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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Carnifford,
Speaker 1: who was the second eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race
Speaker 1: down Under. I always feel for.
Speaker 2: The queens that go home early, as.
Speaker 1: There is so much preparation and excitement in the lead
Speaker 1: up to doing these sorts of reality shows. I could
Speaker 1: hear today when I was talking to cantor Afford that
Speaker 1: she wasn't ready to leave the competition, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of wondering if you will pick up on that too.
Speaker 1: Cartifford will share that she applied for the previous series
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the reasons why it felt like
Speaker 1: it was her destiny to be held off until this year.
Speaker 1: We will unpack the snatch game and how the groups
Speaker 1: were split into two, then find out if the two
Speaker 1: different sets of queens were actually allowed to watch each
Speaker 1: other face off against Michelle Visage. I will discuss the
Speaker 1: critiques on the runway and find out how much of
Speaker 1: the queens can actually hear from the judges as they
Speaker 1: are going up and down the catwalk. You will get
Speaker 1: everything from what Cantorford's bank balance looks like at this
Speaker 1: point after competing in the competition, who their favorite Snatch
Speaker 1: game performer was, and we will of course talk about
Speaker 1: there being three queens in the bottom. There is so
Speaker 1: much to discuss, with so many inside revelations, So guys,
Speaker 1: sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world
Speaker 1: of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under season four.
Speaker 2: Are you all right done so well? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm good, Like I'm can I just say I'm really
Speaker 1: feeling this season of RuPaul's Drag Race. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's coming into its own Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: this show now sort of feels like it has its
Speaker 1: own flavor and it knows what it's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that us season four girls had something to prove.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I love all of the other contestants
Speaker 3: from the first three seasons, but I.
Speaker 2: Don't think we were getting the love that we deserved.
Speaker 3: Us coming into season four, I personally was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we need something to prove. We need all of the
Speaker 3: world to like appreciate the drag that is here done
Speaker 3: Under like that is finally happening, which is good.
Speaker 1: I feel like the expectation or the understanding of what
Speaker 1: it is has really come along, so it's like, you
Speaker 1: know what you're tuning in for. And then the quality
Speaker 1: of queens this year overall from a viewer's perspective, just
Speaker 1: feels like it's leveled up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I think me personally, coming onto this season,
Speaker 3: I didn't expect the queens to be this talented, So
Speaker 3: I think from the get go I was definitely like
Speaker 3: taking aback with how talented these girls were.
Speaker 1: You were looking for some Season three queens say it,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this audition process, which
Speaker 1: there something that you felt like you did the cut
Speaker 1: through made you stand out above maybe the other queens
Speaker 1: that were applying.
Speaker 3: I think it wasn't necessarily like something that I did
Speaker 3: in the audition tape, but I think it was more
Speaker 3: of like all the experiences opportunities that I got that
Speaker 3: I got to tell in my audition tape that really
Speaker 3: pushed me over Because I did audition for season three
Speaker 3: and I was like so set on being on season three,
Speaker 3: but I obviously didn't make it on. But I think
Speaker 3: that because I didn't get on. I got all of
Speaker 3: these other opportunities while the girls were filming away, So
Speaker 3: if I had gone on, I wouldn't gone these opportunities.
Speaker 3: You think that all the opportunities that I got were
Speaker 3: like baby steps to make it onto season four.
Speaker 1: It always feels like right time, right place for me,
Speaker 1: Like maybe I needed to go and gather more stories
Speaker 1: to be there. Is that how you felt?
Speaker 3: That's exactly like exactly what I was thinking, Like they
Speaker 3: just like right time, right place.
Speaker 2: Everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: There was like all these things that I did, Like
Speaker 3: I was on a I was in Jess Give Outbay
Speaker 3: his music video before I got on, And I also
Speaker 3: did this competition, a drug competition which I won where
Speaker 3: I won like ten thousand dollars. Like all of these
Speaker 3: things that I did after not getting on the first
Speaker 3: time like helped me get on the next time. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely a right time, right place kind of moment
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: You know, I actually had my makeup done once. I'm
Speaker 1: not a drag queen, but I was going to the
Speaker 1: Arias and Channel I organized for me to have my
Speaker 1: makeup done and I got to have my makeup done
Speaker 1: next to Jessica Melboy. How divine is that?
