1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: That is so fat. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: Thank you. 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Now. This week 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: on YouTube, Sarah's Day revealed that she and Kurt had 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: had a fight. Now, this was kind of used as 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: clickbait to watch her vlog, and I clicked on it 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: very quickly because I love hearing about people arguing with 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: their partners ins and outs of people's relationships me too. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: It was quite disappointing because it turned out that they 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: were arguing over something very trivial. So do you basically 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: going to air like some real juicy fire on you. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if she often films herself quite candidly, 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: so I thought maybe they might be footage of the fight. 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Who knows. But basically what happened was Sarah was filming 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: a vlog that day and she had it in her 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: head that Kurt was going to train with her and 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: spend the day with her. However, he instead spent three 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: hours setting up a TV upstairs, and she said it 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: got to the point where he came down and you 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: know those times when you're just passive aggressive to your 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: partner because you feel like they should be a mind 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: reader and that they should have known to spend time 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: with you. So that's what she said. She said that 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: basically it was a very petty argument, but in the 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: heat of the moment and with her pregnancy hormones, she 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: was really annoyed about it. And it got me thinking, 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: when have there been times where you and your partner 33 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: have had these really petty arguments that when you tell 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: people about them, they sound so trivial and embarrassing. See, 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: I had one on Monday. I don't actually have to 36 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: think back that far. So basically, Brandon got up early 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: and I'd had a bit of a late night, so 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I just said, look, I'm just going to sleep in 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: until eight o'clock. Do you mind not bothering me? Because 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Amy and I work from home, so we didn't have 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: any early meetings. I thought, Okay, Amy doesn't want me 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: to grumpy mood or have a bit of a always 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: sleep in, like, please sleep in. I'd rather be rested anyway. 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: So Brandon said, you want to come down and have 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: a smoothe I said, no, no, I'll sleep in anyway. 46 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: Then twenty minutes later I copt this phone call saying 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm just reversing, now do you mind taking the garbage 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: bin out? And I was just like all snuggled up 49 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: in bed, and I thought, well, you're fucking outside wanting 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: you take the bin out. So this was a This 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: was a common occurrence when we shared a house. I 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: remember there were so many times when we did not 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: get our garbage taken away because you'd hear the truck 54 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: and you would like bed waiting for someone else to 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: run out. No one, Sophie, Well, I was not. I 56 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: was less than pleasant in my response back to Brandon 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: on the phone, and I begruduingly got out of bed 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and took the bin out. Well, it's annoying because we're 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: in Really, how would you say it's not a gay 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: older me in it? It's cold like it's it's like 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: three townhouses in a block, and so you have to 62 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: wheel it along this huge driveway and I was in 63 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: my pajamas. All these people driving to work. It was 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: very humiliating. You what, that just reminded me of a fight, 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: a little trivial fight I've had. And because I can't 66 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: stand being woken up in the morning if I've still got, 67 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, like an hour or so left before I 68 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: have to get up. So like Dale will get up 69 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: really really early, and I sleep with a full eye 70 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: patch on and so not I patch. Oh sorry, well 71 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: I mask anyway, and so often I need to get 72 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: up to go to the toilet. But what I try 73 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: and do is I try not wake myself up much 74 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: at all. Like I'll go to the toilet, then I'll 75 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: come back. I don't want to engage in any conversation 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: or look at my phone because I do not want 77 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: to be awake. And when he goes straight to sleep, 78 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: so Dale will talk to me, and he laughs because 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: he says, I look so cute in the morning. I 80 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: look like a little girl. And apparently sometimes I'll be like, 81 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: stop talking to me, and here's to sleep. I'm so grumpy. 82 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: That's not are so grumpy, Amy when you are woken up? 83 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: I know, he said, I'm really he said, I'm like 84 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: a sweet little girl. I'm not grumpy. God, Well, I 85 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: told a like a gremlin. I just woke up my 86 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: morning and Brandon was just staring at me. I was 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: asleep and then just burst. That is so me. See, 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: I felt like that must look so unattractive when I 89 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: go to bed because I wear a mouthguard to stop 90 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: my teeth from grinding. And I've also purchased these Seinfeld 91 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: theme pajamas that just look so dorky, like they're bright 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: blue with all these different Signfeld cartoons, and I'm like, wow, Reese, 93 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: you're really in for a treat me looking like this. 94 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: Now you've got the ring on your finger. Yeah, do 95 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: you know what? The other the other fight that, the 96 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: other trivial fight Dale and I have is over our couch. 