Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch.
Speaker 3: Up podcast, Gosh, Flexiana and Frumiana. One time I said
Speaker 3: that we should merge our faces together to see what
Speaker 3: would come out first, is like, what would our baby
Speaker 3: look like?
Speaker 2: But I'd like to know what would a third.
Speaker 3: Filume member frex If we had a third and they
Speaker 3: were a complete merge of both of us.
Speaker 2: What would they be like? What they look like?
Speaker 3: She'd be Bi Rachel raised by a black mum with me, yep,
Speaker 3: but then you'd be her white mom.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, we could both be moms. I
Speaker 2: would like to see that. I would like to see that.
Speaker 1: Almond Armond mum, Yeah, definitely Almon mum qualities Almond mum
Speaker 1: versus in still grandiose sense of self mum.
Speaker 2: The combination can't be good.
Speaker 1: It's definitely giving conflict of interest?
Speaker 2: Do you reckon?
Speaker 1: So we could actually become related because you have brothers,
Speaker 1: whereas you couldn't become related to me.
Speaker 2: You have a dad. Do you know what? Do you reckon?
Speaker 1: Like? I would love I would love to have a
Speaker 1: baby from Like would.
Speaker 2: Your brother the donate sperm? I don't think so? Maybe not? Yeah,
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 3: It's a good question to pose. You never know, Well,
Speaker 3: what's the going rate or is it goodness of the heart.
Speaker 2: It's good as a heart show. You can't pay for
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah in Australia, like and surrogacy, you can't pay for.
Speaker 2: They said no paydays here. Respectfully, keep your juicy yourself.
Speaker 2: That's so strange, okay. And if we had a if
Speaker 2: we had a child together, then what's the incentive? People
Speaker 2: just giving?
Speaker 1: Because people want to fucking have more of themselves in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: It's pretty whoa.
Speaker 1: It's like if I was to say, give my eggs
Speaker 1: like people, I feel like giving eggs aways a little.
Speaker 1: I don't know that stat's actually it's not gonna say anything.
Speaker 2: What would our daughter's personality be? We can't figure out
Speaker 2: right now, but I think someone can.
Speaker 1: Tell us, yeah, please, what is we've already.
Speaker 3: Surging out our personalities. But considering the way that we
Speaker 3: view the world, how they think we would like us
Speaker 3: co raising a child, what would they turn out to
Speaker 3: be if they were sitting.
Speaker 2: In the studio and they were twenty five? Don't make
Speaker 2: me say what I say every time, which is it's
Speaker 2: becoming not a joke. So I bet not.
Speaker 1: But it.
Speaker 2: Was never a joke to begin with. Okay, this is.
Speaker 3: Us by, this is flex and frooms on moral dilemma. Time,
Speaker 3: please comprehension, hats on, listening, ears open. I'm gonna give
Speaker 3: you a scenario. You have to pick one, no questions asked.
Speaker 3: I hate it, I love it. Would you rather experience
Speaker 3: thirty minutes live televised event of you being induced with
Speaker 3: a truth serum and then being asked intimate questions about
Speaker 3: your financial history, your dating history, your secrets. It might
Speaker 3: implicate your friends, it might implicate your loved ones, but
Speaker 3: it must be done. Or alternatively, thirty minutes live televised
Speaker 3: experience of you interacting with a fierce simulator. You get
Speaker 3: injected with a thing, you go under, You experience this,
Speaker 3: You experience this state that feels real, but it's a
Speaker 3: cycle of fear simulations. I'm talking thousands of tarantulas running
Speaker 3: up against your body. I'm talking the building flooding and
Speaker 3: then the walls closing in. I'm talking centaurs, demons, one
Speaker 3: eyed ogres like chasing you down the street, and then
Speaker 3: the ground opened up, opens up to the fiery pits
Speaker 3: of hell, and then all your loved ones like thro
Speaker 3: say this, say this.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Which was your rather?
Speaker 1: And why I'm going with the fear simulator option two
Speaker 1: because what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And also
Speaker 1: I have experience with this because oh we have Vivia
Speaker 1: dreams okay every now? Yeah, yeah, I have super vivid dreams.