Speaker 2: So much? She's incredible, one of the sweetest people in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there and her brother was there as well,
Speaker 1: so like I got to meet some of the family
Speaker 1: and I just remember walking away from that whole experience
Speaker 1: and thinking, man, Jessica Melboy is not only really talented,
Speaker 1: but she's really sweet.
Speaker 2: Literally, is that an influence?
Speaker 1: Like do you have have you picked up influences along
Speaker 1: the way? Like for me, if I watched TV shows,
Speaker 1: I find that I start being those people. But then
Speaker 1: I actually realized that it's actually a kind of a
Speaker 1: compliment to the people that I've met along the way,
Speaker 1: because I borrow things from them.
Speaker 3: I do say that she leads her whole life with
Speaker 3: like love, and you can see that in her, so
Speaker 3: I guess I would say that doing that is probably
Speaker 3: something that I would take away from home.
Speaker 1: I think this is a question you're going to get
Speaker 1: a lot today, and that is that you found yourself
Speaker 1: in the bottom two in week one, and I want
Speaker 1: to know whether or not you thought you were going
Speaker 1: to go home, Like what was your interpretation of that?
Speaker 1: Do you think think that if there had to be
Speaker 1: a cut that it would have been you for.
Speaker 3: Me personally, the both times that I was on the bottom,
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was going to be in the bottom.
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of glad that I was in the
Speaker 3: bottom because the lip sync song that we got rushed
Speaker 3: was like a song that has a little bit of
Speaker 3: sentimental value to me. So to be able to perform
Speaker 3: that song in the Demigogan costume, like in the moment,
Speaker 3: it was obviously traumatic for me, but like, after processing
Speaker 3: what I've done with this show, I'm kind of glad
Speaker 3: that it happened because now it's turned into a bit
Speaker 3: of iconic moment.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm glad that it.
Speaker 3: Was a double save for us both because as soon
Speaker 3: as I heard this Sinner's name first, like my heart
Speaker 3: sank and I felt my like world was turned upside
Speaker 3: down just for that split second.
Speaker 1: So the Snatch Game. Everyone talks about the Snatch Game.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves the Snatch Game. Is that a lot of pressure,
Speaker 1: because I think because it's so iconic and it is
Speaker 1: in every series, is that the most that you get
Speaker 1: inside your head because it's so because the pressure is
Speaker 1: so strong.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's exactly that.
Speaker 3: You're obviously like the Snatch game itself, like you have
Speaker 3: to think about all the things you have to do,
Speaker 3: like you have to answer a question while being in
Speaker 3: a character and then having to volley off the other
Speaker 3: girls and Michelle. It's just like a lot to think about,
Speaker 3: and it's hard to almost like live in the moment
Speaker 3: a bit because you kind of like you're like doing
Speaker 3: all these things all at once. So like for me personally,
Speaker 3: it's like I did overthink about it too much, and
Speaker 3: so I think that was like a bit of my
Speaker 3: downfall for Snatch Game.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not you realized it, but
Speaker 1: they kept kind of played you as one note with
Speaker 1: just your catchphrase with Eddie Murphy. Did you fear that
Speaker 1: that's what was going to happen? Did you fear that
Speaker 1: that's all you prepared and that's all you gave, or
Speaker 1: what happened with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what happens.
Speaker 3: When I kind of like lost my train of thought,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, just go back to the how
Speaker 3: you doing, which is like.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good, don't get me wrong, I mean
Speaker 1: it was good. Like every time you said it, I
Speaker 1: was like, because I grew up with Eddie Murphy and
Speaker 1: I grew up with the Natti Professor, so like, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is good, but I was like, because
Speaker 1: they broke the teams into two and there was seemingly
Speaker 1: less screen time for everybody, it kind of felt like
Speaker 1: that's all you'd prepared, And I wanted to ask you today,
Speaker 1: did you have more than that?
Speaker 3: Like this character that I've done for Snatch Game was
Speaker 3: like a character that I always used to pretend to
Speaker 3: be growing up, Like me and my family always used
Speaker 3: to watch the movie, and me and my cousins would
Speaker 3: always pretend to be that character. And even with my
Speaker 3: friends now, like I pretend to be the character, and
Speaker 3: I would like just even make myself like pissed, laughing,
Speaker 3: like doing it so like I couldn't see myself doing
Speaker 3: anyone else. But in terms of I think that's the problem.
