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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bungelung Cargoton woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of January. I'm Zara and Tom welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the pod.

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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure, Zara, good to be with you

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Speaker 3: and especially excited this morning to be talking about arts policy.

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Speaker 3: The first time since twenty thirteen, federal government has released

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Speaker 3: a national policy on the arts.

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Speaker 4: This is about our soul, this is about our identity.

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Speaker 4: It is so important because it's about who we are

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Speaker 4: and being able to express ourselves and about our quality

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Speaker 4: of life.

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Speaker 3: It's a two hundred and eighty six million dollar plan

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Speaker 3: and it includes more funding protections for First Nations art.

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Speaker 3: There's a bunch of stuff about Australian content on streaming services.

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Speaker 3: There's some stuff to do with arts workplaces. There's plenty

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Speaker 3: for us to get stuck into.

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Speaker 5: Zarah.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to our chat.

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Speaker 2: As am I and thanks for that sneak peak. But

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Speaker 2: before we get into the deep dive, let's do the headlines.

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Speaker 3: The federal government has released draft legislation for public consultation

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Speaker 3: that it says will make family laws simpler and safer.

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Speaker 3: The key change is a removal of the presumption of

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Speaker 3: equal sharing of parental time in negotiations over child custody,

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Speaker 3: which the government says was creating unnecessary confusion and leading

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Speaker 3: to protracted disputes, as well as making it harder to

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Speaker 3: ensure good outcomes where there is a risk of family violence.

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Speaker 2: Over one thousand new frontline health workers will be deployed

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Speaker 2: across Queensland over the next month. This will include eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four medical interns, which is the largest

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Speaker 2: intake of junior doctors in Queensland's history. It will also

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Speaker 2: include two hundred ambulance operatives. Queensland Premier Anastasia Paliche said

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Speaker 2: the new recruits would make a big difference in communities

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Speaker 3: The Chinese governments said it will stop recognizing degrees and

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Speaker 3: diplomas achieved through online study forcing Chinese students who have

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Speaker 3: been studying remotely at Australian universities to scramble to attend

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Speaker 3: face to face study before they graduate. In a special announcement,

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Speaker 3: the Chinese Ministry for Education said the decision was made

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Speaker 3: education fairness. It will come into effect from the upcoming

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Speaker 3: autumn semester.

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Speaker 2: And the good news Graham Arnold will continue coaching the

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Speaker 2: soccer US after he guided the team to the knockout

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Speaker 2: stages of the FIFA World Cup for the first time

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Speaker 2: since two th and six last year. Arnold said he

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Speaker 2: wants to deliver more smiles as Soccer's coach with his

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Speaker 2: new deal to run until the end of the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six Men's World Cup.

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Speaker 5: COVID had a really dramatic impact, of course people in

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Speaker 5: the music industry, with some of the first impacted and

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Clive Miller, who is the CEO of

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Speaker 2: Support Act, a charity which provides crisis relief and mental

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Speaker 2: health support to people in the music industry.

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Speaker 5: They lost a sense of community, not being able to

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Speaker 5: engage with their peers as much as they had previously done.

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Speaker 5: And I think people really suffered quite a bit. I mean, careers,

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Speaker 5: because there's a momentum that you get, particularly I think

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Speaker 5: in the music industry, which if you lose for any reason,

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Speaker 5: can be hard to regain. Of course, there are a

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Speaker 5: lot of people just left the industry. They went and

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Speaker 5: found more secure work elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: When Kaive spoke to TDA last year, his assessment of

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Speaker 2: where the music industry was at post COVID was pretty dire.

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Speaker 2: But before we get into the detail of the federal

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Speaker 2: government's new National Cultural Policy Tom, things have been pretty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not been great. And I think maybe I'll

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Speaker 3: Then you come out of that and we walked straight

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Speaker 3: into a cost of living crisis where you know, higher

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Speaker 3: people with less money to spend on things like the arts,

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Speaker 3: and so it's kind of been hit by this double

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Speaker 3: whammy now that comes to a sector that has already

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Speaker 3: been having a really terrible time over the longer term.

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Speaker 3: Arts wages are lower than the typical Australian wage, about

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Speaker 3: twenty percent lower. A lot of people in the sector have,

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Speaker 3: it's a sector that's really struggling in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I guess it's a really important topic

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Speaker 2: It is, and it's one we haven't really heard a

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Speaker 2: lot about, I feel over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Can you just talk me through what that role of

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Speaker 3: Well, governments at all levels play a role. Anyone may

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Speaker 3: be familiar with their local council putting on you know,

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Speaker 3: attracting events to states. The federal government has a heap

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Speaker 3: funding bodies. They are the Australia Council, which funds a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of different types of art, and their Screen Australia,

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Speaker 3: context that artists operate in. You know, it sets workplace laws,

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Speaker 3: funds training institutions, copyright laws, stuff, but royalties you know,

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Speaker 3: that comes under the government's purview as well. And then

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Speaker 3: finally there's a I guess the kind of general collection

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Speaker 3: and by generally making sure that the art that's commissioned,

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Speaker 3: you know, tells diverse range of Australian stories. I think

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Speaker 3: that's another important part of the government's role. So I

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Speaker 3: guess despite that significant role, it's been a decade since

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Speaker 3: the last time that we had an overarching arts policy document,

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Speaker 3: That's not to say arts have continued to be funded

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Speaker 2: The government did put on a bit of a show

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Speaker 2: What did we actually find out? What is in this

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Speaker 3: these principles, but then there's some more specifics than that.

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Speaker 3: So there are some short term announcements. Maybe I'll start

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Speaker 3: with those so firstly there are a few new national bodies,

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Speaker 3: be a First Nations led board basically within the Australia

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Speaker 3: then over the longer term, there are a number of

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Speaker 2: Can you just elaborate on that, because there are already

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Speaker 3: Have You're not been watching The Bachelor's Zarah?

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Speaker 2: It is interesting, but when I hear about these really big,

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Speaker 2: this industry. How exactly is this policy meant to directly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, you know, the

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Speaker 3: a focus as well in this strategy on you know,

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Speaker 3: the country. So there's stuff to do with pay, and

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Speaker 3: So I start with pay. Over the long term, the

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Speaker 3: government said it wants to consider whether to introduce basically

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Speaker 3: arts but in the shorter term it wants to make

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Speaker 3: at government events. So I guess the government describes that

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Speaker 3: research that was cited that found that just fifteen percent

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Speaker 3: certainly mention that again here. But there'll be some specific

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Speaker 1: The culture of arts workplaces.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this, Okay, So Tom, imagine

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Speaker 2: I am somebody that works creating stages for music festivals,

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Speaker 2: and I am listening to this podcast. I'm listening to you.

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Speaker 2: What is the one big takeaway that I should get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting question. I mean, I think whenever

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Speaker 3: there'll be individual things on this list that might make

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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister said a lot of things about how

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Speaker 4: This is about our soul, this is about our identity.

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Speaker 3: So that that talk, I'm sure will be a positive

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Speaker 3: this announcement is just a reminder of how vulnerable the

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Speaker 3: maybe I'll finish with this. The government asked two authors,

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Speaker 3: let's leave that to the artists, the makers, and the storytellers.

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Speaker 3: COVID can be a good reminder and recent years have

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Speaker 3: been a good reminder of how we can't take that

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Speaker 2: A profound note to end on, Thank you tom If

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Speaker 2: you learn something from today's episode, don't forget to hit

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Speaker 2: every weekday morning. We will be back again tomorrow, but

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Speaker 2: until then, have a brilliant day.