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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: We never would really talk in real life unless where

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Speaker 1: Thank you there, Paul. Welcome to the Gordon and Paul Program.

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Speaker 1: This is especially for our listeners like Daniel, who likes

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I'm just going to come out

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Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, Emperor, Yes, sir, emperor' ze. No worries, okay,

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Speaker 3: All fell down the stairs.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about it?

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Speaker 3: I just don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I guess, bitchy little thing. Aren't anyone else out there?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? Look, I know it's early days. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: Yes, go pick up the car and like you go,

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Speaker 2: We've prepared your review for you.

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Speaker 1: it's one to put on your list. They're doing exactly

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Speaker 1: You can book a test drive. They're out there right now.

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Speaker 1: What's that? Maybe I'll try Maybe you'll give it a go.

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Speaker 1: down as well. They have lovely showrooms in Darlinghurst. Good So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Is j senda kai kum?

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Speaker 3: Actually?

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Speaker 3: I love that?

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Speaker 1: That's actually great, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Can News?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So do we just start this episode with a car?

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Speaker 1: It did?

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Speaker 3: Okay, because you were so eager to get into that,

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Speaker 1: So you know what else I'm eager to get in?

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Speaker 1: You're made?

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Speaker 2: How she doing that will have no context?

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Speaker 3: Do you listen to the next episode?

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Speaker 1: All right? Can News Ranger raptor they have what's the

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Speaker 1: term overcook the sausage?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's a delicious sausage and one that I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get just that bit of audio. Can

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Speaker 2: But it's a delicious sausage and one that I'm lining up.

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Speaker 1: For right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is.

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Speaker 1: Paul's also available for adult parties and phone chats for

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Speaker 2: But it's a delicious sausage and one that I'm lining

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Speaker 3: I'm right at the front of the queue of the

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Speaker 2: So there have been over four thousand orders for a

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Speaker 2: That is incredible that they've sold over four thousand of

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Speaker 1: So I think what's happened is there's certainly with the

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Speaker 3: Did THEYD people give you these? Because I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: Can you see two versions of me? Excellent? They're kicking in.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, some dealers have been caught charging up to

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What am I asking? Basically, maybe try and hit up

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Speaker 2: You are diluting your brand so badly by these dealers

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, look at there is. You know, dealers are

444
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: making record amounts of money because what's happening now is, yes,

445
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 2: you're doing less volume, but you're not entertaining any haggling.

446
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: So when someone comes in, if they don't pay the

447
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 2: sticker price plus you're inflated dealer delivery cost, you just

448
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: send it to the next guy and away you go.

449
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 1: So they won't even get off the bloody chair. They'll

450
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: just kick back. Yeah.

451
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: So I think that ultimately we, you know, customers need

452
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: to really be clever with with how they're dealing with

453
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Speaker 2: these people and just make sure that you're not getting

454
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Speaker 2: ripped off. And if it does mean joining the back

455
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Speaker 2: of the queue again, you just got to do it

456
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: because you can't justify paying six grand for dealer delivery

457
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 2: on something that's just so artificially inflated.

458
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Speaker 1: Huge, Right, we should talk about the BMW wagon or

459
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Speaker 1: the Estate car because I love a BMW wagon. I

460
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Speaker 1: love a wagon, I love a wagon car.

461
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Wagons I think are amazing. And

462
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: the BMWN three Touring is basically a wagon version of

463
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Speaker 2: the new M three hasn't been fully revealed at the

464
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Speaker 2: time of this recording, but it has just set a

465
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Speaker 2: time of seven minutes thirty five, which, to put it

466
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Speaker 2: into context, is seconds quicker than the last record wagon,

467
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Speaker 2: which was the E sixty.

468
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Speaker 1: Three, which is do we sort of say, what truck

469
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Speaker 1: that was on at.

470
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: The Nurburg Green so and the E sixty three is

471
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Speaker 2: a twin turbo V eight, you know, I just think

472
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's incredible and had to put that into

473
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Speaker 2: context as well. It's fifteen seconds slower than the M

474
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Speaker 2: four CSL, which wow, just blows me away. So I

475
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: think that this is this is really cool stuff. And yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: I'm just excited for it. I think it'll be awesome.

