1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we do discuss issues around steelbirth 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: and also animal cruelty. Coming up on today's show, Emmclair 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: emerges from hiding after cat killing fiasco, Sophie Gwidlin is 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: accused of trying to catch a tax break at Coachella, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley Poke's fun at Calarium controversy, and Ossie comedian 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: sparks outrage for twerking to commemorate Anzas. Hello and welcome 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Tolba and Kate. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I've got to call you out. You promised never to 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: become one of those wives that constantly posted about your wedding, 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: but yesterday I feel like you took things a little 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: too far. You uploaded close to four hundred photos of 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: your wedding to your Facebook feed. Look to put that 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: into perspective, I received one one hundred photos. It was 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: actually very hard to whittle it down to the four 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: hundred that were selected. Don't you think anything goes these 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: days on Facebook? That would have been an absolute social 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: faux pat but now no one's honor. It's just your family. 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: They want to see over four hundred photos of your wedding. Oh, 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I just put it up for the oldies at okay, 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: So I don't reckon that. It probably was a social 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: faux pat though, because you actually got banned from Facebook 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: for tagging so many people. So Facebook was like, what 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: the fuck is going on here? Kate hasn't used Facebook 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: for so long, and now suddenly she's tagging heaps of people. 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: It was only a twenty four hour band, wasn't it. Yeah, 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm bloody trying to use their platform. They should be 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: happy with me, but they banned me for an hour 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: because I tagged too many people. And then I waited 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: for the hour and then started tagging again and I 32 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: got banned for twenty four hours. Now, Sophie, it's very 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: exciting because I think you found your wedding dress. Yeah, 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of reaching that point where I feel like 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: I've taken you guys to too many stores. I think 36 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: everyone's a bit over it, but I am feeling confident 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: about a particular dress. That was though until I showed 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: my bridesmen, because they didn't actually come to have a 39 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: look with us. We thought it was more of a 40 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: girly thing to do. But I showed them some photos 41 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: and videos of a number of my favorite dresses. But 42 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: one of my bride's men said that my dress looked 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: a bit like a banana peal. I love that because 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I could see where he was coming from, because you 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: probably needed to explain that the dresses you were trying 46 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: on do not fit that too long. They're going to 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: be customized more to fit your body. And when he 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: said it, you kind of can't unsee it. Now. Yeah, 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: that's what's bothering me now, because I'm like, all I 50 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: can see is a banana peal. And I do appreciate it, 51 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: because most men would just be like, yeah, that looks fine, 52 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: but they were being really cute and trying to have 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: an opinion and trying to help me out, So I 54 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: do appreciate it. And his favorite was the one that's 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: my second favorite. 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: So now I'm really confused. 57 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: Look, I think that you go with the majority rules 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: and everyone is saying, go for that one. It doesn't 59 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: matter if it looks like. I haven't told you guys 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: this because I can't keep a secret. So I keep 61 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: wanting to show brand and dresses. So I ruled out 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the second favorite dress and I said, de bandah, can 63 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: I please show you? I just want to see if 64 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: you would like this one? And he actually did really 65 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: like it. Well, he likes it more than the banana 66 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: I haven't showed the banana peel one. I haven't showed that, 67 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: but because I know that I'm not going to have 68 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the second one, he's like, oh, that's nice. 69 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: You look beautiful. 70 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: And I said, but I thought that you didn't want 71 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: me to have lots of details and stuff, and he's like, no, 72 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't like glitter. This just proves that Sophie cannot 73 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: keep a secret, Like I doubt that you're going to 74 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: keep your actual chosen wedding dress a secret, because I 75 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: know that's really important, But isn't that so frustrating? Because 76 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: you want to dress that your partner thinks you look 77 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: really nice, And quite often when I go to buy clothes, 78 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I say, what do you think of this? But if 79 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: you do decide to go with that dress, you just 80 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: have to pretend to brand and that you've got another one. 81 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people on the web shared 82 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: Facebook page share pictures of their dresses and they cover 83 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: up their face and they ask everyone which one do 84 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: you like better? And I feel like that's something I 85 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: would really like to do, but I feel too embarrassed pop. 86 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Him in the outspoken group. No, but I wanted to 87 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: be a surprised. 