Speaker 1: Like if I'm worried about something, it happens in my dream.
Speaker 1: I'm often drunk in my dreams. WHOA, I'm running and
Speaker 1: like running through mud and then I'm falling over. I'm
Speaker 1: often like my car run out of breaks.
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of my car run out
Speaker 2: of break me and I'm speaking for radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fears always occur in my dreams? Or is
Speaker 1: the truth serum? I personally don't like the idea.
Speaker 3: Of telling the truth and being honest with the people
Speaker 3: around you. Know.
Speaker 1: The thing about it that scares me is I do
Speaker 1: implicating others.
Speaker 2: I think it's totally no, no, no, you're a liar.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about a real conversation through me,
Speaker 2: and I know you're not allowed to. You don't have
Speaker 2: the truth serum. So I was telling thru me?
Speaker 3: Does she ever think that when she tells stories that
Speaker 3: implicates her friends and her families that they because they're
Speaker 3: not consenting. Does she think about how maybe she finds
Speaker 3: it funny, then they would find it quite horring, to
Speaker 3: which she said, no, they're fine, they're fine with that.
Speaker 3: I only just circle back six months later and say,
Speaker 3: you know what, Actually, now I've really thought about it,
Speaker 3: that is kind of cooked. No.
Speaker 1: No, no, to be fair, I've never really, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever really done stories that are super implicating,
Speaker 1: like with people that would be uncomfortable with it, I have,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Which brings us to the classic froom situation of tell
Speaker 3: incriminating story about loved one and then say to Brookie, actually,
Speaker 3: let's just cut that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't really do that that you are all the
Speaker 1: words in my mouth.
Speaker 2: That you know. Why am I getting workplace?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No I am No. I'm going to HR and they're
Speaker 2: going to say, deal with this. Cis because you start
Speaker 2: a contract. I just had a contract to be roasted. Literally. Nah.
Speaker 1: Honestly, though, I reckon the fear simulator.
Speaker 2: What would you do? It's not about me. You're listening
Speaker 2: to flex and rooms on Kaita.
Speaker 1: We are girlies who like the material things in life.
Speaker 1: I would I put myself down in that category. I
Speaker 1: am a frugal for me, but there are times when
Speaker 1: I want to splurge, specifically on McDonald so I think
Speaker 1: quite a bit.
Speaker 2: I'll be splurging on macas it's a bit of.
Speaker 1: An unnecessary purchase. Our producer Bookie is also pointing to herself.
Speaker 1: She is also part of that community. I subscribe to you,
Speaker 1: so you know me. I love newsletters. I write a
Speaker 1: newsletter and I love to subscribe to them.
Speaker 2: One one that I.
Speaker 1: Described to is Burnt Toast by Virginia soul Smith. She
Speaker 1: is an American author. She writes a lot about bodies
Speaker 1: and politics. I'm pretty sure, Yeah, pretty sure. She's from America,
Speaker 1: so she has a very interesting lens from that country.
Speaker 1: And she wrote this one the other day. The title
Speaker 1: was a capsule wardrobes just for thin people, and it
Speaker 1: was a really really interesting take because obviously we hear
Speaker 1: a lot about capsual wardrobes. I think it's a really
Speaker 1: great idea for saving time. However, in real life do
Speaker 1: they work? She pointed to this brand. I won't mention
Speaker 1: it in America, and I don't know it's not really relevant. Oh, like,
Speaker 1: I had never heard of it?
Speaker 2: Can we hear it? It's called Athleta. Have you heard
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 1: She talked about how she had an email from them
Speaker 1: and it was about like the travel capsule, which is
Speaker 1: nine pieces, twenty different ways, and it's really cool. It's
Speaker 1: got like this gift that's moving and it shows all
Speaker 1: the different pieces together and in theory, it's fantastic. However,
Speaker 1: she was saying, like, can capsule wardrobes actually work for
Speaker 1: fat bodies?
Speaker 2: Or is this diet culture for your closet?
Speaker 1: And the idea was that if you if you spend
Speaker 1: a whole bag on a capsule wardrobe, what about if
Speaker 1: your body changes, Like bodies change over time, they change
Speaker 1: over the year, what actually happens when you have all
Speaker 1: of these clothes you've bought all at once for one size.
