1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the Northern 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Territory Police Association President Nathan Finn. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Finny. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to your listeners. 5 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time, mate, Now I do 6 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: can I just ask you a very quick one before 7 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: we get into the issues with surprop. 8 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Depending on what you want to ask a quick one, mate, 9 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: is it like, is. 10 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: It normal for it to take up to six months 11 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: for somebody to. 12 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: Be charged over a car crash incident? 13 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: Potentially can Katie, depending on the workload of the members involved, 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 3: the investigation techniques they undertake, and obviously the results of 15 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 3: any toxicology etcetera involved in the accident, it can take 16 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: up past that year. Okay, there is a statute of 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: complaint in relation to obviously non in ditalm on a fence, 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: so non crimes where they have to be investigated and 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: completed within six months. But in this case it's obviously 20 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: a more serious charge that's been late. But again I 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: think it's up to the members that involved in it, 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: and obviously hopefully everything is well from the people involved 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: in it in the accident, but I believe it's been 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: politically handballed around when some point scores, which is not 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: ideal for anyone involved. 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: No, it really isn't. 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: But look, I want to talk to you this morning 28 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: about about the new system that is obviously or has 29 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: replaced Promise. 30 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: We know that it's been rolled out to our Northern 31 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: Territory police. 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: Replaced Promise, is promised still going as well as still 33 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: going in the background. Yeah, so, but yeah's definitely some 34 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 3: issues and you're speaking to the right person. 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, how's it going from your perspective from what members 36 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: are saying to you, Well, we. 37 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: Took it on notice. Obviously it's a new system. It's 38 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: going to take time to develop, but it's going to 39 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: take time to get used to the new system and 40 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: the process involved in the new system. I can honestly 41 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: confirm to you I actually worked on the program for 42 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: a period of nearly twelve months prior to me being 43 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: moved and as part of a distape process, I was 44 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: moved into Curpro to assist in developing that program and 45 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: trading programs in that sense. And we raise some concerns 46 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: where we were on the program in the development and 47 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: how it was going, and it was clear that there 48 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: was an obligation to roll out the program as soon 49 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: as within the budgeted time frame, regardless of what issues 50 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: were involved. 51 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: In it politically. Yes, yeah, right. 52 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: So I can speak to that open and honestly, I 53 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: was involved in those meetings. I was involved in those discussions. 54 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: We raised serious concerns in relation to the role out 55 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: of it. Again, we were basically ignored and told that 56 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: the program is going to be going out no matter what. 57 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: So to talk me through some of those issues that 58 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: are being experienced at the moment, I mean, I've heard 59 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: that it's clunky and it can be quite sort of slow. 60 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: It's just the increased administration burden placed on our members 61 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: substantially when members are reporting, doubling the administration burd on 62 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: our members having detriment effect on a very under resourced 63 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: police force at the moment. Anyway, it's just compounding the situation. 64 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: It's the system's not so intuitive. It's very hard to 65 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: navigate our members reporting the systems dictating our policies and 66 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: procedures and how we conduct our business for the Northern 67 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: Territory Police Force with policy and procedures require to be 68 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: created around how the system actually works. Yeah, right, So 69 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: it's the horse telling the cart. What's can do. 70 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: I know. 71 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: One of the other things that's certainly been raised is 72 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: the fact that the crime stats, like we've come to 73 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: know that we're going to get these quarterly crime stats 74 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: every three months. It looks as though that's all that 75 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: old stuff has been wiped. 76 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: It hasn't been wiped. The system information, their migration of 77 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: the promised data was transferred over to Surpro, So I'm 78 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: not quite sure what the issue is actually referring to 79 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: the old crime statistics, right, So I was very attuned 80 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: to that when obviously it had come out in the media, 81 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: and obviously I've been asked for comment, etc. In relation 82 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: to that. That information is still available, it still can. 83 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Be referred to, so you can still get it. 84 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: This is something that's still there. It's still available to 85 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: be accessed. The information involved in the new system, though 86 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: we're seeing that a number of incidents being recorded to 87 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: police aren't actually going over to the new surpro system 88 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: and being finalized before it enters that system. We have 89 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: a cad base system where we put our jobs across 90 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: from dispatch and when there's requirement for investigate or follow up, 91 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: those matters are transferred over to Surpro, but some of 92 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: them are actually going over to the new system. 93 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: So what you're saying, what you're saying to me, I 94 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: guess what I'm trying to get to the bottom of 95 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: is that if required that information that those prior crime 96 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: stats are actually able to be obtained. 97 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: They're able to be attained. 98 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: Just might be a bit of a time consuming process. 