WEBVTT - Building Community Through Clean Energy

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<v Speaker 1>Black Cast, Unite our voices.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bailey.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you Mob, Welcome back to this special episode at

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<v Speaker 2>the First Nation's Clean Energy Network Summit here on the

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<v Speaker 2>Sunshine Coast, which brings this guest here to the table,

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<v Speaker 2>brings me to a conversation that I had at a summit,

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<v Speaker 2>the Indigenous Leadership Summit in nam and Michael Frangos jumped

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<v Speaker 2>on and had a yarn as a non Indigenous brother.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a yarn that kind of connects from

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<v Speaker 2>that one and brings you to this conversation with this

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<v Speaker 2>brother here. So too, the listeners and the viewers on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to share a little bit about yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>so your name, your mob, and a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>where you grew up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Tommy Hicks, Head of Cultural and Community and Indigenous Entergy Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>But on my mother's side, so kind of that place

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<v Speaker 4>northeast of Perth, and people always ask me what's out there,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's not a whole heap to describe, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>near and then I'm Norunger on my father's side, so

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<v Speaker 4>butterfish people from the Openinsula in South Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Living in Perth.

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<v Speaker 4>Allegedly, Yeah, I spent a lot of time in the

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<v Speaker 4>Virgin Lounge. In the Virgin Lounge, yeah yeah, clocking up

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<v Speaker 4>the km so yeah, yeah, the team shipsing around the

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<v Speaker 4>country to do a few bits and pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>So privileged privilege was how much of the country I

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<v Speaker 3>get to see?

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, in terms about talking about country,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're doing here at this summit.

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<v Speaker 1>What's been some of the highlights for you so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Just the people Always I think, like, like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I just did a chart and in my acknowledgment and

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<v Speaker 4>country always talking about country for me being being about

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<v Speaker 4>stories and stories of place, but also stories of people

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<v Speaker 4>and getting to getting to kind of like bump into

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<v Speaker 4>each other and let stories bounce off. I want another

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<v Speaker 4>that's people you've seen and new people you've met, and

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<v Speaker 4>just getting to learn different things from different people and

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<v Speaker 4>also have the things, you know, kind of reinforced or

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<v Speaker 4>seeds that have been planned with you watered a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's always a highlight for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that seeds that have been planned and need

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<v Speaker 2>watering a little bit. I always think about these opportunities,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, we get together. We have all these yarns,

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<v Speaker 2>non abitional people coming here, and then there's nothing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like radio silence. How have you been able to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stay engaged with these conversations or make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>some of these seeds that have been planted actually you know,

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<v Speaker 2>start growing and you know there's conversations keep happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I'm privileged enough to work directly in this industry,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm in the thick of a lot of weather

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<v Speaker 4>work happens, and I think what makes it feel like

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<v Speaker 4>nothing is that it's the space, you know, so we

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<v Speaker 4>don't always get to see each other. And it's really

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<v Speaker 4>fast paced industry in general. So like you blink sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>and you haven't seen Fallows for six months and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on again?

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<v Speaker 3>So how do I stay engaged?

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<v Speaker 4>Look privileged enough to be a shareholder in our company

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<v Speaker 4>as well, and the decision making out that director level

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<v Speaker 4>is very aligned, and we make sure we put our

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<v Speaker 4>gennas on the ground everywhere we go and soak those

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<v Speaker 4>things up. So taking the time to talk to people

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<v Speaker 4>or take a phone call or have a chat on

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<v Speaker 4>a Sunday with fellows, I just have a question, is

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<v Speaker 4>how I really stay connected to this space, but I

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<v Speaker 4>guess hear the themes of the conversations when you're back

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<v Speaker 4>in a place like this some good where we've had breakthroughs,

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<v Speaker 4>but definitely not at the scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about the work that you do.

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<v Speaker 4>What we call ourselves an advert consultant, So we're kind

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<v Speaker 4>of coining that term at the moment, so advocate consultant.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a really nice way to say, we'll argue with

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<v Speaker 4>you about the job first and then make sure the

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<v Speaker 4>job gets done right.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we consult in infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a lot of kind of like the main

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<v Speaker 4>two things are engagement and then infrastructure advisory, but the

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<v Speaker 4>high level thing and you know, Michael probably unpack this

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<v Speaker 4>quite a bit in his episode, but it's just about

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<v Speaker 4>again now it comes from a mob out of infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 4>infrastructure being those kind of physical foundations of life. So

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<v Speaker 4>we'll get involved with anything, you know. Two weeks ago

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<v Speaker 4>I was in Parliament having a chat with the Federal Minister.