Speaker 2: I never thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that like capsual wardrobes originated in
Speaker 1: the light late nineteen thirties with Vogue magazine, and it
Speaker 1: divines the capsule as a small curator collection of items
Speaker 1: that don't go about of fashion, And even that concept
Speaker 1: is contentious, like, yes, genes will go out of fashion.
Speaker 1: But like very small teaks will make them go in
Speaker 1: and out of fashion. She also goes on to cite
Speaker 1: this TikTok that said that capsual wardrobes are a scam
Speaker 1: perpetuated by big minimalism and capitalism, and like you see
Speaker 1: that with that ad. So I personally have never engaged
Speaker 1: in a capsual wardrobe. I've gone through periods where I've
Speaker 1: literally just worn the same thing, or like on school
Speaker 1: casual clothes day, just wear my uniform because I was
Speaker 1: too I didn't want to like wear It's too much
Speaker 1: pressure for one outfit of the day.
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's judging each other.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend like I didn't spend ten days worrying
Speaker 1: about it and just go with the school uniform. So
Speaker 1: the idea of a capsual wardrobe, I think it's really
Speaker 1: nice in theory, but I do wonder if it actually works.
Speaker 1: Like I imagine buying the whole bunch of stuff and
Speaker 1: then actually just wanting to buy more stuff because I've
Speaker 1: gone off in a whim and like I want something
Speaker 1: new to make me feel.
Speaker 2: Happy or x y Z.
Speaker 1: And I had never actually thought about the idea that
Speaker 1: you know when you buy a capsual wardrobe. Let's say
Speaker 1: you like, drop a bag, like you drop two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and you get a jacket and this and that.
Speaker 2: In fact, it would be more than that, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think this article is a bit misleading
Speaker 3: to begin with what you said. The headline was the
Speaker 3: captal wardrobe is just for thin people, and then she
Speaker 3: goes on to say, what if your weight changes? So
Speaker 3: she's saying, are capsual wardrobes people who can manage their weight,
Speaker 3: not for thin people?
Speaker 2: Well, it goes on. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Though, I don't like that headline at all because that's
Speaker 3: not what it's like. It's leading you in a direction
Speaker 3: that makes it think that a capsual wardrobe is inherently
Speaker 3: a capitalist thing. And it started it didn't start it
Speaker 3: as a marketing tactic. It started out as an encouraging
Speaker 3: people to actually just wear the.
Speaker 2: Clothes you have. Did that absolutely.
Speaker 3: The content of a capsual wardrobe is this idea that
Speaker 3: if you are if you own basics, like if you
Speaker 3: own the fundamentals of a wardrobe, a good pair of pants,
Speaker 3: a good pair of jeans, a white shirt, a white
Speaker 3: T shirt, a blazer, and a one casual dress, one
Speaker 3: evening dress. You have everything you need in your wardrobe
Speaker 3: to wear your clothes, and you can style them differently,
Speaker 3: you can play it up and then maybe you know,
Speaker 3: each year you add something new in, so maybe you
Speaker 3: swap out the summer dress or you swap out the
Speaker 3: casual dress.
Speaker 2: But it's actually encouraging you to just wear what you have.
Speaker 3: And then of course big capitalism says, hey, well, if
Speaker 3: you don't know where to start, we'll just make everything
Speaker 3: that you might need to build your own capsual wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Nobody's implying that you go and buy sixteen pieces at
Speaker 3: once and have a capsule wardrobe.
Speaker 2: But the ethics or the ethos.
Speaker 3: Around it is, if you have the fundamentals, then you
Speaker 3: don't need to get any more. But I think the
Speaker 3: way people approach shopping and consumption anyway, it's never ending.
Speaker 3: So you might go into it being like, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna get the capsual wardrobe and never buy it again.
Speaker 3: And then next season you're gonna get the capsual wardrobe
Speaker 3: and never buy it again, and then get the capsual
Speaker 3: wardrobe and never buy it again, and then it's a
Speaker 3: like a perpetual cycle. I really hate that headline, I.
Speaker 2: Really really do.