99 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: Consuming process, but this was something that we had to 100 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: establish with the program to make sure that the crime 101 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: because we've got obligations in relation to what we report 102 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: and how we report these things, not only to the 103 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: territory government, but also to the federal government as well 104 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: in relation to our crime statistics. 105 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Any I reckon, what would be front of mine for 106 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: everybody right now as they're listening is they're probably thinking, oh, look, 107 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how this system is going to 108 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: work for our police. But what I am concerned about 109 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: is if it's going to mean that it's taking up 110 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: their time and if it's going to be distracting the 111 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: police having to do that process rather than actually policing. 112 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: One of the no brainers for us when we're developing 113 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: it was have aito mobility solution so members could actually 114 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: access the system remotely, and that's not currently available, so 115 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: they're actually tied to the police station more than what 116 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: they actually were. 117 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Going to be changed so that they can do hoping. 118 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: So we haven't received any notification. Our members haven't received 119 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: notification regarding a mobility solution for that. We've asked for 120 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: that simply because our members need to be on the 121 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: street and need to be on the street. 122 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: Certainly, let me get this really clear, because some of 123 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: these words, and I know our listeners are probably feeling 124 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: the same. They're thinking, Oh, I think I understand what's 125 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: going on here, but not one hundred percent because you're 126 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: talking about it systems. 127 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Essentially, there's no doubt about that. 128 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm what I believe the kids call a bit of 129 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: a nube where I'm not very good at at that 130 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: stuff at all. But so from what from what I'm hearing, though, 131 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: it had the whole part of the reason why we'd 132 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: move to this system is that you would be able 133 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: to use it in a mobile setting, so you'd actually 134 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: be able to update info and. 135 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: That while out on the road. But that part of. 136 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: The system is not actually working at this point in time, so. 137 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: It's become solution that's correct. 138 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: Are they going to find one. 139 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: I can only hope so, Katie, But I haven't been 140 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: briefed on how that is going on what it is, ik. 141 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: The only thing it is streamlining for us is the 142 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: stress levels for our police and an already under resource 143 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: police force. Yah, it's providing no into trouble. Problem with 144 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: the system at the moment with alerts being actioned on 145 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: alleged defenders and we're getting back to the police station 146 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: they've been arrested for offenses and we come back and 147 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: they've already been dealt with on that prosecution FO because 148 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 3: that alerts haven't been updated, we're actually creating unlawful arrests. 149 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: This is something that's very concerning for the NTPA because 150 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: obviously we represent our members and if they like to 151 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: not make mistakes, they try not to make mistakes every 152 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: day on the road. 153 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: But haang on a sex So there's arrests being made 154 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: that are unlawful at the moment. 155 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: That's correct because of this system. 156 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: Like what kind of arrests what you like? In what 157 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: context do you mean. 158 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: For if there's an alert placed on a person and 159 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: it appears to be already dealt with or inactive, it's 160 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: not there showing as being active and they're taking the 161 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: person back into cassidy for the same manner. 162 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: Do you know how often this has happened. 163 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: I've got information that has happened between six and eight 164 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: times in the last month and a half. 165 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 2: How concerning is this for your members? 166 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 3: It's concerning because our members aren't there to make mistakes, 167 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: there to guide themselves based on the information that they 168 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: can get access to at the time and the information 169 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: that that's available to them when they're making these split 170 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: second decisions. 171 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: All right, it sounds like there is quite a bit 172 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: to still work through when it comes to surpro Is 173 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: there anything else you want to tell me about with 174 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: that system before? 175 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So electronic prosecution briefs. We're all excited about this 176 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: space where we get away from the paper based systems 177 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: that we used to do for prosecution files to go 178 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: to court. We had an electronic prosecution brief submission within 179 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: the system that's created all sorts of dramas for our 180 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: prosecution teams, placed extra stress on our prosecutors, paced extra 181 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: stress on the DPP. We're seeing court cases fall over 182 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: because the information is not being provided in a timely 183 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: manner to defense, and the courts have actually just requested 184 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: to go back to a paper based file system because 185 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: the surpro system is not supporting that. 186 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: So, Finny, do we need to roll it back like 187 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: nt Heals did with Akasha. 188 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: That's something that we're in discussion with Executive and discuss 189 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: that about how we can move forward. But the continual 190 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: issues and we raise this, It's been raised with the 191 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: Commission directly. I know that from courses, it's been raised 192 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: by myself and discussions with the Commission and the Executive. Also, 193 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: we're seeing some pretty serious consequences for our members out 194 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: there making mistakes based on the information or the lack 195 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: of information they're able to get from the system. 