88 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Really, I really think that's moving into dangerous territory because 89 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: everyone's got an opinion, and you'll probably get to the 90 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: point where you are even more confused. 91 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: You've got to go with what you want. 92 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're going to have now that banana peel 93 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: commentary in the back of your head. 94 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: Like, has that spoilt the dress? 95 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: No? 96 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: It has not, amy stop it. 97 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: Of all the things I've said and done, this is 98 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: what goes Ozzie. 99 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Comedian and micro influencer Bianca is Maliowski has caused a 100 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: stir online after posting a video of herself twerking for 101 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: the troops on Anzac Day. Many slammed the stunt for 102 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: being disrespectful. However, Bianca says she's been slut changed by 103 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: the Australian media and public. Now so of who is Bianca? 104 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Because she has not been on my radar. Yeah, I 105 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: hadn't heard of her before either. She is a comedian 106 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: with a micro following of around thirteen point five thousand. 107 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: She has performed at the Melbourne Comedy Festival before and 108 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: is represented by More Talent, who specialize in comedy and 109 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: media talent in Australia. She also has a podcast called 110 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: Sad and Sexy. So On Tuesday, Bianca sparked outrage when 111 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: she posted a video of herself twerking on her Instagram story. 112 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: In the caption, she wrote, spent this morning twerking, but 113 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: then remembered its Anzac Day, So I guess I'm throwing 114 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: it back for the troops lest we forget now. In 115 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: the next story, Bianca addressed the inevitable controversy her so 116 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: called tribune was set to make. 117 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. I know some people are. 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: Gonna be like, that's disrespectful, but is it me shaking 119 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: this beautiful juicy us. 120 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 4: I'm doing it for the troops, Okay, we all honor 121 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 4: in our own way. 122 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: I'm doing what I think they would like if I'm 123 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: honest and basically. 124 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Bet Midler now for the gen Zetters. 125 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: The Bete Midler reference is in relation to a movie 126 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: she appeared in when she was playing a character that 127 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: performed for the troops. Now It was Australian influencer watchdog 128 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: account influencer t Oz who brought this story to the 129 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: mainstream media. I literally feel like every gossip journal now 130 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: is just following these accounts and writes a story about 131 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: every single thing that they post. I mean, that's what 132 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: Amber from Influencer Updates Au were saying in our subscribe 133 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: episode exactly now. The account posted the video and wrote this, 134 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: ain't it comedian or not? Humor has its place? I 135 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: don't think Anne Zac Day is it now. This story 136 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: has been widely reported on. It even made headlines in 137 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: the New York Post. It also appeared in Perth Now, 138 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: news dot Com, The Mirror and The Daily Mail. So, 139 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: as you said, it's crazy to think of how many 140 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: journals are following these gossip pages. I mean the gossip 141 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: page in question only has twelve thousand followers. To think 142 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: that something that they posted has made huge news, Yeah, 143 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: but it is also picked up by every other influencer 144 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: watchdog account. And the other reason it obviously made news 145 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: is because it's in such stark contrast to what is 146 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: acceptable to post on Anzac Day and for any international 147 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: listeners who have tuned into this Anzac Day of course 148 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: commemorates all Australian and New Zealand soldiers who served and 149 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: died in the war, and it's about remembering those who 150 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: made the ultimate sacrifice. So to see posts like this, 151 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: it is incredibly disrespectful and it is worlds away from 152 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: what a lot of influencers chose to post on the day. 153 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: We saw many of them at Dawn services paying tribute 154 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: to the ANZACs. 