm, mental paradim the 170 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: mental health would just like be so much better. 171 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: But they do enough sport. 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: They so sit around like just dramatazic to sit around 173 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: and be applying makeup and like spending four hours editing 174 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: like an Instagram Poto or whatever. 175 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if an influencer put this out these 176 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: days like they would be anyone canceled. I can't believe 177 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: that he would name the women on a public scale 178 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: like this. I know he didn't use last names, but 179 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty identifiable using their Christian name. Well, he sounds 180 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: very familiar with them to his first name basis. And 181 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: then to denigrade them by saying that they just love 182 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: gossip and drama and applying makeup and well, what about 183 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: the bit where he said that they need to be fitter. 184 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: So maybe if they were fitter that this wouldn't have 185 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: been a problem. But what has that got too crazy? Now? 186 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: A year later, a second the unrelated sexual assault incident 187 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: at the event came to light, and Durian received an 188 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: email from the victims accusing another man of pretending to 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: be vegan to gain their trust, and then, following the 190 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Fruit Festival, Harley took to Facebook to accuse 191 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: little known vegan YouTuber is or Mazard of being predatory 192 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: to teenage girls at the event. Durian shared a photo 193 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: of the YouTuber and wrote, I can't confirm one hundred 194 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: percent yet if this is true, but this piece of 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: shit is allegedly in Chang Mayan asking teenage girls for 196 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: money and I assume probably sex, etc. Is he another 197 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: If you see him in town or know what hotel 198 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: or apartment he is staying in, then please tell me. 199 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: You can remain anonymous. Of course, I know some of 200 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: the guys have spoken to me about him and want 201 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: to confront him, but until we can confirm anything, let's 202 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: keep it relatively nonviolent. If he has broken any rules, 203 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: we will citizens arrest him and hand him over to 204 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: the Thai police. If they don't do anything, then yes, 205 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: we can serve justice to the amount we feel is fair. 206 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: We have a large number of very trusting young women 207 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: in our community, and we want to set a loud 208 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: example that predators would be better avoiding our group at 209 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: all times, and if they want to pray, then we 210 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: will prey on them harder and faster. What an absolute 211 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: turn of events. You know, a few years before, women 212 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: are making legitimate claims about sexual assault and harassment that's 213 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: been perpetrated at these events or by people connected to 214 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: these events allegedly, and then now suddenly a guy who's 215 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: not connected to you, who is some sort of rival YouTube. 216 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: But you're saying, oh my god, we have such a 217 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: community of women that we've got to protect. It's all 218 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: of his fault. And I mean, it's clear that Jurian 219 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: has been trying to protect his festival at all costs, 220 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: and he realizes that this is a systemic problem and 221 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: it's running rampant, so he's got to blame someone else. 222 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Things change, though, when Jurian writer continued to level very 223 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: serious allegations against isel So Durian accused him of being 224 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: a pedophile, having a criminal record, and claimed he lured 225 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: young girls to his apartment in Changmi for unsolicited sexual encounters. 226 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: He also threatened to send goons around to his apartment 227 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: to kidnap him. Now Izel verminently denied these allegations and, 228 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: in a bit to clear his name, shared his criminal 229 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: record on YouTube. He hid back, saying Durien has targeted 230 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: him because he called Freely out on his YouTube channel. 231 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Is also went on to apologize to Freely over the videos. 232 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: He also claimed the dispute came down to their differing 233 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: vegan values, and during the war of words, Isel even 234 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: challenged Harley to a boxing match. Aw that's very Jordan 235 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Simmi of him and Logan Paul. Now, as this controversy intensified, 236 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: Isel created a fundraising campaign to raise money to sue 237 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: Durian for defamation, and he ended up raising six and 238 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: a half thousand dollars. This didn't stop Durian, though, Instead, 239 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: he confronted Isel during a live chat and asked him 240 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: what he'd done with that money. 