196 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: What kind of consequences, Well, they're going to be subject 197 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: to discipline processes, disciplate investigations against their acting within their 198 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: confines of what they know and the system the ability 199 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: of the informations providing we're saying we want. 200 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: We initially sat back and let it all fold out 201 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: and wait with the information. We're nearly three months into 202 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: this KDI now we're still having the same sort of 203 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: issues when we first started. Yeah, it's not a teething 204 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: issue anymore. It's becoming an operational deficiency in relation to 205 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: how we can do our job in the Northern Territory. 206 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: All right, we're going to have to see I guess 207 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: whether we can maybe get the commissioner or get somebody 208 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: on for a chat about this, because it does sound 209 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: like there's some issues that members are concerned with. But Finny, 210 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: something I want to ask you about before I let 211 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: you go this morning. 212 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: Is questions without notice A well, no, well, I'm not. 213 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Sure whether you've seen the front page of the Australian 214 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: newspaper today, Budge Today. The headline is Astra's heart is 215 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: breaking again. Tiny menaces, helpless police and no solution. It's 216 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: eight pm in Alice Springs and a group of children 217 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: are about to steal a car and lead police on 218 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: a dangerous chase. After being caught, they're immediately returned to 219 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: a responsible adult, only to continue. 220 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: To re offend. 221 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: It's a really extensive article written by Liam Mendez. 222 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: It is well worth a read. 223 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it really highlights what I think a lot 224 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: of us have known is going on and continues to 225 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: go on in Alice Springs and everywhere around the Northern Territory. 226 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: At the moment, we've got serious issues when it comes 227 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: to youth crime. I mean in Queensland they are saying 228 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: that they're grappling with a youth crime crisis. I mean, 229 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: if they're at crisis point, I don't know what you'd 230 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: call what's going on in Alice Springs. 231 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: It's horrendous. 232 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: The time for hugging these youths are well gone past. 233 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: Our members are that frustrated within the process of what 234 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: we have to do within the youth justice system. Urgent 235 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: reform needs to be done in relation to that the 236 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: smack of roach that we're not being able to do 237 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: at the moment, there's no consequences for their action. The 238 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: fact is that during the week we've seen people youth 239 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: offenders with electronic monitoring device are still stealing cars. So 240 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: we could track them by the electronic monitoring device to 241 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: know where they are an ability to spike the cars. 242 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: They just do not care. 243 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: That was last week, wasn't it. 244 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: With trient well done to trident and dog operations, all 245 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the police involved in that. That sounded like an unbelievable situation. 246 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: You know, that's week, That's a nightly occurrence for us. 247 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: And the fact is that these youth offenders still knowing 248 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: that there's going to be no consequences for them. Even 249 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: if they face caught twelve months eighteen months down the track, 250 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: there's no consequence for them immediately. They're not dealt with. 251 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: They're not sent to education or rejuvenation or whatever they 252 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: need or the supports they need in their family mechanisms 253 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: straight away. There's all time delays. We need to act 254 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: on it now and actually remove them from the situation 255 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 3: they're in and why they're actually doing it. 256 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that this review that was announced by 257 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government last week when it comes to 258 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: a youth legislation or youth the Youth Justice Act, is 259 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: that going to go far enough or is it going 260 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: to take too long for it to really have an impact? 261 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: Katie, they're actually serious that actually talk to us. They 262 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: haven't spoken to us about this. It just appears that 263 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: it's another political spin in relation to seeking votes for people. Unfortunately, 264 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: the people that are making this legislation, the woke out there, 265 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: the lefties that are making it all about hugging these 266 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: youths when they don't need the hug They just need 267 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 3: support in education to actually do the right thing. 268 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Mat How are police officers in Alice Springs feeling at 269 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: the moment, well. 270 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: Twenty eight stuff under. That's how they're feeling, Katie. They 271 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: are frustrated. They contact me on a daily basis. There's 272 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: currently issues in relation to corrections. Prisoners being placed in 273 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: their watchhouses, extra burden playing placed on them with no 274 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: correction staff at times in the watchhouse to provide that 275 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: support to our watchhouse staff and Alice Springs. We're seed 276 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: up to forty prisoners from the correction because corrections are overfull. 277 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: This is not going to be a problem that's going 278 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: to go away, Cody. This is a problem that Katie 279 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: needs to The government needs to take responsibility for our 280 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: prison numbers are not going to reach no matter what 281 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: legislation they have. The more offenses have been committed, the 282 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: more people are going to be locked up. And we 283 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: will make sure that the Northern Territory Police Force provides 284 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: a safe and secure Northern Territory community. 285 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, I always appreciate your time. There's never any 286 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: shortage of things to talk about. I really appreciate you 287 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: chatting with me this morning. 288 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: There is thank you, Katie, and thank you listeners and 289 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 3: all the boys in blue and women in blue out there, 290 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: make sure you look after yourself and we've got your back. 291 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: No rerat that, thank you.