Speaker 3: Was that, like, like you need to prefer I think
Speaker 3: you need to prepare more for Snatch Game because I
Speaker 3: didn't do. I mean, I prepared myself, but I didn't
Speaker 3: prepare myself enough.
Speaker 1: I guess, did you think that there could be something else?
Speaker 1: Like did you have something else in your back pocket?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I thought I was confident in my character enough I
Speaker 3: could just like be the character. I didn't prepare another
Speaker 3: character unfortunately.
Speaker 1: You know what was really strange to me was about
Speaker 1: the Missus Claws scenario. Like I could understand Tuma Donald's,
Speaker 1: I would understand three Kylie's, maybe five Kylakus, but missus
Speaker 1: Claus it seemed like a really odd thing for two
Speaker 1: people to pick at the same time. Do you think
Speaker 1: that there's any chance that they were set up to
Speaker 1: bring those two things?
Speaker 3: What I heard from the girls, like it was honestly
Speaker 3: like both their first choices, so like, it kind of
Speaker 3: did blow my mind to see that there were two
Speaker 3: Missus Clauses because it's such a niche character. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just crazy how those two were first, How those
Speaker 3: two their same character?
Speaker 2: For sure?
Speaker 1: Were you able to see each other's because there's two rounds,
Speaker 1: like you know, there's two sets of queens. Were you
Speaker 1: able to watch the other queens do their snatch game?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, which was like really good. Once we
Speaker 3: finished our Goie Sudden a Little Room, we actually got
Speaker 3: to watch all of the queens do that snash game,
Speaker 3: which is really good. I got glad I got to
Speaker 3: watch it.
Speaker 1: Did you have a favorite?
Speaker 3: I definitely think that Brenda's character was incredible, Like me
Speaker 3: and the other girls were just pissing ourselves laughing at
Speaker 3: all the things that she was doing.
Speaker 2: So that Brenda did really well for sure.
Speaker 1: What advice would you give to people going into snatch
Speaker 1: game now that you've done it.
Speaker 3: I think advice from my own experience would probably just
Speaker 3: be like, don't overthink it, just be more confident in
Speaker 3: your character.
Speaker 1: I think by nature, can I just say this? By nature,
Speaker 1: you are sort of softly presented, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's who you are, and I think in some ways
Speaker 1: people might misread that as being maybe not as strong.
Speaker 3: And I'm definitely more softly spoken in situations like this.
Speaker 3: I think I exerte all of my confidence and energy
Speaker 3: into my performance. Yeah, I would say that you're right
Speaker 3: in that I'm a lot more like selfly spoken.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this competition, in particular Rupoul's
Speaker 1: drag race, makes you face your demons, and we got
Speaker 1: to see that with Max. You know, it was really
Speaker 1: interesting watching Max have that breakdown, but they did allude
Speaker 1: to there being more to that.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize what was happening with Max until like
Speaker 3: the day of so it was kind of like it
Speaker 3: was very sad to see what happened with her. Obviously
Speaker 3: she had a moment with Vibe and they were talking,
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to interfere because like, obviously she
Speaker 3: was feeling some sort of way, and then hearing that
Speaker 3: it was because of her mother, like just like like
Speaker 3: on stage as well, Like it was like a bit
Speaker 3: of a shocking moment for me.
Speaker 1: Definitely, this is going to sound really savage, but that
Speaker 1: particular storyline was quite compelling and it was quite emotional
Speaker 1: as a viewer. But I also wondered whether or not
Speaker 1: it actually helped her get through the competition to the
Speaker 1: next stage. Do you think that had Max not have
Speaker 1: had that emotional moment and that sort of storyline, that
Speaker 1: maybe Max could have gone home.
Speaker 3: I think that having that happening to her and like
Speaker 3: the feelings that she was feeling, yeah, I could have
Speaker 3: definitely helped her.
Speaker 2: But I think I also like the.
Speaker 3: Like emotions that she probably was feeling, probably like is
Speaker 3: what made her kick her ass to like fighting that
Speaker 3: lip synco I guess as well.
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. I mean, emotions play into these
Speaker 1: sorts of things and you can't help it. And I
Speaker 1: certainly don't think that she put that on to save herself.