97 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: So I've spoken before about how Dale and I have 98 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: very different tastes in furniture, and we ended up buying 99 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: this brown, fake leather couch that I totally I hate 100 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: sitting on it. Well, I just don't even like coming 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: to your house to sit on it. Well, the reason 102 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: we got it was because Dale said it would be 103 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: easier to get the cat fur off because I've got 104 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: two rag dolls that moult like he was crazy. Yeah, 105 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: I know. And it's just I just hate it. And 106 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: so anytime you have, like any small argument, I always 107 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: bring it back to the couch. I'm like, oh, well, 108 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: we have to get this couch. And I've said so 109 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: many times that I am just out of the blue 110 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: going to buy a new couch and just put this 111 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: on a Facebook marketplace. Look, I've got to share my 112 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: very trivial argument because Sophie and Amy were having me 113 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: racking my brains to think of one. Because I'm just 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: in such a perfect relationship. I'm just, oh my god, 115 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: turn it up. So there's this thing that when Reason 116 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: I go shopping together, when we're at the checkout, he'll 117 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: want to like it's kind of a competition between who 118 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: can stack. This is so embarrassing. The product is better 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: because we both think that we're right about everything, and 120 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: he just won't let me do it anymore. And I 121 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: when we used to shop together, I used to be 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: the one three of us. Why do you Why do 123 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: you care if it was me? I just stand there 124 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: and go on my phone while these stacks. Sorry, but 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: this is the saddest thing I've ever heard. I don't 126 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: even like I just literally just throw the Is that 127 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: because you need to put all the frozen stuff. Oh 128 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: my god, that it is so sad, because when so sad, 129 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: when you come home, it's easier to unpack the bag. 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: Soveral things to think. He's better at grouping all the 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: things together. And as people like I like to pride 132 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: myself for being organized, and its ships me that my 133 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: stacking is apparently not good enough. Hey, isn't your in 134 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: laws your father and your father in law who he 135 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: will read through every single thing on the receipt and 136 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: tick it off to make sure that it's in the 137 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: house And then one time there wasn't something there and 138 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: he went back and demanded. Mom said that her mom 139 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: said that her grandfather used to do that. So, yeah, 140 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: I see you turning into that Kate. That'll be it. 141 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I hope I don't get to that. Well, I want 142 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: to hear what trivial things are. The couples fight over 143 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: head to our Facebook community and tell us I'm sorry, mom, 144 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: but I've never really seen what it is you actually do. 145 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: Are It's for the p R I p are thinks. 146 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: I make the fabulous, I make the incredible, I make 147 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: the dollin delicious. Entrepreneur Mia Plastic has been granted an 148 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: exemption to grow her brand Slickstick in the US for 149 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: the next few months. She jetted into la this week, 150 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: just as the US announced unvaccinated travelers won't be able 151 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: to enter following November the eighth. Amy, before we get 152 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: into it, can you please tell listeners who Mia plastic 153 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: is well. Mia Plasick would have to be best known 154 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: for her product, the slick Stick, which she launched last year, 155 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: and it is a hairworn designed to keep baby hairs 156 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: in place that's gone off on TikTok so. Mia is 157 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, business owner, and influencer in her own right, 158 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: with over seventy six thousand followers on TikTok and over 159 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand on Instagram. So this week, Mia revealed on 160 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Instagram that after two years, she's back in America. She 161 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: said she's excited for this new chapter of her life 162 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: in the US, where she'll be living for the next 163 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: few months. She also said she has huge plans for 164 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: slick hair coat and can't wait for freedom again. I 165 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: feel like that word freedom is quite contentious considering that 166 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: Mia was based in Melbourne, and while it's so fantastic 167 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: that the restrictions are easing in Victoria. I feel like 168 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that would be a bit of a dagger in the 169 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: heart for people who are still living with restrictions. And 170 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: do you guys kind of think it references the freedom 171 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: rallies that she was attending. That is possible because, as 172 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: you say, she did share on her Instagram stories that 173 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: she was a part of those freedom rallies and she 174 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: has posted contentious messages around her alleged anti vax views. 