1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Ash, you know there should be I reckon a 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: medal for parents. 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I would love the opportunity to compete and win 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: a medal for my dadding efforts. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Well, Paralympian Vanessa Lowe has earned herself a real gold 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: medal after achieving a world record in the long jump 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty four Para Olympics. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Matt, it is an incredible story to drag a toddler 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: all the way to Paris, compete and win a gold medal. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: That's five stars for me, and do it with a 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: smile on your face. Look, Vanessa has faced challenges that 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: would leave most of us breathless for she's here today 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: to share how being a mom has made her stronger 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: than ever. 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Do you think, Matt, that maybe she gives a few 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: tips on how we can turn chasing these children into 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: an Olympic sport. 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: That is genius, Ashu, you're very good. 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: Let's get stuck into it. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Good taggets, welcome back to do noting dads. My name 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: is Smart, what I am Ash. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 4: And my name is Vanessa. Thanks for having me. 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 5: That was very good. 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 5: I was I shouldn't say that's us. How would I know? 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: I was hoping for more of a reaction. I'm gonna 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: be honest, I've been saving that the whole time. 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 5: I thought you were making that up. 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: No I did. I learned a little bit that it 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: not on. 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 4: Like it actually almost like free me up. 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 5: Very thank you. 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good, 34 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: it is the bad, and the relatable. And we never 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: give advice at all. But Vanessa, if you have any 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: advice to give, you're more than welcome to throw it 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: out there for ask for the listeners. But Ash and I, 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: for legal reasons, we have to say that we don't 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: give advice. 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: Look, I'm still winging it, so I'm not sure if 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: I'm really right. 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: We always like to start at the beginning and we 43 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: will down the track in this interview, obviously talk about 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: your recent accomplishments in Paris at the Olympics. But before 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: we do that, I would like to know what a 46 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: young Vanessa was like. Was she as disciplined and well 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: behaved as what she is right now? 48 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: I was a feral teenager. I am already am a 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: bit scared about what's to come when Materio is going 50 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: to be a teenager. Because you always say you know, 51 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 4: now all doesn't fall far from the tree at the moment, 52 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: he's not. But I was wild, and I apologize to 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: my parents because I know no understand how hard it is, 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: and I was pretty wild. I did not listen, and 55 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: my parents did an amazing job. But somehow I find 56 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 4: a way to be really feral. 57 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: Did you get in much trouble when you were younger? 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there was actually still a story that my 59 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: parents only found out recently. Like I was grounded for 60 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: good reasons as well, and I managed to climb out 61 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: the basement window to hitchhike to the next town dance 62 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: underaged worth it? 63 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: How were you? 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: I was sixteen? 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. 66 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny when you're a kid, you don't 67 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: realize how dangerous it is until like now you are. 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: Oh my god, I never do that. Now that's the 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 5: how long we're grounded for? 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: Well, I was grinded for a week, but my parents 71 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 4: didn't find that one out, so I never actually got 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: punished for it. 73 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, do they know now? 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 5: They know? 75 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: No, And it's like, don't tell us anymore? 76 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: Fair enough? 77 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Holy shit, that's I did not expect that. 78 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: Now, I was not I'm rattled. 79 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: So when did you start behaving? When did you get 80 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: that reckless behavior on track? 81 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: I think I just had my wild for years and 82 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: I think I just found spored And it sounds silly 83 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: because sport, I think is part of my teenager By 84 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: the same time, it was almost like a way to 85 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: find myself. And I think we all go through these 86 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: phases where we just reveled. And I think I did 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: that and I was done with it and just moved 88 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: forward with finding my passion. And I think just finding sport, 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: like you had to find that discipline, right, and no 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: one can find that for you, Like if you don't 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: want to do it, like, no one else will do 92 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: for you, no one can force you to it. 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 5: And was it always athletics? 94 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: I was a long distance runner. I was very different too, 95 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: now being a long jump up by growing up I did. 96 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 4: I just stopped to run. And I grew up in 97 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 4: a beautiful little town surrounded by the lakes and woods, 98 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: and I just loved being outside and running and that 99 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: was my thing. 100 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: When you were fifteen, you were involved in an accident 101 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: that would change your life. What were the events that 102 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: led up to that moment? 103 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: I actually don't remember much, and I now got fed 104 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: back some of like what was happening around that time, 105 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: but like a lot was loss of my memory, just 106 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: like from the bad injuries that I had to my 107 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: head as well as I think the body just going 108 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 4: into shock and just like putting everything aside that isn't essential. 109 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: But I was told I was on my way to 110 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 4: meet friends and it was really normal in Europe to 111 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: just catch the local train to you know, meet up 112 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: with the friends and the next town over and the 113 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: next seeing our members waking up in hospital and I 114 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: was told that I was struck by a train and 115 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: I was essentially hit and overrun by a train. So 116 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: just being here today and being able to tell the story, 117 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: like it's incredible. 118 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Who was the person who told you that when you 119 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: woke up in hospital? 120 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: So like there were a couple people on the train 121 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: that told obviously their perspective. There were a couple of 122 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: people that were like on the train platform, but like 123 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: it was stark outside, so like some of the things 124 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 4: lined up, some of the things didn't exactly. Like I 125 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: think we're all the same, Like we don't really pay 126 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 4: attention to anything that's outside our bubble. So no one 127 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: was really paying too close attention to what had happened exactly. 128 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 4: We think I must have been bumped, didn't pay attention, 129 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 4: stumbled on the train platform, and just didn't have the 130 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: time to react. 131 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: And so, my goodness, when you woke up with your 132 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: mum and dad in hospital. 133 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: I eventually was, and I think now being a parent, 134 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: actually my heart sings a little bit because I was 135 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 4: on my own when I was traveling, so I was 136 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: meeting with my friends there, and so my parents just 137 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: had to call up the police because I didn't come home. 138 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: And I was really unlike me because I always like 139 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 4: made sure that my parents knew where I was. And 140 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: when I didn't come home, they called the police and 141 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: they had to tell my parents that they found someone 142 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: that is now in hospital that had an accident, and 143 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: so they actually had to come into the hospital to 144 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 4: identify their daughter. And at that point, I had already 145 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: gone through surgery and I had already done I was 146 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: already in a coma, and so I did not look 147 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: like myself. 