155 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: What did you guys make of this post? 156 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: When I saw I just thought, Wow, this is really 157 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: disrespectful and what was going through her head to actually 158 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: post something like this. To be honest, I wasn't that 159 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: shocked because I feel like the Internet brings you so 160 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: many stupid people to your feed all the time. I 161 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: was pretty disgusted by it, but again not surprised, as 162 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: I feel like people just do these sorts of things 163 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: for shock value. She is a comedian, and I do 164 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: wonder how this joke would have been interpreted if it 165 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: was perhaps a male making a joke about ANZAC Day. 166 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we see the inspired unemployed, everyone loves everything 167 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: they do. If there was any sort of joke, I 168 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: wonder if they would have copped as much backlash, though 169 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I highly doubt they would joke about Anzac Day. I 170 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: think they've got enough intelligence there not to do it. 171 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: In terms of Bianca's post, though I didn't realize the context, 172 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: I saw it on influencer oz T, so I didn't 173 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: know that it was a bit of a piss take. 174 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: But I still think even if it was meant to 175 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: be a joke, it was in poor tas. That's why 176 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I think so many media publications have picked up on 177 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: this because I think they think, oh, this is just 178 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: another dumb influencer, because the way that she was speaking, 179 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: you don't realize that she's playing into it. 180 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: Perhaps if it was. 181 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: Presented as satire, then maybe like, oh, this is me 182 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: pretending to be an influencer on Anzac Day, but I 183 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: feel like it wasn't. 184 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: I don't. 185 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: I think she's kind of using humor as a defense mechanism. 186 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: You know what the difficulty is as well with micro 187 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: influencers is that her very committed following of people, her 188 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: very niche following, they know her sense of humor. But 189 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: when you take that sense of humour outside and put 190 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: it to the mainstream of people who don't know her. 191 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: Then people don't get it. 192 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: See I don't think that's correct, because I think it's 193 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: one of her followers that have gone and sent it 194 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: to influencer t Oz and they're probably like, oh, yep, 195 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: she's got over ten thousand followers, Okay, yep, let's put 196 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: it up on the page. I think the media response 197 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: is indicative of the way that most of the community 198 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: actually responded to the post, because I saw this popping 199 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: up in a lot of Facebook groups and everyone was 200 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: very offended by it. Now, following the backlash, Bianca shared 201 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: a post saying me and my juicy peach have gone 202 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: viral and I have some thoughts. She continued, saying, thanks 203 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: to the media for the free press and for the 204 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: slut shaming. To be honest, this is very on brand 205 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: for me. She then proceeded to post a series of 206 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: ten slides exploring her thoughts in more detail. She said 207 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: she always thought one day that she would get slut 208 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: shamed by the Australian media and public, but it surprised 209 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: her how little the backlash has affected her on an 210 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: emotional level. She then went on to say that what 211 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: was happening here was a faux outrage about the ANZACs 212 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: and instead it was an attack on a woman who 213 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: was enjoying her sexual freedom. 214 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 215 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: I've seen the headlines, which, by the way, thank you 216 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: to everyone who wrote an article. 217 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: Thank you because you picked such hot. 218 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 3: Photos of me, Like, ah, really appreciate it. You went 219 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: for some really slutty ones to make a point, and 220 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. But my friend sent me one of 221 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: the quotes from the article because I haven't read them. 222 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: And it's some article that I think I was quoted 223 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: maybe a year ago saying this, and I say everyone 224 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 4: should leave their husbands and have a reason, which, by 225 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: the way, thank you for putting that in because all 226 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 4: of this is very unbrand for me, and I really 227 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: appreciate you painting this picture with me. 228 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: But also, like, what is the relevance to this? This 229 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: has nothing to do with what I posted yesterday. This 230 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: is not outrage about the ANZACs. This is all the 231 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 3: systematic attempt to try and demonize me for my sexuality, 232 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: I mean, for being a slat And it's just like, 233 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: it's so obvious and so embarrassing. 234 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: I believe the slutshaming she's referring to is an article 235 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: written by Surprise the Daily Mail. So in the article, 236 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: they quoted her as saying, I've learned marriage isn't for 237 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: me haha, which seems like a very obvious and uninspiring 238 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: thing to learn, But truly it has given me a 239 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: sense of freedom to no longer be living my life 240 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: with this idea that I'm going to grow up and 241 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: become a wife and a mother. It liberated me to 242 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: do whatever the hell I want. I also discovered I 243 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: am bisexual, got into group sex, and learned I can 244 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: actually have vaginal orgasms, So you know, plenty of good 245 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: lessons there, babe to me. 246 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: I do think that. 247 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: They included this line to slut shame Bianca. The quote 248 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: was definitely irrelevant, and they're clearly trying to paint a 249 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: particular picture of her. They're trying to put her in 250 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: an unflattering light to the public. However, I don't think 251 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: that she is well known enough for the media to 252 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: bide their time and wait to create this orchestrated campaign 253 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: against her. She did say that on many occasions during 254 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: this six minute video that she's surprised that this is 255 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: the thing she is coppying heat over, and she's done 256 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: far more controversial things in the past. I do think 257 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: that her style of comedy is controversial. 