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<v Speaker 4>And last week I was in four regional towns of

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<v Speaker 4>New South when I was talking about water and rits

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<v Speaker 4>and listening to people's stories about living themissions by the

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<v Speaker 4>Creek and how that water body has changed and those

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<v Speaker 4>types of things. So it takes me all the way

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<v Speaker 4>across the spectrum in different spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>And what have you seen in terms of progress in

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<v Speaker 2>the work that you do, the space that you're in

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<v Speaker 2>in the sector in general?

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<v Speaker 4>I think people's capability, Like it is a new space.

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<v Speaker 4>This industry is quite quite young, and my background has

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<v Speaker 4>been in like education, social work, systems, design that type

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff. So for me, I'm eighteen months in full

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<v Speaker 4>time and it's like there's been people kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>growing on that journey with me as well and being

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<v Speaker 4>able to kind of transfer a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think, yeah, people's really.

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<v Speaker 4>Starting to kind of understand the space, and particularly you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think in NATOK and that next generation comes through

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<v Speaker 4>just just bumping into some pretty pretty smooth young operators

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<v Speaker 4>around there doing really good things. Yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>that's something that can continues to change and grow.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of within the business, have you got

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<v Speaker 2>staff that you're employing now, what does it look like?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Look, any professional services firm grows and shrinks, so

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, we've had a bit of a growing

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<v Speaker 4>a shrink lately, which is which is really good.

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<v Speaker 3>One some new projects.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's about probably roughly twenty of us at the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've got plans to grow. And the growth for

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<v Speaker 4>us has really been about scaling impact rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 4>scaling scaling the bank balance.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, to bring people on.

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<v Speaker 2>I had eighteen staff two years ago, down to like seven.

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<v Speaker 2>But the impact in other works that I do as

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<v Speaker 2>a consultant, delivery, training and supporting, just uplifting the cultural

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<v Speaker 2>capability and confidence for my clients to then engage with

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<v Speaker 2>people like you, but more particular, like just any black

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<v Speaker 2>follower in general, how do people operate on Aboriginal terms

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<v Speaker 2>as a non avitual person.

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<v Speaker 1>How can they you know? Well, more importantly, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to see themselves as visitors on other people's countries,

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<v Speaker 2>not experts, and they need to realize that when they're

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<v Speaker 2>on our turf or in our communities, that they should

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<v Speaker 2>be students and they're there to learn from us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will teach them much more than you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to teach us. So trying to get them to

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<v Speaker 2>understand these two very different worlds and how they can

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<v Speaker 2>navigate these two worlds. So it's kind of like we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to assimilate them into being black fellows and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get better outcomes, right if they understood there's really deep

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of this like relationality, like this ethos of

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<v Speaker 2>how Aboriginal people are connected to land and that deep

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<v Speaker 2>sense of obligation to look after land and if we

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<v Speaker 2>can get that right, then the.

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<v Speaker 1>Land will look after us.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do we get non Aboriginal people to really

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<v Speaker 2>see this as an area of interest, Like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of urgent when you think about climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's a great question. And what I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to say is fundamentally at odds with speed.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's it's mostly.

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<v Speaker 4>About why, you know, Like it's I was just on

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<v Speaker 4>stage and I said, you know, we really should be

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<v Speaker 4>growing things out of why. And to bring non Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 4>people into that space and help them understand our why

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<v Speaker 4>starts to really paint a picture of how we operate

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<v Speaker 4>and how we prioritize and how we make decisions. And

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<v Speaker 4>to me and and you mentioned traveling from people's countries

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<v Speaker 4>and other people's countries being really good at having cultural capability,

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<v Speaker 4>it's less about knowing and it's more about knowing what

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<v Speaker 4>to ask. You know, you move through that process always

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<v Speaker 4>put that relationship first and business grows from that. And

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<v Speaker 4>we take the same approach with our company and saying,

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<v Speaker 4>let's establish a relationship that a project fits into. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>not try and cram a relationship into a project. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>really really helping them understand that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what's some of the lessons that you've learned

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<v Speaker 2>being in business that you could share with some of

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners, especially young mob It might be in their startup,

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<v Speaker 2>they might be a little bit more mature, it might

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<v Speaker 2>be struggling.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, Look, my sense of identity helps me step

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<v Speaker 4>into a lot of these spaces and it really helps me.