148 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: Obviously, and every parent out there right now it's probably like, 149 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: oh my god. 150 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 4: Could you imagine, Yes, I was having to do that call, 151 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: and I think it's just like really only like years 152 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 4: down the road, like dawned on me whole hard that 153 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: must have been for my parents, and like how big 154 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: of a shock that would have been, and it's so 155 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: caught up, Like obviously it was a really difficult situation 156 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 4: for me, but like for my parents, I think they 157 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: did it a lot harder and just trying to deal 158 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: with everything in their own emotions. 159 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: And yeah, you know questioning how long were you know comafore? 160 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 4: I was in a coma for two weeks, but I 161 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: I don't really remember, probably about three month just before 162 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: and just after the accident. So there's actually fair chunk 163 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: of memories just never came back. I was always waiting 164 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: for it, like some of the bits to come back, 165 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: but it just never did. 166 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: And what were the extent of your injuries? 167 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: So at the very beginning, I was told that my 168 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: left leg was amputated on side and my right leg 169 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: was amputated in the first surgery, they had to make 170 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 4: the decision whether or not to save it, but I 171 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: was missing so much blood and was yeah, they had 172 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: to decide to save my life rather than my leg, 173 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: So they amputated the second leg and I had a 174 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: number of head injuries and a couple of injuries to 175 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: my back. For the first five months, I was just 176 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: paying just to let my back heel and make sure 177 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: that I don't have any further injuries to mask. 178 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: Fine, you must be lucky that you survive, though surely 179 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: you know that the severity of an injury like that, 180 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that there's only a short portion of time 181 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: with the amount of blood that you can lose before 182 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: it's too late. 183 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean like to be sitting here today and 184 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: tell a story like it's still like it's a pinched me, 185 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 4: like once in a lifetime moment where you think, like 186 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: everything must have aligned in my favor for me to 187 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: be here, and the people like on site and in 188 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: hospital just did an amazing job and just did their best. 189 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: I'm here. 190 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: Wow, what was your recovery like? 191 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: Because you mentioned you were five months flat on your 192 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: back trying to look you back here and then what 193 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: happens after that? 194 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 4: I was I had a really long journey, and I 195 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: think now that I'm like connected to so many different 196 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: athletes that all went through their own little like journeys. 197 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 4: I realized this whole long mind was in comparison because 198 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: I was out for such a long time, and I 199 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: went through nine surgeries and the whole process. After six 200 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: month in hospital, I was finally able to not go home, 201 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: but to go to rehab. I think even just recently 202 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 4: realized that I wasn't going to rehab to learn how 203 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: to walk. I went to rehab to learn how to 204 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: do life in a weird chair. And I think it 205 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: really didn't dawn on me because I had these goals 206 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: of like I just wanted to go home. I wanted 207 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: to leave in my own bed. I wanted to, you know, 208 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: go out with my friends again, go back to school, 209 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: like the things we hate, you know. 210 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: I was because also you're so young too. 211 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about this now, and as an adult, 212 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: you are a little bit more patient. As an adult, 213 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: you just you just learn those skills. But as a teenager, 214 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: you're not patient's been itching to get home. 215 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: I think, just like when they announced that they had 216 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 4: to do another surgeries, it's like no, like he said 217 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: the last one was last one, like I'm not going 218 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 4: to do this, and it was. Yeah. I was definitely 219 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: losing my patients along the way, especially once I was 220 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: just like wide awake and well aware of the whole process. 221 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: I think it really started to be like, no, I 222 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 4: just want to go home now and I'll figure out 223 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 4: from there. And I was in a YouTube errors had 224 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: already watched all the YouTube videos of people like walking 225 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 4: on prosthetics, just like, oh, this is not a big deal, 226 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: Like I'm going to get my first prosthetic legs and 227 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: I was going to walk back right into the life 228 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: the way that I left it. 229 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when you're in that recovering, you're doing the rehabilitation, 230 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: how much assistance is given from a psychological perspective, Well. 231 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: You're offered like psychological assistance. But I felt like it 232 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 4: was just not for me. I felt I was always 233 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: a person that kind of makes things up with myself 234 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: or with the people that are really close to me. 235 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: So it felt really foreign to me, just like lean 236 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 4: on someone that you know seems to be a professional 237 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 4: what they do, but like someone that don't know so 238 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: like and I was still trying to figure this out myself. 239 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: So I felt like I was just not up for 240 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 4: having those conversations yet. And so I think that was 241 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: something that I explought a lot later in my story, 242 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: probably like ten years somehow on the track and even 243 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 4: still today. I mean it's now approaching almost twenty years ago, 244 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: but I'm still like there's still aspects that I'm still healing, 245 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: and I think still aspects that I still start to 246 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: understand now. And I think it was a good thing 247 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: that I gave myself the time to be ready for 248 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: it and not try to, you know, rush through the 249 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: rehab process and trying to you know, understand it all 250 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: in the beginning. 251 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: And do you remember the point then in your recovery 252 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: phase where you thought I'm going to be an athlete. 253 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: Still I never grew up thinking I was going to 254 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: be at the Olympics. I think a lot of athletes 255 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: that you see competing now there's like, yeah, I've dreamed 256 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: of this since I've been four or five years old, 257 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: And like I was just a kid that loved to run, 258 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 4: and so I think when I lost my legs, like 259 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: there was no question asked I was gonna go back 260 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: running and this was gonna be my thing. And I 261 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: never did that to be the best in the world. 262 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: Like I never wanted to break records or wanted to 263 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: you know, compete on this massive stage. I just wanted 264 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: to run again and do something that felt like me, 265 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 4: and so I guess that's what really drew me into 266 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: the sport. And it wasn't until a lot later that 267 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 4: I was like, maybe I can actually compete and maybe 268 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: I can actually be pretty good at this. 269 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: When when was that moment? 270 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: Do you remember when I first joined one of the 271 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 4: sport clubs that actually had people with different physical disabilities, 272 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 4: that I discovered that you can actually compete in that space, 273 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 4: Like I'd never met another person as that that was 274 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: an emputy before, like coming from a small town, like 275 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: I don't think I knew someone in a weird chair before, 276 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: to be completely honest, So wow, just like being exposed 277 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: to that whole different world of like people with different abilities, 278 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: like doing different sports, like all of a sudden discovered 279 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: there was a different world, and I think I really 280 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: desired to make the most out of that when I 281 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: discovered that my disability actually didn't exist in that system. 