175 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: So it is very interesting this timing, which makes me think, so, 176 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: what are the current rules in terms of traveling overseas. 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: So currently Australian citizens need to have an exemption to 178 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: travel overseas. However, to enter the US you don't need 179 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: to be fully vaccinated. However, that isn't going to be 180 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: lasting long because last week the US announced that in 181 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: a little over two weeks, new travel restrictions in the 182 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: US will only allow travelers who were fully vaccinated to 183 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: enter the country. Also, Australians will be able to travel 184 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: overseas again in November, but that is of course if 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: you are fully vaccinated. Now, it does seem very interesting 186 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: timing that Mia has planned her trip now and will 187 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: get in before any of those new laws come into play. 188 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: It is worth noting that Mia has been very outspoken 189 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: about not wanting to get vaccinated as well, So, as 190 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: you said, Sophie, the timing is very interesting. Yeah, she 191 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: did share a post saying that if Australia was to 192 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: mandate vaccinations in order to travel, that she would allegedly 193 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: seek out a fake vaccine passport, So she's obviously decided 194 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: to leave the country before she needs to do something 195 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: like that. Well, I think we do need to point 196 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: out though, even though she has shared those views online, 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: it is unclear at this stage as to whether she 198 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: actually did go ahead and get vaccinated or not. It's 199 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: interesting as well because if you take a look at 200 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: the US's Center for Disease and Control Preventions website, they 201 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: have a checklist outlining the current recommendations and requirements of 202 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: vaccinated and non vaccinated travelers. So they have this really 203 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: good spreadsheet that shows you what you're allowed to do 204 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: if you're a vaccinated traveler and what you're not allowed 205 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: to do if you're unvaccinated. So those who are unvaccinated 206 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: must get a test one to three days before traveling 207 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: into the US. They also have to get tested on 208 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: day three and five after traveling. It's also highly recommended 209 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: to self quarantine for seven days even if you do 210 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: receive a negative result, and it's also recommended that you 211 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: quarantined for ten days if you don't get a test. 212 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: It is quite interesting because it doesn't appear as though 213 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Mia has quarantined for that seven day period, because twenty 214 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: four hours after traveling, she shared a jet lag hack, 215 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: saying that she'd taken six milligrams of melatonin before bed 216 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: and she slept straight through until eight am. She then 217 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: shared herself heading out in La on a run, and 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: then later that night out at a busy restaurant. As 219 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: I said, again, it's not clear whether she is vaccinated 220 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: or un vaccinated. And those are recommendations put in place 221 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: so you don't actually have to abide by them. They're 222 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: just recommended. They are strict recommendations, but again just recommendations 223 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: to be honest. When I saw all the Instagram stories up, 224 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: I did think it was odd the timing of her leaving, 225 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: because it seemed like something that she sprung on her audience. 226 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: It's not like she showed her self packing or talked 227 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: about the process, and she's quite known for talking about 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: the process of starting her business and sharing that sort 229 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: of information about her life online. So it seemed like 230 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: quite a unplanned trip. It all seemed to happen very quickly. 231 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: But she is staying in what appears to be a 232 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: furnished apartment, so I mean, I feel like it would 233 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: be quite tricky just to get a spot like that overnight. 234 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: It was a very lavish apartment. It looked absolutely insane, 235 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: so there was this little lap pool outside. It was 236 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: interesting though, because one follower did ask underneath her post, 237 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: do you have to quarantine when you get there? And 238 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: she replied saying no, you just need to show a 239 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: negative COVID test seventy two hours before departing. The thing is, 240 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that she hasn't shared any of this online 241 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: because she's concerned about the backlash. It's better to just 242 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: share the postcout on a plane and then forget about it. 243 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: I do think because she traveled to the US and 244 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: there's it's sort of widely known that they're quite lax 245 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: with the rules, and unlike Australia, where you know you 246 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: have to hotel quarantine for fourteen days, I personally wouldn't 247 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: know what the rules were for entering the US, and 248 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: as you said before, they are only strong recommendations, so 249 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like she probably thought she could fly under 250 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: the radar with this move. That being said, if she 251 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: is over in the US for a number of months 252 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: and wants to return back home to Australia, she will 253 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: have to quarantine if she is unvaccinated, so that should 254 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: be interesting. 