258 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: She is trying to attract attention. 259 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: But I think what she's saying is that the media 260 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: like to pick on women and slut shame them in general, 261 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: and she's just a casualty of this trend. I do 262 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: think the Daily Mail did try and slut shame her, 263 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: but I also believe that the initial outrage was warranted 264 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: because it was extremely disrespectful. 265 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: And one think her hat and one thing can be wrong. 266 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: At the same time, the people who had an issue 267 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: with it didn't have an issue with her. 268 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: They had an issue with what she wrote. The whole 269 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: thing is it's a perfect public holiday story. The media 270 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: love reporting on dumb and insensitive shit that influencers do, 271 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the comment section on all of the 272 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: pages that posted about her was wired. 273 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: They were probably trolling her. 274 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: The thing is, though, I feel like if she's got 275 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: a trend of putting up controversial videos, then this has 276 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: been a bit of a win for her. She would 277 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: have probably gained more followers, more attention, people are talking 278 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: about her. The thing where I feel uncomfortable is that 279 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: she's a micro create influencer. 280 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: I feel like she was sort. 281 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Of, you know, out there given to the wolves, because 282 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: she probably hasn't built up the resilience to cop this 283 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: sort of attention because she was receiving a lot of 284 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: hate in her DMS. 285 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: It's just very odd to me that. 286 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: This random comedian that no one really knows of is 287 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: now suddenly hot topic. With all these influencer watchdog pages 288 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: popping up, I think it's getting more and more competitive 289 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: to break these sorts of stories that are going to 290 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: cause outrage. Well, there has been also a lot of 291 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: debate raging about whether some Anzac Day gatherings this year 292 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: were verging on disrespectful because there was a woman photograph 293 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: doing a showy at a two up event at Royal 294 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Hotel Paddington and others were criticized on social media for 295 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: wishing people a happy an Zac Day. And that's a 296 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: big no note to veterans because they say that the 297 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: word happy should never be used when discussing Anzac Day 298 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: because obviously it's a very solemn day. It's not a 299 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: day of celebration. Do you guys feel like jen Zetas 300 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: are perhaps losing that connection to Anzac Day because for 301 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: us as millennials, our grandparents fought in the war, we 302 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: have that more personal connection, whereas I think a lot 303 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: of people are just seeing as a day off. Well, 304 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: the thing is in New South Wales and also I 305 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: believe in Victoria they do do all the two up 306 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: stuff and I've been to it a couple of times 307 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of fun, Like there's a lot 308 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: of betting that goes on, and I feel like a 309 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of people would think, well, that's the Aussie spirit, 310 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: so they try and get behind it. So whether it's 311 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: they've done it where people have gone too far, but 312 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: they think that that's what they're meant to be doing. Well. 313 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: Bianca used this as sort of a bit of an 314 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: excuse because she said, what's the difference between me twerking 315 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: on my Instagram and people getting on the Pierce and 316 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: going to a nightclub and dancing on Anzac Day. Look, 317 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm all for people being respectful of the ANZACs on 318 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: the day, but I do think that we may be 319 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: being a little bit too picky about it. I mean, 320 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: they have the Bombers in Collingwood game that everyone loves 321 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: to go to. 322 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: I think that people are. 323 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: Allowed to enjoy their public holiday at the same time, 324 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: as long as you're being respectful. I think that Bianca 325 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: also wrote is a kind of interesting question about how 326 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: we treat female comics as opposed to male comics, because 327 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that there wouldn't have been as much outrage 328 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: if a white male made a joke like this, Because 329 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you think if the jokes that famous comedians 330 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: make in terms of sexual assault and you know, racist jokes, 331 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: there's so much outrage because she. 332 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: Put up a bit of a laugh saying or she's 333 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: throwing it back. 334 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: To be fair, those comedians have been canceled all the 335 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: time at the moment. I think that it's just the 336 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: culture that we're in at the moment, this cancel culture. 