282 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: So I was always on my feet and I wanted 283 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: to be back running on my feet, and everyone told me, 284 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: with your disability, you do a weird sport or do 285 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 4: my seated sport, And I was like, well, I didn't 286 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: quite sit right and it didn't feel right, and I 287 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: think the more people told me like this was, you know, 288 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: a wish that was just too big and like unachievable, 289 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: I think the more I wanted to try it, and 290 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: I was probably like still the rebellious teeth. I wanted 291 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: to like just achieve things that people told you like 292 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: I couldn't do. I think that's what really pushed me. 293 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: So you spoke before about when you snuck out a 294 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: home and you hitchhiked. That happened after your accident. 295 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 5: Wait what. 296 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: It did not slow me the lesser? 297 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: How did you? Okay? Yeah, because you did so that 298 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 5: was sixteen years. It was a year on, it was 299 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: a year on. 300 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it did not stole me downe yeah mile afterwards. 301 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were hitch hiking, how many different rides 302 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: did you need before you got to your destination? 303 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 4: Oh? Just the one? Right? It wasn't really far, like 304 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 4: nothing was really that far from where I was. But 305 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 4: it was a positive Sorry, I mean, we had a 306 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: nice person that actually drove ust and it was actually 307 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: a female and it was me and a friend, so 308 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: at least it was the two of us, two young girls. 309 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not sure if that makes. 310 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: It better or worse I'm in shock. 311 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: I know you guys have daughters. Are you ready two? 312 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got two daughters. My version of naughty was 313 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: like stealing a pot of noodles from talk shop. My 314 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: sister was pretty naughty. I was too much of a 315 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: scaredy cat to go hitch hiking. 316 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: No, I couldn't imagine at sixteen. It's just crazy to 317 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: thank you a hitch hiking at sixteen, like in the 318 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: middle of the night. I'm assuming. 319 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. 320 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember then the first competition that you won 321 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: in long. 322 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 4: Job, I was really long time down the road because 323 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: I was actually really not that great at it. Yeah, 324 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 4: I think I'm not because I've won the last three titles. 325 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 4: Like I think a lot of people think I was 326 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 4: so dominant, but like I didn't win until seven years 327 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: of doing that like full time. So I think a 328 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: lot of people didn't realize it actually took me really 329 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: long time to be good at it. 330 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: What clicked then? Did something happen that made you a 331 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: hell of a lot better or was it just it 332 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: took a long time. 333 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 4: I think I've realized now that the best things in 334 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: life come from the greatest adversities we faced, right and 335 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: so I think for me what changed really was going 336 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 4: to my first games in London and I did not meddle, 337 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: and I didn't do amazing, and I think it was 338 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: almost like all the people that told me like, you 339 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: were not gonna be good at this were right, And 340 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: it was this big disappointment, and I actually decided to 341 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: step away from the sport. And I felt like maybe 342 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: it wasn't for me, maybe it was just a hobby, 343 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: and maybe I'd just focus on my job and not 344 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: do these big hours anymore. And then it was a 345 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: friend of mine that I made this spot that was 346 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: competing for Germany, that had married in a Marria so 347 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: she lived in the US, that talk me into coming 348 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: to visit them, and I was like, sure, I go 349 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: for holiday. I just quit sports. So like I have 350 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: all this time on my hand, Now, how. 351 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Much time had you had off from the sport at 352 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: this point? 353 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: Six weeks? Six weeks? And so I arrived in the 354 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: US and basically what was a holiday turned into a 355 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: training camp and. 356 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Wow, did you bring did you bring in equipment with you? 357 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 4: No? 358 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: I did not. 359 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 4: I didn't even bring my jogger. So I was not 360 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: prepared to do any sort of training and we literally 361 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: just did weight training, like I didn't even have my 362 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: running legs with me. And I think it was her 363 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: husband that challenged me in ways that I hadn't felt 364 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 4: since I lost my legs, and someone that for the 365 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: first time didn't treat me like a person that had 366 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 4: a disability, like he saw me for me as a person, 367 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 4: and he wanted to challenge me in ways and wanted 368 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: to find out and push me to see what I 369 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: can do. And I decided in the last night out 370 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: we had a world night out to like finish the 371 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: holidays their training camp, and we made a bet. So 372 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: he said, if you were to move to the US, 373 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: I coult you for gold medal. And I thought, well, 374 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: every good decision is made on a wild night out, 375 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 4: so agreed, right, So I signed the deal and I 376 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: went back to Germany to quit my full time job 377 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: and I sold everything that I owned and I moved 378 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: to Oklahoma City and oh my gosh, lived off my 379 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: savings for the next four years. 380 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 5: How O were you when you did that? 381 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 4: Twenty two? 382 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 5: Okay, so really I'm. 383 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: Still left everything behind leaving off my savings not only 384 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: mentioned my parents, quitting my well paid job to do 385 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: something that wasn't really that great. 386 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: At What were you doing for work at the time. 387 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: I was an editor at a TV channel, so I 388 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: was working big hours doing something that I actually loved doing. 389 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: So I wasn't even like leaving a job that I 390 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: didn't like, but actually leaving something behind that actually was 391 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: really passionate about it. 392 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Did your parents try and talk you out of it? 393 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: They didn't. And I think that's what I really admire 394 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: about my parents is like looking back now, over all 395 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: these years parenting, they never told us not to do 396 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: something like no matter whole stupid, the decisions were that 397 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 4: we made. They always supported us, and we always knew 398 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: that if it didn't work out, we could come home 399 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: and it would help. 400 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Except for hiking thing. Didn't support that one. 401 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 4: Sure, probably never forgive me that one. But they were 402 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: always there for us. They always let us made our 403 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: own decisions. 404 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: Four years in Oklahoma training for the next Olympics, Okay, 405 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: which was what ye would have that pick? 406 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: So that would have been twenty twelve. I moved there 407 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: and then preparing for the Rio twenty. 408 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: Sixteen and was Scott in the picture who's now your husband? 409 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: No? He actually wasn't. I only met him in twenty thirteen, 410 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 4: the year after So I met him at a competition 411 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: in London. Out of all places, So I never would 412 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: have met him if I would have retired from sport. 413 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: A girl all falling into places. Was it love at 414 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: first sight? 