477
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Speaker 1: When you think about iconic wagon cars, I go BMW

478
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Speaker 1: and Audi.

479
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so RS six is I think the most iconic

480
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: wagon out there. Yeah, the current one twin turbo V eight.

481
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Speaker 2: They did a V ten version of the RS six.

482
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Speaker 3: I think that was just in the sedan.

483
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Speaker 2: I don't think they did a wagon V ten, but yeah,

484
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Speaker 2: there's they are just such cool cars. And I don't know,

485
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Speaker 2: I just wish that I wish that we would see

486
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Speaker 2: more wagons, but with people going down the path of

487
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Speaker 2: SUVs and all that sort of stuff, there really is

488
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Speaker 2: no you know, no point no vega. They did do

489
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Speaker 2: a wagon R six with a V ten so cool.

490
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Speaker 3: Love.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever have a wagon commodore, commodo wagon? No, M,

492
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Speaker 1: I can see you in one of those we a

493
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Speaker 1: camera or wagon?

494
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Speaker 3: Did you?

495
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

496
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Speaker 3: Not as cool?

497
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Speaker 1: What sort of like you'd be like flat top, arm

498
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Speaker 1: out the window, pimply looking face. What sort of music

499
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Speaker 1: were you listening to? Was it some sort of techno?

500
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: Was it some sort of like European deep sort of

501
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: Croatian techno?

502
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it. I think it's called turbo bass

503
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: in like Croatian music.

504
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: I've been to Croatian clubs before. It's like that, but

505
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Speaker 1: it's an interesting experience, very interesting experience, work up with

506
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Speaker 1: a lot of vasoline.

507
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Speaker 3: On my ass.

508
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on quite casually, let's talk about these two

509
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: random cars that we just spotted.

510
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so the first one is the City. I

511
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Speaker 1: don't even know this is, Yeah, Toyota have dropped it.

512
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is the name of it.

513
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Speaker 1: I guess they call it. It's like an off road

514
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: concept ev they I think they call it the compact Cruiser.

515
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: Ev I hope that's a floating name, because God, that

516
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Speaker 1: would be embarrassing to say.

517
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Speaker 2: It's like an FJ cruiser kind of thing.

518
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Speaker 1: Compact, a little bit at the air and maybe at

519
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Speaker 1: the front up the back. Whose ever job it was

520
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: to kind of do the back of this car obviously

521
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: knew he was going to be leaving in two weeks

522
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: time and just mentally checked out because everything about this

523
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: car is great until you get to the ass A

524
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Speaker 1: bit like my ex what was his name again, Steven.

525
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Speaker 2: This will be fully electric, which kind of bucks the

526
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Speaker 2: trend of I.

527
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Speaker 1: Think that's what we said at the start of this

528
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Speaker 1: piece was it's going to be an v piece of insight.

529
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Speaker 2: It's bucking the trend of Toyota, which is famously not

530
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: really interested in EV's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

532
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing with off Roader EV's probably

533
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: still needs a bit of work, because the last thing

534
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: you want to do is run out of.

535
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: Electricity in the middle of literally nowhere.

536
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, a normal car where you

537
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: can just get a jerry can and someone can run

538
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: something up to you. Yeah, an ev running out of

539
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: power in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of a

540
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Speaker 2: slightly different story.

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Speaker 1: The way they're marketing this is very much an outdoorsy

542
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: monster energy drink sort of. They've got snowboards on the roof,

543
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: They've got they've got a surfboard on one photo like,

544
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: take it down the beach, drive it on the beach.

545
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: It's sort of I think it looks cool, yeah, but

546
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: got that back looks shit. Do you know what I'm

547
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: loving about EV's is the wheels. I love how they're doing.

548
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: The flat sort of oh, the sort of arrow Yeah,

549
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: the air sort of design.

550
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy to think that that sort of design,

551
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: that aero design, that we're seeing in EV's is just

552
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: the start of it all.

553
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to get even more. Yeah, I mean

554
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: we're seeing from who is it, Michel and the Tubelus.

555
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: Tires EV tires.

556
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: No, but Tubelus like they don't they don't have any

557
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: air in them. Oh, have little ridges to support it.