Speaker 1: I think her idea like, as I go longer down,
Speaker 1: the article shocks how capsual wardrobe as I said, like
Speaker 1: Voge magazine in nineteen thirties kind of introduced it. But
Speaker 1: then there is a woman called Susy Foe who popularized it.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of her?
Speaker 1: No, she popularized it in the nineteen seventies with this book.
Speaker 1: And this author has like found some excerpts from the
Speaker 1: book and she kind of talks about how like never
Speaker 1: give up on yourself just because you have large hips
Speaker 1: or a big bust in garments never seem to for
Speaker 1: you properly, Da da da da. Essentially, it's about how
Speaker 1: to like the capsual wardrobe was an antidote to try
Speaker 1: and help you like camouflage parts and distract viewers from
Speaker 1: playing up our most beauty standard aligned features, Whereas, like
Speaker 1: this author Virginia soul Smith says that lack diets, these
Speaker 1: tricks don't work and people can still see that you're fat,
Speaker 1: and they undermine our relationship with clothes in more subtler ways,
Speaker 1: like yeah, being like you can't wear this because it's
Speaker 1: not flattering for XYZ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're gonna wear it. Don't wear back your clothes.
Speaker 3: You need to sense your waist, you know, don't wear
Speaker 3: patterns that'll make you look bigger. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 3: this is a stretch referencing an outdated ten and being like,
Speaker 3: is the modern way we've interpreted it wrong. It's like
Speaker 3: it's cherry picking in a way that is really projecting
Speaker 3: a specific narrative.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's like, just say you don't like the contument of
Speaker 3: capsual wardrobe, not perpetuating the whole idea of having wardrobe
Speaker 3: basics is inherently a size this approach to wearing clothes.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like if I'm thinking I don't subscribe to like a
Speaker 3: quintessential capsual wardrobe, but like half my outfit I've had
Speaker 3: since twenty seventeen, I've not stayed the same way, And
Speaker 3: now what do you know what I mean? Like, it's
Speaker 3: I think it's a very odd take to equate wardrobe
Speaker 3: basics to thinness. If we're having a conversation about how
Speaker 3: the most of the popular stories that are offering capsual
Speaker 3: wardrobe are doing it for straight sizes and aren't offering it,
Speaker 3: aren't offering capsual wardrobes in extended sizes. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: different conversation, but I don't think that's what she's saying.
Speaker 2: I think that might be what she's saying.
Speaker 1: Actually, she did mention, just to wrap it up, that
Speaker 1: there could be a different way to redefine capsual wardrobe
Speaker 1: that fits for more people. And she found it from
Speaker 1: Darcy Gilepsy of Mindful Closet, And this is what they say.
Speaker 1: Let's agree that a perfect capsual wardrobe should not be
Speaker 1: a thing you can have thirty three, because I think
Speaker 1: they mean that in the sense that you were saying.
Speaker 1: That's a very straight size, typical way that's marketed to us.
Speaker 1: You can have thirty three or thirty seven or fifty
Speaker 1: four items in it. You can wear the clothes in
Speaker 1: your capsule for a week or three months, or until
Speaker 1: the weather changes, or just until you're tired of that
Speaker 1: particular set of stuff. You can include shoes and accessories
Speaker 1: or not. You can have one capsule or multiple ones
Speaker 1: for different activities in your life. A capsule wardrobe is
Speaker 1: simply a small collection of clothing you actually wear that
Speaker 1: makes it easier for you to get dressed.
Speaker 2: You make it work for.
Speaker 1: You, So I guess yeah, you can have Like everyone
Speaker 1: has their favorite jumper that they have that they've worn
Speaker 1: for ten years, So I guess yeah. Thinking about capsual
Speaker 1: wardrobe in a way that isn't like go out and buy,
Speaker 1: Like there's heaps of companies that pop up that are like,
Speaker 1: we've got this perfect capsual wardrobe.
Speaker 2: You buy like the blazer in the.