415 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: Let me ask him. I think he had an eye 416 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 4: on me since since we started competing, and like I 417 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: think we first met twenty eleven and I knew that 418 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 4: he was there. I mean, it's a small world, like 419 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 4: in competition world, you kind of know who's there, especially 420 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 4: those guys that are in the shop for medals. And 421 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 4: but it wasn't until we had a quick conversation. We 422 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: both want to medal at those at that competition, so 423 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: we're both sitting in a room waiting for a metal ceremony. 424 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: You had the better placement. 425 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: Scott was definitely more successful one. 426 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: You would love that. 427 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 4: No, it was great. We became Facebook friends after, which 428 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: was a big thing back then. 429 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 5: Like I mean, I mean. 430 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: And then, I always think it must be such a 431 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: difficult conversation to have when you're an athlete, when you're 432 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: thinking when will I have kids, knowing what impact it 433 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: has on your career. How was that conversation between you 434 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: and Scott. 435 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: It's so interesting because when we first met, I was 436 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: actually the ones like I don't actually know if I 437 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 4: want kids, So I don't think I was there yet, 438 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: and I don't think I was there to decide, Like 439 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily a baby person, if that makes sense. 440 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 4: Like a lot of females my age were like doting 441 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 4: on little babies, and I was like, I thought they 442 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: were cute, but I was always happy to them back. 443 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the feeling. 444 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 5: Still, and I. 445 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: Think it wasn't until like many years down the road, 446 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 4: when Scott and I were thing and we were already married, 447 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 4: that I was like, actually, maybe I do want this 448 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: and I found the right person. 449 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 5: What year did you get married? 450 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, what are you on a spot? I think? Sorry, 451 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: twenty eighteen you got married. 452 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: So you've been together for five years? 453 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, some Yeah, we became officially think in twenty fourteen, 454 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: and then I moved to Australia on twenty sixteen just 455 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 4: after the Games and we got engaged. 456 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, after then, So do you have to then 457 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: map out competitions and dates to figure out when would 458 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: be the best window to start trying then to fall pregnant, 459 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: knowing how much time you're going to have away from 460 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: the sport. 461 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: We actually mapped up when we got married to when 462 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 4: would fit in between competitions. It's so funny, like that's 463 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 4: all sport works because he's so like always in the 464 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: schedule of sport, but you kind of try to fit 465 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: it in. We didn't really talk about kids up until 466 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: after Tokyo because I think we were both so immersed 467 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 4: and so focused on our is that we didn't really 468 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 4: think that far and we just you know, we're just 469 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: trying to not have kids up until then because like 470 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: Tokyo was a weird period where we all had to 471 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 4: go to quarantine way home after the games, and so 472 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: that was the first time we actually had the conversations 473 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 4: like do you maybe want to try to not have kids? 474 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 4: And well, ten months post quarantine we had a baby, so. 475 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: Didn't go well. 476 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 5: Seems it was more than a conversation. 477 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: When you're talking about pregnancy. How often are you speaking 478 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: to your GP about what impact pregnancy will have on 479 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: your body? 480 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: So funny ass because like, ever since I moved to Australia, 481 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 4: I never had a GP because I was always an athlete. 482 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: So we have a medical system at our training center. 483 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: So I had essentially confirmed my pregnancy going to the 484 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: sport doctor doing a blood test, and so it was 485 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: a really awkward conversation to have because I mean expected 486 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: to be there to perform and at that point being 487 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: there was no policy in place, so I didn't know 488 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 4: how that was going to go down, like, am I 489 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: going to lose my funding? Am I going to lose 490 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 4: access to all these facilities? And putting my doctor and 491 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 4: everyone involved, and so it was really interesting because I 492 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: felt like almost like a big part of me, which 493 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: was me the athlete, was kind of like almost jeopardized 494 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: by me the wish of wanting a family and actually 495 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 4: now starting a family. So it was really interesting to 496 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: start the conversation and my doctor was amazing. He's like, well, 497 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 4: obviously it's like with me and you have to decide 498 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 4: yourself when you want to, you know, share the news. 499 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: But just in that time period being there happened to 500 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 4: be two other athletes that were still currently competing that 501 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: were also pregnant, and so my organization Athletics, decided to 502 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: actually introduce a pregnancy policy. 503 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 5: For the first time ever. Wow that is huge. 504 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so all of a sudden, we actually did have 505 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 4: a safe space to not only share the news but 506 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 4: actually feel supported. 507 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: It seems crazy there wasn't a policy before. 508 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it is because like there's sport like netball 509 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: and basketball. They figured out like years ago that if 510 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 4: they want to send the best team, they have to 511 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 4: find a way to you know, allow moms to return 512 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: back to the sports, otherwise they won't have the best 513 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: athletes there athletics for a long time, they just always 514 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 4: had other people. So I feel like there was almost 515 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 4: like a big turnover of people that either had a 516 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 4: care career or I decided to move on to have 517 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: a family. I think there was very limited amount of 518 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 4: athletes I decided to do both. And I think it 519 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 4: has really changed because I think now the organization realized, 520 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: you know, we're all peaking and twenties, early thirties, So 521 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 4: if you want to send the best athletes, they actually 522 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: have to allow those athletes to stay in their sport 523 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 4: for as long as they can and as long as 524 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 4: they want to. 525 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point, how long do you continue training 526 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: up until? 527 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 4: To be honest, like in my first trimester, like I 528 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 4: felt so unwell, and I think a lot of females do, 529 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: and it's like, oh my god, I'd just rather sit 530 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 4: on the coach and feel sick. And then I realized 531 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: I might as well be running and feel sick because 532 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: like amazing. But like my the first trimester, like feeling 533 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 4: unwell didn't go away, so it wasn't just you know, 534 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: the initial like morning sickness. Like I was sick every 535 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: day of pregnancy until the end. And I actually trained 536 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: all through a pregnancy because it was the one thing 537 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: that actually made me feel better out of all things. 538 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: So I ran until twenty six weeks and then I 539 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 4: was just turn around and too big to fit in 540 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 4: my running vest. That was the end of that. But 541 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 4: I did water running until the day before I gave birth, 542 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: so I actually, what's so you put like a big 543 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 4: belt on, like a floating belt, and then you can 544 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: just run in the water, so essentially you still do 545 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: floating flooding. 546 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: It's it. 547 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, so deep water water running. 548 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: Water running. To check that out, we actually run on 549 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: top of the water quiet and then how did your 550 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: body react to the change of pregnancy. 