558
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: And it means that you can drive off road and

559
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: not worry about getting a rock through the sidewalk.

560
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea.

561
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they'll be interesting for off road driving and

562
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: just I guess evs in general. The other one that

563
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: we spotted as well was the the Citron my Amy buggy.

564
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna say the citron Anus. It's Citron my Anus.

565
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fifteen brand. They're only building fifty of them,

566
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: and it's it runs on just the tiniest little electric

567
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: motor and battery, so six kilots of power.

568
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: It looks like the kind of car you'd get. It

569
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: runs on Paul sense of self satisfaction.

570
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Top speed of forty five kilometers an hour and a

571
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: range of seventy five kilometers, so it's like a little

572
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: city buggy.

573
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: Fifteen grand. It's so cheap. I'd love to own one

574
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: of these, just for fun.

575
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I feel like it's something a posty would get.

576
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually not a bad idea for a posty.

577
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: So it looks like it accommodates two people, but the

578
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: looks of it maybe yeah, two people or something.

579
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: So it's fascinating.

580
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: So if you head to car expert dot com today

581
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: you can see a picture of the Amy.

582
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: The Poor Myynus car. Or you could also go to

583
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: our own socials if you like, I'll put a picture

584
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: up there. Could I'll make it look pretty in canvas?

585
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

586
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, is that a do we just do an episode?

587
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: That was a fun show, that was a fast one,

588
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: that was a mini At least fifty percent of that

589
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: wasn't paid for. That was that was a fun size

590
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: EPP A lot like the contents of Paul's Pants.

591
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

592
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: So contact at the Drive show dot com today you

593
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: get in touch with us if you want to hear

594
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: more about anything. Do you want to see me review

595
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: the byd.

596
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: At Ho three, Yes, yes I do. I want to

597
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: be there with you just so you don't say anything sus.

598
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that's it. Yeah, repeat that again, just.

599
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: With a gun to my head. I think you said

600
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: that wrong. Yes, but I am looking forward to driving

601
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: it in all honesty, but yeah, we're keen for your feedback.

602
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: Are you in.

603
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: Support of much cheaper evs like the ATO three? Do

604
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: you think that evs are okay in terms of their

605
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: pricing at the moment? Contact at the drive show, dot

606
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: com today or social media?

607
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Where do you think we are? Do you think we're

608
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: in a pretty good place right now with EV's Yeah?

609
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: Good ish, good ish?

610
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

611
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean they're expensive.

612
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: The most popular one starts at sixty grand, and I

613
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: think that's still expensive for most people. So they do

614
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: need to be cheaper, but I think the tech is developing,

615
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: and I think until the tech is developed, they are

616
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: going to be slightly more expensive.

617
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: You were, I would consider you a long time EV

618
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: owner out because yes, we've had one for one or

619
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: two years yep, and you've sold it. But you would

620
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: have known about that car when it was coming, and

621
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: what excited you when you saw Tesla on the horizon, I.

622
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: Don't know, just because you're a bit of a tech head,

623
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: yeah I am. It's more just the tech that I'm

624
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: interested in. I just find it great that I have

625
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: an app that I can do everything on and not

626
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: necessarily have to go fill up fuel and stuff like that.

627
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: So that's all handy, but I'm not phased either way.

628
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: Didn't go down the path of the evs. We wouldn't

629
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: bother me all that much. But it's I just find

630
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: them interesting. Yeah, because I'm an engineer. I find the

631
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: sort of tech fascinating.

632
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's not fascinating, you know what is interesting? Though,

633
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: you're made.

634
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: We could talk about her to call me bad, all right.

635
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Cool, that'll do. That'll do?

636
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: Is that all right for that that episode?

637
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got enough in there. We've got a review,

638
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: we've got some news.

639
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and leave us are rating please.

640
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Oh we're still on. I checked out, I've got my keys,

641
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: My byd is waiting downstairs. I gotta go.

642
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: Yes, please leave us a rating on whichever platform you're

643
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: listening to this because it will help us grow.

644
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Leave us are rating and a comment is always nice.

645
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: I don't read them, but Paul relays them. I'm pretty

646
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Speaker 1: sure that he just leave a rating.