WEBVTT - What Would You Choose? Truth Serum or Fear Simulator 🧪 😨 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.360 Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.400 This is the Flex and Frooms catch. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:13.520 Up podcast, Gosh, Flexiana and Frumiana. One time I said 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.919 that we should merge our faces together to see what 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.760 would come out first, is like, what would our baby 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:20.119 look like? 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.360 But I'd like to know what would a third. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.880 Filume member frex If we had a third and they 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:34.479 were a complete merge of both of us. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.319 What would they be like? What they look like? 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:42.200 She'd be Bi Rachel raised by a black mum with me, yep, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:43.440 but then you'd be her white mom. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.960 Oh my god, yeah, we could both be moms. I 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.840 would like to see that. I would like to see that. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.640 Almond Armond mum, Yeah, definitely Almon mum qualities Almond mum 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.200 versus in still grandiose sense of self mum. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:58.680 The combination can't be good. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.720 It's definitely giving conflict of interest? 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:03.160 Do you reckon? 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.600 So we could actually become related because you have brothers, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.399 whereas you couldn't become related to me. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:14.080 You have a dad. Do you know what? Do you reckon? 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.000 Like? I would love I would love to have a 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:18.160 baby from Like would. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.880 Your brother the donate sperm? I don't think so? Maybe not? Yeah, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:21.399 fair enough. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.199 It's a good question to pose. You never know, Well, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.479 what's the going rate or is it goodness of the heart. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:27.880 It's good as a heart show. You can't pay for 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:28.360 that stuff. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.440 Oh yeah in Australia, like and surrogacy, you can't pay for. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.319 They said no paydays here. Respectfully, keep your juicy yourself. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.119 That's so strange, okay. And if we had a if 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.800 we had a child together, then what's the incentive? People 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:41.800 just giving? 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.360 Because people want to fucking have more of themselves in 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:44.640 the world. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:45.560 It's pretty whoa. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.120 It's like if I was to say, give my eggs 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.040 like people, I feel like giving eggs aways a little. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.160 I don't know that stat's actually it's not gonna say anything. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.000 What would our daughter's personality be? We can't figure out 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.200 right now, but I think someone can. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.640 Tell us, yeah, please, what is we've already. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.400 Surging out our personalities. But considering the way that we 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.360 view the world, how they think we would like us 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.040 co raising a child, what would they turn out to 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:11.800 be if they were sitting. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.520 In the studio and they were twenty five? Don't make 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.880 me say what I say every time, which is it's 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.120 becoming not a joke. So I bet not. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:20.680 But it. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.120 Was never a joke to begin with. Okay, this is. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:30.760 Us by, this is flex and frooms on moral dilemma. Time, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:36.440 please comprehension, hats on, listening, ears open. I'm gonna give 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.240 you a scenario. You have to pick one, no questions asked. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.320 I hate it, I love it. Would you rather experience 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:50.880 thirty minutes live televised event of you being induced with 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.360 a truth serum and then being asked intimate questions about 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.919 your financial history, your dating history, your secrets. It might 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.200 implicate your friends, it might implicate your loved ones, but 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:07.560 it must be done. Or alternatively, thirty minutes live televised 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.799 experience of you interacting with a fierce simulator. You get 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.240 injected with a thing, you go under, You experience this, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.360 You experience this state that feels real, but it's a 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.720 cycle of fear simulations. I'm talking thousands of tarantulas running 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.000 up against your body. I'm talking the building flooding and 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.320 then the walls closing in. I'm talking centaurs, demons, one 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.800 eyed ogres like chasing you down the street, and then 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.200 the ground opened up, opens up to the fiery pits 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.680 of hell, and then all your loved ones like thro 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.440 say this, say this. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.640 You know what I'm saying? Which was your rather? 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.120 And why I'm going with the fear simulator option two 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.400 because what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And also 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.040 I have experience with this because oh we have Vivia 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.080 dreams okay every now? Yeah, yeah, I have super vivid dreams. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.680 Like if I'm worried about something, it happens in my dream. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.120 I'm often drunk in my dreams. WHOA, I'm running and 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.800 like running through mud and then I'm falling over. I'm 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.680 often like my car run out of breaks. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.039 So I have a lot of my car run out 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.600 of break me and I'm speaking for radio. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.040 Yeah, so fears always occur in my dreams? Or is 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.800 the truth serum? I personally don't like the idea. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.039 Of telling the truth and being honest with the people 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.440 around you. Know. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.760 The thing about it that scares me is I do 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:36.880 implicating others. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.320 I think it's totally no, no, no, you're a liar. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.719 Let me tell you about a real conversation through me, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.440 and I know you're not allowed to. You don't have 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.800 the truth serum. So I was telling thru me? 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.680 Does she ever think that when she tells stories that 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.920 implicates her friends and her families that they because they're 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:59.200 not consenting. Does she think about how maybe she finds 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.880 it funny, then they would find it quite horring, to 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.920 which she said, no, they're fine, they're fine with that. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.960 I only just circle back six months later and say, 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.000 you know what, Actually, now I've really thought about it, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.040 that is kind of cooked. No. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.920 No, no, to be fair, I've never really, I don't 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.400 think I've ever really done stories that are super implicating, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.880 like with people that would be uncomfortable with it, I have, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:18.440 you know. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.000 Which brings us to the classic froom situation of tell 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.640 incriminating story about loved one and then say to Brookie, actually, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.760 let's just cut that. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:29.160 No, I don't do that. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.920 I don't really do that that you are all the 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:31.840 words in my mouth. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.839 That you know. Why am I getting workplace? 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.000 No? 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.599 No I am No. I'm going to HR and they're 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.160 going to say, deal with this. Cis because you start 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.800 a contract. I just had a contract to be roasted. Literally. Nah. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.040 Honestly, though, I reckon the fear simulator. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.400 What would you do? It's not about me. You're listening 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.599 to flex and rooms on Kaita. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.560 We are girlies who like the material things in life. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.919 I would I put myself down in that category. I 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.600 am a frugal for me, but there are times when 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.800 I want to splurge, specifically on McDonald so I think 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:08.480 quite a bit. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.359 I'll be splurging on macas it's a bit of. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.279 An unnecessary purchase. Our producer Bookie is also pointing to herself. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.160 She is also part of that community. I subscribe to you, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.040 so you know me. I love newsletters. I write a 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:20.599 newsletter and I love to subscribe to them. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:21.400 One one that I. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.000 Described to is Burnt Toast by Virginia soul Smith. She 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.400 is an American author. She writes a lot about bodies 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.080 and politics. I'm pretty sure, Yeah, pretty sure. She's from America, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.440 so she has a very interesting lens from that country. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.719 And she wrote this one the other day. The title 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.080 was a capsule wardrobes just for thin people, and it 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.920 was a really really interesting take because obviously we hear 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.880 a lot about capsual wardrobes. I think it's a really 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.919 great idea for saving time. However, in real life do 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.240 they work? She pointed to this brand. I won't mention 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:59.039 it in America, and I don't know it's not really relevant. Oh, like, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:00.000 I had never heard of it? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.600 Can we hear it? It's called Athleta. Have you heard 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:04.880 of it? 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.520 She talked about how she had an email from them 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.160 and it was about like the travel capsule, which is 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.280 nine pieces, twenty different ways, and it's really cool. It's 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:16.960 got like this gift that's moving and it shows all 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.840 the different pieces together and in theory, it's fantastic. However, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.200 she was saying, like, can capsule wardrobes actually work for 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:25.800 fat bodies? 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.520 Or is this diet culture for your closet? 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.280 And the idea was that if you if you spend 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:35.120 a whole bag on a capsule wardrobe, what about if 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.240 your body changes, Like bodies change over time, they change 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.800 over the year, what actually happens when you have all 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.320 of these clothes you've bought all at once for one size. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:44.720 I never thought about it that way. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.560 And it turns out that like capsual wardrobes originated in 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.480 the light late nineteen thirties with Vogue magazine, and it 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.360 divines the capsule as a small curator collection of items 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.080 that don't go about of fashion, And even that concept 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.920 is contentious, like, yes, genes will go out of fashion. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.440 But like very small teaks will make them go in 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.080 and out of fashion. She also goes on to cite 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.920 this TikTok that said that capsual wardrobes are a scam 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:13.720 perpetuated by big minimalism and capitalism, and like you see 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.400 that with that ad. So I personally have never engaged 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.440 in a capsual wardrobe. I've gone through periods where I've 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.400 literally just worn the same thing, or like on school 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.840 casual clothes day, just wear my uniform because I was 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.240 too I didn't want to like wear It's too much 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.040 pressure for one outfit of the day. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.320 Okay, everyone's judging each other. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.160 I'm gonna pretend like I didn't spend ten days worrying 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.240 about it and just go with the school uniform. So 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.160 the idea of a capsual wardrobe, I think it's really 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:42.720 nice in theory, but I do wonder if it actually works. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.680 Like I imagine buying the whole bunch of stuff and 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.679 then actually just wanting to buy more stuff because I've 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.000 gone off in a whim and like I want something 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.040 new to make me feel. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.280 Happy or x y Z. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.600 And I had never actually thought about the idea that 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.360 you know when you buy a capsual wardrobe. Let's say 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.199 you like, drop a bag, like you drop two thousand 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.839 dollars and you get a jacket and this and that. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.679 In fact, it would be more than that, wouldn't it. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.640 Yeah, but I think this article is a bit misleading 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.440 to begin with what you said. The headline was the 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.000 captal wardrobe is just for thin people, and then she 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.360 goes on to say, what if your weight changes? So 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.800 she's saying, are capsual wardrobes people who can manage their weight, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:18.960 not for thin people? 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.120 Well, it goes on. Do you know what I'm saying? 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.280 Though, I don't like that headline at all because that's 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.920 not what it's like. It's leading you in a direction 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.199 that makes it think that a capsual wardrobe is inherently 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.080 a capitalist thing. And it started it didn't start it 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.800 as a marketing tactic. It started out as an encouraging 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:35.800 people to actually just wear the. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.479 Clothes you have. Did that absolutely. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.120 The content of a capsual wardrobe is this idea that 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.160 if you are if you own basics, like if you 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.120 own the fundamentals of a wardrobe, a good pair of pants, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.440 a good pair of jeans, a white shirt, a white 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.040 T shirt, a blazer, and a one casual dress, one 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.439 evening dress. You have everything you need in your wardrobe 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.480 to wear your clothes, and you can style them differently, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.200 you can play it up and then maybe you know, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.800 each year you add something new in, so maybe you 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.480 swap out the summer dress or you swap out the 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:08.080 casual dress. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.080 But it's actually encouraging you to just wear what you have. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.760 And then of course big capitalism says, hey, well, if 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.200 you don't know where to start, we'll just make everything 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.720 that you might need to build your own capsual wardrobe. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.920 Nobody's implying that you go and buy sixteen pieces at 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.520 once and have a capsule wardrobe. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.280 But the ethics or the ethos. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.280 Around it is, if you have the fundamentals, then you 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.800 don't need to get any more. But I think the 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.440 way people approach shopping and consumption anyway, it's never ending. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.400 So you might go into it being like, I'm just 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.760 gonna get the capsual wardrobe and never buy it again. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.400 And then next season you're gonna get the capsual wardrobe 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.520 and never buy it again, and then get the capsual 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.360 wardrobe and never buy it again, and then it's a 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:54.040 like a perpetual cycle. I really hate that headline, I. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.559 Really really do. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.080 I think her idea like, as I go longer down, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.360 the article shocks how capsual wardrobe as I said, like 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.560 Voge magazine in nineteen thirties kind of introduced it. But 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:10.240 then there is a woman called Susy Foe who popularized it. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:10.920 Have you heard of her? 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.800 No, she popularized it in the nineteen seventies with this book. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.280 And this author has like found some excerpts from the 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.840 book and she kind of talks about how like never 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.840 give up on yourself just because you have large hips 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.760 or a big bust in garments never seem to for 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 you properly, Da da da da. Essentially, it's about how 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.040 to like the capsual wardrobe was an antidote to try 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.600 and help you like camouflage parts and distract viewers from 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:37.079 playing up our most beauty standard aligned features, Whereas, like 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.760 this author Virginia soul Smith says that lack diets, these 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.120 tricks don't work and people can still see that you're fat, 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.960 and they undermine our relationship with clothes in more subtler ways, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.439 like yeah, being like you can't wear this because it's 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:48.400 not flattering for XYZ. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.800 Yeah, like you're gonna wear it. Don't wear back your clothes. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.360 You need to sense your waist, you know, don't wear 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.520 patterns that'll make you look bigger. Yeah, And I think 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.760 this is a stretch referencing an outdated ten and being like, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.120 is the modern way we've interpreted it wrong. It's like 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.160 it's cherry picking in a way that is really projecting 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:08.160 a specific narrative. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:09.520 Do you know what I mean? 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.719 It's like, just say you don't like the contument of 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.960 capsual wardrobe, not perpetuating the whole idea of having wardrobe 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:23.720 basics is inherently a size this approach to wearing clothes. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:22.400 You know what I mean? 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.480 Like if I'm thinking I don't subscribe to like a 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:32.720 quintessential capsual wardrobe, but like half my outfit I've had 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:38.560 since twenty seventeen, I've not stayed the same way, And 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.560 now what do you know what I mean? Like, it's 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.520 I think it's a very odd take to equate wardrobe 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.920 basics to thinness. If we're having a conversation about how 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.280 the most of the popular stories that are offering capsual 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.120 wardrobe are doing it for straight sizes and aren't offering it, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.920 aren't offering capsual wardrobes in extended sizes. Yeah, it's a 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.240 different conversation, but I don't think that's what she's saying. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:02.800 I think that might be what she's saying. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.080 Actually, she did mention, just to wrap it up, that 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.600 there could be a different way to redefine capsual wardrobe 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.560 that fits for more people. And she found it from 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.839 Darcy Gilepsy of Mindful Closet, And this is what they say. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.400 Let's agree that a perfect capsual wardrobe should not be 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.840 a thing you can have thirty three, because I think 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.520 they mean that in the sense that you were saying. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.520 That's a very straight size, typical way that's marketed to us. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.120 You can have thirty three or thirty seven or fifty 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.719 four items in it. You can wear the clothes in 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.600 your capsule for a week or three months, or until 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.440 the weather changes, or just until you're tired of that 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.199 particular set of stuff. You can include shoes and accessories 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.520 or not. You can have one capsule or multiple ones 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.120 for different activities in your life. A capsule wardrobe is 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 simply a small collection of clothing you actually wear that 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:44.960 makes it easier for you to get dressed. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:46.120 You make it work for. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.320 You, So I guess yeah, you can have Like everyone 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.160 has their favorite jumper that they have that they've worn 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.000 for ten years, So I guess yeah. Thinking about capsual 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.120 wardrobe in a way that isn't like go out and buy, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.120 Like there's heaps of companies that pop up that are like, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:58.960 we've got this perfect capsual wardrobe. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:13:59.920 You buy like the blazer in the. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.120 Which is fine, but I think that's like I think 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.280 the take is very redundant because it's like there are 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.520 heaps of stores that say back to school, and I 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.440 don't go to UNI, so like am I rushing to 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.520 go buy clothes just in case? Or there's a bunch 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.760 of stores that say, like we have office basics, do 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.640 I now say because we work in an office, I'm 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.520 going to run out and buy these clothes. I think 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.160 that people use them as a framework, and the type 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.400 of person drawn to a capsual wardrobe is a type 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.840 of person drawn to a capture wardrobe. Like you said, 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.800 you didn't know much about it because it's like the 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.280 marketing isn't reaching you because it's not relevant, and of 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.160 the people that it's relevant too, they're gonna go out 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:34.720 and buy it. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.000 I just don't like, yeah, it. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.840 Feels like a weird Do you know what this is 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:43.520 the equivalent of the fuzzy wrecking bullshit. It's the same 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:51.040 type of stuff. It's the correlation causation like scare tactic headline. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:52.160 Interesting. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.040 Yeah, I think the question that she was asking was 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.360 can capture wardrobe work for fat bodies? Or is this 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.040 diet culture feed closet? And yeah, you reckon, that's not yeah, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.600 because it's gotten nothing to do with fatness. Now, it's 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:08.160 about access, sure, but the idea that people have wardrobe fundamentals. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.240 Everybody has wardrobe fundamentals. The fattest person, the thinnest person 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.520 currently is existing. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.480 In their capsual wardrobe. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.840 Very I think of the people who consume, like of 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.880 the population, very few of us have a consumption issue. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.320 We're constantly updating the wardrobe, constantly buying in and buying 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.480 and buying. It's not every single person, but the way 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.120 that this writer has framed it, it's making it fee 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.720 because there's a pandemic happening where like everybody's freaking out 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.200 about like I need a capture wardrobe and it's like 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:38.560 get out of your bubble bay. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.400 Very interesting, Well, there you have it. I do love 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.000 her news that I learn a lot from it. So 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.840 God's speed with the text. OKT flex and froomes. You're 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.720 listening to flex and frooms. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.680 What the frick? 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:53.000 Now? 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.440 We don't talk about burning men much, not because we're 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.520 not the demographic, but because it just it happens once 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.800 a year. It's annually come, it goes. But realistically it's 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.400 an event focused on This is according to their Wikipedia, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.520 by the way, this event focused on community, art, self expression, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.480 and self reliance. It's a dolf, It's a bushdoof be 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:16.920 serious in the middle of the desert for yuppies and 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.000 people who it's like yuppies Paris, Hilton, Silicon Valley tech bros. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:26.120 They go there, they spend a week living in this 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.200 barter only city. There's no money exchange for anything. If 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.520 you want to get alcohol and you didn't bring any, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.320 you have to barter with someone in exchange for sunscreen. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.080 You bring everything you need. You've got to be really, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.920 really self reliant. And it's trying to approach a different, 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.360 more progressive way connecting with each other where we're not 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.840 separated by class or anything. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.320 Where here as equals to. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.320 I don't want to say cosplay or role play, but 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:58.080 to perform a different way of approaching community. Burning Man 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.880 is really fascinating because they do a lot in trying 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.320 to ensure that the principles they have about being better 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.160 are from like the the very start of the event 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.320 of how to even secure ticket. It's like a ballot 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.120 thing versus the very end of your actual experience there. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.359 So when you go to back Burning Man, it's on 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.520 a gridded system, so it kind of feels like a 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.040 U shape gridded system and you can like you are 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.159 essentially like parked on this system in your you know, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.120 two by two square section and that is your location 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.480 and that's your responsibility. So at the end of Burning Man, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.520 you have to ensure that you cleaned up that area 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.439 and that you have left the land as it was 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.360 when you got it. Now, Burning Man didn't happen over 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:46.600 COVID for obvious reasons. But when in twenty twenty two 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.359 when they came back, they said it was the worst 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.640 year for Burning Man to date. People who attended had 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:52.479 that same sentiment. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:53.200 But Burning Man. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.160 Themselves came up with a post festival press release and said, look, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.720 the trash was out was out of control. The lack 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.159 of respect for the land was next level, and you 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.280 could say it's a bunch of things. We've said similar 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.160 things about a gig culture, like it's different now people 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.800 don't really feel like they know what they're doing, as 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.400 though like they haven't really. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.320 Been trained or raised without it marinated. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.800 Like the gig etiquete isn't there anymore, the content etiquette 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:18.600 isn't there anymore. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.240 So I was looking at this press release that. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.240 They released and I was like, damn, this is really 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:28.160 what accountability, accountability looks like in practice. So post festival 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.840 they released a thing called a moop map MP map, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.840 and this map is a it's almost like a physical 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.919 map to show the amount of moop, which is an 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.159 acronym for matter out of place, an acronym for anything 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.560 that is not originally on the land when they got there. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:50.960 So we're talking tent. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:56.000 Poles, beer bottles, trash waste or whatever. Now burning men 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.240 have an agreement with the city to leave zero point 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.640 zero zero two percent moop on the land, which means 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.879 virtually nothing everything. You have to take everything that you 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.479