551 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: It was like a big learning experience for everyone because 552 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 4: I'm missing both of my legs, so most of like 553 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: females get a lot of like liquids in their legs, 554 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 4: so like where was it going to go for me? Yeah, 555 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: like I still had the same amount of swelling, it 556 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: just went everywhere else. So like I was already out 557 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 4: of my normal walking legs after twelve weeks of pregnancy. 558 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: Aud he has so much swelling, so I had to 559 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: get new sockets made, new prosthetics made, and I went 560 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: through the sockets in the pregnancy. So thiepair of prosthetics 561 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: just like to deal with all like the swelling and 562 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 4: a different point of like balance, Like that was really challenging. 563 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: True, And do we warn by it, like by anybody 564 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: leading into like this is what's gonna happen or do 565 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: you just have to adapt? 566 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: No, we didn't really know, because we didn't really know 567 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: anyone that had a really similar circumstance because a lot 568 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 4: of people with my pair and usually are in a 569 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: weird chair, so a lot of people aren't on their 570 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 4: feet like I am. And because I'm so active and 571 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 4: I've always always been running, so I'm just used to 572 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: being like on my feed and doing all these exercises 573 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 4: and running. So the moment I stopped doing that, all 574 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 4: of a sudden, my body starts to change, and like, 575 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 4: losing the core function was almost like the hardest bit 576 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 4: because that's what I need to be, like standing and walking, 577 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: and it was a big learning curve and like I 578 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: had to fall back on using crutches towards the end, 579 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: and then even using my wheelchair the last few weeks 580 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: leading into birth. So it was, yeah, it was quite interesting. 581 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: I can imagine would have been close to the end, 582 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: they would have been really uncomfortable. 583 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 5: I mean, our wives were very uncomfortable. 584 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: I hit the thirty week mark ands like and he 585 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: came a bit early. 586 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: Look to think it was birth smooth sailing though for 587 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: you it actually was. 588 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's just like a screwed memory, 589 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 4: because you know, you don't memorize pain really, But like 590 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 4: I found the pregnancy so much harder than giving birth. 591 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: Like I keep saying I would do birth again, but 592 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 4: like the pregnancy to do that for me, I had 593 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 4: a really good berth and we ended up having an 594 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: epitrol and that was the best decision ever because it 595 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: puts so much calmness into the whole process and we 596 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 4: had a really positive experience. 597 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: I remember someone said to us. They were like, make 598 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: sure you get the eppy early on, because you don't 599 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: want to get to the point where it Yeah, it's 600 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: it's too late, so you like give it to me now. 601 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: I want it now. 602 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: So funny though I'm not sure if you know the process, 603 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 4: but like you're already in labor, right, but you have 604 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: to sit on the bed and get that massive needle 605 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 4: in the back. 606 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they do. 607 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: Like a test to see if the epidrawl is working, 608 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: so you don't feel pain, but you can still move. 609 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: And she told me to like move like flex my 610 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: leg up, and my husband like looking around the corner. 611 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: It's like, that's not gonna That's so funny. 612 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say, will do. 613 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: Well. 614 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: I do recall that big needle and it's traumatizing for me. 615 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 5: I can't imagine how traumatizing it is for Mark. 616 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: When do you start training again? 617 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 4: Then my first water running session, I think too weeks 618 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 4: post birth, two weeks two weeks, and I think that 619 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 4: is right the time where a lot of females would 620 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: start going on walks with their little bups. But I 621 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 4: couldn't do that yet, yeah, because I was still recovering 622 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: and I couldn't fit my legs. So I think I 623 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: saw the recovery process in the water, and I was 624 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 4: really nice and I started running again, I think ten 625 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: weeks hostgiving birth, and it was really just a trot, 626 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: but it was so nice and it was actually so 627 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 4: lovely just to return back to something that was just me. 628 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: Logistically, when you have a newborn, what makes it so 629 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: much harder when you don't have the ability to just 630 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, if baby's crying, just to like quickly go 631 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: and care for them. How much harder are those types 632 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: of areas of parenting. 633 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 4: It was really challenging the early stages because I was 634 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 4: still recovering as well from birth, and like I still 635 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: didn't fit in my normal legs, and like my husband 636 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: is on one leg, so like between the two of us, 637 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: like it sucks, but like the person with one leg 638 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: has to go first, just a little bit quicker putting 639 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 4: one leg on. And I still remember, like our bar 640 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 4: was a colleague baby, so he did not sleep and 641 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: he just scream cried for the first six months of 642 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 4: his life. And so I still remember my husband but naked, 643 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 4: like doing squads because I was the only thing that 644 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: helped him from crying. But I had this big dream 645 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: of like, you know, I recover and after so so 646 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: many weeks, I'll be doing like this big walks with 647 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 4: a pram with the bubba. And he hated the prem altogether, 648 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 4: so he never ever sat in it or late in it. 649 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: So it was just literally having him in the carrier 650 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 4: twenty four seven and walking laps around the kitchen aisle 651 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 4: at two am. So that was. 652 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: Something like the pram is like for me anyway, it 653 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: was like when all else fails, I'm going to put 654 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: baby in the PREM and just that motion would soothe her. 655 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 5: Were the same as you that hated the prem hat, 656 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 5: the pram. 657 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: And the car seat, like I always heard about people 658 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: putting the kid in the car seat and. 659 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 5: Drive a traumatizing It was. 660 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember one of the first competitions when you 661 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: were back after giving birth and you brought my teo along. 662 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was an experience itself because like I mean, 663 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: he was always there for training, right, but he was 664 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: a colleague baby, so he's not really settled and he 665 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 4: could never like lay him down anywhere, So it was 666 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: always just like trying to manage him while training. And 667 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 4: my husband as my coach, so he was managing Mateo 668 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: as well as me. But then we went to our 669 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: first nationals and that would have been like maybe seven 670 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: month post birth, and we had lots of people there 671 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: that could help, that could hold Mateo, but he hated 672 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 4: it because like he could see me and he couldn't 673 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: come to me. 674 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 5: He couldn't get to you. 675 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 4: Know, and like if you know athletics, like it's not 676 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: as you know, just doing one run, like as a 677 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: long JOm competition, you go to cour room, then you 678 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: go like that takes half an hour, then you go 679 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: compete for an hour, so it's like a long process. 680 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: And a Mateo saw me and then realize he's maybe 681 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: hungry and then be like he was just like screening 682 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: murder the entire time because he did not want to 683 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: be held by any of these people. He just wanted 684 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 4: to be with mom. And it was so distracting because 685 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: I was like I could literally hear him at the 686 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: start of the runway like trying to focus on my competition. 