255 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: You're pathetic. I'm better than all of you people out there. 256 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm better than all of you. I'm bloody resigning, so 257 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: sick of it. Shove it up your ass, Margaret, I'm 258 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: resigning everyone. There's my letter of resignation, and there's some 259 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: flowers to my dead dog. Why don't you stick those 260 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: that be fatter? Fuck off everyone, I'm gone. 261 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: Eagle eyed fans have spotted Sammy Robinson and Jordan Simmy 262 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: strolling hand in hand at Bondi Beach last weekend. The 263 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: signing comes following Sammy and Jordan both revealing their single So, Kate, 264 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit more? Well, I 265 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: feel like this is the story that just keeps on giving. 266 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: As we said last weekend on the show, there was 267 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot of signaling that you know, both were talking 268 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: about the fact that they're single. Jordan's spoke in his 269 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: podcast about how he basically stuffed up some relationship and 270 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: was feeling really down about it. Then Sammy came out 271 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: with her volog saying that she's having a hot girl summer. 272 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: She's not going to be in a relationship probably for 273 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: a year. She's just going to be focusing on herself. 274 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: She then shared herself looking really good in all these bikinis, 275 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: and we joked how Jordan Simmy must be regretting his 276 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: decision to treat Sammy like shit, which is allegedly what's happened. 277 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: So we then get this absolute nugget fall into our 278 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: dms on Instagram, and funnily enough, it happened twice, so 279 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: two people sent us the same video with similar videos 280 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: of Sammy in a beautiful blue skirt and bathers walking 281 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: around Bondi hand in hand with Jordan Simmy. You wouldn't 282 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: even write about it. And this was on the weekend, 283 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: so this was like a real time thing. And we've 284 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: obviously just seen all the breakup vlogs and podcasts and 285 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: I was shocked, But then again, should I be shocked, 286 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: because this is the typical behavior of toxic relationships, and 287 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: it is confirmed because Sammy posted some photos over the 288 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: weekend and she was wearing the same outfit that she 289 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: was spotted in in the video. Can I just say 290 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I feel really awkward because everyone who listens to this 291 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: podcast not I'm a bit of a Sammy fan, and 292 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: I now feel like that friend, which is not required, 293 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: but that friend who's put their feelings out there about 294 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend. You've said that they're a bit of 295 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: a dig, and now it's in that awkward position where 296 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: they're back with the boyfriend and you're like, well, do 297 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: we act like we're cool about it? I had the 298 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: same thing happened to me at work with a work friend, 299 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: and she was talking to me about you, this awkward 300 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: thing that had happened and really divulge, and I was 301 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: trying to be give her great advice about what she 302 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: should do and how, you know, she should focus on herself, 303 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and then of course they got back together, and then 304 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: you feel really awkward to talk about it. Yeah, you're 305 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, oh that's nice. Oh I'm really 306 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,119 Speaker 1: glad that you're back together, even though I've just slagged 307 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: off your boyfriend. And then you have to go to 308 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: the awkward dinner or event with a boyfriend and makes 309 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: mine and then I feel like that person is just 310 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: completely regretting telling you anything, because I've been in that situation. 311 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: I was in a very turbulent, toxic relationship in my 312 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: early twenties that dragged on for about five years, and 313 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: we would constantly break up and get back together. And 314 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: it was such an awkward feeling telling people because you'd 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: literally bitch about them, you'd have a cry, you'd get 316 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: all confident saying no, I'm not going to go back 317 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: to them, and then literally, you know, things would change 318 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: over one text message, and then there's that awkward thing 319 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: where you don't really want to tell everyone you're back together. 