241 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: Now. 242 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Jurian claimed the Isel had stolen this money for the 243 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: upcoming court case from his followers and was using that 244 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: money to support himself. Gosh, it's just It's such a 245 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: slinging match, isn't it. This drama is next level. Like 246 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: I think about some of the things that we talk 247 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: about on our podcast as being a big deal, and 248 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is actually very serious. Should have had 249 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: the podcast ten years ago. Now. Whilst trying to find 250 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: out whatever happened with this defamation case, I came across 251 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: a blog that Isizel still actually updates, and in November seventeen, 252 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: he had shared an update entitled Durian Writer the Court 253 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: Case Final Update and Reflections. But when I went to 254 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: go and look at the video, it turned out the 255 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: video had been deleted, and it appears the bulk of 256 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: the videos associated with these allegations have also been deleted, 257 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: which leads me to believe that the case must have 258 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: been settled out of court and both parties were perhaps 259 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: told to remove the offending material, because that quite often 260 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: happens in these situations, a bit like what happened with 261 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: Durian Writer and Kaylorestinas. Now, Harley's claims against Isel ended 262 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: up coming back to bite him because in twenty sixteen, 263 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: a YouTuber called Hannah alleged that Durian had sexually harassed 264 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: her while he was on a break from Freely. In 265 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Hannah uploaded a YouTube video saying she felt 266 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: like she had to go public after hearing Durian make 267 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: the same accusations against Isle. Now, Freely got on the 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: front foot and she labeled Hannah a liar, and she 269 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: said that Hannah got a world of hate for her lives, 270 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: a pretty bold statement. Hannah then came out and refuted 271 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: what Freeley said. She claims that Freely contacted her when 272 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: she was on this break from Durian Ryder and said 273 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: that and said that Durian had been with a lot 274 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: of young girls while they weren't together. Then, of course, 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Freeley got back with Durian and completely changed her tune. 276 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: They did break up again though, in June twenty sixteen. 277 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: Around the same time, Durian also became embroiled in another 278 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: online stout, this time with a YouTuber called Jen Now Tragically. 279 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: Jen was sharing her battle with breast cancer, and she 280 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: asked her subscribers to help her with donations for her treatment, 281 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: as she sadly couldn't afford it now. Rather than helping 282 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: amplify Jen's requests for help, Durian jumped on his channel 283 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: and called her a scammer. He questioned the legitimacy of 284 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Jen's claims and said he looked into her eyes in 285 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: the video and saw darkness. He said in a now 286 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: deleted video that Jen Girl is too much of a 287 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: victim for her immune system to be strong enough for recovery. 288 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: In my opinion, again, I'm open to be proven wrong. 289 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean a bit of a bold statement that you 290 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: can just tell in someone's eyes that they're not actually 291 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: going through a cancer journey. Absolutely awful. Now, Jen ended 292 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: up sharing her medical paperwork to prove that she did 293 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: in fact have cancer. How disgusting is that that someone's 294 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: actually got to go to the next level of having 295 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: to provide their medical records. She also went on to 296 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: document her treatment. Sadly, though, Jen had to stop treatment 297 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: after she couldn't raise enough money to continue it, and devastatingly, 298 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: she passed away shortly after. That is just absolutely tragic. 299 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: It is so awful, and I do find it ironic 300 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: how the figureheads of this online vegan community spent most 301 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: of their time fighting with other vegans instead of actually 302 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: focusing on progressing the vegan movement. They were instead all 303 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: about progressing their own personal agendas, and it wasn't an 304 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: isolated incident with Freely and Jury, and it was very 305 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: common in the vegan community. The personal attacks were very 306 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: ingrained with vegan vloggers because they clearly were more interested 307 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: in building a following and also being the figureheads of 308 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: that community. There seemed to be a lot of competition 309 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: amongst them. Yeah, and I think a big part of 310 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: the problem were these individuals putting their face and identity 311 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: to the cause, so the emphasis was then placed on 312 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: the individual to represent the movement. And it's a clear 313 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: example of mixing your moral philosophy with your own personal brand, 314 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: and it definitely gave the vegan movement a very bad name, 315 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: which I don't think they've actually managed to get rid 316 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: of yet. Yeah. It's a very strange one because at 317 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: the core of the vegan movement, its supposed to be 318 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: peaceful because you're trying to protect the rights of animals. 