1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Monday, the thirtieth of March. I'm Emma Gillespie. 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: I'm Zara Seidler. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: How did an argument about astrology lead to Australia's biggest 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: radio show being canceled and now a one hundred million 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: dollar lawsuit? That is the question that we're going to 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: attempt to unpack. For today's deep dive, we'll take you 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: inside the legal showdown between broadcaster ARN and the highest 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: paid man in Australian media history, Kyle Sandlands. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: M. We have been following this story since that astrology 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: tiff first kicked off. Yep, I love an astrology tiff 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: as much as the next person does, but that's not 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: the focus of this podcast. We're going to talk about 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: what's happened with car Sandalans, what that lawsuit is for anyone, 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: perhaps not in Sydney, not someone who is an active 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: radio listener. Can you just run through very quickly, who 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 3: are the main characters here that we need to know about? 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: Yes, so we're talking about the Kyle and Jackie O 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: show today. This is Australia's biggest commercial radio program ever. 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Was was Australia's biggest commercial radio program ever on KISSFM, 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: hosted by Kyle Sandalans and Jackie Henderson aka Jackie O. 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: Now as a duo, they presented together for twenty five years. 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Ten of those years were part of Kiss FM with 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: this show. Prior to that they were on TODAYFM with 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Southern Cross Ostereo. But as much as they have been 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: a ratings juggernaut, they have also been incredibly controversial. If 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you don't know them from the radio, you certainly know 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: them from the headlines they've made over the decades that 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: they've been on air. We could spend a whole podcast 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: talking about all the controversies embroiling them. But in November 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, importantly Today Story, Kyle and Jackie OH 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: signed a ten year contract reportedly worth two hundred million 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: dollars one hundred million dollars each over ten years, also 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: known as the biggest contract in Australian entertainment history. So, television, radio, 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: you name it. No one's ever been paid that much 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: in Australia. 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: And that's why I think there is so much interest 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: in what has unfolded since because there is so. 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: Much money on the line. 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: He yes, and you know, perhaps that is why Carl 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: Sandlands is pushing forward in the way that he is. 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: I corrected you before when you said they were the 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: biggest radio stars. 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: That's because now they're not on air. You alluded to 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: it before. 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: And we've covered this all in a pod just very 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: quickly though, what actually went wrong between the two. 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: So on the twentieth of February, Kyle and Jackie had 50 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: a seven minute fight live on air. It basically kicked 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: off after Jackie was looking up former Prince Andrew's astrology chart. 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: Kyle chastised her accuser of being off with the fairies 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: every segment, He said, every time you've spoken, you don't 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: even know what's going on. It was a tough listen, 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: but it wasn't hugely unusual in terms of the kind 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: of retrick that you might be used to hearing on 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: that program. And after that broadcast, Jackie said that she 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: was taking some time off. Kyle continued to broadcast for 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: about six days. But that's the fight, the seven minutes 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: really at the heart of all of this. And I 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: also should have mentioned that Kiss FM, the station that 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: they're on that's owned by a company called ARN, the 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Australian Radio Network. That broadcaster owns about sixty radio stations 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: across the country and they're a big player in this too. 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: And so the Carl and Jackie O show came to 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: an end after this tiff over Jackie being off with 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: the fairies while searching it's just the most insane sentence 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: to say out loud, searching up Prince Andrew's astrology. Yeah, 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: and that was the thing that ended this partnership. 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Well, not immediately, so, as I mentioned, Jackie took that leave, 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: but then ARN announced the show was being taken off. 72 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: This was a kind of shock ASX statement. AARN is 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: a public company, so these kinds of updates are shared 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: publicly on the ASX. Jackie said, according to ARN, that 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: she could no longer work with Kyle, and so ARN 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: said the show was done. Basically, it flagged that Kyle 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: had made a serious breach of his contract with his 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: comments about Jackie, that there was serious misconduct there. Kyle 79 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: was suspended on the day that that statement was dropped, 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: that was the third of March. He was issued a 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: formal breach notice. Two weeks later. His contract was terminated. 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: That termination is now at the center of this legal battle. 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: Okay, I want to get to the legal battle, but 84 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: first let's hear a quick note from today's sponsor. So, 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: just before the break, we were talking about the fact 86 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: that Kyle's contract was terminated. Can I just quickly clarify Jackie's. 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: Was not right? 88 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Jackie's contract was terminated. 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: This sladder clarified. 90 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for asking. So Jackie's contract was terminated the 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: day that breach notice was issued by ARN, So the 92 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: day that we learn earned that Jackie apparently no longer 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: wanted to work with Kyle, that the show is being 94 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: taken off. There is also the day we now know 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: that her contract was terminated. ARN said it had offered 96 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: her the possibility of another show on the network. Jackie 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: has denied that she quit, She's denied resigning, and is 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: reportedly pursuing her own legal action. So Jackie's statements following 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: that ARN news really contradict what we got in that 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: ASX statement. And there is a lot of doubt cast 101 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: over who said what, who decided what when, and whose decision. 