320 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: And that's why I thought that Sammy really must you know, 321 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: things must have been off the fact that she did 322 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: put it in a YouTube block. Do you think maybe 323 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Jordan's podcast is what spurred Sammy on to contact him, 324 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: because he did seem really remorseful, because I wonder if 325 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: he did it as an attempt to get Sammy back. Well, 326 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: he did put up that post, remember saying I miss you, 327 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: and we said that that was like a cry for 328 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: her to contact him. I think we also have to 329 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: note they were holding hands in this video, so it's 330 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: clear it wasn't like a meetup to you know, no 331 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: discuss things. It was a very lovey dovey sort of 332 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: moment captured on video. They looked really happy together and 333 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: Sammy had a big smile in her face. Do you 334 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: think this is a case of them not realizing how 335 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: well known they actually are, because I find that there 336 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: have been a lot of odd enough couples walking around 337 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: Bondi that do get spotted and people come and tell 338 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: us about it. Do you think they think that their 339 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: YouTube life is very separate to real life and even 340 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: though they share their whole world with so many people, 341 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: that no one's really going to notice them out and about. 342 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: I think social media fame is an odd one because 343 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: majority people probably have no idea who you are, so 344 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: they probably do feel safe in that respect. It's funny 345 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: because this weekend we also got a message through saying 346 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: someone had spotted Isabel Clark and Jay out and about 347 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: in Sydney. So I'm just loving the fact that people 348 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: trust us to tell us this information. Mm, We're like 349 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: the new gossip Girl. You mad ex excels after almost 350 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: a two month hiatus, Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orville returned 351 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: to YouTube with a vlog called What I Do in 352 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: a Day with Artie vlog. The couple took a break 353 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: from the platform following outrage over their alleged anti VAX views. Kate, 354 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: please tell us about the video. Well, it went for 355 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: seventeen minutes, and as you mentioned in the intro there, 356 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: it really centered around the couple's son, Artie. I would 357 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: say ninety percent of the vlog was just Mitch filming 358 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: Artie doing cute things. And I have to say, Artie 359 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: is the cutest toddler I think I've ever seen. He 360 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: was so cheeky and very entertaining. I did enjoy when 361 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Mitch allowed him to have chocolate and then tried to 362 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: keep it a secret from Chloe. However, I do think 363 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: the decision to film a video about Artie was very 364 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: strategic because many people have said that the only reason 365 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: they continue to follow Chloe and Mitch is purely for Artie. 366 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: And I think after all this backlash they received over 367 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: their alleged anti VACS views, that they thought, wow, well, 368 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: no one can really shoot us down if we share 369 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: a video, A really cute video of us and our 370 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 1: son and show this insight into our life. And it 371 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: was a good way also of not having to address 372 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: what had gone on a couple of months ago. Yeah, 373 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that thing where if you leave 374 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: something long enough, you don't really have to acknowledge it. 375 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: I actually think it was pretty clever of them to 376 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: share that content on Artie because I was watching and 377 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: I found myself smiling. I was like, oh my gosh, 378 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: he's so cute, and you just forget about all of 379 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: the other incidents. Well, it does remind you at the 380 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: end of the day that they are just people as well. 381 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: When you do see that glimpse into people's family life, 382 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: it does humanize them. Do you guys think that this 383 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: is signaling a move with Chloe and Mitch into a 384 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: family vlogging channel, because Artie usually is in the background 385 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: of some of their vlogs, But Mitch was asking fans 386 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: whether they would prefer Mitch to kind of show his 387 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: own personal view of Arti rather than filming himself. Well, 388 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: I think Mitch has spoken about it before and he 389 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: was wanting to rename the Chloe and Mitch channel as 390 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: an oral family YouTube channel. So I definitely think it 391 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: might be a move towards more content centered around the family. 392 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: That being said, I feel like it almost makes the 393 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: whole alleged anti vax stance more awkward, though, because there 394 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: are so many important conversations that mothers want to have 395 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: about vaccinations and safeguarding your children. So I don't know. 396 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I think it makes it a little bit more awkward 397 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: if it does become a family channel. You know about that. 398 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: It's not like all YouTube families are just sitting around 399 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: talking about vaccination. So I'm not saying that, but women 400 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: look to the channels to compare what they're doing and 401 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: what others are doing, and I think that if they're 402 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: taking an anti vax stee that's not going to be 403 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: very popular. It's going to be more to be coroversial. 