Speaker 1: But I do think the more stripped back you can be,
Speaker 1: and the more raw you can be on and vulnerable,
Speaker 1: I think the more people can.
Speaker 2: Connect to you get that.
Speaker 1: Reyes Nicholson said something really weird. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: read it out. Don't worry, be happy, you know, which
Speaker 1: was like one of your critiques. When you're on the runway,
Speaker 1: can you hear the critiques that's been said by the judges.
Speaker 1: Could you hear what they were saying?
Speaker 2: You definitely can hear what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Like when I did the Runway the week before, like
Speaker 3: the shit genius, because I was wearing like long black
Speaker 3: latex gloves, it kind of looked like I was wearing
Speaker 3: fisting gloves and so like Michelle says a joke about
Speaker 3: fisting and so like, at the end of my runway,
Speaker 3: pretend that I'm like fisting someone.
Speaker 1: The lip sync with three people gave me afters vibes.
Speaker 1: You know where you have the kick.
Speaker 2: Ons, I do know what you mean.
Speaker 1: Someone's house after you've been out of the club and
Speaker 1: then everyone's like, you know, they feel themselves they've overserved
Speaker 1: and everyone loves a bit of attention, And I was
Speaker 1: watching the three and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if three people work on.
Speaker 3: A show like this, It's definitely something that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing about this show is that you've
Speaker 3: got to expect the unexpected.
Speaker 1: Did you feel in the moment while you're dancing who's
Speaker 1: going to go home? Like? Were you? Like? Because I
Speaker 1: should just think about this all the time on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm always like I would just push someone out of
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, maybe that's just something about me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'd be watching what the other people are doing.
Speaker 1: What was it like in the moment to be dancing
Speaker 1: up against two other people.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Like, wasn't paying attention to them? Like I was
Speaker 3: obviously like had my bearings of like where they were.
Speaker 3: I felt like I gave my everything.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were going home. Spoiler alert for people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm allowed to leave this in,
Speaker 1: but you know, I watched the episodes without seeing who
Speaker 1: goes home, So when I watched the episode, I was unsure,
Speaker 1: and then when I heard it was you, I was
Speaker 1: quite surprised. So, look, I thought you did a very
Speaker 1: good job. When it came to the lip syncing.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought that I gave my all this well,
Speaker 3: but I guess that I'm the judge and going to
Speaker 3: leave it up to them.
Speaker 1: Well, I always finished my podcast with and this is
Speaker 1: like I think this is episode five hundred, so thank
Speaker 1: you kind of forward. So it's a milestone for me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that's where it is. But look, I'll
Speaker 1: have to ask the people at iHeartRadio, but I always
Speaker 1: ask what is something from behind the scenes, And I
Speaker 1: understand with World of Wonder that we really can't peel
Speaker 1: back too much and really reveal too much of the
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race secrets. So I kind of thought of
Speaker 1: asking you a particular question, and that is how much
Speaker 1: money did you spend on your around fix preparing for
Speaker 1: Rubels Drag Race.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said before, I won that competition right
Speaker 3: before I got on, which was like ten thousand dollars
Speaker 3: catty much like used most of that and even a
Speaker 3: bit more than what I had, like I had to
Speaker 3: pay people back when I got back. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: was probably I would probably say around eleven twelve. It
Speaker 3: was like my eleven twelve thousand was like my price
Speaker 3: of my package.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it was destiny though, right, because that
Speaker 1: money was kind of not yours. It was one. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it is yours, but I mean I always
Speaker 1: think with competition money, it's like you know, winning on
Speaker 1: the the casino, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you don't treat that money the same way that you
Speaker 1: do with the money that you earn. So you kind
Speaker 1: of go, well, this is a gift and now I'm
Speaker 1: going to put it back into the universe and you
Speaker 1: can afford it.
Speaker 2: I cannot. Well, I did not right now.
Speaker 1: Not anymore countless scruples, you know. I just I really
Speaker 1: feel your warmth and your integrity, and I think you've
Speaker 1: done such a fantastic job on this show and you
Speaker 1: should be really proud. So I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what you do with your whole Rugirl experience, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very short list of people that get to
Speaker 1: do this show, and what an amazing achievement to get picked.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's very kind of you to say
Speaker 3: that there's a pleasure meeting you as well, and you've
Speaker 3: been very kind and I'm very glad that I got
Speaker 3: to talk to you too,