Speaker 3: Which is fine, but I think that's like I think
Speaker 3: the take is very redundant because it's like there are
Speaker 3: heaps of stores that say back to school, and I
Speaker 3: don't go to UNI, so like am I rushing to
Speaker 3: go buy clothes just in case? Or there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of stores that say, like we have office basics, do
Speaker 3: I now say because we work in an office, I'm
Speaker 3: going to run out and buy these clothes. I think
Speaker 3: that people use them as a framework, and the type
Speaker 3: of person drawn to a capsual wardrobe is a type
Speaker 3: of person drawn to a capture wardrobe. Like you said,
Speaker 3: you didn't know much about it because it's like the
Speaker 3: marketing isn't reaching you because it's not relevant, and of
Speaker 3: the people that it's relevant too, they're gonna go out
Speaker 3: and buy it.
Speaker 2: I just don't like, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Feels like a weird Do you know what this is
Speaker 3: the equivalent of the fuzzy wrecking bullshit. It's the same
Speaker 3: type of stuff. It's the correlation causation like scare tactic headline.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the question that she was asking was
Speaker 1: can capture wardrobe work for fat bodies? Or is this
Speaker 1: diet culture feed closet? And yeah, you reckon, that's not yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's gotten nothing to do with fatness. Now, it's
Speaker 1: about access, sure, but the idea that people have wardrobe fundamentals.
Speaker 1: Everybody has wardrobe fundamentals. The fattest person, the thinnest person
Speaker 1: currently is existing.
Speaker 2: In their capsual wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Very I think of the people who consume, like of
Speaker 3: the population, very few of us have a consumption issue.
Speaker 3: We're constantly updating the wardrobe, constantly buying in and buying
Speaker 3: and buying. It's not every single person, but the way
Speaker 3: that this writer has framed it, it's making it fee
Speaker 3: because there's a pandemic happening where like everybody's freaking out
Speaker 3: about like I need a capture wardrobe and it's like
Speaker 3: get out of your bubble bay.
Speaker 2: Very interesting, Well, there you have it. I do love
Speaker 2: her news that I learn a lot from it. So
Speaker 2: God's speed with the text. OKT flex and froomes. You're
Speaker 2: listening to flex and frooms.
Speaker 1: What the frick?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: We don't talk about burning men much, not because we're
Speaker 3: not the demographic, but because it just it happens once
Speaker 3: a year. It's annually come, it goes. But realistically it's
Speaker 3: an event focused on This is according to their Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: by the way, this event focused on community, art, self expression,
Speaker 3: and self reliance. It's a dolf, It's a bushdoof be
Speaker 3: serious in the middle of the desert for yuppies and
Speaker 3: people who it's like yuppies Paris, Hilton, Silicon Valley tech bros.
Speaker 3: They go there, they spend a week living in this
Speaker 3: barter only city. There's no money exchange for anything. If
Speaker 3: you want to get alcohol and you didn't bring any,
Speaker 3: you have to barter with someone in exchange for sunscreen.
Speaker 3: You bring everything you need. You've got to be really,
Speaker 3: really self reliant. And it's trying to approach a different,
Speaker 3: more progressive way connecting with each other where we're not
Speaker 3: separated by class or anything.
Speaker 2: Where here as equals to.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say cosplay or role play, but
Speaker 3: to perform a different way of approaching community. Burning Man
Speaker 3: is really fascinating because they do a lot in trying
Speaker 3: to ensure that the principles they have about being better
Speaker 3: are from like the the very start of the event
Speaker 3: of how to even secure ticket. It's like a ballot
Speaker 3: thing versus the very end of your actual experience there.
Speaker 3: So when you go to back Burning Man, it's on
Speaker 3: a gridded system, so it kind of feels like a
Speaker 3: U shape gridded system and you can like you are
Speaker 3: essentially like parked on this system in your you know,
Speaker 3: two by two square section and that is your location
Speaker 3: and that's your responsibility. So at the end of Burning Man,
Speaker 3: you have to ensure that you cleaned up that area
Speaker 3: and that you have left the land as it was
Speaker 3: when you got it. Now, Burning Man didn't happen over
Speaker 3: COVID for obvious reasons. But when in twenty twenty two
Speaker 3: when they came back, they said it was the worst
Speaker 3: year for Burning Man to date. People who attended had
Speaker 3: that same sentiment.
Speaker 2: But Burning Man.