687 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: I still remember today like home challenging. It was because 688 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: like as a breastfed baby, like the mom hears to 689 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 4: cry and the milk shoots in lactate yeah, because like 690 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: you hear the baby crying, so the body knows it 691 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 4: one's food. But like at that point, being like I 692 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: already had like try to like put everything up tight 693 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: like it is like tucked away, but like, oh my god, 694 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: it was so uncomfortable. 695 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 5: It was horrible. 696 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: That is so unfair to go through this, and. 697 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 5: Like what did you place in that? Did you remember I. 698 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: Won national really well and I qualified to go to 699 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 4: World Chance. Yeah, it was great. 700 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: Maybe a bit of lactating helps. 701 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe his performance enhancing lactating. 702 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: I have to ask good about that one. 703 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 4: I think there's actually some evidence saying that people like 704 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 4: females returning back to sport after birth are actually having 705 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: a second wind in their career. 706 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: Supermum. 707 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: Serious, do you know when they talk about mom's strength, 708 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: that mom who lifts the about toddler. 709 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Kind of like you look at your stats and you're 710 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: proving that correct. 711 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: It shows how important it is to allow people to 712 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: do that, like not just in sport, but like in 713 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: any career, like you can really use like the things 714 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 4: that shape you as a mom to be better at 715 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: your profession. 716 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: Always kind of interesting with athletes, especially with the Olympics, 717 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: because you like, there's so many different factors that could 718 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: impact you being at your absolute best leading into that competition. 719 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: The Paralympics is just it's the pinnacle, right for yourself. 720 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: How was your lead up into that comp. 721 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 4: Well, this year it went really well, and it was 722 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 4: based on last year going really shit. I think we 723 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 4: did like our first major competition as a mom last year, 724 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 4: going to World Championships, which also happened to be in 725 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 4: Paris or was a really good test around cool and 726 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 4: we got to the other end of competition. This was 727 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: not like this was a horrible experience. 728 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 5: Just talk us through that. 729 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 4: I think it was a like I've never been a 730 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: parent before, right, so I don't know what I'm doing. 731 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 4: So like taking this little tiny human with me on 732 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 4: a big trip over seas to try work in a 733 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: team environment and trying to compete, like you know they 734 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 4: tell you like the day and the time and that's 735 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: when you have to compete. Like the team did their best. 736 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: The hardest bit was because like the because it was 737 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 4: an evening competition, so it's in the middle of where 738 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 4: I'm doing, like the nighttime feed. So like we were 739 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 4: trying to work out can I take my breast pump 740 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 4: into the cour room, like can I do like a 741 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 4: last minute like feed just before. You can't do any 742 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 4: of that, so you have to really trying to It's 743 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 4: just your breastfeeding times, like leading into the competition, and 744 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: it's like some of those things where it's like it was, 745 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 4: it was really difficult and material now is a really 746 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 4: good sleeper, but he always knew when I was competing, 747 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 4: and the night before com was when he was partying, 748 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: like there was no sleep to be had between. It 749 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: was a big learning experience, like to I actually really 750 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 4: lean into trusting what we think is right for us 751 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 4: and not relying on the team to set up an 752 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: environment for you as a family because no one knows 753 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 4: what you need other than yourself. And B is actually 754 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 4: lean into support network and actually this time I had 755 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 4: my mom there and a couple of friends there that 756 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: could help with a little one. So don't try to 757 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: do it yourself because it's it's impossible to do. 758 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you previously competed at other Paralympics. So you've 759 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: done Tokyo, you've done London, you've done Rio as well. 760 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Is it all pretty similar in terms of when you're 761 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: competing you're standing there in the stadium. Is there a 762 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: bit of muscle memory where you're like, oh, this feels 763 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: like the last one or are they all really different? 764 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 4: They're all really unique. And like my first, like my 765 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 4: first big one was in London and that was one 766 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: of those Paralympics. I was still like, it's still in 767 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 4: a history books, like you walk into the stadium filled 768 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 4: with eighty thousand people and it took your breath away. 769 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: And it was my first big competition, so I was 770 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 4: so overwhelmed with like the impressions and the emotions and 771 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 4: being there, and it's still something that sticks to me today. 772 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: Becau still gives me goose bums, to be honest, to 773 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 4: think about it. And then Rio was like the Games 774 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: where I felt like I was on the top of 775 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 4: my games and I had these massive expectations for myself, 776 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 4: so I was really nervous about it and I was 777 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 4: like really focused on the performance and it was almost 778 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 4: like my healing competition from London, and walking away with 779 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 4: the gold and silver was really special. And then Tokyo 780 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 4: was so odd because there was no one in the stadium. 781 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 5: Right, really weird, that's it. 782 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 4: But I had my husband there because he was an 783 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 4: athlete himself, so I got to have my love one 784 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 4: there which was special. And then this time around, having 785 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 4: Matia in scott in the stadium, like that was nuts. 786 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 4: Like it just remember reminded me of the journey that 787 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 4: we had like the last the years of like pregnancy 788 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 4: and coming back to the sport and like winging, parenthood, parenting, 789 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 4: and yeah, that was just very different. And I think 790 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 4: this time around, I felt the pressure up until before 791 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 4: my first jump, and then I stood on the runway 792 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 4: and just all the pressure fell off, Like I felt 793 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 4: like I was just accomplished, like what I wanted to accomplish, 794 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 4: just being there and coming back from pregnancy and returning 795 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: to the sport, and yeah, I fell on top of 796 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 4: my game. 797 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: Your very first jump was a good one. When I 798 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: say good, I'm selling it short because it's a world record. 799 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 5: Wow. 800 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: When you're running down about to take off, at any point, 801 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: are you thinking this one feels like it's going to 802 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: be fucking great? 803 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 4: Oh? You know? You know It's like I felt the takeoff. 804 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 4: It's like, yep, that's it. Like I knew it was 805 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 4: a good jump. And I think it just all came 806 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 4: together because I think the pressure fell off, and I 807 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 4: felt like so in control of what I was doing. 808 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: When I practiced this almost every day, so like I 809 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 4: kind of know what I'm doing, but when you get nervous, 810 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 4: it's really hard. And I think this time run I 811 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 4: felt so I feel like I felt so in control, 812 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 4: and yeah, it was. It was amazing. 813 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: How many times do you have to jump over the 814 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: course of a Paralympic competition? 815 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 4: So you have three jumps and then the top eight 816 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 4: have another thing jumps, but you can win and lose 817 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: in the first jomp essentially, so every jump counts. 