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<v Speaker 4>I always say I'm pretty good, I kind of popping

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<v Speaker 4>my head above the tall grass and saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>are we going in the right direction here, and actively

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<v Speaker 4>play that role for the company. But if I to

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<v Speaker 4>give any advice, it's really get comfortable speaking from your perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's funny that a lot of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>make my methodology all the things we do as a

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<v Speaker 4>company really work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's things I was taught as a.

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<v Speaker 4>Young person, like really young before I even started my career,

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<v Speaker 4>So just how to move and how to speak and

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<v Speaker 4>connect with people, and showface and those different types of things.

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<v Speaker 3>You start working that into how you do your work.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think really, if.

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<v Speaker 4>You, especially if you work with black flos, really really

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<v Speaker 4>trusting that and then a bit more from the scary

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<v Speaker 4>perspective as to see of agendas out there and really

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<v Speaker 4>taking the time to kind of hear what other people's

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<v Speaker 4>wives are will really really help you navigate some of

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<v Speaker 4>those spaces really well. So listening and responding accordingly, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Most proud of in terms of some of your business achievements?

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<v Speaker 4>To be honest, I pinched myself sometimes just to think, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I work for a house that I've played a huge

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<v Speaker 4>role in building, you know, and I take massive pride

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<v Speaker 4>in knowing there's about, you know, fifteen kids of our company,

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<v Speaker 4>and I play a big role in putting food on

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<v Speaker 4>the table, center to school, or getting them a body

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<v Speaker 4>electric secuter and those types of things. That's a huge thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I think business will always be business and we'll grow

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<v Speaker 4>and adjust. But again, the people that I work with

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<v Speaker 4>and for, we always describe us we're more of a

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<v Speaker 4>community than a company, and we are community that can

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<v Speaker 4>operate in the corporate space.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not corporates that can reach back into our community.

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<v Speaker 4>So just that ethos in our company culture is something

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<v Speaker 4>I'm incredibly proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>Too deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to yel with you, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to get on a plane and jet back

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<v Speaker 2>over to Wadjack Nongam learning my words it. I was

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<v Speaker 2>schooled by Uncle Laura Maguire teaching me when I was

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<v Speaker 2>over there some of the language that I needed to use,

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<v Speaker 2>not needed to should use, and just being respectful. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's as a black woman going to another country, making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I've got the right people guiding me. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that's the problem. You've got people operating in these

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<v Speaker 2>spaces and going to the communities with the wrong people

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<v Speaker 2>guiding them.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen that a lot?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, I definitely have. And it's a challenge.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got this prerogative to really kind of unite with opportunity,

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<v Speaker 4>so we try and use that character get people to

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<v Speaker 4>come together and sitting in sitting in those kind of

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<v Speaker 4>generational riffs often caused by things like coal mining or

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<v Speaker 4>mining and irresponsible business creating has and have not. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like we all as black files, we will understand what

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<v Speaker 4>those things feel like. And families that haven't spoken for

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<v Speaker 4>so long, and those types of things and check native

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<v Speaker 4>title into it. Yeah, yeah, all these layers of governance

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<v Speaker 4>and rights and you are and you are, and the

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<v Speaker 4>complexities about verifying even who you are. Like, you're right,

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<v Speaker 4>that guidance is so important and we really I don't

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<v Speaker 4>fly in and fly out of communities too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Like everything I.

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<v Speaker 4>Do, I'd love to employ local people to give me

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<v Speaker 4>that context and that type of thing. So the value

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<v Speaker 4>put on place based understanding are just boots on the ground, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>we value that massively highly. Yeah, and it's and it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>led to some unbelievable opportunities and wins to deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's on the horizon for you and your company

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<v Speaker 2>the work that you're doing, and I think you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can share with this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, we're pretty transparent about what we do as well,

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<v Speaker 4>and what's on the horizon more growth, I think like

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<v Speaker 4>we really we really have taken the time to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out if what we do works and now we're confident

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<v Speaker 4>in that and we've we've kind of pushed the accelerator

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<v Speaker 4>on growing, which comes with a number of challenges, especially

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<v Speaker 4>being a young leader like I turned twenty nine on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 4>So still still pretty young for a person working at

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<v Speaker 4>this level.

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<v Speaker 3>But happy birthday, Thank you. No, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, there's there's it's just this methodology that works,

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<v Speaker 4>I think. And it's just all about understanding what followers

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<v Speaker 4>want and understanding how our project or something happening makes

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<v Speaker 4>that happen, you know, in a way that's defined by them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the most important part.