Speaker 3: Themselves came up with a post festival press release and said, look,
Speaker 3: the trash was out was out of control. The lack
Speaker 3: of respect for the land was next level, and you
Speaker 3: could say it's a bunch of things. We've said similar
Speaker 3: things about a gig culture, like it's different now people
Speaker 3: don't really feel like they know what they're doing, as
Speaker 3: though like they haven't really.
Speaker 2: Been trained or raised without it marinated.
Speaker 3: Like the gig etiquete isn't there anymore, the content etiquette
Speaker 3: isn't there anymore.
Speaker 2: So I was looking at this press release that.
Speaker 3: They released and I was like, damn, this is really
Speaker 3: what accountability, accountability looks like in practice. So post festival
Speaker 3: they released a thing called a moop map MP map,
Speaker 3: and this map is a it's almost like a physical
Speaker 3: map to show the amount of moop, which is an
Speaker 3: acronym for matter out of place, an acronym for anything
Speaker 3: that is not originally on the land when they got there.
Speaker 2: So we're talking tent.
Speaker 3: Poles, beer bottles, trash waste or whatever. Now burning men
Speaker 3: have an agreement with the city to leave zero point
Speaker 3: zero zero two percent moop on the land, which means
Speaker 3: virtually nothing everything. You have to take everything that you
Speaker 3: came with, right, And so this year they pretty much
Speaker 3: name and shamed and released the map and put bright
Speaker 3: red splotches on everywhere where the moop was more than
Speaker 3: what was agreed to, and kind of name and shame people,
Speaker 3: you know, like obviously your physical name wasn't there, but
Speaker 3: where the moop was located.
Speaker 2: If we do a reverse engineer, we're gonna know that
Speaker 2: you were there.
Speaker 3: And I said, I love this, I really really really
Speaker 3: do Berning Man are like, we can't maintain the principle
Speaker 3: of this alone. If you're gonna be here, this is
Speaker 3: what it looks like to really be living in your truth.
Speaker 3: So just to clarify, so the agreement they have with
Speaker 3: Black Rock City, which is the place where the festival is,
Speaker 3: it is called the leave no Trace principle. It's all
Speaker 3: about the communal effort required to undo the impact on
Speaker 3: the land every year. And so they said after that,
Speaker 3: they said that twenty twenty two is one of the
Speaker 3: messiest years in history. So it's regressed just in that
Speaker 3: one year. What do you reckon about them releasing this
Speaker 3: kind of moot map? Should I show you what it
Speaker 3: looks like so you get a better idea, please, maybe
Speaker 3: that'll help. If you want to see what this looks like,
Speaker 3: you just google moot map. It'll change your life. So
Speaker 3: the green is everywhere that they did their bit. The
Speaker 3: yellow not gray, the red is bad.
Speaker 1: And are they like individual people's campsites.
Speaker 2: Yes, So you get allocated.
Speaker 3: Let's say each row is called one rose called Alaska,
Speaker 3: one rose called Bermuda, one road's called Calgary, and then
Speaker 3: you get assigned a section your Alaska A Alaska row, B,
Speaker 3: Alaska row c you know, and then people kind of
Speaker 3: refer to themselves as where they're staying, so you can
Speaker 3: make connections and meet interesting So you might not know
Speaker 3: exactly who is in the red, but realistically they you'll
Speaker 3: like you'll know if you were the person in the red.
Speaker 3: So it's it's not naming and shaming. But it reminds
Speaker 3: me of I used to have this rant about social
Speaker 3: media maybe two or so years ago, and I was like,
Speaker 3: anonymity might be the worst parts of the social media,
Speaker 3: of the social media experience, not because I feel like
Speaker 3: everyone should have to put all their business online, but
Speaker 3: I do think because you're not accountable, like your literal
Speaker 3: face and likeness isn't attached to what you're saying, you
Speaker 3: do fly under the radar. And because the Internet is
Speaker 3: an inherently unsafe place. I think that if there was more.
Speaker 3: If there was less anonymity, it would have to be
Speaker 3: safer because people are like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 3: be I don't want my name attached to this. I
Speaker 3: don't want people to know who I am. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't want them to know that. I said that.