404 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: To be honest, though, they have really backed away from 405 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: taking a stance on it, as you said, over the 406 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: last two months, they've gone very quiet in order to 407 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: sweep it under the carpet. In terms of this family 408 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: vlogging channel, I do find it interesting thinking back to 409 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: the podcast that Mitchell did with Rycee Hawkins, and it 410 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: was before Artie was born, and they spoke a lot 411 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: about having their children's lives played out on social media 412 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: and how they felt about it, and Mitch did say 413 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: that it was something he was really thinking about whether 414 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: he wanted to do. It's quite clear that he's made 415 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: the decision to show Artie's whole life on there. So 416 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: In some more news on the Orval front, Chloe announced 417 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: on Instagram this week that her active weirline ZEP is 418 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: moving into its own creative space now. She explained that 419 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: she hates the word office because it sounds very formal, 420 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: like you're going to work, and that's not what she's 421 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: about apparently, so she prefers the term creative space as 422 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: it's more of a free flowing term. And I do 423 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if more office spaces are going to adopt 424 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: this wording, as it does change the connotation of doing 425 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: some hard work office. So you think that other officers, 426 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: because Chloe's EPP has called her office space a creative space, 427 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: are now going to adopt No, Amy, I'm trying to 428 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: be a bit funny. I'm trying to be a bit 429 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: isn't that right? Isn't that just a rebrand on the 430 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: word office. It's definitely really going to take off. So 431 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: are we going to call our office space just a 432 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: creative space. Now do you know what? The term creative 433 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: space almost makes it sound like the office is somewhat bigger. 434 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, like there's a more room, there's more space, there's, 435 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: as she said, a better flow. Is it like a 436 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: warehouse or is it just an office? We got a 437 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: little insight into what will be in this creative space. 438 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: So the upstairs area will contain a pattern making, design 439 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and production area, and it will also have a common area. 440 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: And this area set up for photo shoots, which looked 441 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: pretty cool. There weren't photos, there were just inspo shots 442 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: of what she was hoping it to look like. She 443 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: also said that there would be spaces to show off 444 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: the collection, and I did like the fact that she 445 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: actually took the time to thank her followers for making 446 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: her dream possible, because I do think a lot of 447 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: influencers don't acknowledge the fact that if they didn't have 448 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: their followers in their lives, a lot of this wouldn't 449 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: be possible. So are they going to start manufacturing the 450 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: clothes from there or is it just the pattern that 451 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: they then send on or the creative it's a creative space, 452 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: so which I'll be creative, right, okay, because I say 453 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: that'd be a pretty big space if they're manufacturing as well. 454 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: It is still a little bit unclear what the vibe 455 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: of this office space will be, but Chloe said that 456 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: as an indecisive liberal, she will need help picking out 457 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: the look and feel of the office. What do you 458 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: guys think it will be like? Well, firstly, Sophie, I 459 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: feel like it is pronounced libra, not liberal. Well, I 460 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not into astrology. But what do I 461 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: think this is going to look like? I think this 462 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a very very white off of space. 463 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: Are they be an area to put your crystals out 464 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: to charge or your I think there'll be a moonlight 465 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: like Artie has in his playroom that projects the moon 466 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: onto the ceiling. Well, that would get my creative juices, 467 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: I think, yeah. But the thing is like, I actually 468 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: think the ZEP stuff looks really cool. But they're all 469 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: very much the same. It's just different colors. So do 470 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: you think they'll be like in their theater room, a 471 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: space with lots of healthy food on display? Definitely? Do 472 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: you guys think though that you know the fact that 473 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: young people have been boycotting the ZEP brand and not 474 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: wanting to be seen having the huge ZEP logo across 475 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: themselves because they don't want to be identified as being 476 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: some sort of anti vacca. Do you think that maybe 477 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: the design team will make the logo not so obvious. Yeah, 478 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: it might be made smaller. That's a really good point. 