337 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: I think anyone male or female, if they put something 338 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: offensive up and it's a slow news day, Yeah, I 339 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: do agree with that sentiment, but I think that sometimes 340 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: males do get more of a free pass in saying that. 341 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: I also think that we don't think that women are funny, 342 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: or there's this general census that women comedians aren't funny. Well, 343 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: her post wasn't funny already, hot mess queen, so we 344 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: are hot messes. Sometimes we would like some hot mess 345 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: queen advice from other hot messes. A week on from 346 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: going viral for admitting to killing two cats as a child, 347 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Emma Clair has returned to Instagram. The influencer went into 348 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: hiding following backlash, but it appears she's not remorseful about 349 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: her actions. 350 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: So can you give us the quick backstory? 351 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: Well, as we discussed last week, Emma Clare was dumped 352 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: by multiple brands after she revealed she killed two cats 353 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: in separate incidents when she was nine years old. She 354 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: laughed as she admitted to her co host Christy Jean 355 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: that she swung her cat around like a stuffed toy 356 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: and accidentally let go of it. The influencer claimed the 357 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: cat died of fright rather. 358 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: Than from an injury. 359 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Emma made the disgusting revelation while sharing personal secrets on 360 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: her own podcast called Simply Chaotic Now. Since those events, 361 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: Emma did go into hiding, but on Wednesday, she popped 362 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: back up and posted a carousel of family photos with 363 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: her and her husband Aaron and their newborn son, Jet Jones. 364 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Now he's only a couple of weeks old. 365 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Now, it's clear Emma has been vetting the comments because 366 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: they are mostly from well wishes checking in on her. 367 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: But Emma did respond to one well wisher saying thank 368 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: you so much, but honestly, it's going to take a 369 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: lot more than a twisted story to make me disappear. 370 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm struggling to see how this story was apparently twisted. Firstly, 371 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,479 Speaker 1: Emma shared the story by choice on her own podcast. 372 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: It's not like she was taken out of context or 373 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: got a bad edit. Her words weren't cut and twisted. Secondly, 374 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: she went on to defend her actions and put out 375 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: this ridiculous statement saying sorry, not sorry, and then released 376 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: an actual apology only once brand started publicly announcing they 377 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: were cutting tires with her. This backtracking it just shows 378 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: that she didn't actually mean the apology, and she only 379 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: put it out there clearly to save face once she 380 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: started losing all of these partnership deals. 381 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing, though, because who goes. 382 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: On to apologize and then come out in the comments 383 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and say, oh, yeah, actually it. 384 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: Was very twisted. No, it wasn't. 385 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I did notice that there were a couple of small 386 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: brands commenting. 387 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: On her posts. 388 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: It's like, do you have any idea about pr or 389 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: what's gone going on? Like if I saw any brand 390 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: commenting that I actually purchase from I would stop purchasing 391 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: from them. Do we think that Emmclair can move past 392 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: this incident at all? 393 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Sadly, I think she will. 394 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: Look at Chloe and Mitch, they've come back into sort 395 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: of mainstream popularity. The issue is people say that someone's canceled, 396 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: but what does that mean, because most of the time 397 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: they just come back out of hiding from a couple 398 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: of months. I think that this is different because it 399 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: relates to animal cruelty, and a lot of brands take 400 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: a very strict stance on that. Particularly, a lot of 401 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: makeup is vegan, you know, it's animal cruelty free. I 402 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: think that not many brands are going to want to 403 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: work with her. The gross thing is her follow account 404 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: has grown. I mean, I suppose a lot of these 405 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: people are probably hate following her. Now they're deciding to 406 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: give her a follow because they want to see if 407 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: she does anything else controversial. But like watching a train wreck, 408 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: some people just follow influencers because they enjoy seeing all 409 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of these controversies and what's going to happen now. It's 410 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: the drama of it all. That's why Sarah's day is 411 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: one of the most followed influences in Australia right now. 412 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if Sky Wheatley can dodge all that these controversies, 413 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: I think Emma Clair is going to be okay. Unfortunately, 414 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: I do agree with you, Amy, I think being canceled 415 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: these days doesn't really mean anything anymore. I think the 416 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: best thing to do to deplatform people that you don't 417 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: agree with is to simply unfollow them, even blocking their 418 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: content so that you don't feel the need to go 419 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: and have a look and create engagement on their page. 420 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to my YouTube channel. So 421 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: I've been a couple of weeks since I have updated 422 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you all, and life has been hectic. Sophie Gwidlin has 423 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: been accused of mocking up a fake brand campaign at 424 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Coachella to allegedly catch a tax break. Before we get 425 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: into it, Amy, can you set the scene for us. 426 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: Who is Sophie at Coachella with? Well, she's been spotted 427 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: parting with none other than her rumored boyfriend Michael Kettle. Now, 428 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: it was only a couple of weeks ago that Sophie 429 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: denied a romance with Michael after the male model shared 430 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: a photo of Sophie with him at Byron Bay Now. 431 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Sophie said at the time that they were just friends 432 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: and he was from Adelaide and that she's known. 433 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: Him for years. It's the second year. 434 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: In a row that Sophie has gone to Coachella. Last 435 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: year she was there with her now ex husband, doctor Andrew, 436 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: and this year she was seen on the shoulders of 437 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: her rumored. 438 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: Boat Michael in the mosh pit. 439 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: People thought it was quite funny because she was also 440 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: there with two of her female employees. However, they did 441 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: leave after Coachella, while Sophie appears to have stayed on 442 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: in LA. Now, she does have an appearance locked in 443 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: on Friday, Saturday and Sunday at any time Fitness in Sydney, 444 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see if she turns up 445 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: and if she turns up with Michael Kettle. Okay, can 446 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: you tell us more about this apparent fake campaign. 447 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm very confused. 448 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: So it all started when Sophie shared a reel of 449 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: her traveling to LA and in the clip you can 450 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: see her on the flight with her passport, very excited 451 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: and over the reel she put campaign shoot Brisbane to 452 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: LA and she captioned the reel cannot wait to show 453 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: you guys now. A few days later, when she was 454 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: at Coachella, she posted a now deleted photo of her 455 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: and her two employees in front of the ferris wheel 456 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: and in the photo, she's wearing an active wear set 457 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: from brand Cleo Harper, and she wrote as a caption, 458 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: Cleo Harper Times Coachella Prism Collection Coming soon. She also 459 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: tagged both the brand and the event in the post. 460 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: But the confusing part is that she didn't actually declare 461 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: whether it was a partnership, So people started speculating, is 462 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: this the campaign shoot that she's apparently going. 463 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: Over to La four? What is this all about? 464 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Is she trying to write this off on her tacks 465 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: and pretend that she's at a shoot when she's not 466 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: well all because she didn't put a paid partnership. No, 467 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: but it's all about the real that she posted beforehand, 468 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: because she's pumping up this shoot that she's going to 469 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: and that she's going to Coachella to do this big 470 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: shoot and then she just posts a picture of an 471 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: active wear brand that she's been working with for a while, 472 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: So people are like, oh, is this it? And people 473 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: started jumping over to Cleo Harper's page and commenting like 474 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: what's the go One person wrote, so nice except when 475 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: trying a co lab with Coachella. How embarrassing? What were 476 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you ladies thinking? So the brand actually responded saying sorry 477 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: for any confusion, Coachella is not a Cleo Harper campaign. 478 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Please see the Prism look book on the website for 479 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: the campaign prepared months ago at the Cleo boutique on 480 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: the beach at the GC. We hope this helps to clarify. 481 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because a couple of days on and 482 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: the brand has actually deleted any commentary around Sophie and 483 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: Coachella that was on their page, and Sophie ended up 484 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: removing the post of her in the active were at Coachella. However, 485 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: the campaign shoot is still up there. However, now she's 486 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: claiming that the shoot was actually for the bod and 487 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: that's why she's over in. 488 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Now That's what I was going to say. 489 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: If she's doing a campaign shoot. A lot of the time, 490 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: these campaign shoots are months in the making. We don't 491 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: actually see the product or what's happening until. 