Speaker 3: It's like exactly so. But I think it's a it's
Speaker 3: a dramatic approach to it. I don't think we should
Speaker 3: force people into being public in order to participate in
Speaker 3: the Internet. It's just the way that it's evolved, and
Speaker 3: I think now it's evolving in a way where it's
Speaker 3: not a safe place for a lot of people. Measures
Speaker 3: have to be taken. It's like, you know, when you
Speaker 3: jump on a dating app, you should be verified. Why
Speaker 3: are we all here giving out details, putting your place
Speaker 3: of work, putting people, putting the real subbur they live
Speaker 3: in on hinge.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, this is crazy, Like you don't you ever
Speaker 2: live in safety? Yeah, moot mack. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you're the person that's leaving the trash,
Speaker 1: unless like unless you know, like I think, if you're
Speaker 1: leaving the trash, you're not going to care about getting
Speaker 1: shamed because you're doing it anyway, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like everybody, if you go to Burning Man,
Speaker 1: I assume you're across the idea that you shouldn't leave
Speaker 1: stuff at the festival. So if you're if you're getting shamed,
Speaker 1: I doubt you'd actually a feel that much shame because
Speaker 1: you did it anyway.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: I think that's where it gets a bit confusing though,
Speaker 3: because let's say, if we talk about a splendor or something,
Speaker 3: it's implied that, like you shouldn't leave your tent poles
Speaker 3: around your beer bottles all that stuff, like you should
Speaker 3: put it in the bin, right, And so I think
Speaker 3: people get a little bit flippant.
Speaker 2: They think, oh, someone's gonna come and clean it or whatever.
Speaker 3: But if you're if your location was put on blast, right,
Speaker 3: or if every time we left the studio there was
Speaker 3: an and bulleton that was like okay, hey the studio
Speaker 3: is really messy, and we know flex and rooms were
Speaker 3: in there, it was like you would be mindful.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, oh damn, Like it really.
Speaker 3: Does matter outside of this individual experience I thought I
Speaker 3: was having it.
Speaker 2: There really is so much more that needs to be done.
Speaker 3: I really like it. I think it's it's it's what
Speaker 3: cancel culture thought.
Speaker 1: It was giving interesting accountability that actually has some sort.
Speaker 3: Of practical accountability. You know, they could have easily been like,
Speaker 3: here's the list of all the offenders, and they're full
Speaker 3: their first names and last names. But they burning men
Speaker 3: stuck by, they're walking, they're talking.
Speaker 2: What is it? They're walking the talk, walking the talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever that is where they're saying, we're not gonna
Speaker 3: name a sham. It's a community action, like we burning
Speaker 3: men are taking responsibility for this. We're not individualizing it.
Speaker 3: We all need to do better. But in order for
Speaker 3: us all to do better, we all need to do
Speaker 3: it together, not us cleaning up after you or you know,
Speaker 3: one camp site going above and beyond and the other
Speaker 3: doing a terrible job. Because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: when we look at the amount of moop that's left,
Speaker 3: we can't have more than zero point zero zero two percent,
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, So it doesn't matter if
Speaker 3: I left a little and you left a lot, we
Speaker 3: can't have any.
Speaker 1: It's probably also good like if you're in one of
Speaker 1: the red campsites who fucked up, seeing that other people
Speaker 1: did as well, it doesn't make you feel like you're
Speaker 1: just the worst person in the world. But it also
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, because I feel like
Speaker 1: if people are shamed in that way, then they think, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, Like they get defensive and they say, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it, like I didn't know that
Speaker 1: the map, Like I didn't know that moop was a thing,
Speaker 1: even though like it's pretty obvious that it was. So Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is an interesting technique for creating better behavior.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 3: I want to see how other festivals and things will
Speaker 3: implement this, because you've seen the waste after any gig,
Speaker 3: any festival, any whatever, it's mayhem, it's disgusting. And the
Speaker 3: only time I see people proactively cleaning up after themselves
Speaker 3: is when there's incentives, you know, returning your cups for is
Speaker 3: it a dollar at certain festivals or a credit? Yeah,
Speaker 3: some festivals, when you return your recycled cups, you're given
Speaker 3: credits that you can redeem to buy more drinks.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: So people start collecting all of these cups and they
Speaker 3: have a two hundred dollars tab and they're getting wasted
Speaker 3: on this tap, which is you.