479 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: It just made me think it is pretty ballsy of 480 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: them to move into this huge office space when there 481 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: has been a lot of criticism on the brand ZEP, 482 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: and as we've seen a lot of people selling their 483 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: ZEP gear on Facebook marketplace well. To celebrate the announcement 484 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: of the new creative space, they were offering people thirty 485 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: percent off the collection. So I wonder if that is 486 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: because they're trying to shift some of the old stocks. Yeah. 487 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they normally do sales, so that's sort 488 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: of indicates that it's not going too well. I do 489 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: think that they would have made so much money in 490 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: previous drops that they could easily afford the office space. 491 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming it's only rented. 492 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: I think it's an important issue. 493 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: Brian. 494 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: You are not paid to think. You are paid to 495 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: sit there and read what we tell you to read 496 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: that little political commentary of we always put us forty 497 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 3: seconds over time. You know what that's worth on this network, 498 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: A hell of a lot more than your bullshit of people. 499 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Brian, but I stand by board. 500 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: Has already received death threats. Sorry death threats, yes too. 501 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: I just didn't want to be seen as lightweight. Everybody 502 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: in current affairs television is a lightweight. 503 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Former bachelorette Georgia Love made headlines over the weekend after 504 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: an email she sent to colleagues was leaked to the media. 505 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: The news follows the reporters much talked about racist social 506 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: media scandal amy can you tell us? More so? Over 507 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: the weekend, The Herald's son printed his story entitled Georgia 508 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Loved shame by colleague in embarrassing leaked emails. The article 509 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: revealed Georgia had sent out an email to the seven 510 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: Melbourne newsroom. Correct grammar used in a news bulletin, so 511 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: the email read just a note on using the word surgery. 512 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be plurized. You have surgery, not 513 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: a surgery, so you don't have surgeries IE or elective 514 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: surgery is canceled. Alternatively, can use operations or procedures. Everyone 515 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: does it. It's just one of those bugbears that's incorrect 516 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: but is snuck into our language. Now. It's worth noting 517 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: that since this whole racist Insta story scandal, Georgia was 518 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: taken off reporting duties and she's been placed on the 519 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: production desk, and having previously worked in a newsroom, this 520 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: type of email from somebody on the production desk is 521 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: so common, and I must say it's one of the 522 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: more polite emails I've read about a grammatical error. So 523 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: I was really surprised when I saw this email in 524 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: a newspaper article. That's the thing. I remember slugging it 525 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: out some days, and you'd be so proud of the 526 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: story you reported on, and then I'd coppered text message 527 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: from our boss saying, oh, you pronounced kill me to incorrectly. 528 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: It's kilometer or you know, just nitpicking on grammar. But 529 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: that's what the news is about. You've got to get 530 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: it right. And as you said, Amy, I personally didn't 531 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: think that the tone of this email was rude at all. 532 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: It was pretty standard. Yeah, there's currently a discussion going 533 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: on in our Facebook community, and I was surprised to 534 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: see how angry people were and how rude that they 535 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: thought it was. And I do think it's this misunderstanding 536 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: of what the journalism world is like. I mean, I 537 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: remember being at UNI and it being constantly drilled into 538 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: you that if you do apply for a job, to 539 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: make sure that you spell the person's name right, because 540 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: many officers will just throw your resume in the bin 541 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: if you have any sort of errors on it. The 542 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: thing is, though, I think the journalist who wrote the piece, 543 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: her name's Alice Costa. I feel like she wrote this 544 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: piece very one sided, so it was very much against 545 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: Georgia Love because, for example, she referred to George's email 546 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: as a grammar sledge when personally, as I said, I 547 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a standard email that lots 548 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: of production staff would send out two reporters. And you 549 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: know what, for me, it's worse that someone in the 550 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: newsroom has screenshotted it and leaked it to the media, 551 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: considering that everyone is very well aware that Georgia's Love's 552 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: personal brand has taken a big hit from that racist 553 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: Instagram post, and it's almost kicking someone when they're down, 554 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: So everyone's like, oh, Georgia Love's being so bitchy, but 555 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: it's like, hang on, isn't the staff member who sent 556 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: it to the media being ultra horrible? Yeah, And on 557 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: that note about the email being leaked, I do feel 558 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: really sorry because there were two reporters from the Melbourne 559 