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<v Speaker 4>So really trying to develop our footprint now and get

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<v Speaker 4>around the place and pick up some of the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And that's the main thing. And we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>here about economic development, but coming from that social kind

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<v Speaker 4>of background, adopting that first things first stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if the water don't work, don't worry about

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<v Speaker 3>a job, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 4>People are dying twenty years earlier, fifteen years early in

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<v Speaker 4>remote places. You get talking about job skills and money

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<v Speaker 4>just doesn't cut it at the minute.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and here I am like fe feeling really

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<v Speaker 2>proud to seeing other black fellows thriving and just reminding

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<v Speaker 2>myself of how deadly it is to be a black

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<v Speaker 2>feller and just to see other deadly black fellows and

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<v Speaker 2>there's not enough of us out there promoting the things

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing. So it's good for podcasts like this

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<v Speaker 2>where we can share these stories without big noting, but

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<v Speaker 2>just share and you know the work that we do

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<v Speaker 2>and what drives us.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say one last thing before we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're flying around, You're all over the country,

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<v Speaker 2>You're hardly ever home. What do you do in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of just kind of I don't know whether it's to

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<v Speaker 2>feel your carple to look after your mental health? How

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<v Speaker 2>do you how do you look after you?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great question, to be honest, It's still something

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<v Speaker 4>I'm figuring out. Like I kind of grew up as

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<v Speaker 4>a young person really have routine, so developing that now

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<v Speaker 4>is a challenge, especially with the travel and those types

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<v Speaker 4>of things. But the other side of that is I've

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<v Speaker 4>always operated in a bit of chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>So still figuring it out. What I do like to

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<v Speaker 3>do is connect with people and connect with place. I

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<v Speaker 3>love food too, Like I love getting around and be like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, I got to eat at this place.

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<v Speaker 4>With that I have it, Yeah, quite a simple, simple

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<v Speaker 4>thing and just but always look forward to geting home

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<v Speaker 4>and some serial and PlayStation that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's how you switch off because being a business

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<v Speaker 2>owner myself, I can't switch off.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just always something to do.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something I forgot, there's another project, another client, another email,

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<v Speaker 2>another staff member, another.

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<v Speaker 1>Idea, another business.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm constantly, you know, on, switched on, and i sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>find it hard to switch off. And I've got kids

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of want me to be present and to

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<v Speaker 2>be their mum and not just you know, take calls

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<v Speaker 2>at all hours of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've learned now twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Years in to put boundaries around my time and my energy.

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<v Speaker 1>But very inspiring.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of the people that I work

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<v Speaker 2>with that are probably some of the people you work with.

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<v Speaker 2>We should do another yard where we're not on camera

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<v Speaker 2>but talking about business and how we can even refer

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<v Speaker 2>work and clients to each other, because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that probably need the advice that you followers

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<v Speaker 2>could give them because it's not the sector that I

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<v Speaker 2>play in, but as a black woman that is very

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<v Speaker 2>much committed to creating a much more it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>better country.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want a healthy planet. I want my.

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<v Speaker 2>Children and my grandchildren to have access to clean air

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<v Speaker 2>and clean water. And that's at the moment, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a big ask, So thank you for the work

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<v Speaker 2>that you're doing and continue to do when you're only

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine far out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fair really old at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>For all of you younger mob, it's you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>world's your oyster. Take those opportunities with two hands and

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<v Speaker 2>run with it. There's nothing stopping us, and there's more

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<v Speaker 2>black businesses popping up left, right and center. So I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to hear more and to follow your journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for stopping in last minute and jumping on

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Magic on podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I a bit of a quiet fan and follower

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<v Speaker 4>of yours too, so oh stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice to see all.

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<v Speaker 4>The things you do and give the follows the platform

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of say these things. I'm definitely a victim

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<v Speaker 4>of not saying enough, like not not really social media operator,

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<v Speaker 4>but thank you for the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we all have a social media now my brother

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<v Speaker 2>for all our listeners. If you want to know more,

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<v Speaker 2>especially around the clean energy, this space Renewable Energy, the

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<v Speaker 2>First Nations Clean Energy Network. There's a lot of resources

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<v Speaker 2>on their website, but will also connect you to this

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<v Speaker 2>brother's business. So look, Thank you again, safe travels back

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<v Speaker 2>to your country, and for our listeners, I hope you've

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed this Deadly yarn. Until next time, bye for now.

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