818 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: So you could say your world record jump you could 819 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: not jump it, just say that's the leading jump. 820 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 5: You could not jump. The rest of the competition is 821 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 5: still wind. 822 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could just do it once and other 823 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: people could do it, like what six arms or something 824 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: like that. 825 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 4: To John is, I think in the first JOm because 826 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 4: I jumped so big the first round, I think I 827 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: ruined the girls as night. 828 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: And that. 829 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 4: Because I think you start like just trying to taste it, 830 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 4: and like if someone jumps bak, you're trying to counter it. 831 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: You can't help but to compete, right, and all of 832 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 4: a sudden you forget everything that you did in the 833 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: last the years of training, and so it was I 834 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 4: think it was quite hard for the other girls. 835 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: It's such an amazing achievement and I have to say 836 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: well done to be a multiple gold medalist at Paralympics, 837 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: but also to smash your own world record. It's just unbelievable. 838 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 5: But how did the family take the win? 839 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 4: No, there were they were part It was such a 840 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 4: good experience. 841 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: Hang on vinessa were they all punked? Because there's a 842 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: video that you posted on social media which is the 843 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: most relatable clip imaginable of Mateo and his reaction to 844 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: you winning gold. 845 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 4: I was so it was so funny because he loved 846 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 4: the competition, like it was so different too, like the 847 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 4: first national where it's not old enough to appreciate it. 848 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 4: He loves it. He knows like mommy, we'll be like 849 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 4: with him again shortly. But he did amazing until at 850 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 4: the victory ceremony, which was about an hour after the competition, 851 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 4: my Japanese competitor gifted him a little match box car, 852 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 4: very generous, which it was really kind getting there because 853 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 4: she didn't meddle and it wasn't a great night for her. 854 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 4: But then he dropped it and it rolled under the 855 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 4: stands and we couldn't get it. Scott asked one of 856 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 4: the security guys and they couldn't help him. And then 857 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 4: right after the victory ceremony, I just had the gold 858 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 4: medal around my next door and it was on my 859 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 4: hands and knees trying to find his matchbox car. So 860 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 4: for him it didn't matter. 861 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 5: A right your mom mate, Mom, Mom fixes thing. 862 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 4: Mom couldn't fix it. That night he was carried out, 863 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 4: kicking and screaming, devastating. But we got it back, Okay, 864 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 4: we got a bag. A photographer crawled under the stands 865 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 4: the next day and he sent me a photo of 866 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 4: the car and was it was the best? 867 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: Likenyone moved on. 868 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 4: In the top pocket off his shirt every day, so. 869 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: That I suppose that's how he'll remember that moment, Like 870 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: I forgot my car back. 871 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 5: One doesn't matter. 872 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: I got the car back. So now are you thinking, Look, 873 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: I've I've had such an amazing career, I've had so 874 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: much success. Are you like I'm going to hang the 875 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: shoes up? Are you going to still compete? 876 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 4: It's a good question. I think at this present moment, 877 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 4: I don't step away from it just yet. I I 878 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 4: think it's going to be really difficult to say, like 879 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to go for the next games because it's 880 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 4: still four years ago, right, It's a long time. But 881 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 4: I still love this. I still love the spot and 882 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 4: like Matteo is still part of it, and it's like 883 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 4: we all love this journey together. So and I'm still 884 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 4: getting better, like I'm still kiving, it's still improving, and 885 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 4: I think I couldn't forgive myself and stepping away and 886 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 4: never knowing what I'm capable of. So I think I 887 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 4: want to go until like my body had enough or 888 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 4: whether I'm like maybe jumping the six meter that'd be 889 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 4: pretty cool? Oh? 890 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: Is that the goal? 891 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 4: That would be the big goal? 892 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 5: Happy to jump over six meters? 893 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: That's a big The current world record five forty three, 894 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: by forty five, by pretty five, you're good by forty five? Okay? 895 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 5: Well are we watching? 896 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: Are we watching? I don't know if this happens, but 897 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: other people who have been a similar scenario to yourself 898 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: when you're fifteen in that accident, do many of them 899 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: reach out to you and ask for help or guidance 900 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: with their situation. 901 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 4: All the time? And I think that's the beauty that 902 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 4: we have these days. Like with social media, I mean 903 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 4: it has so many down sites, but this is our side, 904 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 4: Like we can see things like so much more easily, 905 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 4: and we can just reach out, right, we can just 906 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 4: send a DM and like we usually get a response 907 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 4: within a couple hours. So like it's so special being 908 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 4: able to do that. And I now have like a 909 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 4: handful of athletes that I talked to like really regularly. 910 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 4: And there's actually a little Dutch athlete that we've like 911 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 4: guided since he was like I think fourteen, and he 912 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 4: ended up winning a gold medal this year at the Games. Wow, 913 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 4: it's so amazing to see like these athletes grow up 914 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 4: and shows how old I am saying to be twelve 915 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 4: years or fourteen years and now like they're and winning 916 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 4: gold medals. 917 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 5: What event did he wined? 918 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 4: A long jump long as well? 919 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:49,959 Speaker 5: Wow. 920 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 4: We always, like both my husband and I, we always 921 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 4: send out messages like young athletes coming through, like if 922 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 4: you want a hand, if we want help, if you 923 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 4: want to have like a conversation about how to set 924 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 4: up a leg to do like fi free, just to 925 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 4: reach out, And he was one of those ones that 926 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 4: actually responded and yeah, let's do this and let's find 927 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 4: a way. 928 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 2: Having that impact on such a young person for them 929 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 2: to go through and win a gold must feel amazing. 930 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 4: I think it was also really good karma because he 931 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 4: came last year I'm to train with us in Australia 932 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 4: and he was on like really crappy technology on his 933 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 4: walking leg and it's like, hold on, I still have 934 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 4: like something like we have like a leg cover it 935 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 4: in our garage. There's also a little different bag parts 936 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 4: in there, but just in case like that we keep 937 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 4: and it was one of my old legs. I was 938 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 4: still really functional and really well usable. So we gifted 939 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 4: him that leg, which is. 940 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 5: Like, wow, that's pause more than an actual human leg. 941 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 5: I reckon if you had to buy one on the 942 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 5: black market. 943 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: There's a lot of money. 944 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 4: I know they're so expensive. But he won the gold 945 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 4: medal and he walked onto the podium with that leg. 946 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 4: It was so special because it was like before I 947 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 4: compete it, so it's like, oh my god, I already 948 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 4: had like one of my legs inspire. So that was 949 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 4: really cool. 950 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: Does that want to make you become a coach, then, 951 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: do you think? Later? 952 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 4: On? 953 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 5: A good question? 954 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think I bring the 955 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 4: amount of patients needs. I think that's all used for 956 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 4: my own son. My husband is great at it, and 957 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to do like some guidance and 958 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 4: some mentoring, but like approaching to inspire. That's it. 959 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,479 Speaker 1: It seems to work. 960 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 4: And therefore or nd the legs? 961 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: Do you notice that does Scott parent in a similar 962 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: way to how he coaches? 