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: newsroom who were mentioned. One of those was Malina Sarus, 560 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: who does read the weekend weather, and the other one 561 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: was Nathan Templeton. So the Herald Sun journalist wrote in 562 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: the article that Georgia Love had fired off this email 563 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: after a bulletin which was read by well respected reporter 564 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: Melina Sarrus. The Herald's on journalists also reported that Alena 565 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: Cyrus was not following Georgia Love anymore on Instagram, so 566 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: she was almost implying that the two are not friends 567 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: and that there's beef there. So I feel like a 568 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of people would have been led to believe that 569 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: maybe Malina Cyrus had something to do with this email link, 570 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: which I one hundred percent I do not think Malina 571 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: had anything to do with it. See, I really did 572 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: think that by continuously mentioning Melina that there was a 573 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: link there, and you know, reading between the lines, it 574 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: was clear that she had sent an email in which 575 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: you were saying you believe is incorrect and you're not 576 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: going to be that stupid. Yeah, And it's like, do 577 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: you think this was the case of the actual person 578 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: who sent it in trying to further hide their identity 579 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: by framing someone else. Yeah, it's interesting because it wasn't 580 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: only George's email that was leaked. It was also an 581 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: email by Nathan Templeton, and he was described in the 582 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: article as much love, senior reporter and all round great guy. 583 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: So apparently he shot back at George's email. According to them, 584 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: he said, Hi, friends, just a note to say this 585 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: note is not helpful or reasonable. Please carry on your 586 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: great work and forget about it. You're all doing a 587 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: great job under difficult circumstances. Keep it going. We love you, Kiss, 588 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: kiss Kiss. After hearing Nathan's email, I'm led to assume 589 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: that there was a lot going on the day of 590 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: that bulletin, and maybe that's why he's shot out this 591 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: email back at Georgia Love, because he thinks it was 592 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: a little bit unfair to criticize those staff members. This 593 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: was quite ironic, though. I feel like Georgia and Molina 594 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: have been pitted against each other in the story despite 595 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: the fact that it's Nathan who shot back at Georgia 596 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: or isn't it just a typical Well, isn't that just 597 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: a typical thing that the media does a pit women 598 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: against each other. In terms of this whole debarcle, you know, 599 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: we've seen that Georgia Love has been penalized for her 600 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: racist post and she's been taken off her reporting duties 601 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: and put into production and won't isn't leaving the office. 602 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: What is the consequence for the person that has brought 603 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: Channel seven into disrepute and shared these emails because clearly 604 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: this looks like there is a lot of infighting and 605 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: competitiveness going on at the station and it's not a 606 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: good look for the channel. Yeah. Well, I suppose it's 607 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: very hard for them to prove who actually has leaked 608 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: this email because it was sent around to everybody at 609 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: seven Melbourne, which is a lot of people. The interesting 610 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: thing is, Kate, you mentioned how Georgia Love is on 611 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the production desk. Well, the Herald Son has reported that 612 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: she's going to be returning to reporting dudies or on 613 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: air duties over summer. So it makes me wonder has 614 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: the person who sent this email are they a bit 615 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: annoyed by this, and they're trying to bring it down 616 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: because I'm assuming that there is a lot of rivalry 617 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: in the newsroom. Well, that being said, it could have 618 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: been someone from a different newsroom because a lot of 619 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: the journals are friends with other reporters there. Anyone could 620 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: have had a quick, sneaky screenshot of an email and 621 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: sent it off. Well, going back to your original point, Amy, 622 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: I do think that you could uncover who has sent 623 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: out this email because in the journalism world, everyone's connected. Yeah. Yea, 624 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: the Herald Son's not going to give up their source 625 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and say, oh, by the way, so and so lead 626 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: this email. Yeah, and this isn't the first email that's 627 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: been leaked. Remember, someone also leaked the original email that 628 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: Georgie is sent out to the staff, but sher Channel 629 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: seven not lodge an investigation into how this email got 630 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, because it's quite clear that someone has 631 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: a problem with Georgia and thinks that because she has 632 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: copped so much flak in the media, that this is 633 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: a good time to continue to pile on her and 634 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 1: create this case against her. Well, I think that's all 635 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: we've got time for today. 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