492 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: It's actually released. 493 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: It just sounds like a lot of people have jumped 494 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: to a lot of conclusions here to be honest, I 495 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: do think that she was kind of making it look 496 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: like she had this important shoot at Coachella, and now 497 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: that people have called her out, she's quickly going and 498 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: taking some photos in La for the bod. I mean, 499 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty convenient that suddenly the photos for the body 500 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: being taken in LA. I don't even know if she's 501 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: using this as a tax right now. If this is 502 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: just people's pure speculations, Oh, I totally agree. I think 503 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: that the speculation has gone a little bit overboard. I 504 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: feel like ever since the ATO said that they were 505 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: cracking down on influences and for people to give them 506 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: tip offs, that people now feel like their private investigators 507 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: and have got to get to the bottom of these cases. 508 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes it goes a bit too far, I think, because 509 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: it seems like every action and influencer does right now 510 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: is under the microscope. 511 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if she's done anything wrong in this instance. 512 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: Well, they're really out to get her at the moment. 513 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: And I do understand that there is a lot of 514 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: horrible rumors floating around that we as I said, I'm 515 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: not going to touch on because they are unsubstantiated, but 516 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: I think that is fueling this hate campaign against Sophie 517 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: at the moment, and it's making me feel really uncomfortable, 518 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: particularly some of the accusations because following the backlash, Sophie 519 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: shared a reel of an old video footage of her 520 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: visiting her daughter Pixie's gravesite, and all the trolls were 521 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: commenting saying that, oh, this is Sophie trying to deflect 522 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: the negative attention. The reality was it was three months 523 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: on since her daughter's death. I think people need to 524 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: take a step back and realize this is a real 525 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: person who has real feelings, and I don't think it's 526 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: fair of us to judge how someone grieves a loss. Yeah, 527 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwidlin in particular has copped immense mum shaming for 528 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: probably six or seven years now, and I think it 529 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with what people perceive as 530 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: bounce back culture. Originally, because as soon as she had 531 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: her twins, well, even while she was pregnant with her twins, 532 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: she was exercising a lot and she was staying in shape, 533 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: so people criticized her for putting too much pressure on herself. 534 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: Then when she had the twins, she quickly looked like 535 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: herself again. She bounced back, as people would say, and 536 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: ever since then, I think she's had a lot of 537 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: women who perhaps compare themselves to her. She makes them 538 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: feel shit about themselves, and I think that that's where 539 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: a lot of this hatred is stemming from. And people 540 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: are totally judging her for being at Coachella with a 541 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: new guy three months on from the death of her 542 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: child and also from her divorce. I mean thoughts they've 543 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: only just separated. Really on the issue though, of influences, 544 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: maybe twisting the truth a little bit and going on 545 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: these brand trips and claiming them as a tax eduction. 546 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: Do you think there have been influence as guilty of 547 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: that with Kochina, we were talking about how Mikayla Tester 548 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: got deported from the US and how the US have 549 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: really strict guidelines on these. 550 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: Sorts of trips. 551 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: So I feel like it would be pretty hard to 552 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: rout the system, particularly from a US position. 553 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's more. 554 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: So if you go to your accountant and say, hey, 555 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: this was actually a business trip, than all of his 556 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: Spence's are tax seductible. 557 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: We don't even know that she has wroughted the system. 558 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: Was trying to rout the system. 559 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: But it's just interesting because I think there are so 560 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: many people out there with businesses that would be trying 561 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: to do little tricks to save them on tax money. 