Speaker 1: Know, go out, like give you something to do between sets.
Speaker 2: From no one.
Speaker 1: You like us playing truly. I like these little tiny incentives.
Speaker 1: It's interesting your community.
Speaker 2: You're listening to flex and frooms on kater.
Speaker 3: Contrary to popular belief, I don't have a lot of
Speaker 3: experience going to the hairdresser. If I did, it was
Speaker 3: an African one. I was getting braids. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the traditional Australian hair dressing experience is like personally,
Speaker 3: but what I can tell you is every single person
Speaker 3: I know that talks about going to the hair dresser
Speaker 3: talks about leaving disappointed. The ven diagram is a circle,
Speaker 3: so tell me bye. At the start of March, there's
Speaker 3: a TikTok trend of all these Australian hairdressers showing us
Speaker 3: a live not a re enactment, but a live consultation
Speaker 3: with a client. They're sitting in a chair, the client
Speaker 3: sitting in the chair. They're standing behind them being like, okay, babe,
Speaker 3: what do we want today?
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I'm thinking that I want.
Speaker 3: To get like, you know, like a bela Hadid thing,
Speaker 3: but I want to be like sut but also like
Speaker 3: really soft and round. She's like, yep in the hair
Speaker 3: just is playing with the hair. Yeah, babe, Yeah, yep,
Speaker 3: this sounds awesome, This sounds awesome. The consultation will be
Speaker 3: about three minutes and that's what you get to see.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the video they show
Speaker 3: the person's transformation and then being so happy and a static.
Speaker 2: Right, I just want this much off boom yeah. Literally.
Speaker 3: But so what ends up happening is that these videos
Speaker 3: go viral. They're all over my for you page. They're
Speaker 3: not uncommon to see, and the comments are all really
Speaker 3: positive and being like, oh my god, I wish my
Speaker 3: hairdressing experience was like this. I wish that I had
Speaker 3: such a considerate, thoughtful what do you call it someone
Speaker 3: who listens well, good listener?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, a good listener, Are you serious? Thoughtful?
Speaker 2: A good listener? Yeah, so, a good listener.
Speaker 3: Somebody's really taking too consideration what I need and interpreting
Speaker 3: what I want as well, and I'm thinking they're bamboozling you, babe.
Speaker 3: This is an edited video of someone who's had a
Speaker 3: camera put in their face, who cannot tell the truth
Speaker 3: even if the camera wasn't in their face.
Speaker 2: And you hated your haircut, you've been like, oh cool, okay,
Speaker 2: like it. So, why do you think.
Speaker 3: With a camera in their face, they're gonna tell the
Speaker 3: truth about how they feel.
Speaker 2: They're uncomfortable either way, there's a guy just out of frame.
Speaker 3: And people always overcompensate when having to give feedback. If
Speaker 3: I eat a shit restaurant and a meal and you
Speaker 3: asked me how it was, I'm lying.
Speaker 2: You eat a ship restaurant in a meal? Is that
Speaker 2: what I said?
Speaker 3: And I said, if I eat a shit restaurant in
Speaker 3: a meal, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna tell the truth to the chef.
Speaker 1: And if the chef was recording for me, I just
Speaker 1: to do a quick thing in the stories, do you
Speaker 1: mind resharing happod be really great?
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, please, everyone, do not get bamboozled.
Speaker 2: Do not get bamboozled. What you are seeing is smoking mirrors.
Speaker 1: It's fiction.
Speaker 2: It's a fable. It's not the truth. You will go
Speaker 2: to your hairdresser.
Speaker 3: I'm hearing people are paying seven hundred, eight hundred two
Speaker 3: thousand and walking out unhappy. That's still happening on our
Speaker 3: shores seven thousand. Of course, two thousand, seven thousand never
Speaker 3: hates someone pays seven thousand. You don't know big money
Speaker 3: bears so haircut. I'm talking twenty four inch KTOP extensions,
Speaker 3: human hair babe, get it out.
Speaker 1: Feel it's still about a thousand, but anyway, a thousand
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