102 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Ultimately it was for the show to be no more. 103 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: And so on Friday we saw these photos and videos 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: of car Sanlans going into court, and that was because 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: he has sued ARM and there is now a lawsuit 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: that is unfolding. Talk me through what exactly Kyle is 107 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: claiming and what he is trying to prove happened here. 108 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Yes, so, just over a week ago, Kyle Sandalans and 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: his lawyers filed proceedings in the federal court. Now the argument, 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: the core argument here is that ARN had no valid 111 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: grounds to terminate his contract and that what happened on 112 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: the twentieth of February that off with the Fairies fight 113 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: was not serious misconduct. So that's Kyle's argument. His team 114 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: is also arguing that the fight that he had on 115 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: air with Jackie was completely consistent with the kind of 116 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: conversation style tone of the show that ARN recognizes and 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: celebrates them for having or celebrated them for having, and 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: that the contract itself had explicitly acknowledged this robust, irreverent, 119 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: and at times confrontational style of conversation between the pair. 120 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I found this so interesting. Carl's essentially saying you 121 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: liked it when we had TIFFs and fights and arguments, 122 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: and now you're turning around and saying, oh, but this 123 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 3: one that was the line. Yeah, that's kind of the 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: basis of his argument. 125 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: And they have had previous fights on air, much bigger ones, 126 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: much bigger ones where Kyle has taken himself off air 127 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: for a few days and had a break. It's not 128 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: that unusual to this kind of thing play out. There's 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: an important timeline at the heart of this legal argument 130 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: two that I wanted to walk you through, which is 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: when ARN issued the breach notice on the third of March. 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: It gave Kyle fourteen days to fix the issue. So 133 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: it said, you have breached your contract with your comments 134 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to Jackie. You have fourteen days to remedy the situation. 135 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: But we didn't know what that meant exactly. We didn't 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: know what that meant. We do know, in Kyle's words, 137 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: that he was directed not to contact Jackie, not to 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: contact anyone at ARN without prior written consent. 139 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: It's like a hard way to remedy a situation, now. 140 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: That's what his lawyers are saying. So Kyle's contract was 141 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: terminated at twelve oh three am on the eighteenth of March. 142 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: That's fourteen days and three minutes after the notice was issued. 143 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: According to court documents. Sandaland's team exactly as you've articulated there. 144 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: Zara is arguing that ARN required him to fix the 145 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: situation terminated Jackie's contract, making it impossible to resolve things. 146 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: And basically the question is how can you be fired 147 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: for failing to fix something that the other part he 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: made unfixable. 149 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: So his team's arguing he had to resolve an issue, 150 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: but he couldn't actually resolve it because of the structures 151 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: they or the legal obstructions in place. 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: And also because Jackie's contract was already terminated, what was 153 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: there to fix? The show was already over as we 154 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: know it. 155 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: And so these are allegations that Carl Sandlands and his 156 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: legal team have put forward. Presumably ARN will fight these 157 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: accusations and provide evidence in this case. Have we heard 158 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: publicly from them since this all went down. 159 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 160 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: ARN disputes all the claims being brought by Kyle Sandalans. 161 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: He claims that the termination breached Australian consumer law. AARN 162 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: has rejected that it intends to defend the proceedings. Kyle, 163 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: when he was in front of the Federal Court on 164 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Friday last week, made some comments about how much he 165 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: really wants to get back to work, that he just 166 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: wants to sort this out and get back to doing 167 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: what he loves. He made some comments about you know, 168 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: I've got bills to pay, I've got mortgages. We need 169 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: to get this sorted. ARN interestingly has pretty much rejected 170 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: that sentiment. Arn's barrister Tom Blackburn, sc told the court, quote, 171 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: we don't accept the central premise that mister Sandaland's goodwill 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and notoriety is dramatically wasting away for every day he's 173 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: not on air. If Kyle is pushing to go back 174 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: to kiss, Blackburn said, the chances were quote vanishingly small. 175 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 2: Okay, we are not mincing words, there are we. 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: So battle lines have been drawn, which is what Kyle's 177 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: legal team said in court. 178 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: So Kyle is asking to be put back on air. 179 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: I guess in a bit of a roundabout way, he's 180 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: saying that he wants to be back at work. Is 181 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: that the only thing that he is pushing for in 182 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: these legal proceedings or I'm going to assume that there 183 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: is a munnet tree, Yeah, something that is being requested. 184 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: Ding it's very much about the money. Basically, Kyle wants 185 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: the termination of his contract declared invalid, that would reinstate 186 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: the one hundred million dollar original contract. So under those 187 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: agreements of the original contract, under those he would be 188 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: owed about eighty million dollars in a payout for the 189 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: duration of the rest of his contract. So if that 190 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: contract is declared to be upheld, then he would be 191 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: owed that money. Plus he is seeking damages as well 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: for the whole saga in the way that it's been 193 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: handled by arn Kyle appeared at the federal court. He 194 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: told reporters he just wants to get back to work. 