319 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: Yet everyone was literally spending their time personally attacking one another. Yeah, 320 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of them thought they were 321 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: wholely than now because they were vegan, and it seems 322 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: like many of them thought that being vegan made them 323 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: better people, and it was all about ego and trying 324 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: to get the title of top dog or top guru 325 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: of the vegan movement. I mean not to call the 326 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: vegan movement a cult, but you do see in a 327 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: lot of cults that there are usually figureheads who really 328 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: get off on telling younger people and people in the 329 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: less powerful positions what to do. And there's so much 330 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: hype around who the leaders are and people just blindly 331 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: follow whatever they say, which seems to be taken to 332 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: a grander scale when you have an online platform like 333 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, and I mean I can understand it 334 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: from a strategy perspective because these scandals that they were 335 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: creating by battling it out for the title of the 336 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: best vegan really did create engagement of views. But a 337 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: lot of non vegans were no doubt tuning in and 338 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: just laughing about it. And unfortunately, throughout this whole time, 339 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: an Almals really played second fiddle to the vegan vloggers 340 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: because they put their personal ego and brands ahead of 341 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: the course. After being one another's biggest supporters, Freely and 342 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Durian quickly became each other's biggest enemies. So the pair 343 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: called it quits in June twenty sixteen, but went public 344 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: with the news in September. Now, the announcement spiked one 345 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: of the biggest vegan fights the Internet has ever seen, 346 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: so Jurian uploaded a YouTube video entitled why We Broke 347 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: Up the one hundred percent Truth, which we were seeing 348 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: all big influences doing this at the time. I heard 349 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: that baby. That was a very similar title to chiny 350 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: Grimman's video about Jonathan sour like why we Broke Up Now. 351 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: In the video, Durian cried as he revealed that their 352 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: happy online relationship was volatile and sometimes violent behind the scenes. 353 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Durien labeled Freely the best manipulator he had met in 354 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: his life. Let's throw too more of what he said. 355 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: Truth is man. She was so abusive to me, she said, 356 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: he me what and I was got of called it. 357 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: But then last year I'd hit her back. You know, 358 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: I think, if you're going to hit like a man, 359 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: then you've got to get got to get hit back. 360 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: And I never ever hit feeling in the face. I 361 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: never used any more force than was needed. I would 362 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: just push her off with a pin it out and 363 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: just punch on the leg with hord and just say 364 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: is non acceptable? Behavior, control your anger. She's just got 365 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: a really bad temper. Man aster brothers, and I guess 366 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: she saw me as a brother and you know we'd 367 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: have our arguments, and that she did not up just 368 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: coming at me. You know, she should scratch me so 369 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: hard in my arms, you know, the bleed things like that. 370 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: That's very confronting to listen to. And it's very sad 371 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: to hear that that was allegedly going on behind the scenes. 372 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: It's really ran now to hear influences open up about 373 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: their relationships online. We don't often hear people speaking about 374 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: domestic violence and what goes on behind the scenes when 375 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: both parties are known, and particularly in that manner. I mean, 376 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: currently this country is going through a crisis when it 377 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: comes to domestic violence, and it's really hard to hear 378 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: someone detail all of that and weaponize it against a woman, 379 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: and to hear dury and say, oh, it's okay that 380 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: I hit her because she hit me, and then not 381 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: to have her side of events. Now. Harley also went 382 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: on to claim that Freely stole his lifestyle concept. He 383 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: also alleged that Freely had been using botox since twenty 384 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: thirteen and intentionally hit it from him, as well as 385 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: accusing her of forcing her new boyfriend to get a vasectomy. Now, 386 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: the reason she would have hid from Harley and her 387 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: audience that she got botox is because it's not vegan, 388 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: so it's actually made from a bacteria that can be 389 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: found in animals like pigs and fish. Oh wow, I 390 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: didn't realize that. I thought it might have come down 391 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: to the fact that she wanted to portray that she 392 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: looked so youthful and young because she was eating this 393 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: vegan diet and it wasn't that she was relying on 394 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: cosmetic procedures. But also, if you're really picky about what 395 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: you're putting into your body, it's interesting that you woul 396 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: choose to put some sort of poison in your face 397 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: to help you look better. Well, there is a lot 398 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: of hypocrisy with lifestyle influences even now. Yeah, Well, Freely 399 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: did come out and deny the majority of Durian's claims. 