963 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 4: He does? He is amazing and like he was a 964 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 4: person that made me want to be a parent because 965 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 4: I know, like he's going to bring all the aspects 966 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 4: that I simply lack, like patients and why he's so 967 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 4: calm with you know, all the big tantrums and the 968 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 4: big emotions, Like he's so good in the way that 969 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 4: he deals without both with me and my toddler, and 970 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 4: like sport, like it's such an interesting environment where the 971 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 4: emotions like all always ride like a roller coaster with you, 972 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 4: like throughout the competition as well as the season, like 973 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 4: going through injuries and all the different hiccups that happened, 974 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 4: and he's always so calm through all of it and 975 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 4: being able to deal with it in a way that 976 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 4: allows me to chase my goals and our little one 977 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, it really switched on a little toddler. 978 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit of a super team action going 979 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 5: on at your house. 980 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: Before we started recording, you mentioned that this week in 981 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: particular is going to be a big one for you 982 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: because Mattaya was heading off somewhere. 983 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,240 Speaker 4: Tea was starting da big mom moment. 984 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: How does that feel? 985 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 4: Look the first day of dropping him off, like we 986 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 4: had a horrible morning, he was just so fairal and 987 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 4: I was so happy just to drop him off and 988 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 4: someone else did. I felt like there was going to 989 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 4: be tears, but not on that day. And that day 990 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 4: I was just really happy just to get a haircut 991 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 4: and have been meantime. But now definitely the motion starting 992 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 4: to set in because he was part of every bit 993 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 4: of this journey, Like he was there almost every training session, 994 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 4: and it was so lovely to have him around, like 995 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 4: a love this little man. 996 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, you go through a lot of days where it's 997 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 2: like I like to home around today, It's like then 998 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 2: somedays I mus drop them off. 999 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: Makes that's most days for me, if I'm being really honest. 1000 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 2: You also did come here with something very special which 1001 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 2: I really really want to see it. I'm actually a 1002 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 2: little bit sweaty. Just for those listening who can't actually 1003 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 2: see what I'm seeing. There is, my goodness, it is 1004 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 2: a golden medal. Oh it's Paris twenty twenty four. 1005 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: It's very heavy, it is. 1006 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 4: I definitely know it's a real deal. Like that's not 1007 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 4: enough gold. 1008 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, oh my god. I've never touched touched 1009 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 2: the gold medal either. Yeah, so congratulations, this is amazing. 1010 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: I am, I am. 1011 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 5: I have goosebumps that I get to sit here in 1012 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 5: front of you and hold this. 1013 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 4: So so when you look at the France or the 1014 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 4: dark bit that's the piece of the Eiffel Tower, you 1015 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 4: got to the piece. You've got to take a piece home, 1016 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 4: which is so cool. 1017 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: That's a nice touch. 1018 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 4: It is a nice you know, in the athletic stadium, 1019 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 4: so you know, they're renovating the Notre Dumb after the 1020 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 4: burn that they have. So while they're renovating at their 1021 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 4: put to the big bell into the athletic stadium. So 1022 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 4: every person that won the competition got to ring the bell. Yeah. 1023 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: People are very clever and like this is part of it. 1024 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 5: So everyone got one. I did see the Eiffel Tower 1025 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 5: the other day. 1026 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: It's on a slightly. 1027 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 4: It's too many. 1028 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 5: It was, but that is unbelievable and thank you so 1029 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 5: much for bringing that in. 1030 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 4: And then on the other side, it's basically, if you 1031 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 4: stand underneath the tower, that's the viewer. That is true, 1032 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 4: that is the view and then you have written in 1033 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 4: braille there is twenty twenty four because you have people 1034 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 4: that are visual in hair cos they can't see. And 1035 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 4: then they have like a tiny little dot on the 1036 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 4: side as well. So the one dot is for the goal. 1037 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 5: That's brolle for gold. 1038 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise you could just hand the bronze and you 1039 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 4: know they would never know. 1040 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 2: No, that's awesome. Thank you so much for ringing that in. 1041 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it if you don't. 1042 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: Mind before you go, Vanessa. We always ask I guests 1043 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: when Matteya was a young man. He's no longer living 1044 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: at home, he's flown the nest. What's the one thing 1045 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: you would like him to remember about the house that 1046 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: he grew up in. 1047 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 4: I hope you remembers that was always like you could 1048 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 4: always show up as your full self, Like I think 1049 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 4: the door is always open, like we always have so 1050 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 4: many random people drop in and everyone is just welcome. 1051 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 4: I think that's what he remembers. I hope that you know, 1052 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 4: just the feeling of walking in, feeling welcome, feeling you 1053 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 4: could like show up as your whole self, don't have 1054 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 4: to hide who you are, but like to show up 1055 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 4: the way that you are. 1056 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: And I'm sure he is also going to add to 1057 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 1: that be so proud of his mom. 1058 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I. 1059 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 4: Really hope that. I mean at the moment, like he's 1060 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 4: probably still too young to understand, but I hope that 1061 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 4: we get past that age where he's embarrassed by and 1062 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 4: then back to the stage before we can show him 1063 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 4: the medals and show them that we were actually cool 1064 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 4: one day. 1065 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 5: Guarantee he's going to be very proud. And I appreciate 1066 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 5: you so much coming in. 1067 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 2: It's a real privileged to sit in front of you 1068 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 2: and have this conversation and hold a gold medal, the. 1069 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: Closest I'll ever get. 1070 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 2: Even though I mean in my mid thirties, I still 1071 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 2: think maybe I could be an athlete. That's just a dream. 1072 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for having you guys. Love your podcast. 1073 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: Shendi Ginninzi learning it is in. 1074 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 5: This bold very good see you later. 1075 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: Enough. 1076 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 2: I can't believe how heavy the medal was and I 1077 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 2: can't believe you stole it from Vanessa. She doesn't need 1078 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 2: to know that I've replaced it with something equally as heavy, 1079 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 2: one of Macy's nappies. 1080 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: Look, if you enjoyed this episode, or any episode from 1081 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: Two Doting Dads, we would absolutely love it. So with Vanessa, 1082 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: she said, make sure you tell everyone to leave a review, 1083 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: and I said, Vanessa, I would love to tell them that. 1084 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 6: In those exact and she also said, make sure you 1085 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 6: join us on socials on Instagram or Facebook. The Facebook 1086 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,280 Speaker 6: group is booming with full of potential athletes. 1087 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: Vanessa did say she would be in tears if you 1088 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: didn't exact words. 1089 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 2: We are not paraphrasing whatsoever. So don't do it for us, 1090 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 2: do it for Vanessa, do it for the country, do 1091 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 2: it for the nation. Goodbye, See Bye. 1092 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: Two Doting Dad's podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country 1093 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community. 1094 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present 1095 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torrestraight on 1096 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 2: the People's Today. 1097 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 5: This episode was recorded on Gadigle Land