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: But as we know, there's so much more to it 196 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: than just that. 197 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: I mean, at least in the short term, it doesn't 198 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 3: appear that he's going to be back on air, and 199 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: nor will Jackie Yeap at least what we're going off 200 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: publicly or not on KISSFM, not on KISSFM. So what 201 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: is happening in its place? I remember, was it Smallsey's surgery? 202 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Was Smallzy? 203 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Smallzy was on air? Is that what's happening now? 204 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: Long term? 205 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: So there's been a rotating. 206 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: He get one hundred million dollars, that's my biggest question. 207 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure Smallsey wishes he was getting one hundred million dollars. 208 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: There's actually been a fill in roster of hosts since 209 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: the show was pulled. Last week, Mike E. Michael Ethridge, 210 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: a radio personality from ARN, was doing the breakfast slot 211 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: on KID. Sometimes we see radio networks do that as 212 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: a bit of auditioning to kind of see who might 213 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: do well with the audience in that time slot. But 214 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: there really is no clear long term plan for ARN. 215 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: The impacts are bigger than just the popularity of this show. 216 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: Its share price has fallen to an all time low 217 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: of twenty nine cents. It was about thirty seven cents 218 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: a share the day of the Feb twenty incident, before 219 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: that incident went to air, and since ARN issued those 220 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: ten year contracts to Kyle and Jackie Oh, its share 221 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: price has dipped around sixty four percent. So there is 222 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: a bigger conversation here about radio legacy media, the popularity 223 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: of traditional radio. 224 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: Can I just jump in here? 225 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: Has there been a ratings results that's been handed down 226 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: since they left? 227 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: Yes, we did get a recent survey results. So radio 228 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: ratings are called surveys. We get them. 229 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: You can tell how often I look at radio results 230 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: that I call them radio results. 231 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: We get surveys a few times a year of maybe 232 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: six or eight. 233 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred per cent sure. 234 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: It's not like TV ratings that we get basically every 235 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: day except for over summer. According to the last survey results, 236 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Kyle and jack Eeo maintained their number one spot, their 237 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: long running tenure as the number one breakfast show in Sydney. 238 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: They dipped a little bit, but not to second by 239 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: any means. They have failed to gain traction in Melbourne 240 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: and Brisbane. So a couple of years ago the show 241 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: expanded nationally from just Sydney to Melbourne and Brisbane. That 242 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: was quite a controversial move by ARN. It's yet to 243 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: pay off in terms of the ratings. So now there's 244 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: no show either exactly. But that feeds into the conversation 245 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: we were having about the share price as well and 246 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: the bigger headaches for ARN. 247 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: So there hasn't been a survey since they went off air. No, Okay, 248 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: that will be interesting. Yeah, that'll be coming up soon 249 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: now and that's one of the things that we'll be 250 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: keeping an eye on. Presumably this story is not going away. 251 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: What else should listeners be looking out for. 252 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: I think we should be looking out for how Jackie 253 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: responds to all of this. Apart from an earlier statement 254 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: where she said that she didn't resign, she didn't quit, 255 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: that she was seeking some legal advice, we don't really 256 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: know where she falls in all of this now, So 257 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: TBC on Jackie's next moves. But ARN has also said 258 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: that it's considering whether to make a cross claim against 259 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: Kyle for his prior conduct towards Jackie. Now, in the 260 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: event of that lawsuit, Jackie would be brought in, she 261 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: would have to be involved in some way and would 262 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: have to testify, So there's that to watch out for. 263 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: The key question for the current lawsuit that the court 264 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: will really have to analyze is whether or not there 265 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: was serious misconduct. Did ARN make it possible for Kyle 266 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: to comply with its request to remedy the situation. We 267 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: will find out more in April. Justice Angus Stewart has 268 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: directed parties to file more documents further evidence before the 269 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: matter returns to court, so we'll talk to you in April. 270 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: I guess I think I'm really interested to see what 271 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: evidence Kyle's team puts forward about the fact that ARN 272 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: or he alleges that ARN wanted him to be controversial 273 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 3: and that they rewarded that. I'm interested in that and 274 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 3: how he can prove that if there's anything in writing. 275 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: To that effect, because that will be interesting. 276 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: It's fascinating and in terms of the future of the 277 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: radio industry, we've never had anyone like Kyle and Jackie. Oh, 278 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: love them or hate them. I will be watching closely 279 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: personally and professionally to see how the industry as a 280 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: whole bounces back from this. 281 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you so much. 282 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Thank you Zarrah, and. 283 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us for this episode of The 284 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: Daily os. 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