400 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: She was quoted in the Daily Mail as saying, if 401 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: it was true that I was beating him up all 402 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the time, then why did he stay? I mean again, 403 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: we know that that Rhada is Yeah, why did he 404 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: have no marks on him? Even though he was making 405 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: daily videos because it's not true. Him accusing me as 406 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: an insult to real sufferers of domestic violence. It makes 407 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: light of their suffering. Now Freely did, however, admit that 408 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: there were times during their relationship that they were somewhat 409 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: physical with each other. She said, The irony is he 410 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: actually hit me many times, and not in defense. He 411 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: has swung a bag violently at my face and left 412 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: a scratch across my face. He has punched me in 413 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: the face with his fist after I affectionately nibbled on 414 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: his ear, which was apparently sore. He reacted by punching 415 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: me in the face and saying why the fuck did 416 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: you do that. He has punched and kicked me so 417 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: hard and leg before multiple times that I couldn't walk 418 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: properly for the rest of the day. Again, that is 419 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: just so confronting to hear, antually awful. It really surprises 420 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: me that that was a quote that was published. Well, 421 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: maybe not so much when you realize it was in 422 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, but it's very alarming to hear that. 423 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: Now Freely also claimed that Durian's alleged violent behavior was 424 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: caused by steroid abuse, which Durian has vehemently denied. It's 425 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: so interesting that she has hit back at his botox 426 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: claims by saying, oh, well, he was on steroids, because 427 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: now you're questioning, well, what part of your lifestyle was genuine? 428 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 429 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Freely did end up denying that she used botox. She 430 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: did admit to using a plant based alternative product, though, 431 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: and in addition to defending herself, Freely leveled her own 432 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: claims against Durian. So she accused him of cheating on 433 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: her with multiple women, and she also alleged that Jurian 434 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: expressed interest in one of their underage followers, as well 435 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: as blackmailed her to continue to do videos with him. Gosh, 436 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: this is also dark and sinister. It really is now. 437 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, six years after their breakup, Durian 438 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: addressed the split again in an episode of his podcast, 439 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: Durian Writer Raw Truth. In the episode, he accused Freely 440 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: of ripping him off by at least five hundred thousand dollars. 441 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: He explained that he pursued her legally in a civil 442 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: family court in a bit to divide their assets, but 443 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: claimed that Freely fled to Ecuador to avoid the court case. 444 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: On the episode, Duren also said, I'm telling the truth. 445 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: She's full of shit, you know, and that's hey, that's women, 446 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, and feminine men. He went on to say 447 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: that he didn't end up pursuing a defamation case against 448 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Freely like Johnny Depp did with Amber Heard, because he 449 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: didn't have the money and the lawyers just win out. 450 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 5: He also said this, but he really got understand the 451 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: responsibility as a boyfriend, as a lover. If she's making 452 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 5: someone calm and then I feel rejected by you one day, damn. 453 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you could end up in some really 454 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 3: hot water. So again, just want to reiterate, got no 455 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: hate for Freely at all. You know, I totally understand 456 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: where she's coming from. I did make her feel rejected. 457 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: This has made me feel so sick. I mean, I 458 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: listened to the whole podcast. He spoke a lot about 459 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: women climaxing in this sort of context, and it just 460 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: made no sense to me. I'm like, what are you 461 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: going on about it? It's revolting. I can't believe that 462 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: this podcast aired in twenty twenty two and this guy 463 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: still has a platform. I'd often know having downloads he 464 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: got on this. I don't think there's a lot of 465 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: people who listened to it, So would have you been 466 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: excited when it popped up that there was one extra 467 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: from you for this? Yeah? Well. He also went into 468 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: more detail about the alleged domestic violence claims he accused 469 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: Freely of pulling a knife on him and neeing him. 470 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: He said that Freely should be a UFC fighter, as 471 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: he's never been hit harder by anyone before. It was 472 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: around the time of the breakup that Freely's YouTube channel 473 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: really started falling apart, and instead of blaming the content 474 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: or maybe what had been going on, she said that 475 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: it was YouTube's fault because at the time the platform 476 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: was having issues with their big advertisers and it was 477 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: dubbed ad apocalypse. Yeah, so basically what was happening were Yeah, 478 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: So basically what happened was big advertise started pulling their 479 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: ads from YouTube because they didn't want their ads shown 480 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: alongside controversial and problematic content like Freely and Durian Writers, 481 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: and in response, YouTube tightened its content moderation Policiason demanetized 482 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: a lot of channels, so it caused a lot of 483 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: backlash from creators, including Freely. Freely claimed her subscribers were 484 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: not only not being shown her content, but being automatically unsubscribed, 485 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: and to try and combat the algorithm, Freely moved away 486 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: from call out videos and began filming a lot of 487 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: ASMR videos. She also started up a new channel called 488 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: the Frugovore Diet, where she still uploads call out videos 489 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and vegan lifestyle videos. It never quite had the same 490 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: traction as her original YouTube channel. Not long after her 491 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: very public breakup, Freely took a bit of a hiatus 492 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: from YouTube, and in February twenty eighteen, she revealed that 493 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: she had moved to Ecuador to live off the grid. 494 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: Now she moved into a cabin in the South American 495 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: jungle with a new partner called Snowban like snow Feed 496 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: better than dream Rider. Very cute, isn't it, And at 497 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: the time she revealed she felt freer than ever, saying, 498 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: I spend most of my day's nude, free of restrictive clothing. 499 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I feat mostly on organic fruits and vegetables picked from 500 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: the land. I shower in monsoonal rains and drink from 501 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: pristine creeks. I quit an unhealthy relationship and found peace. 502 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: I haven't shaved my body hair dyed my hair, or 503 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: worn makeup in over six months Soun's liberating Wow Yeah Well. 504 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: By May twenty eighteen, Freely's followers began getting suspicious about 505 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: her supposed grid free lifestyle, and in late June, Freely 506 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: addressed the allegations on Instagram, revealing her life had been 507 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: really tough at times. She wrote one comment, I said 508 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: I was lying and living in a mansion out here, 509 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: and I have a photographer who follows me around taking 510 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: all my picks. Not quite, honey. In reality, I have 511 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: been living in a tent under a shed for many 512 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: months through monsoonal rain and gale force winds. Yes, I 513 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: do have a smartphone but no reception, laptop and Internet 514 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: made possible through a satellite connection necessary tools of communication 515 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: and income. This means I can share with you what 516 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: I see as an empowering, urgent message. At this stage, 517 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: I can't send you that message telepathically. I can see 518 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: the whole hypocrisy of it, though, because it's like I'm 519 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: living this very off the grid lifestyle where I'm free 520 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: and away from the judgment of others. Yet I'm still 521 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: going to create content that I upload to the Internet 522 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: to show you all like it just doesn't really make sense, 523 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: does it? And monetize it now? Yeah? 524 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: Now. 525 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: In September twenty eighteen, Freely confirmed that she had moved 526 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: from Ecuador to the Australian Jungle, where she still lives now. 527 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: At the time, she revealed that she was working on 528 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: the most controversial book she had ever written, which almost 529 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: cost her relationship with Snowpea. Now we are still awaiting 530 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: the launch of that book, and that is where we 531 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: are going to leave things. Well, I really hope that 532 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: this book doesn't see the light of day, because I mean, 533 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: if this is her most controversial book, what sort of 534 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: advice is she providing in there? Yeah, And as we 535 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: discussed in the first episode, a lot of people, people 536 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: who followed her Raw till four Guide are still dealing 537 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: with the damage it caused them all those years ago. 538 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: I'm guessing this would have to be self published because 539 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: she doesn't have an engaged community anymore. Who would want 540 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: to put their neck on the line and say, I'm 541 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: backing this woman and I'm publishing this book. Yeah, I 542 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: think she would have struggle to find a publisher. Well, 543 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to this special series of Outspoken. 544 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: It has been really interesting looking back ten years ago, 545 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: which seems like about thirty years ago. I think things 546 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: have changed so much for the better over the last decade. 547 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: If you do enjoy the podcast, we would love if 548 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: you could share it with a friend. 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