562 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Like it's not an unknown thing to It doesn't mean it's. 563 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: Right, but not at all. 564 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: But like the spotlight that's on her this witch hunt 565 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: at the moment, it's like she does anything and she's 566 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, the worst person ever. The thing that makes 567 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: it even more confusing though, is if this is a 568 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: paid influencer trip, if she's been paid to promote this 569 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: brand overseas, then. 570 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: That trip could potentially be. 571 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: Put onto her yearly salary, you know what I mean, 572 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: Like it's even more complicated for her if she has 573 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: been paid to go over there. Hey, okay, so there's 574 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: a bit of confusion around a couple of my last posts. 575 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Just weeks after facing backlash for promoting Calarium sun beds, 576 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has poked fun at the incident. So what's happened? Well, 577 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: Whilst holidaying in NUSA, Sky shared a series of photos 578 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: that left followers scratching their heads. So she shared a 579 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: photo of a large bottle of SPF fifty suncream accompanied 580 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: by a large caption that said hashtag AD and the 581 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: sun cream in question is Hamilton Active Family. And my 582 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: first thought was why is this brand wanting to align 583 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: itself with Sky following the recent controversy around hilarious Yeah. 584 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: I was like that PR manager is going to get fired. 585 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: And then my second thought was. 586 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, like, she hasn't even tagged the brand, 587 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: what's going on here? And also, do you know what 588 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: the biggest giveaway that this was a joke is is 589 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: that the word AD was so big that she never 590 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: uses the Actually they turn hider in everything now. I 591 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: kept flicking through the stories and there was then a 592 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: photo of Sky on her hotel balcony in her bikinis 593 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: holding a drink, and it was accompanied by another large 594 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: hashtag AD, and this time it had writing that said 595 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: because a holiday with children must have alcohol promotion involved 596 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: otherwise rip. She then followed it up with a selfie, 597 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: writing also, my new definition of AD is anything divine. 598 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: She then uploaded. 599 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Another photo of her baby daddy lockie and wrote hashtag AD. 600 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: My boyfriend is for sale if anyone wants him two 601 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: dollars fifty. 602 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: I'm not fussed about that, do you reckon? 603 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: She kept having to add in slides that were apparently 604 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: ads because no one was getting it. Because I think 605 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: so I still don't get it. I feel like it's 606 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: gone to my head. I mean, I don't. I'm assuming 607 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: it's meant to be funny. I think she had a 608 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: few too many cocktails and thought, oh fuck, I'm gonna 609 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: put this one up the sun Cream and cause a 610 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: bit of controversy, and then she kept following it up 611 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: with other ones. It's a bit like the comedian with 612 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: the Anzac date werk, like it just didn't hit the bark. 613 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: No, no, Well, look, she's clearly trying. 614 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: To take the piss here, But do you think that 615 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: it's an appropriate thing to do, considering sun safety is 616 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: such a sensitive topic. Well, particularly after all the shit 617 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: that went down with the colarium stuff. It's quite clear 618 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: she's just making fun of the whole situation and trying 619 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: to aggravate people, and probably it's worked. I mean, she 620 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: continues to get engagement on her posts. I wonder if 621 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Hamilton's Suncream felt really uncomfortable being drawn into this narrative, 622 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: because I mean, she's hardly the sun safety advocate you'd 623 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: be hoping for. She has sort of put herself out 624 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: there because, as you said, like the post was confusing, 625 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who would have been like, 626 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: oh wow, that suncream brand is working with it. I'm 627 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: sure people were thinking I'm never using that suncream again, 628 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: which is so unfair because you know, it looks like 629 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: a good brand. 630 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: Well it. 631 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: It does make you mad when you see someone who 632 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: has been really detrimental to the sun safety message and 633 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: you then assume that they've been paid by a suncret. 634 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 635 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: I was pissed off. Yeah, you're pissed off at the brand. 636 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: You're like, why would you want to work with someone 637 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: like look one positive, I'm glad she is using sun cream. Yeah. 638 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: It's funny how most brand managers would be like, oh 639 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: my god, someone like this huge influence has shared our 640 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: products and we haven't even sent it to them, Like shit, 641 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got time for today. But if 642 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: you do want to listen to more Outspoken, I suggest 643 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: going over to Outspoken Plus. It is our subscription channel 644 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: and we have i think it's six episodes now live 645 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: that you can listen to, so you can find them 646 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: on Patreon and also on Apple Podcasts. 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